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Good article reassessment (or GAR) is a process primarily used to determine whether articles that are listed as good articles still merit their good article (GA) status. There are two types of reassessment: individual reassessment and community reassessment. An individual reassessment is initiated and concluded by a single user in much the same way as a review of a good article nomination. Community reassessments are listed on this page for discussion and are closed according to consensus. Where possible, editors should conduct an individual reassessment, and community reassessment should be used if delisting is likely to be controversial. Community reassessments can also be used to challenge a previous delisting or fail during a good article nomination. This is not a peer review process; for that use Wikipedia:Peer review. The outcome of a reassessment should only depend on whether the article being reassessed meets the good article criteria or not.


Before attempting to have any article de-listed through reassessment, take these steps:

  1. Fix any simple problems yourself. Do not waste minutes explaining or justifying a problem that you could fix in seconds. GAR is not a forum to shame editors over easily fixed problems.
  2. Tag serious problems that you cannot fix, if the templates will help reviewers find the problems. For example, it may be helpful to add a {{Verify credibility}} tag after a source you think is dubious. Do not tag bomb the article.
  3. Make sure that the problems you see in the article are actually covered by the actual Wikipedia:Good article criteria. Many problems, including the presence of dead URLs, inconsistently formatted citations, and compliance with 90% of the Manual of Style pages, are not covered by the GA criteria and therefore not grounds for de-listing.
  4. Notify major contributors to the article and the relevant Wikiprojects. The aim is not to delist the article, but to fix it.edit guidelines

Individual reassessment

When to use this process
  • Use this process if you find an article listed as a good article which does not satisfy the good article criteria.
  • Make sure you are logged in; if you are not a registered user, please ask another editor to reassess the article, or request a community reassessment.
  • If you have delisted the same article before, are a major contributor, or delisting could be seen as controversial consider requesting a community reassessment.
  • Check the good article criteria to see which criteria it fails to meet. For problems which are easy to resolve, you might try being bold and fixing them yourself.
How to use this process
  1. Add {{subst:GAR}} to the top of the article talk page and save the page. Follow the first bold link in the template to create an individual reassessment page.
  2. Leave a review on the reassessment page detailing the problems with the article in comparison to the criteria, and save the page.
  3. Transclude your review onto the article talk page by adding {{Talk:ArticleName/GAn}} to the bottom of the last section on the article talk page: you need to replace ArticleName and n by the name of the article and the subpage number.
  4. Allow time for other editors to respond. Also, notify major contributing editors (identifiable through article stats script), relevant WikiProjects for the article and, if recently GA reviewed, the reviewer. The {{GARMessage}} template can be used for notifications, by placing {{subst:GARMessage|ArticleName|page=n}} on talk pages. (replace ArticleName with "the article name" and n with "1" for community reassessment, or with "2" for individual reassessment)
  5. If the article still does not meet the criteria, you can delist it. To do this, remove the article from the relevant list at Wikipedia:Good articles, remove {{Good article}} from the article, delete the {{GAR/link}} template from the talk page and update the {{ArticleHistory}} template on the talk page (see example). Also change any project assessments on the talk page.
  6. If you decide the article has improved enough to now meet the criteria you can keep it as a Good article. To do this, delete the {{GAR/link}} template from the talk page and update the {{ArticleHistory}} template on the talk page.

Community reassessment

When to use this process

If you believe a current good article does not meet the criteria, first consider trying to reassess the article yourself (through an individual reassessment). However use a community reassessment if

  • you are not confident in your ability to assess the article or believe that delisting the article will be seen as controversial.
  • you disagree with a delisting by another editor.
  • you disagree with a fail at Wikipedia:Good article nominations. However, it is rarely helpful to request a community reassessment for an article which has not had a proper review; it is usually simpler to renominate it. If some time has lapsed since a delisting or fail it is better to renominate.

Requesting reassessment during a content dispute or edit war is usually inappropriate, wait until the article stabilizes and then consider reassessment. If significant instability persists for more than a couple of weeks, then reassessment on the grounds of instability may be considered.

How to use this process
  1. Add {{subst:GAR}} to the top of the article talk page and save the page. Follow the second bold link in the template to create a community reassessment page (this is a subpage of the good article reassessment page).
  2. Append your reason for bringing the article to good article reassessment, sign it, and save the page. The article should automatically appear on this page within an hour.
  3. Please notify the most recent GA reviewer, major contributing editors (identifiable through article stats script) and relevant WikiProjects for the article. The {{GARMessage}} template can be used for notifications, by placing {{subst:GARMessage|ArticleName|GARpage=n}} on talk pages. (replace ArticleName with "the article name" and n with "1" for community reassessment, or with "2" for individual reassessment)

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Articles needing review and possible reassessment[edit]

The Good articles listed below would benefit from the attention of reviewers as to whether they need to be reassessed. In cases where they do, please open an individual or community reassessment and remove {{GAR request}} from the article talk page. In cases where they do not, simply delete the template from the article talk page.

The intention is to keep the above list empty most of the time. If an article is currently a featured article candidate, please do not open a reassessment until the FAC has been closed. To add an article to this list, add {{GAR request}} to the article talk page.

See also

Articles listed for community reassessment[edit]

A Series of Unfortunate Events[edit]

Article (edit | edit beta | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment page • GAN review not found
Result: No opposition. Obvious citation and original research issues. Delisted. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 03:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

The article has a problem with original research/verifiability (see 2c): although many of the {{cn}} tags in there were added by myself, a decent number weren't and all of them need addressing anyway. References are thorough in a couple of sections (like "Genre"), but sparse for most of the article. For instance, the long analytical "Recurring themes and concepts" section has only 4 sources, 3 of which are just sources to the books next to quotes taken out of them. I'm sure it would be a great piece of writing on a fansite or forum, but is not referenced.

There also seems to be an issue with images (6a), although I'm not an expert in this area: while the book set picture of the English version is fair use, as I would expect, File:Série de livres Les désastreuses aventures des orphelins Baudelaire.JPG and File:Řada nešťastných příhod.jpg (the French and Czech translations) are from Commons.

The sales subsection could perhaps do with some expansion — I know, for instance, that not all of those 41 language editions will have printed the whole 13-book series of ASOUE (and very few supplementary works like TBL or TUA or Horseradish). Are there reliable sources somewhere that go into more detail? If not, the subsection is far too small (one sentence!) to be left on its own, and should be incorporated into some other part of "Reception". (The main section "Genre" might also have the same problem.)

I'm sure I've neglected to mention many issues the article has, but just the referencing issue means it fails GA criteria. The article hasn't been reviewed since 2007 (and I would say it should have been delisted then): it definitely doesn't meet the criteria now. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 12:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


Blues for the Red Sun[edit]

Article (edit | edit beta | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment pageMost recent review
Result: No consensus for delisting. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 03:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Similar issues as Billion Dollar Babies—nothing on the background and recording, lead not summarizing the entire content, audio should feature explanation what it showcases, etc.--Retrohead (talk) 19:27, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


Oscar (fish)[edit]

Article (edit | edit beta | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment pageMost recent review
Result: Obvious issues, no opposition. Delisted. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 04:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Reason: This article is no more a good one. It is full of cn tag and one of the sections does not follow MOS. - Rahat (Talk * Contributions) 10:21, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

The Fame Monster[edit]

Article (edit | edit beta | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment pageMost recent review
Result: Consensus for delisting. Forged sources may also be a concern. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 04:07, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

The prose in this article is really quite horrible, and I don't believe this passes criterion 1 of GACR. On top of poor grammar throughout, the article also suffers from overquotation, raising copyright issues. The problems are large-scale and article-wide. Examples include, but are not limited to (as of this writing):

  • Initially planned solely as a deluxe reissue of The Fame, it was later decided that the release's eight new tracks would also be released as a standalone EP in some territories, as Gaga thought the re-release was too expensive and that the albums were each conceptually different, describing them as yin and yang. – VERY long sentence.
  • The cover artwork was done by Hedi Slimane – "done"? Very vague language is not encyclopedic.
  • The artwork was originally declined by her record company, however, Gaga convinced them to go through with it – "go through" is informal, unencyclopedic language.
  • "Dance in the Dark" was only released as a single in select territories, but received ... and receiving ... – grammatically incorrect
  • It was nominated in a total of six categories at the 53rd Annual Grammy Awards including Gaga's second consecutive Album of the Year nomination, ultimately winning for Best Pop Vocal Album. – poorly written sentence
  • According to her, she felt a dichotomy within herself – very poorly written sentence

I'm not super familiar with the reassessment process, so I have opened this as a community reassessment. –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:02, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

  • It should also be noted that Legolas2186, who was the main contributor at the time this was listed as a GA, has been indefinitely blocked for outstanding falsification of sources (see here). Thus, GACR #2 is also potentially an issue. –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Delist in addition to the above concerns, this goes into excessive detail about performances, and some refs aren't correctly formatted. This really needs a copyedit and is not up to par. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:21, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
  • DelistNeutral for now. Its too much of a hassle to go through an old article with numerous errors as Snuggums pointed out. But I will take a shot first with referencing. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 04:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Type 94 Nambu pistol[edit]

Article (edit | edit beta | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment pageMost recent review
Result pending

The article is not currently GA material. First, there's a glaring date conflict was fixed. Second, the article has a fairly heavy POV slant and appears to be making a judgement call regarding whether this weapon was well-designed or not. Encyclopedic articles aren't supposed to do that. Third, the lede itself makes a number of POV claims that the gun is poorly designed and none of them are sourced; while they are in the body, they are still heavily slanted and POV. Fourth, the writing itself contains a great deal of passive voice... things like "it is considered to be"... considered by whom? Passive voice is generally a sign of weak writing and an article that contains a lot of it is not GA material. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 01:09, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

If it is highly sourced as a weapon of poor quality and design how is not to be presented as such? Do you want authors and experts quoted as calling it a poor weapon or removal of statements about quality overall?--Molestash (talk) 03:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Two points:
* Which of the cited sources specifically refer to it as poor design and bad quality? I know there are lots of gun boards and fan pages out there that like to make it out to be "the worst gun evaaarrr", but I think a lot of that is hyperbole and even racism, to some degree. Gun culture can be very cliquish, and I'm speaking as someone who is a part of it. I actually own a Type 94, it's not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. BUT;
* The sources in the article are good ones, so if that's where you've pulled this from I think it's more a matter of graceful writing than sourcing. Something along the lines of "Japanese weapons experts typically refer to the design of the Type 94 as overly complex and in some cases, dangerous". I would also make note of the fact that the decline in fit and finish/build quality over time had much to do with Japan's factories being destroyed and the need to crank out guns more quickly (all of the Axis countries and the USSR had the same issues with late war guns being more crude and sometimes poorly made). Additionally, the issue with the seer bar is present on the Luger, although it's protected more elegantly, it would be nice to mention this. I'm having some issues with Wikipedia, not sure if it's my internet or the site is just slow, going to log out for now. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 03:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Derby & Brown along with Kinard take a two fold approach. They've come to the conclusion that complaints Western shooter make about the gun being too small and awkward to hold and fire are baseless because the weapons were made for the 5'4" Japanese soldier not the average Western Soldier 5'11" and taller. Derby & Brown do however take an engineering approach and detail how the firing pin is weak and easy to break. The ability to shoot the pistol from the sear bars with just your hand is covered by all authors I have used/read (hence the picture and it's own paragraph). The inclusion of the sear bar problem in the luger, which I am unfamiliar with, would lose focus from the article. The Type 94 to my knowledge did not borrow design features from the Luger directly. When writing an article about pistols I feel you need to tread a light line about getting too technical and thus don't pound why something is a design flaw, just weapon authors indicate it as such. The decline very much has to do with the rush completion of the pistols and shortages in supply but they show the decline in production quality probably best of all weapons of WWII. You have to remember the Japanese were getting ready to fight the allies using makeshift spears and original matchlock rifles to defend the home islands. They didn't have the stockpiles the Germans acquired and only started having a modern army 80 years earlier. The military industrial complex was also the weakest in Japan with natural resource scarce on the home islands and Japan cut from their factories in Manchuria and Korea. I have the same personal interest in early Japanese firearms and would agree that Westerners tend to be hostile towards Japanese weapons out of pseudo nationalism. --Molestash (talk) 01:10, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I disagree with you on expanding somewhat on the specifics engineering and design flaws. If I were a casual reader or someone with an interest in old firearms who happened to read the article, I would want to know why the authors say the gun has engineering and design shortcomings. Readers should be able to come to this article and get all of the best ideas from the works cited. In addition to tightening up the prose I'm also thinking of ways to actually expand the article, somewhat. One thing you might consider is posting a request at the League of Copyeditors to have the article reviewed by someone who is an experienced (and perhaps trained) editor rather than a writer who is into firearms. I wonder if the League are still around, it has been years since I checked. Even the best writers have editors who clean up and tighten their writing. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 05:54, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Ok, they are still around. Worth a look! The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 15:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War[edit]

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The subject of this article is important - the Spanish Civil War - a subject which has been researched by a wide range of academics of varying nationalities. Bonafide copy editors, with the best of intentions, have attempted to extend the article in order to give it a similar length to the very well writen good article in Spanish Wiki. Unfortunately as a result of maintaining the unusually narrow range of sources, the article now appears as though it is the paraphrasing of one main source, Thomas, whose book was written in 1960, though re-published more recently. This article was previously subjected to community assessment for doubtful quality and the view that the article was not of good article class was unanimous on both occaisions. There was not one single view that the article was of good article class. I cannot see that a topic of such importance can have good article status when it relies to such an extent on one source which is out of date. I recommend that this article good article status be withdrawn until it can reflect a similarly broad range of sources as the Spanish wiki article. Translation from Spanish to English has been suggested and a notice has been posted on the Spanish article last year. Similarly the the English article has been tagged for improvement by could also be considered. An editor who has a fascination with war articles has unilaterally promoted the article to good article, though previous discussion indicated that although there were a small number of participants in the discussion, the view was unanaimous.Isthisuseful (talk) 10:24, 7 March 2015 (UTC) Also, I put the article forward for editing in order to bring it up to good article class. An experienced editor took on this task but found the number of sources far too limited and agreed that the article was paraphrasing Thomas. For information the discussion about the article's status took place twice by way of RFC and to be doubly sure that this article is not being unfairly demoted from good article category I will post a further RFC.

A machine translation of the Spanish article is already superior to the current version in English. A page for translation has been created and is being progresssed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Isthisuseful (talkcontribs) 21:00, 2 March 2015

  • Comment: G'day, you state that the article was previously subjected to community assessment for doubtful quality and the view was that it was not of good article class. Can you please provide a link to this discussion? The last community GAR that I can find is this one: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Spanish Civil War/1 from August 2013, where it seems the vote was in favour of keeping. Likewise, could you please specifically state which GA criteria you believe that the article fails? I had a quick look, and from what I can see there appears to be a reasonable number of citations to authors other than just Thomas, for instance Beevor, Alpert, Preston, Jackson, Bieter, Howson, Westwell, Payne, Santos, etc. So at least from my superficial look it appears like the article uses a reasonably broad range of sources (I'm not an expert on the topic, though, but at least from a lay perspective it seems ok to me). Which source from the Spanish article do you think should be added? Finally, please do not cast aspersions about other editors' motives, as it is not conducive to creating a collaborative editing environment. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

→I am sorry that your friend is upset that I have put the article which he promoted to good article forward for community assessment. My understanding is that page is to discuss the merit of the article rather than whether I have done the right thing by asking for community reassessment. I have put my comments on my talk page and I'm happy to have that discussion there. Isthisuseful (talk) 19:28, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Good Article Criteria:
Well-written:
the prose is clear and concise, it respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct; and
it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.[2]
Verifiable with no original research:[3]
it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;[4]
all in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines;[5] and
it contains no original research.
Broad in its coverage:
it addresses the main aspects of the topic;[6] and
it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.
Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.[7]
Illustrated, if possible, by images:[8]
images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.[9]
  • Reasoning that Good Article Criteria are not met:

Above are the good article criteria as requested. The article reflects an Anglo-Centric view of the Spanish Civil War at time of British raprochment with the dictatorship in Spain in the 1950s & 1960s. This view, which is the view in the two source books which are the primary source of the article, was accepted in Britain in the 1960s but it is no longer current. The article paraphrases Thomas and presents the Spanish Civil war in terms military battles and particular artists that were notable at the time. This creates a very oddly shaped article which is lacking in historical analysis and perspective, in particular the historical causes of the Spanish Civil War, something which is fundamental to historical understanding, are almost ignored. The majority of historical reasearch into the Spanish Civil War has taken place much more recently that the 1960s and 1970s when the dictatorship was still in place. This makes the article out of date and unsuitable for good article status. Isthisuseful (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, so to clarify, could you please confirm that you are saying that you believe this article does not pass the "broad in its coverage" and the "neutral" criteria? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 12:22, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm having a hard time with the repeated assertions that the current article is largely based on Thomas' 1961 book: there are a mere 20 cites to the 1961 book, out of 264 book cites in the whole article. The general assertion that the sources are outdated doesn't seem to hold water either: a quick analysis of the book cites shows that 14% are pre-1990 and 86% post-1990 (by comparison, the Spanish article is 5% pre-1990 and 95% post-1990). I certainly don't see (1) an over-dependence on Thomas 1961 (in fact the Spanish article cites it 11 times), nor (2) a preponderance of aged sources. Can we drop the 'based on Thomas' and 'outdated sources' arguments which don't seem supported by the facts, and instead focus on the quality of the sources and any deficiencies in the content of the article, please? Maralia (talk) 03:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: @Isthisuseful: - you state: "the historical causes of the Spanish Civil War, something which is fundamental to historical understanding, are almost ignored..." The article has a background section which at approx. 800 words is admittedly fairly short; however, it appears summarise what is obviously a fairly broad topic, with more details available in the main article at Background of the Spanish Civil War (4,800 words and currently an GA/A class article). Given the length of the main article (already 130 kb) it seems appropriate to me that it would use summary style in this fashion. However, I am not an expert on this topic so I'm unsure if it is a good summary or not. Perhaps you might explain what is missing from this section that you feel is relevant? Equally, as you seem to be fairly knowledgeable on the topic, might it not just be easier and more productive for you to amend the article yourself and add the information you believe is missing (respecting of course the need to provide references per WP:V and in keeping with WP:UNDUE) rather than continually open GARs? Anotherclown (talk) 08:51, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Further to my last - while I disagree with many of the criticisms levelled at the article by the nominator (specifically coverage), and I agree with Maralia's points IRT sourcing, I do feel that there are a few issues with this article that do require rectification for it to retain its GA status, specifically:
  • References - there is quite a large amount of unreferenced text (most of which seems to have recently been tagged by an IP). I've gone through and added citations where I could find them, and this has resulted in some rewording to fit the sources I have available; however, five "citation needed" tags remain and these will need to resolved IOT meet criteria 2b;
  • In addition there are a number of inconsistencies evident in referencing style, as well as a few citations which are unclear (e.g. "Thomas. p. 628") which lacks the year of the work therefore making it unclear which long citation it corresponds with (if any); and
  • There are some obvious MOS issues, specifically to do with overlinking per WP:REPEATLINK.
  • There may be other issues but this is just what I have noticed so far. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be many editors around at the moment that are interested in working on this article I will continue to attempt to work through some of these issues myself, although if others are interested I would welcome their assistance. Unfortunately due to the limited sources I have available to me I would say it is likely I will not able to find all the citations necessary in particular, so unless these are added by someone else this article may indeed need to be delisted. Anotherclown (talk) 02:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

British Bangladeshi[edit]

Article (edit | edit beta | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · WatchWatch article reassessment page • GAN review not found
Result pending

Unfortunately, this article has not been consistently updated since being listed as a GA. As a result, much of the data in the article is out-of-date, relying on the 2001 rather than the 2011 census, for example. There are also unsourced statements in the article and numerous grammatical errors. I have tried to find editors who will work with me to update the article, but no one has responded to my comments on the talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Further to the above, the article is now subject to some edit warring over the article title and the selection of images of notable people included in the infobox. I have suggested that the edit warriors could better direct their efforts towards improving the article content. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:20, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

One Piece[edit]

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I've read the article, and found that there are several Citation needed tags in several paragraphs. As well as that, I believe there are some paragraphs that are quite messy in appearance. With those flaws, I'm starting to question the article's GA status. Railer-man (talk) 02:22, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

The article has the one major issue as far as I can see. the other issue present are Pages with citations lacking titles but that along with the paragraphs are cleanup work. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I have counted nine "citation needed" tags and two missing title citations. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:25, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Charles Bertram[edit]

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There may be some issues with the article, but the one cited by the reviewer who came through and gave a speedy close is not remotely in good faith. Requesting reopening of the review and less disinterested reviewer with an interest in actually improving the page to the point where it is a GA, rather than simply closing it out to fulfill some DYK-style quota. — LlywelynII 14:14, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


Ideasthesia[edit]

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The article was elevated to GA status in January 2015, the primary contributor to this article Dankonikolic nominated this article for DYK ( Template:Did you know nominations/Ideasthesia ), where issues not addressed in the GA Review by Jaguar were brought up and and discussed by Carlojoseph14, Victuallers, BlueMoonset, EEng, Crisco_1492, myself, and more specifically by U3964057, who brought up the WP:COI and WP:PRIMARY issues. Due to these unresolved issues Allen3 did not pass the nomination. Therefore, as these issues effect Criteria #2 & Criteria #4 of WP:GACR, I am opening up this article to community reassessment.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Responding to ping. On a very superficial evaluation, this seems way too much of a pet neologism. I summon DGG who I believe will have a good handle on evaluating uptake beyond the term's originator. EEng (talk) 04:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
This isn't my academic field. All I can do is look at Google Scholar, and count. (I suppose you could say that looking at such indexes and counting is one of my academic specialties, more pompously known as bibliometrics!) The listing for ideaesthesia shows only 27 uses in all of the scientific literature, and all of them in articles that rather few people have cited. There's an alternate spelling, and the [ideasthesia listing for "ideasthesia"] shows even fewer. And one of them says they got the term from the WP article! Looking at theGScholar results for Danko Nikolić, he has some very highly cited papers, but none of them are on this. There's enough to make this more than FRINGE, or subject to deletion as a neologism, but the article gives the mistaken impression that it's a widely-used term. To say "However, most phenomena that have inadvertently been linked to synesthesia, in fact are induced by the semantic representations i.e., the meaning, of the stimulus[2][3][4][5][6] rather than by its sensory properties, as would be implied by the term synesthesia" is not really justified. It should read, "According to some workers [2][3][4][5][6], most phenomena.... " The general statement can only be used when its accepted as such by major secondary quality review articles or standard textbooks, unrelated to the originators. DGG ( talk ) 04:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi all. I have been mentioned as a protagonist in this but am not sure that I have much more to add on top of what has already been said. I think I would only reiterate the comments that I made here. Cheers Andrew (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


I have made the change proposed by DGG. Please do not destroy the page on ideasthesia. This would be quite a loss. I am willing to improve it to whatever degree you may find necessary. (Danko (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC))

right now the only question is the article's status as a Good Article. Given DGG's analysis above the article seems safe for the moment against deletion on WP:Notability grounds, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone proposes having a debate on that. If such a debate does commence, than please, Dankonikolic, please don't take it personally. This happens a lot with new concepts and it's the way Wikipedia works -- must work -- for a lot of reasons. The best thing you can do is to get together as many indpendent sources citing and discussing this concept. I would recommend your listing them on the article's talk page, and explaining how it would be used in the article. Given that this is your new concept, people will be very on-guard about potential WP:Conflict of interest, so discussing things first will be best. Having said that, there won't be many people watching the page so you may get little response. Be very, very patient, and do not recruit colleagues to become editors to support you in this -- that will be very obvious and will lead to trouble so fast you won't believe it. Let it develop naturally over time -- and that may mean years. To be honest, the best thing for you may be to concentrate on your research and publishing in the usual journals, and forget about Wikipedia. Sooner or later some enthusiastic graduate student will start developing the article, and you'll be pleasantly surprised. Good luck! EEng (talk) 17:28, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Shimabara Rebellion[edit]

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Three Days Grace[edit]

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I don't believe this article should be listed as a GA anymore. Promoted over five years ago, I believe this article's prose and organization has decayed over time and the standards for GA were lower back then. Plus, looking at the GA review, it was glazed over and passed pretty quick. There are way too many {{citation needed}}s for a good article, and some bare sentences that are neither tagged or referenced. These issues haven't been addressed in quite a while, so I would like to nominate this for a community reassessment. Thanks, Jacedc (talk) 03:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


Boeing 787 Dreamliner[edit]

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The short review for this article which was done by AlanZhu314159265358979 (who has made just 28 mainspace edits) misses a number of errors, including some dead links, and as noted here by BlueMoonset, a number of prose errors. The article deserves a much more thorough review. Jc86035 (talkcontribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 08:35, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment from BlueMoonset[edit]

It's clear that a great deal of work has gone into this article, and it deserved its B-class rating. The GA requirements are quite specific, however, and at the moment it does not meet some of these requirements, and therefore should not have been promoted.

I do not have time to do a thorough review, but there are clear issues with the first GA criterion, "Well-written". In particular, I've found a number of places where the "prose is clear and concise" and "spelling and grammar are correct" requirements are not met, and some significant departures from the manual of style with regard to the lead section.

1a. prose and grammar[edit]

Some examples of problematic sentences or phrases:

  • Manufacturing and suppliers subsection: "The 787 project became less lucrative than expected for some subcontractors. Finmeccanica had a total loss of €750 million on the project by 2013." This does not accurately reflect the source, which talks about Finmeccanica taking a writedown of that much, but does not specify when the writedown occurred, nor talk about any previous losses or whether profits had been booked earlier.
  • Pre-flight ground testing subsection: "As a result, some airlines reportedly delayed deliveries of 787s in order to take later planes that may be closer to the original estimates."
  • Flight text program subsection, end of sixth paragraph: "Following this incident, Boeing suspended flight testing on November 10, 2010, ground testing continued." Missing word(s) and/or punctuation problem.
  • Service entry and early operations subsection, paragraph 5: "Early operators discovered that if the APS5000 APU was shut down with the inlet door closed, heat continued to build up in the tail compartment and cause the rotor shaft to bow. It could take up to 2 hours for the shaft to straighten again. This was particularly acute on short haul flights as there was insufficient time to allow the unit to cool before a restart was needed." There is no explanation of what an "APU" is in the article, "cause" has grammatical problems, and "particularly acute" could have be referring to the heat, the shaft bowing, the shaft straightening out, or the time this last would take. The entire paragraph could be more clear.
  • Operational problems section: "After these incidents, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board subsequently opened a safety probe." Using both "After" and "subsequently" is redundant, and I think the "Later" starting the next sentence probably is as well. Also, a couple of paragraphs later, there's a tense issue with "Japan's transport ministry has also launched an investigation." This was in January 2013; "has also launched" is only correct if the investigation is still ongoing 27 months later. Is it?
  • Battery problems section, final sentence: "The NTSB has criticized FAA, Boeing and battery manufacturer for the faults, as well as the flight data recorder." They criticized the flight data recorder for the battery problems? This sentence is very unclear, and "Boeing and battery manufacturer" is also problematic.
  • There are also a number of places where the full date does not have a comma or other punctuation after the year; these should all be fixed, starting with "July 8, 2007" in the second paragraph of the intro.
1b. lead section[edit]

A number of non-trivial facts in the intro are nowhere to be found in the article, which is a clear violation of WP:LEAD. These include:

  • First paragraph: "most fuel-efficient"; "world's first major airliner to use composite materials as the primary material in the construction of its airframe"; "a four-panel windshield"; "a smoother nose contour"; and the entire "common type rating" sentence.
  • Second paragraph: the entire third and fourth sentences, from "At this time there were 677 aircraft on order" to the end of the paragraph.

All of these "Well-written" issues need to be addressed. If they aren't in a reasonable time period, probably the best thing to do would be to delist it; it can be renominated for GA once they have been—I'd recommend asking GOCE to check it, and maybe even request a peer review—and with any luck will get a thorough and competent review. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:06, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


London Paddington station[edit]

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I don't think the article meets the GA criteria, especially about references. Look at the history section, it doesn't have much references (the first few paragraphs). "Flows on long-distance high-speed trains to or from Paddington" and "Suburban flows to or from Paddington" tables don't have any ref as well. "Paddington is an alternative London terminal for Chiltern Railways' service to Birmingham, used when London Marylebone is inaccessible for engineering or other reasons, and for one daily service (departs 11:36), towards West Ruislip, calling at South Ruislip." This statement does not have a ref. "Paddington station in fiction" - this section has a few statements not referenced.

Also, the article has too many images with images on both sides and also in the Gallery section. Some images also don't have suitable captions. Then, the LU infobox has too many key dates. The article also has no notes (not sure about this but usually GAs have it).

That's all I have to say. Hope to see some votes soon. ;) Vincent60030 (talk) 21:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Delist The article falls quite short of the 2c no original research requirement. I found several other unreferenced statements throughout the article, including large parts of the London underground section. The image and table formatting is also a mess as the nom has pointed out. Winner 42 Talk to me! 01:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Jevons paradox[edit]

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This article has more than half of it dedicated to the dispute of the potentially incorrect application of Jevons Paradox to energy efficiency (specifically fuel consumption), as though one or more individuals did not like what the paradox entails, and therefore dedicated more than half of the article to debunking/criticizing the application of the Jevons Paradox. The article subsequently gives substantial undue weight towards this argument, and also violates the NPOV guidelines. It is for these reasons why I do not believe Jevons Paradox can be listed as a good article, at least until these problems are addressed and corrected.

Temeku (talk) 04:32, 23 April 2015 (UTC)