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The list was promoted by Giants2008 21:09, 28 December 2012 [1].

List of songs recorded by Katy Perry[edit]

List of songs recorded by Katy Perry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): AARON• TALK 15:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I believe it meets the FL criteria. I have permission to have concurrent FLC's as my other one has 9 supports. AARON• TALK 15:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: Here's why:
  1. Lead is a little too long
    Lead is fine. Not too long. AARON• TALK 12:13, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Most of the "sources" appear to be liner notes or iTunes. I'd appreciate something more reliable pbp 20:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    You can't get any more reliable than the album booklet for the writers, so that's fine. iTunes is also fine for a release date, so that's fine too. AARON• TALK 12:13, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • To the above, to echo with Aaron said, the lead is not too long, and the album booklet is where the information of the writers come from. You can't get any better than that. Statυs (talk) 16:21, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Statυs (talk) 00:36, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Status:
  • As someone familiar with Katy's career, Singer-songwriter isn't what she is. She may write her songs, but generally, a singer-songwriter also produces, composes, etc., like, for example, Taylor Swift.
    Done. AARON• TALK 20:42, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "as well as several collaborations" is sort of vague. How about something like "as well as collaborations for other artist's albums"?
    Had a problem with that phrasing on one of my other FLCs. AARON• TALK 20:42, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the age of" Seems a bit redundant to me, "At 15" gives the reader all they need.
    Done. AARON• TALK 20:42, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • record contract → recording contract (and wikilink, I'm not sure it's that familiar of a term.)
    Linked. AARON• TALK 20:42, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and began to record" → "and recorded"
    Done. AARON• TALK 20:42, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Statυs (talk) 16:21, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:59, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
:Leaning to support, however, here are some brief comments:
  • Stargate ---> should be StarGate, I know you are aware of this, because most of the sources list them as StarGate
    They aren't credited in the booklet as such though. Even in reviews it's a lower case 'g'. AARON• TALK
  • The new material included "Dressin' Up" and the single releases "Part of Me" and "Wide Awake". ---> Maybe to add who the writters of the songs are?
    Sentence would be very long then. They are only re-release tracks. AARON• TALK
  • Also this is optional, but don't you think more pictures of writters and features can be added in the songs section?
    Yeah. AARON• TALK
  • Billboard reference 1 should be {{cite web}} per consistency
    Done. AARON• TALK
  • Link FMQB in reference 8
    AARON• TALK

That's all, all in all a descent job on the list. — Tomíca(T2ME) 20:45, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:47, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – good work with songographies as usual.
  • Trim: The first paragraph of the lead slightly pushes the boundaries of relevance because it does not really discuss the songs. I suggest replacing it with a more concise and brief version.
  • Grammar: "... recorded a gospel album entitled Katy Hudson in 2000 and 2001, however the record company closed down soon after." – "however" should be substituted for "but".
  • Grammar: "Two years later, the singer signed a contract with Island Def Jam and begun to record another album"
  • Conciseness: "which also ceased to come to fruition" can be shortened to "which was never finished" or "which was never released".
  • Diction: "but it was soon terminated after record executives decided that the singer's creative vision was not compatible with what they had envisaged" – an odd word to use; there has got to be something nicer. Perhaps "cancelled" if that is what you mean.
  • Redundancy: "Once signed with Capitol, Perry began recording sessions for her second studio album entitled One of the Boys"
  • Clarify: "She collaborated with Dr. Luke and Max Martin on the lead and second singles 'I Kissed a Girl' and 'Hot n Cold', respectively." – how can there be two "second singles"?
    There aren't two second singles, that's not what I'm saying. The lead single is IKAG and the second HnC. Have reworded. AARON• TALK 13:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redundancy and wording: "Perry co-wrote the songs 'Lost" and 'A Cup of Coffee' with Ted Bruner, while she shared writing credits with Greg Wells on the tracks 'Ur So Gay' and 'Fingerprints'." – the use of "while" is awkward here too.
    No need for "she" in "and she shared". —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Repetition: The repetition of "Perry" gets a bit tiresome, more so in the third paragraph.
  • Punctuation: Missing period after "Perry collaborated with Monte Neuble and Christopher 'Tricky' Stewart on 'Circle the Drain' and 'Who Am I Living For?'".
  • Diction: "On March 23, 2012, Perry re-released Teenage Dream entitled Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection" – should be "as".
  • Grammar: "which included new songs as well as remixes of songs from the standard version of the album released in 2010." – "included" should be simple present.
  • Grammar: The same goes for this sentence: "The new material included 'Dressin' Up' and the single releases 'Part of Me' and 'Wide Awake'."
  • Repetition: To avoid repeated statement of the fact that the re-release included new songs, I would probably cut "new songs" in the second-last sentence and in the last sentence say "It features new songs, such as...".
    Just cut "new songs as well as". This is told in the following sentence. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ]
  • Table of contents: the link to "A" is not needed as it serves no purpose.
  • Sorting: "The One That Got Away" should be sorted as "One That Got Away, The".
    You missed this one. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    No I didn't. AARON• TALK 14:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Woops, OK. Remember to move the song and its acoustic version to the "O"s and not the "T"s. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm no that's not how it works. The start of the title is "The", but it sorts under "O". AARON• TALK 17:39, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Footnotes: Note 1 is not needed because the "Album" column gives this information already.
  • Sources: If possible, avoid a heavy reliance on primary sources and retailers. They do not have to be completely eliminated, but somethird-party articles to establish some notability would be good. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:04, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Done all. AARON• TALK 13:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Revisited. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Done all. AARON• TALK 17:39, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I'm happy with the fixes. Great work. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:47, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note once you're done with Penguin's comments, let me know, I'll review and I promise that once my comments are dealt with, I'll support. This is a decent list already. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:28, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 18:14, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "for three studio albums as well as several collaborations" perhaps "many of which were collaborated with others" or something
  • "2001, however" replace comma with semi-colon

TBrandley 05:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Great work Aaron. TBrandley 18:14, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. AARON• TALK 18:17, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Article looks fine and organised. It deserves the gold star! — Oz 20:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. AARON• TALK 00:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note - It is unlikely that I will be able to respond to anything from the 23 December 2012 to 6 January 2013. AARON• TALK 18:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Excess period after "E.T." needs removal.
  • Same goes for the period after "Who Am I Living For?" In each case the punctuation from the title should double as the punctuation needed at the end of a sentence.
    I took to addressing these two points, after having read a bit more into the punctuation rules. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 10:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the photo's alt text, "A" shouldn't be capitalized, and I've never heard of a "Caucasin" before.
  • In a couple of captions, I see the formulation "and also appears...". In these situations, the "also" is a redundancy that doesn't do anything for the sentence. All it does is add a word. This is a helpful tip for preparing articles for FAC, not just FLC.
  • See also should come before Notes.
  • Publisher of ref 8 (FMQB) should be italicized as a print publication. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Done all. Thanks Penguin also. AARON• TALK 21:45, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: It's well written, nicely edited and have good reliable sources. Thumbs Up.Pks1142 (talk) 10:32, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Concur with statement above. —AdabowtheSecond 04:58, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Pks1142 and Adabow AARON• TALK 21:51, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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