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May 23[edit]

Theodoros Deligiannis[edit]

I find it hard to believe that someone who was assassinated while he was the incumbent Prime Minister of a country, "died in extreme poverty", as it is claimed in this article. There must have been a mistake. (talk) 10:21, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@ You are welcome to research this and improve the article, with a reference or two to support the content. Or, you can post something like this on the article's talk page, and someone else with an interest in the subject might be inspired to have a look. But, contrary to popular belief, there is no Wikipedia "article corrections department" where people do whatever research and corrections are suggested by readers. We're all volunteers with our own areas of interest and other things on our plates. Best of luck,―Mandruss  10:30, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
The whole paragraph looks suspect to me, starting with the unreferenced PoV claim "The main fault of Deligiannis as a statesman was that he was unable to grasp the truth that ...". Maproom (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

error in edit notice[edit]

I don't know why this is happening. Can anyone fix that problem? It is normal here but something is happening when editing my userpage. Thank you.— Supdiop talk 10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed, you didn't close your table or Div tags - Happysailor (Talk) 10:51, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
@Happysailor: Thank you very much. — Supdiop talk 11:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Patriot Act[edit]

What is the Patriot Act. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:39, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Enter it in the search box at the top right to find Patriot Act. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:05, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

about my new article[edit]

I was created a wikipedia page. that was about my own organization. my organization name is Esoteric Research Center of Bangladesh (E.R.C.B). Why my article page is deleted ? please tell me because that page is hardly needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esoteric Research Centre (talkcontribs) 12:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Because your organisation wasn't notable enough- per WP:GNG and WP:CORP, it needs to have significant, independent coverage from reliable sources. Also, it's strongly discouraged to write about your own company/organisation, if you do please read WP:COI, and I would recommend using WP:AFC and Wikipedia :Article Wizard. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:11, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

More about the #tag:ref to refn conversions[edit]

Gadget850 changed multiple files and templates by changing #tag:ref to refn in references and in template source. I've been correcting problems that turn up at Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. The template problems are particularly subtle. A few have been reverted. Gadget850 seems to have retired temporarily. Can someone with AWB or equivalent check the files and templates changed? Thanks. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:39, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Gadget850 for reverting these. On the positive side, the conversion uncovered and helped lead to fixes for some strange pre-existing problems. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:09, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Anna Kay Akana[edit]

The "article" on Youtube personality Anna Kay Akana is imho clearly promotional, and was very likely written by a professional promotion agency or editor employed by Akana.

The vast majority of cited sources are to text and video produced by the largely non-notable Akana herself, and the tone of the prose contains many completely unencyclopedic phrases.

The "article" was created in basically its current form by a single user who didn't work on a single article before or since and who didn't make a single edit past the very day they instated the article, clearly indicating that the "article" was completely written well before the page was created on Wikipedia and that the account is very likely a throwaway sockpuppet used by a professional promotional editor or agency working for Akana.

What should happen to that article? And why is clearly promotional content like this allowed to exist on Wikipedia in the first place? -- (talk) 17:44, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors cannot patrol every article. I'm working on it now, removing lots of promotional/unsourced content. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia editors cannot patrol every article. -- I know. I was just hard-pressed to formulate a question. Imho the "article" should be stubbified, and probably deleted altogether. -- (talk) 17:53, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Put it up for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Kay Akana. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, both for the quick response and for confirming my perception of the article as a puff piece. -- (talk) 18:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

What do these code numbers mean?[edit]

Please refer to the following article: List of most recent executions by jurisdiction. Under the section for "United States", there is a list for each of the 50 states. I went into "edit mode" and I looked at the entries for that list. Just picking a random section, I have listed three states below.

{{LE|CC7862|New Hampshire|{{sort|1939-07-14|14 July 1939}}|[[Howard Long]]|[[murder]]|[[hanging]]}}

{{LE|3F9BBB|New Jersey|{{sort|1963-01-22|22 January 1963}}|[[Ralph Hudson]]|[[murder]]|[[electric chair]]}}

{{LE|CC7862|New Mexico|{{sort|2001-11-06|6 November 2001}}|[[Terry D. Clark]]|[[aggravating factor|aggravated murder]]|[[lethal injection]]}}

So, my question is: what is that code in front of the state name? They all seem to say "LE" and then, each state has a different alpha-numeric code. For example, New Hampshire is CC7862 and New Jersey is 3F9BBB. What do those mean? The "LE"? And the code numbers? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

The six digit hex code is the color of the square at the beginning of the line. Corresponding to the status of capital punishment for that state/government. Rwessel (talk) 18:32, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) "LE" seems to be short for "last execution". The template {{LE}} appears to have been created for that list article alone. Looking at the template code, the code you're referring to is a color code used in the article, where the editor simply assigned an arbitrary background color for each state. -- (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. All of that technical / code stuff is way above my head. I noticed that that list was missing Washington, D.C. So, I went ahead and added in Washinton, D.C., to the bottom of the list (in correct alphabetical order). When I added the entry for Washington, D.C., I just did a "copy and paste" of one of the other states. I filled in the information that I knew, and left the rest as it was from the "copy and paste". Then, I later noticed these code numbers, which prompted my above questions. In any event, I want to insure that I did all of the codes (and the entry) correctly. Can someone look it over? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
The blue square indicates that legal executions are "Abolished for all crimes". Is that correct for DC? Rwessel (talk) 19:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Although it's not referenced, Capital punishment in the United States says "The District of Columbia has also abolished the death penalty; it was last used in 1957". So. yes, that's correct. Rojomoke (talk) 20:31, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:07, 24 May 2015 (UTC) a reliable source?[edit]

Hello, I was wondering if is a reliable source. Thank you! --Bananasoldier (talk) 20:24, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Bananasoldier, I don't see any indications of who writes or publishes, nor do I easily find any online reviews of the site. So I wouldn't be included to use it if I had an alternative. But no source is reliable for everything. What did you want to source to this site? DES (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
@DESiegel: I didn't have anything particular in mind, but there was a lot of information present on this website so I thought I might ask. There are plenty of other sources online, so there is no need to use this source. Thank you again! --Bananasoldier (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
The best place for this discussion would be the reliable source noticeboard. Thank you for asking the question here. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:08, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

May 24[edit]

Problem involving my personal sandbox[edit]

I have a problem I hope someone can help me with.  I was playing around in my user sandbox (just lots of miscellaneous testing of wiki code stuff, including some snippets I copied and pasted from a regular page).  Anyway when I have the stuff in my user sandbox user page everything is OK.  But when copy the exact same stuff into my user sandbox talk page, I immediately get the following warning:
This sandbox is in the User talk namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the {{User sandbox}} template.
I don't understand; I thought I could use both sections of my personal sandbox (User Page, and Talk) for more or less whatever I wanted (as long as it's not malicious or illegal).  Why am I being told to move it somewhere?  I don't even fully understand what they're telling me to do, let alone why they're telling me to do it.  I really appreciate any help anyone can provide.  Thanks.
P.S.  I apparently can make the warning go away by deleting the "{{User sandbox}}" at the start of the wiki code ; but I don't understand why this should be necessary in either section of my own personal sandbox.
Richard27182 (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Richard27182, While you may use sandbox pages pretty freely, it is usually assumed that a talk page is still a talk page. If you used a sandbox to draft an article, for example, the talk page would be where you and anyone you invited to join you discussed the draft. Or it could be where you experiment with wiki code designed for talk pages.
The template {{User sandbox}} includes code that checks what namespace it is transcluded into. If it is anything but the User: namespace, it displays the message you observed. This is present becauae it has happened that article drafts and other sandboxes were moved to other namespaces, including the main article space, in error. It is to warn about this that the message is generated.
You can hanve many persional sandboxes, as many aas you like (within reason). Your default sandbox is at User:Richard27182/sandbox. But pages such as User:Richard27182/sandbox2 User:Richard27182/sandbox_links or any similar name you like can be created and can hold anything that your default sandbox could hold, and each of them could have its own talk page. See WP:UP and Wikipedia:About the Sandbox for more. DES (talk) 12:29, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer, but I'm still a bit confused.  I think my main problem is I still don't completely understand the concept of "spaces" (namespace, mainspace, user space, etc); once I fully understand the concept of "spaces," I think the above answer will make a lot more sense to me.  In the meantime, I'd rather not create any new personal sandboxes and have just my regular personal sandbox because it's so easy to access; I just have to click the "sandbox" link at the top of the page when I'm logged in.  As a temporary solution could I just make sure that, when I'm using my personal user talk sandbox, I'll make sure that "{{User sandbox}}" doesn't appear anywhere in the wiki code?  (The warning did seem to suggest doing that as one possible solution.)
Richard27182 (talk) 09:38, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Namespace. User talk pages are not intended for sandboxes. It's possible to use them for that but it may confuse others. And as you have seen, some things behave differently for different namespaces so for example {{User sandbox}} should not be used. User talk:Richard27182/sandbox is two clicks away but there are many ways to get multiple normal user sandboxes two clicks away. Assuming your browser has JavaScript, one way is to use User:PrimeHunter/My subpages.js by adding this to Special:MyPage/common.js:
importScript('User:PrimeHunter/My_subpages.js'); // Linkback: [[User:PrimeHunter/My subpages.js]]
For me the produced link to the left of "Preferences" is "Subpages". For you it would be "Subpages" which currently only lists one page, but if pages like User:Richard27182/sandbox2 existed then they would automatically be listed. Another method which doesn't require JavaScript is to add user subpage links to User:Richard27182, either manually for each page or all automatically by for example adding {{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Richard27182/}}. Edits to your user page are also visible to others who view the page. The JavaScript method would only affect you. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:32, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm still *very* new to all this and still have a lot to learn.  What I really need to know for the moment is this: will it cause any significant problems if I use my User talk:Richard27182/sandbox as a regular sandbox as long as I avoid having ''{{User sandbox}}" anywhere in the wiki code it contains?  I plan to eventually understand all this stuff about how the various spaces work, how to create additional sandboxes that are as easy to access as my regular sandbox(es) (User: and User talk:), etc.  But at this *very* early point in my Wikipedia editing "career," most of this is still foreign to me.  So my basic question is:
For the time being, will it cause any seroius problems if I use User talk:Richard27182/sandbox the same way I use User:Richard27182/sandbox, assuming I avoid having ''{{User sandbox}}" appear in the code it contains?
Richard27182 (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Richard27182, no doing that won't (or at least probably won't cause "significant problems". A few things might work differently if you are experimenting with template code. Ordinary wiki markup should work the same. Doing that might cause confusion to others working with you, and is not really a best practice, but it won't harm anything. DES (talk) 00:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Richard27182: You said you don't understand the concept of namespaces. Imagine you have a house. In the house you have a kitchen for cooking, a dining room for eating, a bathroom for pooping, a living room for entertaining company, and a bedroom for sleeping. Each room has a different purpose. Now, if I went to your house and tried to eat in the living room you might ask me politely to eat in the dining room. Likewise if I tried to cook in the bathroom it wouldn't work very well. If I tried to poop in the bed room you'd probably throw me out. On Wikipedia the different namespaces are like different rooms in a house. Each namespace has a purpose, and if you try to use them for things other than their purpose it won't go over very well; at best causing confusion (eating in the living room), at worst causing major problems (pooping in the bedroom). Article space looks like Example and is for articles that are ready to be presented to the public. Draft space looks like Draft:Example and is for drafts that aren't yet ready to go live. User space looks like User:Example and is for you to tell people about your self and your Wikipedia activities and interests. Talk space looks like Talk:Example or User Talk:Example and is for talking about an article or talking with a user - discussing how to develop a page. Wikipedia space looks like WP:Example and is for promulgating rules and guidelines and discussing the process of building an encyclopedia. Sandboxes are for practicing, playing around with wiki code and wiki markup. Make sense? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

    I think I understand the concept of namespaces, but I'm not sure if I understand how they actually function,  ie, exactly what the System does with them.  For example, are there "spaces" that can only be accessed by some editors?  Or are certain "spaces" automatically archived while others are not.  Or do certain wiki codes or templates function one way in some "spaces" and differently in others?  Unless the System running Wikipedia itself somehow makes some distinction concerning what is and is not done with different "spaces," then I don't understand why they exist in the first place.  And by extension, don't understand what would be undesirable about using User talk:Richard27182/sandbox for editing practice, since no one besides me would be accessing it to begin with.
    UNLESS............. Is it possible that there is some way editors can automatically search all of Talkspace for changes (to see what new topics are being discussed); and if I've used User talk:Richard27182/sandbox for editing practice then that editing practice would show up along with all the new discussions (on talk pages)?   If that's the case then I understand everything.   And if that's the case then I should be able to avoid the problem by never hitting "Save page" when edit practicing in User talk:Richard27182/sandbox, since this would avoid changing anything in Talkspace to begin with.  Did I end up figuring this out for myself, or am I way off base?  I'm pretty sure it's one or the other.  Please let me know which it is.  (And if I'm wrong, you'll probably at least have a better understanding of why I'm confused.)
Richard27182 (talk) 10:43, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Richard27182, By default, templates and most other aspects of the system function in the same way in all namespaces. However, a template can detect the namespace where it is being used, and be coded to function differently in different namespaces. {{Userspace draft}} is one such template. Searches can be limited to a particular namespace or set of namespaces. Anyone can edit in any namespace, but unregistered and unconfirmed users cannot create new pages in the article namespace. Many talk pages are automatically archived, but this must be set up for each such page.
Mostly the different namespaces serve as a sorting device, to indicate what sort of things to expect on a page. Mainspace pages are for articles; Wikipedia pages are for policies, guidelines, essays and administrative pages that help the project function (such as WP:AFD); Draft pages are for articles in the process of being created, not yet ready for general view; user pages are for work by a particular user; Category pages are for grouping other pages. Each of these will have its corresponding talk namespace.
One of the ways in which the system does react to namespaces is that pretty much all pages come in pairs -- every page in a non-talk namespace has a (possibly empty) page in the corresponding talk namespace. So an article (in "mainspace") has a talk page in the Talk: namespce; a user page (in User:) has a user talk page (in the user talk namespace); a project page like this one (in the Wikipedia: namespace) has its talk page (in the Wikipedia Talk: namespace), and so on. In all cases the talk page is used to discuss the corresponding page and what goes on it, except for the very special case of the main user talk page, which is intended to communicate with the user. But all talk pages are designed to be used for communication among users. When a page is moved or deleted, the corresponding talk page (usually) goes with it. I hope this helps explain things a bit. DES (talk) 22:46, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Who created a deleted page?[edit]

What tool can I use to find out who was the author of a page that was deleted? I know that there is a tool, I saw it once, but I forgot the name, and now I can't find it. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:18, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

You can ask an admin like me. I don't know a general non-admin tool for pages, only Special:Log/upload for files. Help:What links here for a deleted page will often have a link to a user talk page where the author was notified. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:16, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
(e/c) If you know the exact name of the page, you can navigate to the now deleted page and click on "what links here" to see if the page was mentioned on their talk page. You can also search the user talk namespace for that (in quotes if more than one word) or an exact but partial title match being mentioned in a notification to someone of the deletion – most creators are informed on their talk pages upon a page being tagged for deletion, with the name of the page included in the notification. For example (using a page deleted almost ten years ago), if I wanted to find who was the author of "testosterone (band)" I would find the warning to the creator via this search. The history of deleted pages is only available to administrators and others with higher permissions. Sorry, I know of no tool.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter and Fuhghettaboutit: Thanks a lot for taking time to answer me. I know all those methods, of course. But I think I saw a tool that can be used to determinate who was the author of a page that is now deleted. There are many Wikipedia mirror sites (like deletionpedia) that keep data about deleted Wikipedia pages, so the tool I'm asking for seams quite possible to exist. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:22, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
It may exist but as I said I don't know of it. I almost never touch another person post but I have unlinked above. Sites like that are an abomination. They are containment vessel for the enshrinement of, among others, scads of actionable defamatory content and copyright violations and should not be linked.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:42, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


Forgive the elementary nature of this question, but when I "ping" someone in the midst of a comment on a Talk page, as in User1, where/how does that show up -- as simply a red "notification" number next to his username atop the page? And, if so, what is the notification -- a link to the Talk comment? Or, instead, will the entire comment appear on his Talk page? (What I want is that he see the comment.) Thanks very much. Charles J. Hanley 15:30, 24 May 2015 (UTC) Cjhanley (talk)

Cjhanley, I just pinged you, see what shows up for you. Normally, this shows up in the notification box, a red box with a white number (if there is at least one notification, it is grey if there are none). A user can change they way this displays for him- or herself, but few do change it. When user clicks on the box, a list of recent notifications is displayed, and for pings it will indicate the username of the user who created the ping, along with a link to the section where it was done. I don't think you can change how a ping to another user will appear. If you want that user to see a specific text, then leave a message on that user's user talk page. DES (talk) 15:44, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
That's great, DES. Thanks so much. Charles J. Hanley 15:56, 24 May 2015 (UTC) Cjhanley (talk)
@Cjhanley: also note that the ping only works if the 1) ping template with 2) the exact spelling and case of the actual user account name are 3) completed in the same save action as a fresh signature. If you miss any one of those three and go back to "fix it" in another edit, the ping will not work. If someone pings me with @TPROD aka The Red Pen of Doom: , I will not get a message because that is not my username. ---- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

ref error problem[edit]

List of cocaine analogues

@ ref # five it says "Cite error: The named reference Singh was invoked but never defined (see the help page)."

But it is defined just the same as every other linked instance of it! The same name in the code and all.

AnomieBOT (talk | contribs)‎ came through and took out all of the citations, and I undid the revision, and now that one won't show right. It was fine before. The strange thing, is, that in the history of the article, it still shows that as having a cite error, when it didn't used to.

Please help, Nagelfar (talk) 18:30, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Nagelfar. I can see many references to <ref name=Singh /> but the one that actually defines that reference (which will have the form <ref name=Singh>...</ref> appears to have been removed at some point. --ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Nagelfar. I think ColinFine was mistaken. The problem was that this uses both standard references (with the <ref> tag) and a notelist with {{efn}}, and those notes include their own references. The reference list for the notes is separate from the regular ref list, and an item defined in one cannot simply be referred to by name from the other. I duplicated the content of the "Singh" reference at the first non-notes use of it, and changed all other non-notes references to the new name "Singh2". Note that this problem has been present sicne the notelist was first introduced to the article, back in march of this year with this edit. DES (talk) 20:57, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much DESiegel. Your effort in correcting this is extremely appreciated. I've been nursing this particular article for nigh seven years. It was fine before, but just recently that one citation went kaput. Nagelfar (talk) 22:59, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

how come my {insert question here}[edit]

How come a wikipedia account doesn't transfer to another version? FamilycomputerFTW (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, FamilycomputerFTW. It can do - see WP:Unified login. --ColinFine (talk) 19:04, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Based on your user name, FamilycomputerFTW , note that a Wikipedia account is for an individual, not a family. Each person using that family computer for editing Wikipedia will need their own personal account. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:07, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
The userpage suggests that the term "familycomputer" is a reference to the Famicom, not a group of people. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:39, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Trying to remove bias in article on G. Edward Griffin[edit]

NAC:OP blocked for reasons described. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I have changed the wording several times just to remove the bias...not change the facts. Someone keeps editing it back. They use 4-5 different names, however I believe it to be the same person as it's always within a minute or so and it's always the exact same wording as previously. If it cannot be changed so that it contains no bias then that leads me to believe most articles are biased so I will have to quit referring to Wikipedia ...and will instruct friends & family of the problems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

As multiple editors have explained, stopping you from inserting your personal bias and restoring the article to its sourced form is not inserting bias. As I have pointed out, your accusations of sockpuppetry (from a "govt defamation dept," no less) are just plain paranoid.
Your edits have gone from biased to sheer vandalism. By all means, leave the site and discourage anyone who thinks like you to stay away from it as well. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
To clarify what Ian Thomson has written, the IP is inserting non-neutral material non-consensus material. Multiple respected editors keep reverting the article. The IP doesn't recognize them as multiple respected editors and thinks that they are the same person. The IP has now taken to inserting attacks against the editors into the body of the article. Attacks in a talk page are a civility violation, but inserting attacks into the article itself is an unusual form of vandalism. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

talk page[edit]

what do I do if someone is leaving unwanted notes on my talk page?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:52, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

You may remove them. Ruslik_Zero 19:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
can I block them from my page?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
You may ban them from posting to your talk page. Certain required notices, such as notice that they have reported you to a noticeboard, override a user-imposed talk page ban. Other than that, if you have banned them from your talk page, continuing to post to it is considered disruptive editing. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I see that you already have been deleting the unwanted posts. However, before banning anyone from unwanted posts, please consider that they may really be offering you reasonable advice. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:20, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
that is true... but how could that be if ive never spoken to this individual at any article talk page or article??--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:21, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
It is extremely common for the first interaction between Editor A and Editor B to be on B's talk page, where A is seeking to offer suggestions, ask questions, issue warnings, or otherwise interact in order to improve the encyclopedia (just as I am now here at the Help Desk). --Orange Mike | Talk 21:20, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

May 25[edit]


good morning im emailing to see how do I make a page on this site .im PhD physicist with ground breaking work within the medical field I am the only medical doctor o physics in the uk so people need to know about me and my life saving work thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanglenn (talkcontribs) 01:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@Vanglenn: Basically, you dont. Wikipedia is not a place to publish your original ideas nor to utilize as an advertising platform. When/If third party reliable sources have discussed your new idea in depth it may qualify as an article subject, but even then because of your close connection, you shouldnt be directly involved in creating or editing it. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Wikipedia is not the place for making autobiographies, see WP:AUTO, and also not the place to publish your original research, see WP:OR If nobody has created an article about you, it is likely that you aren't notable enough for Wikipedia- we require evidence of significant, independent coverage from reliable sources, per WP:GNG and WP:BIO. However, if you believe that you are notable, then Wikipedia: Article Wizard gives step-by-step guidance on creating a draft article, which can be submitted via WP:AFC for review. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:44, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Notability of late medieval MPs[edit]

Pages that list historic MPs like this; Lincolnshire (UK Parliament constituency) provide links to each MP no matter whether a page for them exists or not. Should there really be pages for each and every MP? When you get to the early ones information is scarce to find (although perhaps that is a reason for them having a page?) so the page is never going to be comprehensive, with probably just a a few sketchy details. Thanks. Sliven2000 (talk) 07:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The answer is yes. The reason why is WP:REDLINK - X201 (talk) 09:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
In terms of encouraging more content the answer is definitely yes but still not 100% sure about what it says re. "Articles should not have red links to topics that do not warrant an article". Some MPs did something notable, a lot may have just turned up and slept through their term, i.e. some MPs were not noteable apart from being an MP. Sliven2000 (talk) 20:48, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
An elected MP is automatically notable per WP:NPOLITICIAN. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:POLITICIAN: "(People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards...) Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature. This also applies to persons who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them." In practice we seem to regard anyone holding national office as being inherently notable. Rwessel (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
All true, but that guideline is not really designed for a person who held legislative office in say the 1300s to 1600s, when the chance of their being sources is not nearly as hgh. Many MPs even at that time were celarly notable and articles about them have been written, but ones not mentioned in surviving sources may be forever redlinks, and perhaps should not n linked. DES (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
In the case I am thinking of they were more of a soldier than an MP, taking part in the Anglo-Norman invasion of Scotland under the Prince of Wales (not Charles!), being made a Knight of the Bath at the Feast of the Swans, taking part in the Dunstable Tournament, Commissioner of the Peace, etc., and being a strong contender to be "the Knight of Norham Castle" who is thought to be the original inspiration for Walter Scott's poem, Marmion. I was toying with the idea of making a combined page for the "Knight of Norham Castle" and the MP but think there is enough grounds to keep them as separate (but linked) articles. This keeps some distance between them to make clear that it is unproven that the two men were the same. Does this sound reasonable? Sliven2000 (talk) 06:47, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I concur: keep them separate, but mention in both the articles the hypothesis that they may have been the same. As to the original question: I feel very strongly that all members of the Mother of Parliaments are even more than ordinarily notable. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks all; separate pages it is then, Sliven2000 (talk) 06:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


I would like to add information about various shopping malls and their specific locations within the city. Is this possible? and to what extent should I go without violating your terms and condition?Megaproperties (talk) 09:27, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@Megaproperties: Wikipedia is not a directory or business listing. In order to be listed, a subject must first be notable enough for inclusion. For a mall, WP:CORP might be the closest to a specific set of notability requirements. In general, malls are seldom notable enough for an article. In general, places must have been written or reported about by reliable and independent sources. Also, if you have a professional connection to these malls, then you have a conflict of interest and may find it hard to write a neutral article without any promotional language. Dismas|(talk) 10:37, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Remember: Wikipedia is not a directory, nor a guidebook, but rather an encyclopedia; a catalog of the sort you describe has no place in an encyclopedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

My Wiki Page[edit]

NAC: Post by banned user. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

My Wikipedia page is continually being edited with false information and non-links. Discuss it on talk page endlessly and cannot get help. Please assist. Ronn Torossian (talk) 10:20, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Stop WP:FORUMSHOPPING, this is already being discussed at WP:ANI. I also believe that Ronn Torossian has been banned from Wikipedia for repeated sock/meatpuppetry. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Anthony Randolph (economist)[edit]

Dear Help Desk

I have created a page in Wikipedia on the historian Anthony Randolph Bridbury. However, the name of the page is displaying as Anthony Randolph (economist). How can I correct this error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron stewart barnes (talkcontribs) 10:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@Cameron stewart barnes: There is already an article at Anthony Randolph, which was why the "(economist)" was added. You could move it (see WP:RM), but cannot move it to Anthony Randolph, as another article exists- you could move it to Anthony Randolph Bridbury, which seems like a better name. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:59, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I added a hatnote to Anthony Randolph. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 11:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Actually, he seems most widely published and referred to as A. R. Bridbury so I have moved the article there. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Old drafts[edit]

Is there any way to find the oldest pages in the Draft namespace? (I mean the entire namespace, tagged or untagged pages.) :/ — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 11:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is the right place to ask, but try WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I did figure out how to find when the Draft namespace was created. It was around December 2013. That doesn't really help much.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:37, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks to incorrect advice given in The Teahouse, I can say that draft space replaced the article incubator in January 2014.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

What can we do for overlooked articles?[edit]

An article about a rather notable subject isn’t getting nearly the attention it deserves, with nearly all recent edits being infrequent IP vandalism or ineptitude. What’s the best way(s) to call more editors’ attention to such an article? — (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

If I may assume you're referring to The Walking Dead (comic book), I think a majority of editors would consider it, as pop culture, relatively insignificant in the larger scheme of things, and that's why it's not getting the attention you feel it deserves. It has 183 watchers, but I guess the active ones are mostly readers who don't edit. As to your specific question, I don't know of a way to "advertise" an article. ―Mandruss  12:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
You can become part of a Wikiproject and let them know about the article. If it is the Walking Dead comic as suggested above Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics would be a good place to start. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
And if the vandalism is particularly persistent, rampant or of particularly inappropriate nature (such as violations of our policies about living people) you can request the page be protected at WP:RPP (although that would also mean that you as an IP editor would not be able to edit and you would need to create an account - which is free, easy and more anonymous than your IP. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:46, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The page heading does not correspond to the page title?[edit]

In the web browser, in the tab area where it says the title of the page, this article is labeled as "temperature" instead of "Curie temperature." I don't know how to fix this. Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Curie temperature StainlessSteelScorpion (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@StainlessSteelScorpion: What is your browser and your language setting at Special:Preferences? For me in Firefox with English in preferences it says "Curie temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" (only the beginning is visible on a browser tab). This is what most browsers will probably display, since the generated html contains <title>Curie temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</title>. <title>...</title> is mentioned at the end of HTML element#Document head elements. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Strange: after closing a few tabs, the "Curie" came into view. I use Safari and English. When I open more tabs again, it still says Curie, and cuts of the "the free encyclopedia" stuff instead. Must be a glitch with Safari. StainlessSteelScorpion (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that sounds like a browser glitch. I guess it displayed the start when the tab was originally opened but the tab was later narrowed and/or moved when more tabs were opened, and Safari displayed the wrong part. The full title should be visible when you hover over the tab. If you have a lot of tabs then the right end may have a ">>" icon you can click to show all full titles at the same time. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

confirmation code invalid[edit]

It keeps saying my confirmation code is invalid. What should i do? Could u please fix it!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stasia Bollinger (talkcontribs) 14:44, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Stasia Bollinger, Wikipedia hasn't got any mind-readers. What are you trying to do when it (whatever "it" is in this instance) keeps saying this? --ColinFine (talk) 15:17, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I guess you are trying to confirm an email address by clicking a link in a mail. Some email programs may break the confirmation link into two lines or not use the whole link when you click it. If that happens, please copy all parts of the link together into the browser address bar. You can also request a new mail at Special:ConfirmEmail. Note that it's optional to give an email address and most users never or rarely use email. You can edit just fine without it, but if you forget your password then you will need a working email address. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:26, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Login problems[edit]

Need to login in to my talktalk acount but can't remember my gmail or password then I signed up is there any other way off login — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

This is not talktalk so I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. —teb728 t c 18:04, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Memorial Day flags[edit]

Memorial Day, I'm a veteran and just walked through a cemetary in Santa Monica on Pico and 14 th st.and seen 200 about free masons graves all had the US flag, I thought only veterans got a flag. by the way I just found out today that Memorial Day was started by free slaves, maybe they should get the free flag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:18, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

this is a page to ask questions about how to use Wikipedia. Do you have such a question?
If you have questions about the Memorial Day history or flag etiquette you can go to the reference desk -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


I am terribly sorry but I have to change my email address because I am changing my ISP provider. I have searched and searched and cannot seem to find the area I can do this change.. I will remain open here until I receive a message up in my box directing me if you could so that I can change this and finalize my email business with Westnet ISP Thank you Mary Ellen ( Mezza Rabble) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Please click here to access your Preferences, then choose Email options and Change email address. Dwpaul Talk 23:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Also please note that you must log in to your Wikipedia account in order to edit your preferences. Part of the reason you didn't see an option to change your email address at the time you left your message above is that you were not logged in to your account. Dwpaul Talk 00:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

May 26[edit]

Sandbox vs talk[edit]

What is the difference between talk and sandbox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokawn (talkcontribs) 07:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Mokawn, a sandbox is a page for experimenting with wiki markup, or any aspect of how to use the wiki. Its content need not be meaningful, and often aren't intended to be read by anyone else. A talk page is intended for discussion betweeen Wikipedia users. A parricular user's user talk page is intended for other users to leave messages for that user, and for that user to respond. An article talk page is used to discuss what should be in an article, and how the article can or should be imporoved. In fact a sandbox page can have its own talk page, althoguh such pages are rarely used, excpet when a sandbox is being used to hold a draft article. DES (talk) 07:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

According to the answer from the "what is the difference between talk and sandbox", if I create a new article, I should write on talk. And using sandbox for my draft, isn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokawn (talkcontribs) 08:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mokawn; I don't quite understand your last question, but I'll try and answer with an example. Suppose you want to create an article on Gzmplt (whatever that is). There are various places you could create it. You could create it directly in article space, as Gzmplt - but I wouldn't recommend that unless you are very certain of your Wikipedia skills. I would recommend you use the Article wizard, which will create it for you at Draft:Gzmplt. Or you could create it in a user sandbox, at User:Mokawn/Gzmplt or User:Mokan/Sandbox (the last of these is where the 'Sandbox' link at the top of the screen points). All of these are good; and none of them is a talk page. (And all of them are red-links, because none of them actually exists!)
Whichever of these you use, there will be (potentially) a corresponding talk page, which you or others can use to discuss the page you are creating.
Does that make things clearer? --ColinFine (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)




HELP ME TO PUBLISH MY PAGE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rama Net Expert (talkcontribs) 08:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, but please don't SHOUT. You question has been answered at User talk:Rama Net Expert, and at User:Rama Net Expert/sandbox. In each case, wikilinks have been provided to give you more detailed guidance. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:26, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@Rama Net Expert: To put it differently, your draft has only Ram Lal's name and photo. What is lacking is text explaining why he is important enough to have an encyclopedia article about him, together with verification of that text from references independent reliable sources. —teb728 t c 05:47, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Eliminating frame around Annotated image[edit]

Is there a way to eliminate the frame that appears around an Annotated image? (I want to put an Annotated image into a context -- an infobox -- that already has a frame.) I might hypothesize that it could be done with either the "image-css" or "outer-css" parameter, but I don't know enough about them or CSS itself to know how. (talk) 11:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Possibly there is no way to do that – the template description (Template:Annotated image) does not mention any parameter to switch the frame off. --CiaPan (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
However, you can download the image, crop it yourself and upload back the cropped version (under a new name and appropriate license) to Commons, then simply use it without {{Annotated image}}, just by
   {{Infobox person
     | name      = Luke Halpin
     | image     = Flipper_Halpin_Norden_1965_cropped.jpg
     | caption   = Luke Halpin, May 1965
     | ...
12:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)~
Thanks, but I'd like to regard the question as still open to anyone who does know whether there actually is a way (probably using "image-css" or "outer-css"). If there is not, I simply won't worry about the extraneous frame; it's not that serious, not worth the additional image upload. (talk) 13:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
There is {{CSS image crop}} but an extra upload of a relevant cropping is much better than trying to use such templates which may have varying results in different circumstances. For example, the mobile version looks awful on my screen where the whole uncropped image is displayed on top of the lead section and infobox text fields. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, that does make a difference. For now, as an "emergency measure", I'll revert to the previous picture until I have the opportunity to prepare the pre-cropped version. Too bad, 'cause Annotated images are nominally promoted as a way to avoid such a necessity, on the Template: Annotated image page. What's really needed is to debug image-cropping in the mobile version. (And for the record, what I saw when I viewed the mobile-version link was not even the ENTIRE image -- it basically had the horizontal cropping more or less correct, but no vertical cropping; but maybe that's the difference between viewing it on a non-mobile platform, and on a genuine mobile platform.) Alas, I find the process of submitting images rather a pain in the bleep. (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Additionally, it happens sometimes, somebody decides to 'fix' the already uploaded image by cropping or zooming it and uploading under the same name. Then the 'Annotated image' template will show a wrong part of contents with no warning. --CiaPan (talk) 08:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text[edit]

I have noticed error messages for citations that were rendered correctly at the time they were added, but have recently started displaying with an error message (for example, Lift (force) Adverse yaw). I see above that other users (Nagelfar) have noted the same problem. There are articles that list nested references together in the same list as un-nested references. Is this still allowed? How can these errors be fixed? Burninthruthesky (talk) 11:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC) I see this was also raised at Template talk:Refn by Redrose64. Meanwhile, X201 has reverted changes at lift (force) by AnomieBOT, which has simply shifted the error into the reflist. Whatever central change has been made, I am seeing some disruption as a result, and there is probably much more I'm not aware of. Burninthruthesky (talk) 15:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

For the benefit of anyone interested, I have learned that a bug report has been raised at phabricator:T100477. Burninthruthesky (talk) 06:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref : I wanted to cite the US Census 2009-2013 , Ancestry citation for zipcodes 19145;19146;19147;19148[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wf547 (talkcontribs) 16:09, 26 May 2015‎ (UTC)

I see that you made some edits to South Philadelphia. One of the edits had <ref> and </ref> tags with nothing enclosed and has been reverted. What is the question? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Norma Howard[edit]

Reference help requested.

I don't understand how to fix the references. Can you point me to a help page?

Thanks, KarenTMo (talk) 15:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

KarenTMo, The referencing on the article at this time looks fine, except that additional inline cites would be a good idea. One note, when citing a newspaper, magazine, or website that has a name/title for the overall work with {{cite web}} or {{cite news}}, use the work= parameter rather than the publisher= parameter for that name. Use publisher= for the name of the corporation or entity that owns and publishes the periodical or site. Often if work= is provided, publisher= is not needed. This isn't a huge matter, but the value of work= is shown in italics , which is proper for the overall title of the containing work such as a newspaper or magazine. See Referencing for Beginners and Citing sources for more help. DES (talk) 16:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref[edit]

I am trying to correct a portion of this article. I am however unable to add my sources correctlty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorge H. Estevez (talkcontribs) 13:14, 26 May 2015‎

Jorge H. Estevez, it looks as if you were attempting to add citations to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Citations are enclosed in a pair of <ref></ref> tags. Inside these tags should be the content of the citation, which should identify the source and the place in the source that supports the text. Citation tempaltes such as {{cite web}} and {{cite book}} can be used for this, but are not at all required. See Referencing for Beginners and then Citing Sources for more information. i hope this helps. DES (talk) 17:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh I should mention, ref tags should not be nested. That is, after the opening tag should come the content of the citation and then the closing tag, with no other ref tag until after the closing tag of the first citation. DES (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Problem with citation[edit]

Hi, I'm not sure which of the various citation-related talk pages this should go on. Can anyone see a fault in my formatting of Ranjan, She et al. (2013), "Crimes Against Women in India", in Unnithan, N. Prabha, Crime and Justice in India, SAGE Publications, ISBN 978-8-13210-977-8   ? I'm suspecting a bug, which is causing the author's first name to render as She et al rather than Sheetal. Before I embarrass myself among the techies, at whatever talk page they may haunt, I would appreciate it if someone could check. - Sitush (talk) 17:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

That's weird... ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
You can use <nowiki>Sheetal</nowiki> to avoid the problem, but yeah - that's weird. GermanJoe (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Poor coding in Module:Citation/CS1, where the coding of the regexp for detecting an "et al." string in an author parameter treats the space character between "et" and "al" as optional, and doesn't demand a word boundary before the "et", so any name that ends in the characters "etal" in any form will be parsed into an "et al." mark. It's in the code line that says:
local pattern = ",? *'*[Ee][Tt] *[Aa][Ll][%.']*$"
You might want to report it at Module talk:Citation/CS1 and ask them to put in a "\w" (word boundary check) at the beginning of the regexp or something of the sort. Fut.Perf. 18:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Reported as suggested. Thanks for narrowing down the problem area, FPaS. - Sitush (talk) 18:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Referencing at Jay Frank Schamberg[edit]

I am try to improve my article entitled Jay Frank Schamberg. Three of my references look like this:

  • Cite error: The named reference Kraut was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Cite error: The named reference Steen was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Cite error: The named reference Friedman.2Fpp_287-316 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

My question is how do I define these references.

Thank you for your help.

Jay Schamberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschamberg (talkcontribs) 19:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Somebody has already fixed it. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:04, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Jschamberg, You have slightlky misunderstood how the <ref></ref> tags work.
  1. The basic form is <ref>Content of citation here</ref>
  2. If a cite is to be used in more than one place in an article, the form <ref name="CiteNm">Content of citation here</ref> may be used.
  3. then other identical cites may be represented as <ref name="CiteNm" /> which will make an additional reference to the same source as the full citation using CiteNm. But there must be exactly one cite that uses a pair of ref tags and full details for each separate named cite, that is, for each specific value of the name= parameter in a ref tag.
Please see Referencing for Beginners for more details, and then Citing Sources for fuller details, or ask again here if this is not clear. I have corrected some of the citations on Jay Frank Schamberg. DES (talk) 20:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, Jschamberg if, as your user name suggests, Jay Frank Schamberg was a relative of yours, you should read WP:COI and perhaps declare your connection at Talk:Jay Frank Schamberg. I don't see a serious problem here, but transparency in such matters is always better. DES (talk) 20:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Infobox difficulties[edit]

Lumena For this article I can't figure out why the infobox doesn't display all information including HQ city. Muzzleflash (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The infobox in Lumena is generated by Template:Infobox_company, which does not support "HQ city", though it supports hq_location_city. Maproom (talk) 21:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I see that you have in fact specified "| hq_location_city = Sichuan", which seems to me correct (apart from Sichuan not being a city), and it still doesn't work. I am puzzled. Maproom (talk) 21:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@Muzzleflash: It's not your fault. The hq_location code of {{Infobox_company}} broke today after this edit by User:Alakzi to another template. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Fixed and apologies - that was rather careless of me. Alakzi (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@Alakzi: [1] said "Tempkate:Comma separated entries" with 'k' in "Tempkate". Was that it? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:26, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it was. >.< Alakzi (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


How do I make a disclosure about a possible COI? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschamberg (talkcontribs) 21:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

See here. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 21:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Jschamberg, edit the talk page, in this case Talk:Jay Frank Schamberg. Add a section with a meaningful title, such as "Possible conflict of interest" or "Relationship". (a section title is placed alone on a line and flanked by paired equals signs, see WP:SECTION.) Describe your relation or connection to the article subject. Sign the comment with four tildes (~~~~). The software will replace these with your signature, which normally includes your user name and a link to your user and/or user talk pages. In that way, other editors will know that your user name has a particular connection with the subject, and can bear this in mind when it might be relevant. DES (talk) 21:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Citing Excel file[edit]

Hi all! I would like to cite an Excel file I found online, but I'd prefer not to have only the bare Excel link -- because if that's all there is, readers won't be able to assess its credibility. Here is the best reference I have come up with so far: [ "Cuadro 11" [Table 11]] (.xls). In {{cite web|title=Resultados Finales Básicos|trans-title=Basic Final Results|url=|publisher=Contraloría General de la República|accessdate=26 May 2015|language=Spanish}} which gives: "Cuadro 11" [Table 11] (.xls). In "Resultados Finales Básicos" [Basic Final Results] (in Spanish). Contraloría General de la República. Retrieved 26 May 2015.  Does anyone have a better way of doing this? Is there some sort of cite web functionality I've missed and could be using? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Excel files are not reliably published sources -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 08:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't see why an excel file can't be a reliable source, TRPoD, if it is on a reliable website. If I'm interpreting correctly, Calliopejen1, this is on the site of the Panamanian government, so its status is no different from if they had presented the data in a table directly on a web-page: a primary source. As for how to format the citation: I've no better solution. --ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
oops i didnt see it was an official government site. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 09:13, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

May 27[edit]

question re deletion[edit]


I have created a page called Katerina Pospisilova but it is suggested for a deletion. I have provided supporting reference Please advise how to proceed so the page is not deleted.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Fan of Katerina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cumpeska (talkcontribs) 21:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The IMDB reference is insufficient to establish that this person meets our notability guidelines - we need evidence of significant coverage in multiple third-party published reliable sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
After a speedy deletion tag was placed on the article, you removed it repeatedly. this is not permitted, and will not prevent deletion. You also seem to have creted a page on the same person with the samei nformation under a somewhat differnt spelling (with Czech diacritical marks). This sort of approach to prevent deletion will not work either. Both have been deleted, and both title protected to stop further re-creation. Wikipedia is not a fan site. DGG ( talk ) 05:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
DGG, I point out that I removed the speedy deletion tag on the article, because in my judgement it was not an A7, as a plausible claim of significance had been made in the article. There wasn't enough there yet to survive AfD of course, and I am not asserting that the person was notable, as I hadn't had time to do a search for possible sources. But I should like to know on what grounds a page was speedy deleted, and then salted, after an experienced good-faith uninvolved editor had removed the speedy tag, posting an edit summery (and IIRC on the talk page as well) that a claim of significance was present? DES (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Disclosing a possible COI[edit]

How can I disclose a possible COI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschamberg (talkcontribs) 21:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Answered above- please refrain from asking the same question multiple times. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


This user has added external links to dozens of articles that lead to the UC Santa Cruz digital collections. Is that OK, or is that considered spamming? What if the user is affiliated with UC Santa Cruz and is trying to promote its collections? (talk) 22:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

All the links appear to go to images of historical figures, and all were added to articles about those people. It might have been better had these not been done in a rush, b ut none of the ones I looked at seemed inappropriate or against policy to me. DES (talk) 01:03, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Couple of users have asked them about it at their talkpage too. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:05, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

1956 Births.[edit]

I know 2 people who were born in 1956 who are not on the list.

Richard Alan Proctor. 29 Febuary. Derby.

Tina Melinda Snooks, (myself.) 31 August. S.E. Hackney, London. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:52, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Those lists are basically limited to people who have articles on Wikipedia (WP:WTAF). Neither does, and I don't know if either is notable enough to support an article. Rwessel (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can see, neither person has a Wikipedia article. Only people notable enough to have a Wikipedia article are added to these lists. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi I am a new user and I wanted to know how to help out.[edit]

--Icyeti (talk) 00:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)Hi I just joined and I wanted to know how to start helping out, I also wanted to know about that voting thing and how I can become a good editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icyeti (talkcontribs) 00:21, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Icyeti. A good place to start is at WP:WELCOME. Rwessel (talk) 00:51, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

how to download the wikipedia app.[edit]

Hello, I am a computer ...dammy person ( or begginer ). If it is allowed, I need help how to download the wikipedia app into my now computer. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:39, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

If you are using a desktop computer, there is no app, just use the website. While Google Chrome can install and run some Android apps, it does not yet support the official Wikipedia app from the Wikimedia foundation.
There is a Wikipedia app for tablets and phones, which you would get by visiting the relevant app store on your tablet or phone. Make sure that the app is from the Wikimedia foundation, because other apps are likely by folks who want to use Wikipedia to advertise (or worse, misuse your information). Ian.thomson (talk) 02:01, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Leader of the free world[edit]

I think you might need a full squad of people, and by the way hello from the real leader of the free world, to help rewrite this page so let's roll up those the meantime you could check out my work @ leader of the free world, les mackenzie05:14, 27 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesliemackenzie69 (talkcontribs)

The article Leader of the Free World was deleted in 2011. If the above is intended as a question about using Wikipedia, I have no idea what it is asking. Maproom (talk) 07:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Jeff Teague's Weight[edit]

How can Jeff Teague weigh more then dwight howard when dwight is like 40cm taller and more built. Change Jeff's weight info I think its just 100 lb's off. Have a good day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:42, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. Reverted back to the original value in Jeff Teague (basketball). GermanJoe (talk) 07:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Is there a list of Wikipedia articles that were rejected/deleted, which with a bit of editing could become wiki-worthy?[edit]

Is there a list of wiki articles that were rejected from the encyclopedia? I thought it might be interesting to try and edit rejected articles to get them wiki-worthy and put back into the encyclopedia. Thanks.Donna Helene (talk) 08:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

This is an excellent question. I think the answer is "yes there is, such help will be most welcome". The editors at the Articles for Creation talk page should be able to give a fuller answer. Maproom (talk) 09:03, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Hey Donna. One really important point of focus here I would think (both so that you don't waste your time, and so that we get rehabilitation of content we actually want) is that you look for topics that are notable and which have been rejected either because that notability has not been demonstrated by citations to reliable secondary sources, but those sources do indeed exist and are available to you, or have been rejected on other grounds but the sources we need to be cited exist – everything ultimately redounds to that query: do sufficient, reliable secondary sources exist from which an article with verifiable content can be written? You can take an article with terrible prose, original research and non-neutral language and reform and polish it to a stunning reflection, and it will still be deletion fodder if notability cannot be demonstrated and the content is unverifiable. In addition to declined AfCs (maybe target those declined as non-notable and see if they really are by looking for sources (many declined AfCs are undiscovered copyvios, I would check before getting too deep in adding citations and rewriting prose that was tainted from the start), you might look at articles listed in Category:Proposed deletion, as well as recent articles for deletion discussions, where the consensus developing appears to be in the vein of 'poorly written but actually notable'. There are also tons of articles that we already have but are mere placeholders for real content. Digging in there is always appreciated. See the Wikipedia:Community portal for a categorized list of possibilities. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:45, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
That would be "the content cannot be shown to be unverifiable" I suppose? DES (talk) 23:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Indeed! Fixed. Thanks--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:34, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Referencing problem[edit]

In the Brandur Olsen article I entered a citation from a Faroese site for verification. The problem is that the url contains brackets and can't be displayed properly by reflist (citation #4). Any suggestions? Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 09:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@Hansi667: I don't know about the brackets question, but you can shorten the url to the preceding if that gives you what you want. ―Mandruss  09:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Hansi667. If you need brackets in a URL, you can encode them as %5b and %5d respectively. See Help:URL. --ColinFine (talk) 09:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
@Mandruss: and @ColinFine: thank you both. The first comment solved this particular problem and the second could be used when facing the same problem in the future. Kudos for your comments!. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 10:42, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


Hi, can anyone tell me whether the list which I have put at the Rajiv Gandhi#Institutions named after Gandhi section is allowed or not. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 10:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Lists should contain notable entries - everything on there except the Rajiv Gandhi National Institute of Intellectual Property Management already has an article (and the RGNIoIPM could probably support an article), so yes, I think the list is appropriate. Yunshui  10:25, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Seems appropriate, the list is relevant to the article, and only seems to contain notable entries. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:26, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


Can you help me on how to upload I am a new user and don't know how to use it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rizzy Ahmed (talkcontribs) 13:45, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

What are you trying to upload?Naraht (talk) 14:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Not encyclopedic titles[edit]

Is there any boards for discussing whether a title is encyclopedic or not? Thanks. Mhhossein (talk) 14:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I would say the article's Talk page would be a good starting point; you can solicit additional input from any project pages that the article may fall under. If there's no discussion after a reasonable amount of time, and you don't feel it's likely to be a contentious move, go ahead and move the article at that point. If you think it is likely to be a contentious move, you may want to bring it up at WP:RM#CM. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 14:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Order of Riddell disamb page[edit]

The Riddell (disambiguation) page lists a sportswear company prominently at the top. This seems to be a case of advertising (I have never of this company whereas I have heard of the surname and barons) so seems to be hijacking the page. What does anyone else think? Sliven2000 (talk) 14:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't seem as much to me. I think that Blahdeblah (disambiguation) should have a link to Blahdeblah as its first entry. If the first did not have a page, then I would think less so.Naraht (talk) 14:46, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree. There is no disambiguation for Riddell, so it seems logical to have it listed first. Dismas|(talk) 14:49, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Huh? Ridell was originally a surname. The company is named after the surname and is not internationally known. So why should Ridell (company) take precedence over Ridell (surname) when it is less well known? Sliven2000 (talk) 21:56, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it isn't the major usage. Personal ignorance is not the basis by which decisions are made at Wikipedia. If you're convinced the company is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC you're free to present evidence to the contrary by citing sources on the relevant talk pages. "I am ignorant" is not, I am afraid, a reasonable rationale. --Jayron32 02:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

email notifications, and "Gather"[edit]

I keep getting email notifications for every change in my watchlist, which is pretty annoying. My email options were to send me "a daily summary of notifications". So why does this happen? I also had every checkbox checked under "Notify me about these events", but I'm not seeing any tickybox there about edits to watchlisted articles. (Also what the heck does "Gather" mean there? What are "collections"?)

I don't have this problem on my main account even though there my preference is set to "individual notifications as they come in"; but most of the tickyboxes under "email" are unchecked. Is the "Gather" box really referring to watchlisted items? — Jeraphine (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

On the account's Preferences page, near the bottom of the user profile tab, is a check box "Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed". This probably controls these emails. DES (talk) 15:14, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 :o Thanks. ... That's kinda weird. — Jeraphine (talk) 15:26, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Pippa Norris[edit]

My bio entry contains the following sentence at the top banner:

"This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (February 2014)"

I have edited it to add links which are appropriate and a neutral point of view but the banner is never removed. Can this please be deleted?

the bio is Pippa Norris

Thanks! Pippa — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Per WP:COI, it's strongly recommended that users don't edit articles about themselves. Having looked at the article, I've therefore added a COI tag to the page. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:10, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
It looks to me as if the subject is notable, but the current article is written with a tone somewhere between that of a resume and a promotional flyer. For example: "Based on rigorous empirical research and drawing on a large range of literature and methods, her writing is also designed to be accessible to students and the general reader unfamiliar with the arcane language of academic disciplines." This is at best uncited opinion. DES (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref too many keys[edit]

Jack Ledger is a rap-metal band from Portsmouth, Virginia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erivers71 (talkcontribs) 19:32, 27 May 2015 (UTC) Erivers71 (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@Erivers71 If this is about Draft:Jack ledger, please read Referencing for beginners. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:52, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Erivers71. Your reference goes in between the opening <ref> tag and the closing </ref> tag, not in between <ref ... /ref> as you placed them. Also the reference that goes between those tags is not something quite opaque like "Avatar", but something transparent, like: content title, written by named person on specified date, published by named website at provided url, e.g.,
Bhanoo, Sindya N. (May 26, 2015). "Even Einstein Can Take Time to matter". Science Times. The New York Times. p. D4. 
The source used should be a reliable one. Here I used a citation template to format the appearance of the details about the source placed between the <ref>...</ref> tags (which you can see by clicking edit on this section) but you can just place the information about the source between them as best you can until you become more experienced. But including the information so that others can actually look at the source themselves is very important. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Tamid Group move needed[edit]

I notice that TAMID Israel Investment Group has changed its name to Tamid Group. A COI user has attempted a copy-and-paste move to Tamid Group. Since multiple versions now exist at the new title, an admin is needed for a proper move. —teb728 t c 21:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I've put Tamid Group up for deletion as copy of TAMID Israel Investment Group]], and also put speedy to move TAMID Israel Investment Group to Tamid Group. Hopefully an admin can fix this quickly. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Done. DES (talk) 22:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Whether to sort by forename or surname?[edit]

Do we have any guidelines on whether to sort by forename or surname? I can find plenty of examples of listing by surname and making tables sortable by surname, but no guidelines. NebY (talk) 22:27, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Usually surname I think, although I don't know any guideline for it. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Categorization#Sort_keys says "Categories of people are usually sorted by last name rather than first name, so "surname, forename" sort keys are used (as in "Washington, George"). There are many other rules for sorting people's names; for more information, see WP:NAMESORT." Perhaps that will help. DES (talk) 23:05, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Linking an authority to WikiSpecies[edit]

I may have once known this, but it refuses to come to the surface. Where an article on Wikipedia is about someone who is listed as a taxon authority on Wikispecies, is there some preferred way of indicating this and linking the articles? DuncanHill (talk) 23:58, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

{{wikispecies}}? —Cryptic 00:07, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks - had just found it and was on my way here to say so! The other thing I need to work out is the standard author abbreviation thing. DuncanHill (talk) 00:18, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
DuncanHill: According to Template:Taxobox#Authorities:

Authorities in scientific names are also abbreviated according to different standards for plants and animals. To decipher standard abbreviations, see

 • List of botanists by author abbreviation or consult the International Plant Names Index.

 • List of zoologists by author abbreviation

For more information refer to the article on binomial nomenclature.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Uploading a photo to Commons[edit]

I have a friend who took some photos of her husband, who has his own article here. I'm going to show her how to upload them, and how to fill in the proper blanks in the upload form. She isn't on Wikipedia, so if there are future questions or challenges to the photos, she will never see them. I, however, am on Wikipedia virtually every day. What can I do, other than keeping my eye on the watchlist, to make sure that any questions and challenges are directed to me? I'm willing to upload the photos from my account if that is OK. Lou Sander (talk) 01:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

You could have her create her own account. When you upload them, you're saying you license them in a certain way but they aren't technically yours to license. You can then put your explanation on the talk page of the images. And put them on your own watchlist. Dismas|(talk) 02:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I confess to having violated that rule with a photo that my sister took. I know she took it, and I know I had her permission to upload and release it. I think any objection to such good-faith usage would be overly strict, but anyone is welcome to challenge the photo on the basis of this here confession. ―Mandruss  02:25, 28 May 2015 (UTC)