Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of film producers of the Dutch East Indies/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Hahc21 04:34, 15 February 2013 [1].

List of film producers of the Dutch East Indies[edit]

Featured list candidates/List of film producers of the Dutch East Indies/archive1

Nominator(s): — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:55, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it's a good look at film producers from the Indies, a topic I'm trying to make featured. No images because I haven't found any free ones of those involved. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:55, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why limit the article to 1926 to 1949? I understand that Indonesia is not exactly the same as Dutch East Indies, but I wouldn't think producers must be segregated by pre- or post-independece. The names in Category:Indonesian film producers would be a good addition to this list. Reywas92^Talk 19:41, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because a) it was not the same political body, b) as noted at Darah dan Doa, Indonesians have generally not considered films from the Indies truly "Indonesian" films, and c) we already have List of films of the Dutch East Indies and List of film directors of the Dutch East Indies; this is meant as a complement to them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:21, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nice list. Here are some comments you may disagree with.
"Twenty-two people are recorded as having produced fictional films in the Dutch East Indies between 1926," I would write "Twenty-two people are believed to have produced fictional films in the Dutch East Indies between 1926," although I know that weasel words are not permitted, still I prefer such wordings in this case
"All were men; the first female film producer in Indonesia, Ratna Asmara, produced her first film in 1953.[3]" - suggest "Among identified film producers from the Dutch Indies, all were men except at least one woman, Ratna Asmara, who has produced her first film in 1953"--Tomcat (7) 18:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments and support. "Believed" sounds less encyclopedic than "recorded" (especially since they are on record) and 1953 was after the Dutch East Indies was dissolved, so Ratna should not be counted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle with some comments. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You mention G. Kruger as one of the first producers, but his debut film is 1930, which is later than a number of other producers. Is this assertion based on the approximate date when he started working on Karnadi Anemer Bangkong?
  - Hmm... Good point. He was likely the producer of Eulis Atjih in 1927, but I don't have a source to confirm this. Good catch, reworded until I can confirm that he was the producer of Eulis Atjih. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Altogether they produced some 93 films in this period..." Is it a valid corollary to say then that a total of 93 fictional films were produced in the Indies between 1926 and 1949? If not, perhaps this requires rewording.
  - The recorded producers did, although (as visible at List of films of the Dutch East Indies) some 112 fictional films were produced altogether. Any suggestions for alternatives? The already-featured list of film directors of the Dutch East Indies uses the above wording. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - A possible alternative is "Altogether they are credited for 93 of all known films produced in the Indies..." This should also provide some connectivity between the producer/director lists and the film list, which seems to be missing at the moment. Out of curiosity, do we know the original terms (in Dutch, etc.) used to describe these people's roles? —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 08:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Cameraman seems to have been "operator", but none of the sources have any more. Good wording, changing... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

"By 1930 Chinese producers had dominated" – comma after 1930.

In American English, likely. It seems to be optional in British English (which this article uses) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Producers in the Indies would often handle multiple roles, including as director and cinematographer." – not sure about this, but I think there's no need for "as". Also, you might want to add "including the positions of..." so that it flows better.

—Bloom6132 (talk) 17:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed as. Since we have "roles", I feel "positions" would be redundant. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support – List meets all 6 criteria. Good work! —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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