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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 03:59, 17 August 2011 [1].

List of Old Guildfordians (Royal Grammar School, Guildford)[edit]

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Nominator(s): GlanisTalk 07:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it now meets the FL criteria, and it would be nice to have a few more articles/lists of featured quality from the schools project. GlanisTalk 07:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wish that all school alumni sections or articles could be this good. However, to me, one thing that stops it from being featured list quality is the reliance on the school's own website for a large number of the references. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 13:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've spent a little bit of time now, and found additional references for the majority of those listed, so the list is now down to 6 referenced solely by the school website (down from about 15) and I'm working on the rest. GlanisTalk 16:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "The school dates its founding to the death of Robert Beckingham in 1509 who left provision in his will...". First, "a" should be added before "provision". Second, the ordering of "death of Robert Beckingham in 1509 who left" isn't logical; "who" comes after the date, not the person. For a fix consider "death in 1509 of Robert Beckingham".
  • "Since the schools founding in 1509". "schools" → "school's".
  • In the table headings, decapitalize the second word of Leaving Year, as it isn't a proper noun.
  • Check the notes in the table to see if they need periods. Furse and Gristwood don't need them, but they'd be useful for longer ones like Allison and Bennett.
  • Leonard Colebrook: "who introduced an number of measures...". "an" → "a".
  • Watch for over-capitalization in the table notes. Some examples I see are "Film Director" for Jones, "Association Football" for multiple people, "Gold Medal" for Knight, "Rugby Union International" for Lambert, and "Cricket Captain: for Willis.
  • Also in Bob Willis, I doubt Ian Bonham's first name needs to be repeated.
  • Page range in ref 5 needs an en dash.
  • Refs 1 and 49 have the YYYY-MM-DD style of date formatting, while the others are spelled out. This should be consistent throughout the article. If it were me I'd just switch those two since it's the easiest thing to do. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:33, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Those are all done now. Thanks, GlanisTalk 07:30, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • For ref 1, use first= and last= for the author name to be formatted correctly within a {{cite}} template.
  • Prefer the hat note to be "See also the related category of Old Guildfordians"
  • 'make a free scole at the Towne of Guldford'; -> should be in quotes and directly sourced.
  • Count "the school" in the opening para, it's somewhat repetitive.
    • Perhaps: "The school dates its founding " -> "Its foundation dates..." and "to purchase the school following" -> "to purchase it following"...? No major traumas though... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure "sixth form" is entirely clear to non-UK readers.
  • Repeating the year of foundation is unnecessary.
  • You link "members of parliament" to the UK, perhaps make it clear this is what you mean in the lead because you then go on to talk a foreign politician.
  • Don't forget, if you resort the table, note A won't necessarily be at the top. Perhaps worth making a general note rather than link this every line.
  • Link BAFTA.
  • Abbot needs an en-dash in his notes for a year separator.
  • Air Chief Marshal has one l and has a list to link to.
  • Lieutenant-General (United Kingdom) also worth linking.
  • Need "full stop consistency" in the notes.
  • "Star of..." POV, stick to the facts.
  • Don't use MP without explaining it.
  • Speaker of the House of Commons (United Kingdom) is a useful link here.
  • "who is currently (June 2011) England's second highest wicket " -> "who is, as of June 2011, Englands second-highest wicket..."
  • Refs with PDFs should use the format=PDF parameter.
  • Ref 11 needs an en-dash.
  • So does 13 and 17, 24, 29, 30, 35 etc etc etc
  • Ref 31 should be p not pp.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think those are all addressed, except for point 4 as I cannot currently think of a way to re-word the first paragraph - so any suggestions you may have would be welcome! Thanks, GlanisTalk 20:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Responded above. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done GlanisTalk 18:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
Done, except for the last one, 57, as that is not actually taken from the online version of the book since the book is not freely available on Google Books. The link is just there for further reading purposes. Thanks, GlanisTalk 21:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
With images 1 & 3 (Geroge Abbot & Arthur Onslow) which are subject to the copyright claim from the NPG, I was of the opinion that the community has decided that until a successful case is brought against the defendant they were ok for use, as the images are hosted in the US where there is no copyright on faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art (since the US does not recognise the "sweat of the brow" doctrine that is present in UK copyright law). So I therefore assumed that using these two images was ok? GlanisTalk 07:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
With regards to the second image (Lloyd-Morgan) There is a good chance that the image is now in the public domain, but I will however email the University of Bristol to enquire as to its status and I have removed it from the article until this is cleared up. Thanks GlanisTalk 07:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done GlanisTalk 07:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done GlanisTalk 07:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support no glaring issues for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Impressive list and nicely formatted, but I have to ask if Simon Lazenby qualifies here? Being a Yank, I am not familiar with him, so he might be fine, though as a red link, he jumps out as possibly not meeting notability (I am pretty sure the other red link is fine). Just checking? LonelyBeacon (talk) 21:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, now I've had a proper look, I don't think he does. There are a few sources, but very little about him, more just his thoughts. I've taken him out for now. GlanisTalk 13:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Has Kudpung been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 17:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just asked him now. GlanisTalk 18:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies for the delay in responding. Apart from the tag on File:Lloyd-Morgan.jpg which still appears to need attention, I have no further issues and will certainly support the FL when this has been resolved. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:59, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still waiting to hear back from Bristol University re copyright on that (although i'm not hopeful), so as a result that image has been removed from the article. GlanisTalk 19:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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