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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:30, 15 September 2011 [1].

List of 350cc Motorcycle World Champions[edit]

List of 350cc Motorcycle World Champions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe the list fulfills the criteria to be a featured list. NapHit (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "British riders have won the most championships; eight riders have won a total of 14 championships." The "have"s should be removed because this sentence is dealing in past tense; the category no longer exists, so it isn't current.
  • Also, the "are"s in the next sentence need to be "were"s, or further edits should be made.
    • Still one "are" in "and Rhodesians and South Africans are third with three championships." Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:03, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Got it now, thanks NapHit (talk) 23:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Don't want to keep harping on this bit, but Rhodesian should be plural. Don't know why it was changed back. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, must of changed it by accident its fixed now. NapHit (talk) 12:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and Rhodesian and South African are third...". Either add another "riders" in here or make a change to "Rhodesians and South Africans".
  • Key: De-capitalize Championship in the first two items?
  • "Each year is linked to the article about that 350cc Grand Prix motorcycle racing season." Since the articles are for all of Grand Prix motorcycle racing, the 350cc should be removed from this note. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments Giants, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 14:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Not entirely keen on the prose in the lead, a bit clunky. E.g.s
    • "Former classes that have been discontinued include" you don't really need "Former" there because you go on to say they're discontinued.
    • Why is "Sidecar" capitalised?
    • "350cc was a class that existed..." why not "The 350cc class existed..."?
    • "that raced in that class" reads poorly.
    • "The engines had four cylinders, similar to the four cylinders used" repetitive.
  • Is there no reasonable link for MotoGP?
MotoGP links to Grand Prix Motorcycle Racing NapHit (talk) 23:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Grand Prix Road-Racing World Championship was established in 1949 ..." comes a little late in the para since you say in the opening sentence the championships were around since 1949, consider rework.
  • "won the most championships; he won seven" why semi-colon and repeat won, why not "won the most championships with seven..."?
  • "Jim Redman is second with..." second what?
  • Table should use row and col scope parameters for WP:ACCESS.
  • I think n/a should sort as a zero.
decided to put this as a dash instead as having n/a sorting as zero messed up the sorting with it in between the 0s and 1s. NapHit (talk) 23:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • You should explain that Margin means Champion's points margin over the guy who came second.
  • 1960, margin is zero, needs explanation.
  • Also to put points into context, worth telling me how the scoring went throughout the years since one champ won with 22 while another won with 132, some difference.
  • Also worth having number of races in there too, in case 2 wins was great because it was 2/3 and so on.

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments TRM, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 23:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Staxringold talkcontribs 17:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Staxringold talkcontribs 16:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you have the information why not include a constructor championship fact or two in the lead. IE, which were the most successful?
Added a bit about constructors NapHit (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems quite odd (to me) to see in the lead that "Rhodesians" have 3 championships but then promptly see 5 championships won in a row by people from countries called Rhodesia. Especially with 4 straight by Jim Redman. Why does he lose his Rhodesian-osity when the country changed names?
Good spot, that's just an error by me can't believe I didn't notice it. NapHit (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps include a description of any notable championships (if there are any)? Jon Ekerold's narrow 3 point win (in a modern championship so that many more races) seems like there'd be a story. Or Kork Ballington's 57 point whalloping.
I would but the official website doesn't delve into the history of the championships and I don't have any books on motorcycles unfortunately. Information is very thin on the ground regarding MotoGP. NapHit (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review I've dealt with all your comments. NapHit (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from Wizardman Operation Big Bear 23:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
  • "The 350cc class existed from 1949 until 1982 when it was discontinued" the when it was discontinued part seems redundant since the dates imply that.
Done
  • Any reason why the flag for Jim Redman is different in one table than the other? I think I get why but want to make sure.

Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The flag in the first table was the flag when he won the title and the flag at the bottom is the flag that Rhodesia used for the majority of its existence. NapHit (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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