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Case Created Last volunteer edit Last modified
Title Status User Time User Time User Time
Jakec and Dthomsen8 7Closed Jakec (t) 2014-10-23 00:48:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-23 18:17:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-23 18:17:00
Azad Kashmir 1New Jinishans (t) 2014-10-23 21:43:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-24 16:14:00 Mar4d (t) 2014-10-24 23:55:00
Gilgit-Baltistan 7Closed Kautilya3 (t) 2014-10-24 15:17:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-24 17:54:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-24 17:54:00
Boris Pasternak 7Closed Toreeva (t) 2014-10-24 17:35:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-24 17:51:00 TransporterMan (t) 2014-10-24 17:51:00
Last updated by DRN clerk bot (talk) at 02:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)



Current disputes[edit]

Jakec and Dthomsen8[edit]

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Filed by Jakec on 00:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC).

Azad Kashmir[edit]

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Filed by Jinishans on 21:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Users involved

Dispute overview

I would like to include in Azad Kashmir page that it's also called as Pakistan occupied Kashmir or just Kashmir instead of 'Azad Kashmir' which means Free Kashmir, which is not true as per the Instrument of Accessionto say the FACT about Azad Kashmir, which is what Wikipedia is for I believe. Entire Jammu and Kashmir is considered as part of India and it's a state of India. Either we should move Azad Kashmir page under Jammu and Kashmir page or change the name of Azad Kashmir to just Kashmir, but a part occupied by Paskistan can't be termed as Free Kashmir which is not true and there's no document to prove that as well similar to Instrument of Accession.

And, as there's a representation of Pakistan's view in Jammu and kashmir page mentioned as 'Indian occupied Kashmir', I merely wanted to add 'Pakistan occupied Kashmir' in 'Azad Kashmir' page which is how this part of the land is called within India and widely around the media and world from indian standpoint and Instrument of Accession document, which they're undoing again and again.

Also, I added the link to Instrument of Accession and Accession Day in the exising Azad Kashmir page, which is also deleted by few users from Pakistan's most right wing political party PTI, they're trying to own this page Azad Kashmir and doesn't allow Instrument of Accession and Accession Day link added in the introduction paragraph.

More over, these few users requested to discuss this under Talk page of Azad kashmir, which i'm doing respecting their word, but they started bringing in more from this right wing PTI party of Pakistan and threaten me that they'll block me for edits and from Wikipedia itself. I'm not sure why they're doing this, which shows their intolerance to anyone when adding facts to this disputed page.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

As i'm a novice and new to Wikipedia edits, trying to respect their views, discussing in Azad kashmir page as per their request, but they're threatening me they can stop me and ban me from editing.

How do you think we can help?

I'm simply asking we need to add the factual document page Instrument of Accession and Accession Day links in first paragraph with one line under Azad Kashmir page.

Secondly, asking them to change the title of the page to just kashmir instead of Azad (in hindi Free) kashmir, which isn't true. If not, let's just merge it with the bigger jammu and kashmir page.

Also, we need to have 'pakistan occupied kashmir' added in this 'Azad kashmir' page apart from changing the title.

Summary of dispute by TopGun[edit]

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Summary of dispute by Mar4d[edit]

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

I'm not really sure what was the point of opening this DRN? The title of the page is not going to be changed, and you know why. We've explained to you how that would be a violation of Wikipedia's strictly WP:NPOV policy. Just because India regards the Instrument of Accession as legal does not make Azad Kashmir a part of India. The international and Pakistani perspective is different. We can't promote India's point of view over others. And your proposal for merging Azad Kashmir under Jammu and Kashmir shows you are a new editor, have little knowledge of editing on Wikipedia and still have a lot to learn. Mar4d (talk) 23:55, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Azad Kashmir[edit]

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Volunteer's Note: Welcome to the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. Just a reminder: It is the requesting party's obligation to make certain that all parties who have taken part in the talk page discussion are listed as parties, above, and are notified of this filing. The notice must be placed on each party's user talk page and must include a link to this section. The easiest way to do that is add {{subst:drn-notice|Azad Kashmir}} - ~~~~ on their user talk page. If the other parties have not been notified within a few days — usually 3-5 — after this case has been filed it will be closed as abandoned. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:14, 24 October 2014 (UTC) (current DRN coordinator)

Gilgit-Baltistan[edit]

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Filed by Kautilya3 on 15:17, 24 October 2014 (UTC).

Boris Pasternak[edit]

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Filed by Toreeva on 17:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC).