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Categories for discussion (Cfd) is where deletion, merging, and renaming of categories (pages in the Category namespace) is discussed. Categories are used to organize other pages and aid browsing of related articles. See How to use this page for the official rules of this page, guidelines for Speedy Deletion and Speedy Renaming, and how to do cleanup. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) for the policies guiding many renaming decisions.

Unless the change is non-controversial (such as vandalism or a duplicate), please do not remove the category from pages before the community has made a decision.

Categories that have been listed for more than seven days are eligible for deletion, renaming or merging when a rough consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to the nomination have been raised.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, it may be helpful to use the {{Category redirect}} template at the old category title.

[edit] Current discussions

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[edit] Discussions awaiting closure

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[edit] How to use Cfd

Shortcut: WP:CFD#HOWTO

[edit] Procedure

To list a category for deletion, merging or renaming, follow this process:

I

Preliminary steps.

Determine whether the category needs deleting, merging, or renaming.

If it is a red link and has no subcategories, then it is already deleted (more likely, it was never really created in the first place), and does not need to be listed here.
Read and understand Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) and Wikipedia:Overcategorization before using these discussion pages.
Nominate categories here which violate policies or guidelines, are misspelled, mis-capitalized, redundant to other categories (not redundant to stand-alone lists), small without potential for growth, or generally bad ideas.
Please read the Wikipedia:Categorization of people policy when nominating or commenting on people-related categories.
Please read Wikipedia:User categories and Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User categories when nominating or commenting on Wikipedian categories.
In the following special cases:
- If the category is empty for more than four days, use {{db-catempty}} for a speedy deletion.
- If the category in question is a stub category, go to Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion.
- If the category is only populated by a template and both the category and template are being proposed for deletion, follow the instructions at templates for discussion.

For further information see Wikipedia:Categorization, Wikipedia:Manual of Style, and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories).

II

Edit the category.

Add one of the following tags at the top of the category text of every category to be discussed. (The tags belong on the categories' main pages rather than their talk/discussion pages.)

If the category is a candidate for speedy renaming, use:

{{subst:Cfr-speedy|ProposedName}}

and follow the instructions at Speedy renaming.

If a single category:

For deletion, {{subst:Cfd}}
For a merger, {{subst:Cfm|OtherCategory}}
For renaming, {{subst:Cfr|ProposedName}}
For splitting, {{subst:Cfs|ProposedName1|ProposedName2}}
For converting the category text into an article, {{subst:Cfc|ProposedName}}

If a group of similar categories or a category and its subcategories, use an umbrella nomination (each category must be tagged, for nominations involving large numbers of categories tagging help can be requested at the talk page):

For deletion, {{subst:Cfd|CfdSectionName}}
For a merger, {{subst:Cfm|OtherCategory|CfdSectionName}}
For renaming, {{subst:Cfr|ProposedName|CfdSectionName}}
For splitting, {{subst:Cfs|ProposedName1|ProposedName2|CfdSectionName}}
For converting the category text into an article, {{subst:Cfc|ProposedName|CfdSectionName}}

Please include "CFD", "CFM", "CFR", "CFS", or "CFC" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor.
Preview before saving. The display will give more precise instructions about the next step.
See the documentation pages at {{cfd}}, {{cfm}}, {{cfr}}, {{cfs}}, and {{cfc}} for more specific information.
Consider adding {{subst:Cfdnotice|Cfd section name|date=yyyy Month d}} to the main article's talk page or to categories that are merge targets to notify users that the category has been nominated for deletion or renaming. Doing so would not only extend an additional courtesy, but possibly also bring in editors who know more about the subject at hand. See the doc page at Cfdnotice for more information on how to use this template as well as other similar templates that can be used to notify the category's creator or related WikiProjects specifically.

III

Create the CFD subsection.

Click on THIS LINK to edit the section of CFD for today's entries.

Follow the instructions in the comments (visible during edit), to copy and paste the template shown. All categories are specified without the Category: prefix.

For {{Cfd}}, use:

{{subst:Cfd2|ObsoleteCategory|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}}

For {{Cfm}}, use:

{{subst:Cfm2|FromCategory|ToCategory|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}}

For {{Cfr}}, to a definite name use:

{{subst:Cfr2|OldCategory|NewCategory|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}

For {{Cfr}}, to an indefinite name use:

{{subst:Cfr2|OldCategory|to be determined by consensus|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}

For {{Cfs}}, to definite names use:

{{subst:Cfs2|OldCategory|NewCategory1|NewCategory2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}}

For {{Cfc}}, use:

{{subst:Cfc2|FromCategory|ToArticle|text= Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}

For umbrella nominations, the standard templates should build the "Cfd section name" for the 1st nomination, although the 2nd and subsequent nominations must be added manually, like this:

==== Cfd section name ====

1st category
2nd category
Your reason for nominating the category ~~~~ (Make clear if you propose deletion, merging or renaming).

If an umbrella nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide the bulk of nominated categories.
When using these templates, the old and new categories you specify are automatically converted to links: you do not specify them as links yourself.
In your reason, please link appropriate articles or categories to help other editors.
In your reason, when linking to a category, always add a colon (':') in the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page (and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating).
Preview before saving to ensure all the fields have been properly listed.

Once you have previewed your entry, please make sure to add your signature after your proposal. If nominating a list of entries as a batch below your rationale, it is somewhat neater to place these after the signature (rather than leave the signature dangling at the end of the list, apparently unrelated to your reasons).

Once you have submitted a category here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is supported, helpful administrators and editors will log the result and ensure that the change is implemented to all affected pages.

Also, consider adding to your watchlist any categories you nominate. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

[edit] Users without accounts and users with new accounts

Users without accounts (unregistered users) may nominate and comment on proceedings, just as in Articles for Deletion (AfD).

[edit] Redirecting categories

It is our general policy to delete categories that do not have articles in them. Unlike articles, categories are mostly for internal use only. If they don't have any articles, they shouldn't have any links from any articles or any other categories, because they are not useful for navigation and sorting.

However, some categories frequently have articles assigned to them accidentally, or are otherwise re-created over and over again. In these cases, we use a form of "soft" redirection.

Categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (#REDIRECT [[target]]) due to limitations in the MediaWiki software. Instead, use {{Category redirect|target}}. Helpful bots patrol these categories and move articles into the redirect targets.

You can see a list of redirected categories in Category:Wikipedia category redirects.

[edit] Special notes

Categories relating to stub articles should not be nominated here, but should be taken to Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. If a group nomination of several similarly-named categories includes one or more stub categories, it is usual for non-stub categories to be nominated here first, with stub categories nominated separately at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion only once a decision has been reached on the non-stub types. As stub category names usually - though not always - follow permanent category naming, resulting changes to stub categories would frequently be considered as speediable.

When nominating a category, it's helpful to add a notice on the talk page of the most-closely related article. Doing so would not only extend an additional courtesy, but possibly also bring in editors who know more about the subject at hand. You can use {{Cfd-article}} for this.

Categories that should exist but are missing articles or subcategories should be added to Category:Underpopulated categories using {{Popcat}}.

If a category is only used as generated by a template (e.g. Category:Foo Stubs to correspond with Template:Foo-stub), and that template is deleted by regular WP:TFD or WP:SFD process, then the category can be deleted as well as long as it was nominated along with the template, or mentioned early in the discussion.

[edit] Speedy renaming and speedy merging

Shortcut: WP:CFDS

Categories may be listed here if they fall under the criteria specified below. Deletion and de-listing may occur after 48 hours if there are no objections. They must be tagged with {{subst:cfr-speedy|new name}} so that users of the categories are aware of the proposal. This delay is to allow for objections over correct spelling, etc. to be made and to ensure that items are not processed that do not meet the criteria.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation", categories that have been empty for four days) can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}, and no delay is required for these.

Contested requests can be removed from this list after 48 hours. If the nominator wants to continue the process they need to submit the request as a regular CfD using the instructions above.

[edit] Speedy criteria

Criteria for speedy deletion, renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C1. Unpopulated categories: that have been unpopulated for at least four days. This does not apply to disambiguation categories, category redirects, featured topics categories, categories under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (or other such discussions), or project categories that by their nature may become empty on occasion (e.g. Category:Wikipedians looking for help). Place {{empty category}} at the top of the page to prevent such categories from being deleted.

Tag category with {{db-c1}}.

C2. Renaming or merging.

A. Typographic and spelling fixes.

Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2.C below. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en-dashes or vice versa. (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).

B. A rename enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices.

Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.)

C. A rename bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names.

This should only be used where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
This criterion should only be applied when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

D. A rename instating concordance of category and article naming.

Renaming a category to match its eponymous article (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles – the category could be renamed under this criterion if the article is moved).
This applies immediately following a page move with explicit consensus to also rename the category, or two days after any other page move. If there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, then this criterion does not apply.

Tag category with {{subst:Cfr-speedy|newname}} and list on WP:CFDS.

For any categories that are not speedy candidates, use Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.

A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:

The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed above, and;
No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.

If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

[edit] Add requests for speedy renaming here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria in C2 listed above, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format:

* [[:Category:OLD name]] to [[:Category:NEW name]] – Reason for rename. ~~~~

Don't forget to tag the category with {{subst:Cfr-speedy|newname}}

Please add new entries at the top of the list and sign and date stamp your entries with ~~~~.

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, the time stamp shown is 06:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC) or earlier.

Category:Theatrology to Category:Theatre studies. C2D per main article Theatre studies. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Economy and Society of Transnistria to Category:Economy and society of Transnistria – Caps. 174.62.173.107 (talk) 02:56, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I definitely support the proposed rename, but this category probably should be split into Category:Economy of Transnistria and Category:Transnistrian society. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 03:15, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Black Falcon, split 'em. jonkerz ♠talk 03:20, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Sonny Moore albums to Category:Skrillex albums – C2D. Article was moved from Sonny Moore to Skrillex. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 02:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Texas A&M–Kingsville baseball to Category:Texas A&M–Kingsville Javelinas baseball – C2D. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Texas–Kingsville Javelinas baseball players to Category:Texas A&M–Kingsville Javelinas baseball players – C2C. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:51, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Alabama-Huntsville Chargers to Category:Alabama–Huntsville Chargers – C2A per MOS:DASH and C2D per Alabama–Huntsville Chargers. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 20:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Association football players from Melbourne to Category:Soccer players from Melbourne – C2C: per Category:Australian soccer players. Soccer is preferred over association football in Australia (see Soccer in Australia). Jenks24 (talk) 09:55, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:SC Concordia Hamburg players to Category:SC Concordia von 1907 players – C2D: As per SC Concordia von 1907. Jared Preston (talk) 08:24, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:FC Gandzasar Kapan managers to Category:Gandzasar F.C. managers – C2D. Jared Preston (talk) 23:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:FC Gandzasar Kapan to Category:Gandzasar F.C. – C2D. Jared Preston (talk) 23:13, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Open source health care resources to Category:Free healthcare software – C2C. All these entries are software articles. Pnm (talk) 22:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Prequels Comics to Category:Prequel comics – caps, grammar —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:National Union of Students of the United Kingdom to Category:National Union of Students (United Kingdom) - C2D per National Union of Students (United Kingdom). Timrollpickering (talk) 20:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:NUS presidents to Category:Presidents of the National Union of Students (United Kingdom) – C2B/D per National Union of Students (United Kingdom) & List of Presidents of the National Union of Students (United Kingdom). Timrollpickering (talk) 20:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Allied Health Professions to Category:Allied health professions – C2A/C2D. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:USC Trojans football templates to Category:USC Trojans football navigational boxes – C2C. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Opposed nominations

Category:Churches in Kentucky to Category:Church buildings in Kentucky – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Kansas to Category:Church buildings in Kansas – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Iowa to Category:Church buildings in Iowa – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Indiana to Category:Church buildings in Indiana – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Illinois to Category:Church buildings in Illinois – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Idaho to Category:Church buildings in Idaho – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Virginia to Category:Church buildings in Virginia – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Vermont to Category:Church buildings in Vermont – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in South Dakota to Category:Church buildings in South Carolina – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:27, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in South Carolina to Category:Church buildings in South Carolina – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:27, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Oregon to Category:Church buildings in Oregon – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Oklahoma to Category:Church buildings in Oklahoma – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Category:Churches in Ohio to Category:Church buildings in Ohio – C2C as supported by the Jan 22 CfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
  
  Opposed You didn't even consider the option provided LAST TIME. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
  - I guess your post close comment sums up things here. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:24, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Garo (TV series) to Category:Garo – C2D; no need have the dab for the category. —Ryulong (竜龙) 19:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - The main article is at Garo (TV series) and Garo is a disambiguation page with multiple meanings, including a genus of fish, a musical group, a magazine, a tribe, a language, a former kingdom, and so on. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Indeed - C2D would add the dab, not remove it, and it is needed here. (The correct criterion, for the record, would have been C2B). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:United Kingdom comics stubs to Category:British comics stubs – C2C: all other subcategories in Category:British comics use this naming convention. Fortdj33 (talk) 18:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Stub categories should, except in the case of simply typos, be discussed at WP:SFD. I have moved the listing to Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2012/February/2. Best, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 20:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Nazi SS to Category:Schutzstaffel – C2D. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

This replaces the English-language common name with a Gernman word which will be unknown to most English-speaking readers. That works in article space (because of redirects), but it will cause confusion when it appears without explanation at the bottom of articles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:28, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Category:Slice of life anime and manga to Category:Slice of life manga – For consistency in naming in the project. Example, Category:Shōnen manga. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 04:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Oppose The main category is Category:Anime and manga by genre and every sister category uses the "FOO anime and manga" format. Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 14:22, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Category:Swat District to Category:Swat, Pakistan – C2D per Swat, Pakistan Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:24, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
- Category:People from Swat District to Category:People from Swat, Pakistan
- Category:Populated places in Swat District to Category:Populated places in Swat, Pakistan
  
  I have some reservations about this one. "Swat" is not just a district but also a valley, so unless the two are coterminous, renaming to "Swat, Pakistan" adds ambiguity. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 04:25, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Category:CPPIB to Category:CPP Investment Board – C2D per CPP Investment Board Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 07:19, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment It will take more than simply renaming the category. There are currently two different articles about this same subject.

Canada_Pension_Plan_Investment_Board#CPP_Investment_Board

CPP_Investment_Board Ottawahitech (talk) 19:49, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Category:National Book Award winners - Young People's Literature to Category:National Book Award for Young People's Literature winners – reformatting to match article about award which is National Book Award for Young People's Literature Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:20, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments. This may be hasty.

(1) At Category talk:National Book Award winners - Young People's Literature I have suggested name "Category: N... winning books" for articles about the books in contrast to "Category: N... winners" for biographies of the authors.

Category:Books by award shows a mix of category names: "... Award winning books", "... Award winners (books)", "... Award winners". -P64 00:30

(2) Presently the authors in all award categories are in Category:National Book Award winners. The books are in Category:National Book Award Winners - Fiction (capital "Winners") and Category:National Book Award winners - Young People's Literature (a version with capital "Winners" is now empty and should be deleted). I haven't checked whether another award category is represented by a wiki:Category that is missing from meta-Category:National Book Award.

Spot check reveals no others. -P64 00:30

(3) Should our article names deviate from official award names? That "for" is not part of the award name. The award is one of four National Book Awards, the one in category Young People's Literature. The National Book Foundation evidently uses parentheses or comma, or comma and newline, maybe other typo-devices. --P64 (talk) 20:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Ready for deletion

Check Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for out of process deletions. In some cases, these will need to be nominated for discussion and the editor who emptied the category informed that they should follow the WP:CFD process.

Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.