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Case Created Last volunteer edit Last modified
Title Status User Time User Time User Time
natural numbers 7Closed Thomas Walker Lynch (t) 2014-10-17 06:50:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-20 14:11:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-20 14:11:00
Person of Interest (TV series) 1New AbramTerger (t) 2014-10-18 11:54:00 None n/a AbramTerger (t) 2014-10-18 11:54:00
Last updated by DRN clerk bot (talk) at 14:30, 20 October 2014 (UTC)



Current disputes[edit]

natural numbers[edit]

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Filed by Thomas Walker Lynch on 06:50, 17 October 2014 (UTC).

Person of Interest (TV series)[edit]

Symbol wait old.png – New discussion.
Filed by AbramTerger on 11:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Users involved

Dispute overview

Talk:Person of Interest_(TV_series)#Revamped_Recurring_characters discussion

Several issues of content have arisen. I can accept (though I don't agree with) the rejection of using the TV guidlines, I think the content ordering should be consistent within the article and that some standards need to be in place. Other "related" discussions that are also in dispute to some degree:

Talk:Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)#Regular_cast_order,

Talk:Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)#The_dog_as_a_main_character

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I have tried several compromises, all have been reverted. Several discussions have been started on the talk page(dog as main character, main cast order, recurring cast ordering). i have also asked for a discussion on user talk. There seems (at least to me) a reluctance to discuss and explain the logic and maintain a logic in the article. I try WP:BRD, but get revert with a claim to keep the status quo until a consensus is reached, but then no attempt to explain.

How do you think we can help?

I am not sure. I am not sure it is possible to insist someone discuss and insist someone try to compromise and collaborate (or even follow article guidelines). Even in the discussion at Talk:Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)#The_dog_as_a_main_character where there does seem a local consensus to do something, Drmargi reverts it. I am hoping that some encouragement could help get Drmargi to at least explain their logic so I can work with that.

Summary of dispute by Drmargi[edit]

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Person of Interest (TV series) discussion[edit]

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.