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August 23[edit]

Sources from Malta?[edit]

According to a blog and National Enquirer, Madeleine Collinson has died. Neither source is reliable though. According to our article, Collinson moved back to Malta when she stepped out of the lime light here in the States. Since we're having trouble finding a reliable source, what is the best way to maybe contact someone in Malta who might have a better idea as to where to get an RS for her possible death? Dismas|(talk) 00:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

It's in IMdB (yes I know that some people have doubts about that site) and google is telling me that her death was reported in the National Enquirer, but I can't access their site from the UK. It seems to be widely reported across the internet, including this site, couldn't say how reliable they are though. SpinningSpark 00:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Yes, those are the unreliable sites I was referring to. IMDb is not reliable for biographical info. See WP:RS/IMDB for the argument there. Since you're from the UK, you might not know that the NE is a trashy tabloid and not reliable. And the link you provided claims a blog as its source. Dismas|(talk) 00:44, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
At least one traces to which seems a bit more than a blog, not sure I'd count as an RS though.Naraht (talk) 04:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Saving history[edit]

The Internet in Asia redirect, which is used in the {{Asia topic}} template, should be deleted. It redirects to a deleted section of the Internet article. Some alternatives were discussed at Template talk:Asia topic#Internet in Asia, but I think the permanent solution is to delete the redirect. I don't think I should change the redirect target because I didn't find another article that would be useful to someone clicking Internet in Asia, as it appears at the bottom of articles like Internet in Yemen. So it would be better to unlink than to falsely promise the reader information specifically about the Internet in Asia. And editing the template is apparently impractical.

I have authority to delete the redirect, but I stopped when the instructions mentioned history. There are more instructions for saving history, but they all assume that the history was from an article that was moved to one article. But this article was split into a list of articles, before becoming a redirect to a section that no longer exists. So where does the history go so we can find it?

The same problem occurs for at least North America, Oceania, South America, and the Americas (but not Africa, because the Internet in Africa article exists.) Art LaPella (talk) 00:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

In some similar cases I have moved the history to a sub-page of the target article talk page. You could also leave the history where it is and rename the redirect to something less misleading. SpinningSpark 00:44, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done [1] Thank you. Art LaPella (talk) 01:07, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Delete my user name profile[edit]

Hello there,

Can you please help me to delete a website I created accidentally,

Here is the link

User:Daladier Bach


Done. JIP | Talk 06:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Editing article[edit]

H i just edited an article and added a reference to the article as i thought that article was helpful however within minutes i got a message telling my my edit was flagged as a promotional move ? i even didn't know who owns the site and just added because i thought that was helpful

Please advise how to add the sources we trust

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kahuta123 (talkcontribs)

You seem to be referring to Affiliate marketing. Your edit was removed for a couple reasons but I'll address the promotional one to start. We don't accept blogs as reliable sources per WP:SELFPUB. Basically, anyone can post a blog about any subject. We have no way of gauging their qualifications and therefore don't accept them as sources.
Also, we don't generally just post various web sites to the references section of an article. If a reference is used in the article to support some fact, then the reference will appear in that section.
Dismas|(talk) 07:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Password reset E-mail not received[edit]

I created Sillyvalley in 2008 after the 2008 Sichuan Earthquake, and made frequent edits in related pages. I still receive E-mails at the address I used to create this account, although I haven't logged on for years. (Shame on me:-) When I tried to reset password today, I alternated between user name and E-mail address. But no E-mail has arrived in 6 hours. I have verified that no mail has dropped in spam folder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

You say that you've received emails at that account but have those emails been from Wikipedia? In order for Wikipedia to send a password reset to your email address, you must have put that address in your preferences when you were logged in. Did you do that? Dismas|(talk) 07:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
And can you share which email provider ? There have been some problems with both yahoo and gmail lately for instance. —TheDJ (Not WMF) (talkcontribs) 09:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Those are problems where the Wikimedia servers "spoofs" the From field to show the e-mail is from the user rather than where it is really from, the Wikimedia servers. I would hope there is not a problem with e-mails from Wikipedia. SpinningSpark 09:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
User:Sillyvalley is not showing the "e-mail this user" option, so unless they disabled it in preferences it means they never registered an e-mail address at all. If that's the case then they will need the original password to recover the account. SpinningSpark 09:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I do not recall how E-mail options were set. AIM mail was my primary during that period. If Wikipedia allowed account creation without E-mail, that could explain why I can't find a single E-mail from in any of my mailboxes. On the other hand, I thought that the reset function would not tell me "mail sent" when the mail address wasn't even in the database. I made a couple password changes during that period. Wish I hadn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 10:59, 23 August 2014‎
@ Ok, I just tried this with a test account. The reset password e-mail gets sent (and received) if an e-mail address is provided, even if the address is never confirmed. On the other hand, if no e-mail address is provided, the reset password page puts up an error. If you are getting the "e-mail sent" message then that would indicate that you did provide an e-mail address. It looks like there is something up with your e-mail account rather than the Wikipedia end. Are you sure you are looking in the right account? Also, if you are using an e-mail client like Outlook, you might check the e-mail account web page directly (and its spam folder). It is possible the message got took out before it ever reached Outlook. SpinningSpark 11:49, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

change marital status[edit]

How do you change spouse information?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30a:c0ce:2b60:3d68:523e:c421:773c (talkcontribs)

The short answer is you edit the article. In what article do you want to change the spouse information? Do you have reliable sources that say the spouse has changed? GB fan 11:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
In general, you just marry or divorce her/him. sorry, bad joke. —TheDJ (Not WMF) (talkcontribs) 11:49, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
OP is probably talking about Austin Stoker. Dismas|(talk) 13:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

mistake I am not qualified to correct[edit]

I discovered that the History of Glass article (first paragraph) dates the first man-made glass to 3500BC and, two lines later (repeated further down), to the middle of the third century BC (which is 1000 years later). I do not know which is correct so cannot correct it. What should I do? David jd Johnson (talk) 12:57, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Re: the above request, this user's name is almost the same as mine. Is there anything that can be done to ask them to change their user name? David J Johnson (talk) 13:09, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I'd consider asking him in the nicest possible.way on his talk page, keeping in mind that he's likely been using that name most of his life, not just here. Don't take it badly if he's reluctant, just explain the reasons he might wish to do so. LeadSongDog come howl! 13:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Back to the original question, just posting here is likely to get some eyes on the problem. You could also post your concerns on the talk page of the article which is Talk:History of glass. Going even further, you could check the article's history to see who the most recent active editors are and post on their talk pages (You'll see their talk pages linked next to their names in the history) requesting some help with the problem. That should get someone to look at it. Dismas|(talk) 14:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
You probably meant third millennium, not third century. I expect this is confusion over millennia numbers and fourth millennium was really meant. It probably doesn't help that the source in the article mentions third millennium (I don't think the source is confused but that may have confused the Wikipedia editor). However, a quick trawl on gbooks came up with at least one source dating the origins of glass making to the third millenium. SpinningSpark 14:40, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Re Deleted Article on 'Gary Tedman'[edit]


I loaded up an article on 'Gary Tedman" some while ago. It was deleted yesterday. I forgot to copy it and would like to keep a copy and perhaps work on it. Can you provide me with access to it, if only temporary, or with a copy.

thank you

Aestheticinfo 15:40, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Pinging Salvidrim!, who deleted the page and will retrieve it for you.

Concerned page: Gary Tedman.

Concerned User: Aesheticinfo. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 15:50, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

X mark.svg Will not be restored - I only userfy deleted articles when they were deleted uncontroversially, and not articles deleted after a deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted after a discussion took place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Tedman, it cannot be undeleted. However, if you believe that the outcome of the discussion did not reflect the consensus of the participants, a request may be made at deletion review. At the present time, this is not an appropriate topic for inclusion on Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia's notability guidelines. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  16:41, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

@Aesheticinfo: Check your e-mail. SpinningSpark 17:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Much obliged! Aestheticinfo 17:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Lauren McLaughlin[edit]

Hi, I am trying to request undeletion of the page, Lauren McLaughlin, which I created, and when I filled out the form, it was asking a question I don't understand so I don't know if the request for undeletion when through...can you tell me if it went through? Also, she got some message from wikipedia saying her book is now part of the public domain and she has relinquished all copywrite? What does that mean, how could that happen? thank you, Karen Hunter— Preceding unsigned comment added by Karenhu (talkcontribs)

Yes, your request went through and was answered. [2].
@Karenhu: It appears there were a number of issues with your proposed article:
1)You started it with Wikipedia:XXXXXX. That means the page you created was in "Wikipedia" space which is for back office work like this help desk and not actual articles.
2) The content itself was promotional in nature and not encyclopedic.
3) In order for a subject to have a Wikipedia article, the topic of the article must have been covered in a significant manner by third party, reliably published sources and McLaughlin does not appear to meet those criteria.
4) Based on the fact that you claimed to be the author of an uploaded photo which appears to show the subject in a private residential home, you probably have a personal or professional relationship with the subject and therefore a conflict of interest which places limits on your editing about the subject- and one of the limits is not creating such articles. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
With regard to the copyright question, you will need to be more specific in what the letter said and what it was referring to.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

"Only the diff" as default[edit]

Hi. I know that if I want to view only the diff, I can add &diffonly=1 to the url. Is there some way I can make it so that this is the default, when I click on the "diff" link in the watchlist? Kingsindian (talk) 23:48, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering: "Do not show page content below diffs". PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thanks. Kingsindian (talk) 23:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

August 24[edit]


SignBot hasn't made a contribution in the last couple days. The bot's owner's talk page says that their life is in chaos and may be hard to reach. So, in order to avoid trying to contact them for what may be a small thing, I'm asking here. Has there been a change or some other thing that has disabled SignBot? Dismas|(talk) 03:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

It's actually User:SineBot. Thanks for your help.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to learn more about editing infoboxes[edit]

I recently came upon a situation in which I wanted to improve an existing infobox but I'm confused regarding the details as to how to do so. Could someone please explain it to me, or direct me where I could find more details? I already read H:IB but did not find the info on that page as detailed and useful as I'd wish it were. As none other than an example for my question.. (My example is purely for the same of serving as an example to my question.)

  • To add additional fields to the already existing infobox Template:Infobox_dot-com_company, how would I do that? (please walk me thru what the steps would be if you don't mind)
  • If I wanted to rename and/or reorder some of the fields that already exist within that infobox so that it matches the similar infobox Template:Infobox_company would it be ok for me to do so and if so, how would I do that and would I have to update every article that uses the infobox if I modified an existing field?
  • If I open the edit window to modify the Template:Infobox_dot-com_company infobox there is a button at the top that reads Manage TemplateData but within that window there is nothing.. so I checked several infoboxes to see if there would be any content in the Manage TemplateData window but all the ones I checked, there was no data in that section.. so I'm wondering what that button/section is for and what it's proper usage would be like?

Anyone who may take the time to explain .. just to make it easier for you .. I am a professional front-end/back-end web developer so you can get technical and I should understand you. :p And thanks in advance! David Condrey (talk) 03:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

As far as I understand infoboxes, re-ordering the fields will reorder them on every article. (Some caching may occur, so the change may not be seen immediately.) Changing the name of a field will break every infobox in the articles that use that infobox. So if you were to change "residence" to "home town" for example, none of the articles that use the infobox would have a "residence" entry any more. Not until each article has been edited to update the infobox with the new field name. If you remove a field from the template, that field will no longer be shown to the reader though will remain in the source code of the article. We have an actual example of this already. Right now Template:Infobox adult biography no longer has a hair color field. But it used to. And many of the articles that use that particular infobox still have "hair color" in the source code for the infobox. Hope this helps your understanding. Dismas|(talk) 03:47, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

How to finish up a short edit?[edit]

I worked as Michael Spivak's personal assistant and American editor on this series. Later I taught television production for 8 years at Red River College in Winnipeg. Two of my former TV students are Diana Swain of CBC News and Dawna Friesen of Global TV News. However, I taught them both years after I worked with Michael on this TV series. It can be verified by looking at the TV credits!

Serena Stone — Preceding unsigned comment added by SerenaStone88 (talkcontribs)

I presume that you are complaining about this reversion from the Paul Bernard, Psychiatrist page. After reading our verifiability policy and our conflict of interest guideline you can discuss the issue on the article talk page. SpinningSpark 09:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

ok to remove my email address from an archived page?[edit]

I unwisely put my email address on a Talk page which is now ARchived. Is it ok for me to edit the archived page to delete it? Tomtul2 (talk) 04:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Dismas|(talk) 04:17, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage[edit]

Admin needed to counter the backlog on the above page. I am posting this here because I have applied for the permission. Sorry, if anyone doesn't like this method. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The place to ask for an administrator is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, but you need to show some patience, you only made the request a couple of hours ago. SpinningSpark 09:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
sorry, again.--Skr15081997 (talk) 09:24, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Big Three (University of California)[edit]

I am doubt is it a self-study written by the user himself/ herself: Big Three (University of California). Not just because I never find such a term in University of California materials, search in Google (except directed to Wikipedia), but also, you may not find such a term in ALL footnotes and external source he/ she cites.

Please also note that the user only creates this page, and posts the link to other pages after registration e.g. Princeton University.

Are you suggesting that the page should be deleted? If so, you need Articles for Deletion. SpinningSpark 09:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes but I am not so sure how shall process.— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
The instructions are here (part of the page I linked above). Be careful to follow them exactly, it is quite complex. You will not be able to complete the process because you do not have an account, but the instructions tell you where to ask for someone to complete it for you. SpinningSpark 10:06, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
really complex, don't know how to do...— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
Since the user is an unregistered editor (aka IP address), he or she can't complete the complex process. I have completed the nomination. Yes check.svg Done Robert McClenon (talk) 18:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Robert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Well, this is weird...[edit]

Something very odd is going on over at William Shatner. The addition seems to check out at first glance, but it's becoming very edit war-like very quickly, and we could use some additional eyes. Remember not to bite any newbies... Evan (talk|contribs) 14:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The basic problem appears to have been conflict of interest edits by a related person, which may not have been adequately sourced. It appears that SpinningSpark has taken care of the issue by explaining the policy. If the problem recurs, please report it at the BLP noticeboard. (The newbie has been informed of the policy, and says that he will comply. If not, BLPN is the place to reply.) Robert McClenon (talk) 18:19, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Ivan Smolović[edit]

The article under name Ivan Smolović is delated because is created on wrong way. Now he is blocked. Can somebody help me to unblock this name because i wanna create article under name Ivan Smolovic with good sources. Dear Wikipedia please do something about that and help me. Talk with administors and help me. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cicimau (talkcontribs) 17:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cicimau, I have passed your request on to the admin who placed the protection, see User talk:GiantSnowman. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 17:49, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Followup, GiantSnowman's reply can be found here [3]. The subject does not pass noticeability criteria. -- Taketa (talk) 17:56, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Redirect question[edit]

Dear editors: I accepted an AfC submission moved it to Boeme. The I realized it should be Boëme, so I moved it again. Now the first title is a good redirect, but should I remove the template which says that is there because the page was moved, when in fact in should remain as a standalone redirect? —Anne Delong (talk) 18:05, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

It should make no difference. I would leave things as they are. -- Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 18:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Undo redirect[edit]

I'm trying to edit 'anterior cruciate ligament injury'. Some of the described tests would be better off in a stub, or even eventual page of their own. An example is 'Lachman test', but I cannot create a stub because it redirects to the main page. I think the redirect says some thing like ....redirect anterior cruciate ligament injury#lachman test. .. How do I overcome that? Many thanks Mdscottis (talk) 18:50, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Mdscottis. When you find "redirect anterior cruciate ligament injury#lachman test", just edit that page. The code will be something like #REDIRECT [[...]], and you can replace that with the stub article. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 18:59, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You would need to edit the page and remove the text: #REDIRECT X X X X X
Before moving existing content, be aware of and follow Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
@Mdscottis: If the issue is that you do not know how to access the redirect to do what is described above, there are a number of ways; I'll describe one. When you land on the redirected-to page you will see at the top left of the page just below its title "(Redirected from Some Name)"; click on that blue link to the name and you will be on the redirect page itself.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Sandip Goswami[edit]

Hallo Sir/Madam, I have been trying to write an article about our favorite poet, philosopher Sandip Goswami.Everything is true with reference. But the page is deleted by your admins. I don't understand what is your reliable sources. So I am hopeless. Please solve our problem. Now We think think think that Wikipedia is insulting up-growing personalities and show called editors like me. We are editing and admins are deleting. Who are wrong ! I have no interest about these stupid play. I know that I am hundred percent true. But your admins are baseless elements. They are able to delete a page not a poet. I strongly protest about your stupid system. Please read his books in Amazon and other world wide book stores. Good bye.

@Soukarsha Dutta: The article, Sandip Goswami has been twice deleted not because of lack of references or because it is not true, but because nothing in the articles explained why the subject was notable or important. You may want to read Wikipedia:General notability guideline. If Wikipedia accepted all articles, regardless of importance, it would be overflowing with pages. π♂101 (talk) 21:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

August 25[edit]


What does it mean to "wikify" an article? I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm confused. Suggestbot has suggested some articles which I can "wikify" . 1999sportsfan (talk) 00:30, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@1999sportsfan: Wikify is defined as to format using Wiki markup (as opposed to plain text or HTML). It commonly refers to adding internal links to material (Wikilinks) but is not limited to just that. To wikify an article could refer to applying any form of wiki-markup, such as standard headings and layout, including the addition of infoboxes and other templates, or bolding/italicizing of text. Noun: wikification; gerund: wikifying; practitioner: wikifier. Ask if you have any questions. π♂101 (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Carlota of Mexico[edit]

There is a fraud painting of the Empress/ Princess of Austria. It says its from Winterhault. Obviously a fake, please remove it. It has negative connotations that are not true.

Carlota of Mexico

There are several so first you need to be more specific. Second, you need evidence they are fake. CTF83! 07:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

old wikimedia commons photos not accessible[edit]


Some time ago, I changed my handle from grizdog to AlexFeldman. The changeover worked well for my Wikipedia edits, all the old ones now show up as AlexFeldman. But I recently uploaded another picture to the Wikimedia Commons, and none of my old pictures, uploaded as grizdog, still show up on my page of uploads. The pictures are still there, because they are used on some wikipedia pages and that is fine, but they don't show up as being uploaded by me. Is there a way to fix this?

Thanks. AlexFeldman (talk) 12:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, AlexFeldman. I don't believe there is any easy way to fix this. If you want to maintain credit for the images you uploaded under your old name, you could make a note on your Commons userpage. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 20:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
User:grizdog has not edited since 2006 and I see no sign there has been a commons:User:grizdog. The former name of your English Wikipedia account was User:Alexgriz. There is still a commons:User:Alexgriz. I guess this is the account you mean. Your username was changed at a time where it was only possible to be renamed at one project at a time. You can post a request at commons:Commons:Changing username. The account commons:User:AlexFeldman also exists now and would have to be renamed to free up the name (it's not possible to merge the two accounts or their edits). I'm not sure about the policy but you can log in as both users and sign with both accounts in the rename request to confirm you want this. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it was Alexgriz. Sorry about that. Thank you, this post was very helpful. AlexFeldman (talk) 21:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Create a new Wiki entry or not[edit]

Dear Kind Sir/Madame

The company for which I work, Umbra Cuscinetti, would like to post a Wikipedia page in English. I have been asked to begin this project; however, there is already a Wikipedia entry “Umbra Cuscinetti,” in Italian. Also, our Communications Director has tried to discover who the author of the Italian page is as no one from Umbra Cuscinetti was involved with the page. Even though we appreciate the efforts of an anonymous author, we intend to produce a more comprehensive and informative page.

it:Umbra Cuscinetti

We would like to ensure that we are following Wikipedia rules. We would like to know if can write a new page in English for Umbra Cuscinetti.

Thanks for your help in this matter.

Best regards, James Lupori Consultant/Umbra Cuscinetti Foligno, Italy James Lupori (talk)‎ 13:25, 25 August 2014‎ (UTC) Signed— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:30, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello James, and thanks for stopping by the help desk. One thing to keep in mind, is that Wikipedia discourages people from editing or creating articles about subjects that they have a close personal or financial interest with. That means we avoid writing directly about ourselves, our relative, and our employers. You can read about Wikipedia's policy regarding this at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. The reason for this policy is because Wikipedia's main goal is to have a neutrally-written, factual encyclopedia, which can be in conflict if you have a vested interest in a subject, where you are likely to be overly promotional or laudatory about the subject. If you would like help from someone else in writing the article, you can request that an article be created for you, by a volunteer editor who is unconnected to the subject. See Wikipedia:Requested articles for more info on how to do that. When you request the article, you may want to indicate that the article exists at Italian Wikipedia, so someone could use that to help write the English one, especially if they also speak Italian. Include as much information in your request as possible, including sources of information you can find about your company, to help the writer work on the article. Does that help answer your questions? --Jayron32 14:03, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Transclusion and watchlists[edit]

I have transcluded the lead of an article B into another article A using Wikipedia:Transclusion#Partial_transclusion. But changes to the lead of B do not show up as changes in the watchlist for article A. Is there any way to get around this, to alert people of the changes, short of keeping B in the watchlist as well? Kingsindian (talk) 14:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

No, it's the same for images, which are the most common transclusion. Changes to transclusions cannot be put in your watchlist without watching the source page. You can, however, click on "related changes in the tools menu. I think this is the result for the article in question. SpinningSpark 15:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Do the changes show up if you WP:BYPASS your browser cached and/or force a server WP:PURGE?--ukexpat (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
The user's problem is not a caching problem. SpinningSpark 16:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
@Spinningspark: Thanks. I have three further questions related to your answer.
  1. Is it possible to list only the transclusions in the "Recent Changes Linked" or "What links here" pages?
  2. Is it possible to see which pages transclude a given page B?
  3. I have an idea for reflecting transclusions. Each time the lead changes on article B, a bot adds a comment in article A mentioning the diff. Assuming there are not too many transclusions, this should not be too much of a problem. Any suggestions on whether this is a good idea, and if so, where can I pitch it? I would be interested in writing such a bot myself, though I don't have any experience in such things. Kingsindian (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
For #1 you can get the transclusions only for "what links here" like this. It is done by clicking "hide links" and "hide redirects" leaving only transclusions showing. I think that's the answer to #2 as well. For #3 I think it is a bad idea. The place to pitch it is at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). SpinningSpark 16:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
@Spinningspark: Thanks, that works great. Could you elaborate on why you think it is a bad idea? I will try asking at the Village pump anyway. Kingsindian (talk) 18:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
For one thing, it will swamp users' watchlists with bot rubbish. For another, the edits have null value to the article. Maintenance tasks like this should be invisible to operations on the article. Possibly some other solution might be suggested at WP:VPT, but I doubt it considering how long the much more common image transclusion issue has been going on, and the repeated calls for unified watchlists, especially with Commons and absolutely zero happening about it. SpinningSpark 18:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
@Spinningspark: Thanks for the elaboration. The second issue you raise (maintainance edits should be invisible), can be addressed by just adding or removing whitespaces, while using the edit summary for the diff. The other issue can't be gotten away from. But, I anticipate trancluded sections to change rarely, so I hope the "bot rubbish" would not be too much. Anyway, I have made the suggestion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Watchlists_and_transclusions. Kingsindian (talk) 07:52, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Raymond Burr Filmography[edit]

I just saw "Station West" (1948 Western) on TCM and noticed Raymond Burr in the role of Mark Bristow. IMDb also has him listed in the Full Cast & Crew on their web site, but it is not on wikipedia. Can you get wikipedia updated?— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Even better, YOU can get Wikipedia updated. Wikipedia only works because people who notice something is missing adds information. You noticed something is missing, so you can go ahead and add it. We say "The encyclopedia anyone can edit" and we mean it... --Jayron32 15:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
However, a reliable source will be needed, and IMDB is not considered a reliable source. Is the list of cast and characters in the movie itself considered a reliable primary source? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Creating books[edit]

How can we create more then one book?

Thank You— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

You need to save your books to do that. If you register an account you will be able to save books to your user workspace. As an unregistered user you cannot do this, but you can download the book you are working on and then start a new one. SpinningSpark 17:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Editing a Semi Protected Page[edit]

I was asked to add a new item to the Personal Life section of the article Noam Chomsky. This was done on 8/22. Here is the direct link to it: I need to know if I filled out the information correctly or not. I have never added information to a semi-protected account before and am not sure I followed the instructions correctly or not. As you can see, this is an addition and not a correction.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptbates1 (talkcontribs)

Your request has already been serviced and rejected. Please see the replies to you on that page. SpinningSpark 16:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
When the original poster is auto-confirmed, they will be able to edit the page directly. However, the requirement for reliable sourcing will still apply, especially to biographies of living persons. Although the OP will be able to edit semi-protected pages after auto-confirmation, any unsourced edits may be reverted, and any unsourced edits to BLPs almost certainly will be reverted. A newspaper article referring to the marriage (in a regular newspaper, not a tabloid) would, for instance, be a reliable source. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

My notifications are not working[edit]


I am not seeing all of my pings, mentions etcetera in my notifications. What is wrong?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: Did you, by any chance, disable it at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo ? --Glaisher (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2014 (UTC) PS. did the ping work in this edit?
Tony, it might help if you give a diff or two of examples you think you should have got a notification for. SpinningSpark 17:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
No. I am getting some pings like this one. I did not get one that was placed earlier here on a discussion I was watching and someone else is complaining about me ignoring a ping last month that is not showing in my notifications even when I scroll down today.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:58, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
You didn't get that one because the ping and the user signature were not placed in the same edit. SpinningSpark 18:04, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Indians Fire[edit]

Indians Fire (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)

I created an Indians Fire page ... trying to upload an image of the fire burn map and a photo of the fire origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Campbell Heather (talkcontribs)

Your account is too new to upload images to Wikipedia. Try Commons: instead, images there can be used on all Wikimedia projects, including Wikipedia. SpinningSpark 18:42, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Book requested/needed template[edit]

Is there any "Book requested/needed" template in Wikipedia (the way we use (infobox) image needed, reference User:Titodutta/Books/Time, Time travel and more, a book I just created for personal use). I feel, this article may make a fantastic book List of paradoxes. Of course, I may go and create one,. Or is there any template or something to request at talk page? --TitoDutta 18:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Numbering formulas[edit]

Hi there,

I just posted at Ref Desk/Mathematics under this heading: "Comparison of two integrals." I could not figure out how to number the integrals properly. Every time I pasted |1 next to my formulas the numbers would be displayed very close to them not at the right margin of the page. In the end I had to place dots between the formulas and the numbers to make them more visible. Even now that symbol (EquationRef) would not appear as such. Thanks, --AboutFace 22 (talk) 21:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@AboutFace 22: Hey AboutFace. We Usually number at the front and not from the back, so,

(1)\int\limits_{0}^{n}f(φ)cos(mφ) dφ

(2)\int\limits_{0}^{360}f(ω)cos(ω) d(ω)

There may be a math specific convention I am unfamiliar with but this is what I would expect to see and all of the examples of usage in the template's documentation are given for front numbering.D'oh, Weird blindness. Did you need some of the special functionality this template provides for your post? AFAICT you could have just numbered with hashes through wiki markup:
  1. \int\limits_{0}^{n}f(φ)cos(mφ) dφ
  2. \int\limits_{0}^{360}f(ω)cos(ω) d(ω)

or manually:
1) \int\limits_{0}^{n}f(φ)cos(mφ) dφ
2) \int\limits_{0}^{360}f(ω)cos(ω) d(ω)

Anyway. You could add a larger space at the back or the front using non-breaking spaces:

\int\limits_{0}^{n}f(φ)cos(mφ) dφ      (1)

\int\limits_{0}^{360}f(ω)cos(ω) d(ω)      (2)

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Equation numbering is pretty universally, at least outside Wikipedia, in books and scholarly papers, right justified on the page. Despite the comment above, the template documentation gives several examples of right justified numbering. SpinningSpark 22:59, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Fuhghettaboutit. I will try to make sense out of it. We are orthographically related :-) Just Kidding. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Error when I try to move a page[edit]

Hello, I am trying to move a page, but get the following error when I try to do so:

You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.

What would be the next step for me to move this page and get it under the proper title? Thanks,

What is the page you are trying to move, and where are you trying to move it to? --ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
See the thread at the editors talk page User talk:RobinMadison. They want to move the DirecTV article to all caps. IMO that is not a good idea per Wikipedia:Article titles. At the very least there should be a discussion on the talk page first. Robin you only have 19 edits here at WikiP. That is why you cannot move pages yet. New editors, such as yourself, are always welcome but I would suggest that you take the time to read the pages that are linked in the "Welcome!" message that Philg88 left on your page. There are lots of ins and outs about editing here and jumping right into page moves can be fraught with lots of problems. Best wishes on your future endeavors. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
(e/c) It appears to be an attempt to move DirecTV to DIRECTV. Hi RobinMadison. The reason you cannot move the page is because DIRECTV already exists as a redirect to DirecTV. You can move pages "over redirects" without higher permissions, but only when they only have a single edit in their page history and are pointing back to the page you are seeking to move from. But this would be a controversial move, and would need to be discussed, through requested moves, if it was going to go forward. I see you already know about that page, as you attempted to make a request to move it at the technical section of that process page geared toward uncontroversial moves (even though your request there is malformed, as you did not supply the names of the two pages). But I don't think that request will or should be acted upon as performing this move would seem to be against our naming conventions, and thus would be controversial without discussion first. Please see, for example, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for investigating this further Fuhghettaboutit. Your efforts have shown an error in my post above. I have struck through the sentence. Your work is much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 22:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. Thanks Fuhghettaboutit. I'm going to delete the move request for now (unless you got there first :). And thanks to MarnetteD for the ping.  Philg88 talk 22:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Glad to help!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
You are welcome P. Philg88 and Fuhghettaboutit - sorry to ping you again so soon but I just noticed that RM moved the article for SKECHERS to all caps on the 13th. Probably using the same reasoning as this time. Do you think it should be moved back? If not no worries but I thought I would ask while this is fresh in everyone's mind. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I moved it back. Good looking out Marnette. @RobinMadison: Robin, this move was obviously done with the best if intentions, but article titling can be a thorny area and this particular issue is fairly well trodden: outside of acronyms, we don't normally title articles like this. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:32, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I saw your edits. It looks (to my anyway) like it was a somewhat involved process. I sure am glad you were here to do all the work. Cheers again. MarnetteD|Talk 23:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
@MarnetteD: :-) Just a few double redirects fixed. Wait until you have to do a history swap with the redirect because it has merged content, after you splice the history from a cut and paste move, and it's a DAB page move that severs the connections with links so fixing the double redirects is not enough but there's a few hundred hand dabs involved:-) More seriously, there's a write up at WP:RM/CI I've worked on that I hope might provide a not too daunting summary of move cleanup procedures (if you're interested; scintillating reading huh?)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Reading through everything gave me this feeling :-) To be serious though Fuhghettaboutit congrats on all your (and everyone elses) work on the RM/CI. It will be most helpful to those who work with page moves. MarnetteD|Talk 00:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
If all of the above is the case, then why does this page Epcor have all caps? I dont think 'EPCOR' is an acronym, but the all caps makes sense, as the logo shows all caps. In fact, this page is redirected from a page titled 'Epcor'. I don't understand why other pages cant be changed or redirected like this one. Honestly if I see an article that cant even get the name of the subject correct, personally I'm not going to trust any additional information on that page. I understand that its a title guideline issue, but why is this particular point part of the guidelines? Who decides these guidelines? The community as a whole? Administrators? If the goal is to provide the reader with the most accurate information, then doesn't a 'guideline' that prevents that seem kind of silly?RobinMadison (talk) 18:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)RobinMadison

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@RobinMadison: The community decides through consensus. Hundreds of hours have been spent on the article titling policy and related guidelines. There are also hundreds of requested move discussions involving this and similar requests where the community has affirmed the underlying principles through debate. You say the title is "incorrect". Others might argue it is not even an issue of correct versus incorrect but only of text styling and/or emphasis, and that conventions of English writing are more important, unless there is some overriding concern.

One such overriding concern might be that for a particular title, reliable sources consistently adopt the trademark's styling. That might be convincing enough for consensus to depart from the guideline. But by the same token, what reliable sources actually do in most cases is to ignore all caps for the same reasons we do – such as that it is a gimmick, smacks of unconventional English, and we are not bound by company predilections. So, for example, the vast majority of newspapers and books when mentioning Skechers/SKECHERS use Skechers. Do you think we should lose confidence in The New York Times because they have mentioned Skechers in 292 articles and use "Skechers" consistently?

Regarding Epcor, because of the way Wikipedia works, the fact that you can locate another or even a multitude of article with something similar is usually completely irrelevant (has no precedential value), because there are always examples of other articles suffering from the same problem as any particular one at issue. See by way of analogy, What about article x? In this case, not only should Epcor be moved from that title to de-cap it (unless it is an acronym, which would need to be looked at), but "Incorporated" should be removed from its name, per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies), unless it's needed for natural disambiguation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:32, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

P.S. EPCOR is an abbreviation of Edmonton Power Corporation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:55, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

August 26[edit]

Changing Article Title[edit]

I just finished creating/editing the article for "Energy Efficiency Financial Group." However, I made a mistake because the title is supposed to be "Energy Efficiency Funding Group"! I've been looking for ways to fix it with no luck. Any help would really appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmjwiki (talkcontribs)

The page would have to be moved. I have done that for you. Dismas|(talk) 00:13, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Wrong looking article[edit]

Some of the information, such as who wrote the lyrics and the song lenghts are not correct, and i am unable to fix it, any ideas? Article

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakathor (talkcontribs) 00:02, 26 August 2014‎

While you are correct in identifying that something is wrong Kellermensch_(album_re-release) it goes to a much more basic issue than "are the credits correct". The issue is that like almost every re-release, the re-release is not notable on its own terms and so I have redirected the page to the main album article. However, it is pretty clear that the issues do not stop at the re-release album page, because there is nothing at the main album page that indicates the album itself meets the basic criteria for a stand alone article and per our procedures, the album page should probably be redirected to the article about the band. Which then gets to a really core issue - there is no indication that the band itself meets the criteria for a stand alone article and so the whole set of articles is probably destined for deletion unless you or someone can address the problem. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:54, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
But what is THE problem? it is a little-to-unknown band in the music business as a whole? Yes. But in their own right, information on the band is scarce, so is the information on the albums, but in given time, more will come. But I don't think there is to little information for the deletion of the albums pages and the band page, though the re-release I get now.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakathor (talkcontribs) 09:42, 26 August 2014‎
Wikipedia only has articles on subjects that are notable. The fact that there is little to no information about the band is the very definition of non-notable. Dismas|(talk) 10:53, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Can I have an external link to a YouTube video ?[edit]

Can I make an external link to a YouTube video ? This one in particular - --Penbat (talk) 12:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Which article would you add the link to and why? Green Giant (talk) 12:06, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a policy covering this specifically at WP:YOUTUBE. As the instructions there say, you will need to make your case for a specific inclusion. CaptRik (talk) 12:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Psychopathy in the workplace. It is very relevant. Helps explain bullying/corporate psychopathy correlation very well and it is by an acknowledged academic in the field whose other work is cited in article. I cant see any possible copyright issue. --Penbat (talk) 12:58, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
No one can judge whether the link is suitable unless you say what article it is be placed in. You were asked, but didn't respond: I assume from your editing history that the article is Workplace bullying. If that's the case, it seems a reasonable addition, but things like this are a matter of editorial judgement of the editors of the page. If it needs discussing, then the article talk page is the place to do it. SpinningSpark 14:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm confused, SpinningSpark. Didn't the OP's reply refer to Psychopathy in the workplace? --David Biddulph (talk) 14:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
You're right, I misread the meaning of the OP's link. In retrospect, it couldn't mean anything else. SpinningSpark 15:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Anyway thanks guys. I really cant see that this particular case is controversial but if need be i'll discuss it at Talk:Psychopathy in the workplace.--Penbat (talk) 15:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Editor username[edit]

How can I remove the editors username from a page I have edited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lybster (talkcontribs)

We permanently keep record of every edit for copyright attribution reasons. Some edits may be suppressed from public view for a very limited number of reasons. see WP:OTRS for more detail. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@Lybster: We do also offer the the right to "vanish" -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict fight edits[edit]

Please come to help the user Galatz is deleted an information. -- (talk) 17:16, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The article talk page is thataway. And you both also need to read about WP:edit-warring. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
And bear in mind that the article in question is under WP:1RR, not WP:3RR. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict):::@ The Help Desk is not the place to ask for help on content disputes. You should attempt to resolve them on the Talk page of the relevant article and avoid edit warring.  Philg88 talk 17:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Sharjah (emirate)[edit]

Reference help requested. Hi, I clicked on the link for the history of Sharjah, and there was a page error. I therefore changed the reference to "reference needed" Thanks, (talk) 19:04, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I have restored the reference. In general you should not delete references just because the page has become a deadlink. Even though you cannot access the page, it remains the source of the information. It is often possible to find archived copies of dead pages or retrieve it by some other means. In this case several archive copies were available at the Wayback Machine. SpinningSpark 01:04, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

biography for Ed Ayres[edit]

I am Ed Ayres, and the bio for me that appears on Wikipedia is woefully inadequate and out of date. I don't know who wrote it (I think it was entered around 10 years ago.) It is also justifiably flagged as needing citations. I sat down to draft a more accurate bio (trying to be fully objective), but then found Wikipedia's policies discouraging autobiographies. So I wonder if it would be possible for a volunteer to take this on. Since I've been discouraged from using e-mail, I'm not sure how to proceed. I would at least like to see the following information included in a rewrite: - Editorial Director at the Worldwatch Institute (publisher of the annual State of the World), 1993-2005 - As an environmental and science editor, worked with Gaylord Nelson (co-founder of Earth Day), Lester R. Brown (founder of the Worldwatch Institute and Earth Policy Institute), Theodore B. (Ted) Taylor (designer of the largest fission atomic bomb ever exploded and subsequent disarmament advocate), Herman Daly (former senior environmental economist at the World Bank), and Mikhail Gorbachev (head of Green Cross International and the Earth Dialogues). - As a writer, focused on the neglected connections between the physical/mental fitness of individual humans and the long-run sustainability of global civilization. - Author of "The Longest Race: A Lifelong Runner, an Iconic Ultramarathon, and The Case for Human Endurance" (The Experiment, 2012) - Co-Author of "Crossing the Energy Divide: Moving from Fossil Fuels to a Clean Energy Future" (Wharton School and Prentice Hall, 2010) - Author of "God's Last Offer: Negotiating for a Sustainable Future" (Four Walls Eight Windows and Basic Books,2000) - Speaker and author on the human future with the Foundation for the Future "Humanity 3000" seminars, the U.S. National Defense University (seminars on Environmental Security), the Earth Dialogues in Lyons, France, and the Time magazine turn-of-the-millennium series "Beyond 2000: Your Health, Our Planet" (November, 1999) - Founding editor and publisher of Running Times magazine, now published by Rodale Press. - Long-distance runner (and student of the connections between individual endurance and societal vitality)who ran competitively for 56 consecutive years--including a 3rd-place finish in the inaugural New York Marathon (1970), winner of the JFK 50-Mile (largest U.S. ultramarathon) in 1977, and winner of four U.S. age-group championships. - Married and living in the mountains of Southern California.

I hugely appreciate any help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

The best method would be to round up reliably published sources and provide them on the article talk page while remembering that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not an online resume or personal profile. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Ed Ayres has been edited fifty times since 2005 but most of those edits did not add significant content. In fact, someone wanted to see the article deleted, so any information you can provide would be helpful. The article is tagged as needing more sources, which have to be independent of you.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:03, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

write an article[edit]

I have a cousin with the same name...But I would like to put my information on my own page....I have tried and tried to read your references but I got nowhere... Please help me put my own page up, I tried to chat but there is no box to check as the person is very hard to get a chat session going...Please help— Preceding unsigned comment added by Joezstuff (talkcontribs)

Almost all the people in the world, including myself, are not notable enough for a tertiary source encyclopedia article – that is, reliable sources such as newspapers, magazines, books etc., have not published information on them to warrant an entry here, containing verifiable information. Have reliable sources (not YouTube, blogs, Facebook, random websites) published detailed information about you? If so, tell us a bit about it, including some specifics on what those reliable source are, and we might be able to instruct you further.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@Joezstuff: But if both you and your cousin are notable so that you would both merit articles and you both have the same name by which you are widely known, then we would apply our "dis-ambiguation" process. If you are both equally notable, we would have for example Joe Trippi (political consultant) and Joe Trippi (musician), if one is much more widely known, then they would be at just plain [Joe Trippi] and the other would have the identifying tag after their name. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

August 27[edit]

Referencing errors on List of post-nominal letters (Hong Kong)[edit]

Reference help requested. The bot said my edit has made this page: misses its reference list. I tried to look at the historical pages but can't really see the difference. Can someone fix this for me please? Thanks, Héilarius (talk) 02:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

List of post-nominal letters (Hong Kong) (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)
I see that a couple of editors have fixed this. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:35, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Isolde Menges[edit]

I have a photo image of Isolde Menges with her violin, taken in Toronto in 1918. The photo is an original from 1918, from the Isobel Murray collection; I wish to download the photo to the Isolde Menges wiki do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crossfield Chronicler (talkcontribs) 03:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

You must first upload the image. It is best to do that to Wikimedia Commons. Here is a link to the Commons upload wizard. Having done that you can then insert the image in the Isolde Menges article. See Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for help doing that. SpinningSpark 09:43, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Deleting saved articles[edit]

Hi, I was wondering how to delete saved articles on the New Wikipedia IPad app Segman2411 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

You might get a better response to your question at Wikipedia:Village pump/Technical. SpinningSpark 23:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

No admins at WP:AIV[edit]


I don't know where to point this out, but it seems that no admins have been checking out WP:AIV for several hours.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:49, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi TonyTheTiger, anything involving admins that you don't know where to post just put it on the Administrators' noticeboard. A request here on the helpdesk is ofcourse fine too when you do not know of the noticeboard. Admins also come here and someone probably has seen this message or will see it in due time. When there is a backlog on WP:AIV a bot will add a note to the page asking for extra attention. If there is a specific case of an editor continuing their disruptive behaviour for a longer period of time despite an admin request on WP:AIV, you can contact an active admin directly. I hope this answers your question. -- Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 08:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Of course. I guess I am subconscious of having too many requests at AN and ANI at one time. I should have just posted at AN.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:41, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Concerns for my article[edit]

Beatrice Looi (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)

Hi Wikipedia Team

I was trying to write an article about Beatrice Looi and I'm frequently facing some errors for my article. Errors like "Cite error". I am very new in wikipedia and I don't really have alot of experience. I hope you can answer my question.

Respectfully Yours

MarjaniMrsmarjanilee (talk) 08:16, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

There are a number of useful links on your user talk page. They are all worth reading, but one particular one to answer your question is WP:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:54, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


I want on include my organization info on wikipedia but i don't how to go about it. Can someone please help out with this.

regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zafaawiki (talkcontribs) 10:49, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I have put a few useful links on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:21, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Looking for watchers of an article[edit]

I recall seeing a tool that would allow you to find out who was watching your talk page but I can't find it now. I'd like to use the same thing to find out who is watching an article. Is this possible? Dismas|(talk) 12:01, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

If there is such a tool, it won't be on any Wikimedia site, watchlists are considered private and are never made public. I was going to say that I would be astonished if such a tool exists at all, but this forum thread implies that watchlists are in the database, and presumably downloadable by anyone who wants to mine the data. The person who would know the definitive answer to whether this is possible is User:MZMcBride who wrote the Toolserver watchers tool before Toolserver shut down. SpinningSpark 14:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dismas. Spinningspark is correct: who is watching a page is considered private. The aggregate number of page watchers (if it's not fewer than 30) is publicly available. You can click the "Page information" link in the sidebar of any standard page (the link lives in the "Tools" section). Example link for User:Dismas. --MZMcBride (talk) 15:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, MZMcBride. I must have been mis-remembering what the tool did. Dismas|(talk) 19:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Minor and major changes[edit]

I added four books to Dan Heisman's book listing, without being clear about your rules for minor and major changes. I marked the additions as minor changes, but then revised one entry to account for the release of a second edition and accidentally marked that as a major change. Is there any way to remedy the situation?

They list is now complete and correct, and reflects the most recent editions. I consider all of my changes to be minor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwblow (talkcontribs) 12:15, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Marking something as a minor change isn't much more than a curtesy. Some editors have their watch lists set to ignore minor changes. Your edit will just show up on their watch lists after all. It's not that big of a deal. Dismas|(talk) 13:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The definition is at Help:Minor edit. You were adding extra material, and the most recent was changing the content, so it does look as if the changes ought to have been major, rather than minor, but you oughtn't to lose sleep over it. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you Dismas, and thank you David Biddulph. Jwblow (talk) 18:57, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Jwblow


How many motorcycles did Dkw produce when under Mercedes Benz control — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:54, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 14:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Alipogene tiparvovec[edit]

Reference help requested. I must not understand the DOI, the article is here and the DOI I used was 10.1038/mt.2012.220, and that seemed to cause an error. I want to fix it, but I'm not sure what went wrong. The DOIs on the other references have a different format, but I couldn't find anything like that on the article page. Thanks, (talk) 14:09, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

You had a spare full stop at the end of the doi. It's been corrected now. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Fabrizio Moreira page[edit]

well this Bio i created have a lot of reference from biggest news papers and biggest sources but is still propose for delation i wanna know what i should do to avoid my article to be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inuevayork (talkcontribs) 17:07, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I see that Fabrizio Moreira is from a Spanish-speaking country, and all the sources you have cited are in Spanish. But es.wikipedia has no article about him. You might find it easier to create an article about him there. Maproom (talk) 18:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The article is not, in fact, currently proposed for deletion. The best action you can take to protect against deletion is to provide references for all the facts in the article marked as "citation needed". SpinningSpark 00:31, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Jolanta Okragla[edit]

I set up a page called Jolanta Okragla and I can't edit or changed it - why?

I would like some help.

Bob Alexander — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jolanta Okragla (talkcontribs) 18:08, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

What you have done is to create a Wikipedia account named "Jolanta Okragla", and write a very short biography of Jolanta Okragla on your user page. You ought to be able to edit it. Maproom (talk) 18:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Incidentally - if you are in fact Bob Alexander and not Jolanta Okragla, you should not be using an account whose name suggests that you are Jolanta Okragla. Maproom (talk) 18:31, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

How do I delete my vector.css page?[edit]

As above. I recently found out that there was a common.css page in my userspace. I decided to move all of my CSS to it so it would work for all skins. Well, I've done that, but now I have a vector.css page that I'm not using, and I want it deleted. I know that regular users can't delete pages, and I know there are templates you can use to request deletion. But vector.css doesn't allow non-CSS code anywhere, so I can't put a template on it. So, how do I get this page deleted? NealCruco (talk) 21:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@NealCruco: Hey Neal. I've deleted it. According to the note at WP:CSD#U1, pasting {{db-u1}} would have worked to place the page in the deletion category for an administrator to review, even though the speedy deletion template would not have displayed on the page. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:08, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! NealCruco (talk) 01:58, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Pageview data[edit]

It seems that in the 15-16:00 and 19-20:00 hours the pageview totals at pagecounts-20140827-160001.gz and pagecounts-20140827-200000.gz are only a fraction of the actual page views.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:32, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Petit Mal[edit]

I am an epileptic with Petit mal seizures. I have known I am epileptic since 1959 when I had a seizure that hospitalized me for over a month. I would like to give you information of what causes my seizures because I did not see them listed in you article on Petit Mal. The reasons I have seizures is a sudden change in blood pressure. If I get over tired and my blood pressure goes down then I get a seizure. If I get angry and my blood pressure rises, I have a seizure. The seizure usually lasts about 1 or 2 minutes, but it takes about 10 or 15 minutes to get back comprehension of what is going on around me and ability talk understandably. I hope this information is of help too you. If you have any questions contact me at e-mail and I will do my best to answer you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:24FF:1EF0:0:0:0:3C (talk) 22:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Please read WP:MEDICAL. Also it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to email you due to privacy concerns. This thread should probably be collapsed or even removed. MarnetteD|Talk 23:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Unregistered user, I appreciate your desire to improve Wikipedia. However, we cannot accept information that has not been published by a reliable source (original research). That means no personal knowledge. You may know a lot about petit mal seizures (and, assuming your story is true, you certainly do), but that doesn't make a difference. If you would like to help improve our coverage of this topic, you can find reliable sources that say what you wish to add. Also, no one here will email you. As the top of this page states, "Do not provide your email address or any other contact information. Answers will be provided on this page only." That's just how the help desk works. @MarnetteD: As a final note - they weren't asking for medical advice. They were trying to provide medical information. NealCruco (talk) 02:21, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes I see that now. Thanks for the note. The advice to close this still stands. MarnetteD|Talk 02:25, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

August 28[edit]

Lists and categories[edit]

Is there a good way to find the overlap between a category and a list, and to note the entries that do not overlap? So if I had Category:Foo and List of Foo, I could determine which members of the category are not on the list and vice versa? (talk) 03:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

One way to do this is the "List comparer" dialog that is part of AutoWikiBrowser. You would have to download and install the software, but you can skip the "request permission" step if you are only using the "List comparer". There's a screenshot and some brief instructions at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User manual#Tools. This will work provided the category isn't too big - I think the limit might be 1000 articles. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:31, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Singular they? Acceptable?[edit]

In regards to the page on Ga-ga, a fellow editor has changed "he" and "his" to "they" and "one's". I feel that the singular they is absurd, especially after just recently reading a book on grammar. I also feel that "one's" is a lot more clunky than "his" in this scenario. The other editor linked to the page on singular they, which states consistently and from varied sources that the singular they is incorrect English, despite being used by notable authors for long periods of time. Is this correct Wikipedia editing lingo? A link to the revisions comparison is included here. StainlessSteelScorpion (talk) 03:18, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I found Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language, Singular they and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Register#Gender-neutral language. They seem to agree that there is no agreement here. I, like the OP, think it's horrible. HiLo48 (talk) 03:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Mongolian Horse[edit]

The Wikipedia article has been hacked and I'm not sure how to perform a rollback automatically. Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamgold33 (talkcontribs) 04:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

It's been fixed. For future reference, if you click on the "View History" tab at the top of any page, you'll see an "undo" link beside any change. Rojomoke (talk) 05:08, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

my vocal group's wikipedia[edit]


I am very confused about the way this whole thing works. I was advised to get a wikipedia for my vocal band The Sound Collage. I gave my definition, that I wrote about my group. I use it on my website on my " about us" section. One of my agents copied it from my website and put it on his section describing my band. I was told it would have a "speedy deletion" due to copy write issues. The definition is my definition of my band in my words. I have informed my agent, Steve Beyer, he needs to take down my definition until I can get this resolved. Please advise how I can get my bands description on wikipedia and who I need to talk with to explain that this is no copy write issue, as it is all my words.

Thank you

Shannonjoyel (talk) 04:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC) Shannon Huslig

I don't know who gave you that advice, but it is wrong - this is an encyclopaedia, not a provider of free publicity. Though the article has been deleted, I have found a cached copy on Google, and I can assure you that regardless of the copyright issue (where it seems we were mistaken) the article would have been deleted anyway. It is entirely unencyclopaedic, and cites no sources whatsoever. To merit an article on Wikipedia, subjects need to meet our notability guidelines (in this case Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles), as demonstrated in third-party published reliable sources - which the article fails entirely to do. Furthermore, I can see little evidence, from a quick search via Google, that your band has any hope of currently meeting the notability criteria, and if and when it ever does, per our Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guidelines, any article on it would best be written by uninvolved third parties. I wish you luck with your band, but suggest you find other venues to promote it - you are unlikely to be permitted to do so here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:01, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Spelling Error on Main title[edit]

How does one change the title of a page.. A persons name is spelled incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calmorder (talkcontribs) 07:19, 28 August 2014‎

To change the title of a page you move the page. In order to do that, however, you need to be autoconfirmed, which you are not yet. If you tell us what page, someone here could move it. —teb728 t c 08:22, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
It will also depend on what you think the error is. If its changing Ron Allbright to something like Ronald Allbright, that would probably not be done, because his common name is Ron Allbright. - X201 (talk) 08:32, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I see someone has moved Ron Albright to Ron Allbright. Thank you for pointing it out. —teb728 t c 08:38, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Mistake on Shangani Patrol (Film)[edit]


On your web page 'the Shangani Patrol (film) there is one Glaring Error- It States twice that the opening Setting is Ft Salisbury- Where Major Alan Willson is Seen taling to his wife, and later the reference 'Fort Salisbury has a serious problem; it is surrounded by hordes of menacing Matabele warriors,'

Yhis is incorrect. Major Wilson was from Ft Victoria. Ft Victoria was threatened by the Matebel and most of the locak (black) tribesmen in the area had been killed by them or taken refuge in the Ft. Leander Starr Jamison, Administrator of Mashonaland Held his metting with the Matebele Nduma about 6 miles from Ft Victoria.

Ft Salisbury is (was) 200 Miles North. The invasion of Matebeleland came from three directions- Botswana (Bechuanaland Border Police commanded By Pieter Raff), Ft Victoria (Victoria Rangers, commanded by Major Willson) and Ft Salisbury (Salisbury Horse, commanded by Major Forbs.

Best refernce book is 'Persuit of the King' by John O'Riley. I comment as the man who lead the excavation of the battelsight in December 1993, acted in the Film, and Had John O'Riley as my History teacher before he became a catholic Priest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Are you saying that the article's description of the film's plot is inaccurate, or that the events depicted in the film are inaccurate? If the latter, then complain to the producers of the film, not to us. An "historical accuracy" section could be added to the article provided that it is sourced. SpinningSpark 08:53, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Outlook & CCH error i get when trying to file an email within outlook to CCH[edit]

outlook & CCH error procedure or function dm _ document email detail _ insert' expects parameter '@from', which was not supplied — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:21, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. —teb728 t c 10:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I cannot access my login[edit]

I forgot my password and Wikipedia sent me via e mail a new password which would be valid for 7 days. I have tried so many times today to get you to accept this new password, but to no avail. I am fedup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Can you explain exactly what stage you are having difficulties with? Are you seeing any error message? Perhaps you are not correctly filling in the Captcha word. SpinningSpark 14:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

section headings[edit]

After looking at MOS:HEAD, WP:BODY and Help:Section, I am unable to find policy related to section headings that discourages excessive capitalization. I.e, "Early Life" should be "Early life" and "See Also" should be "See also". Where is a policy regarding capitalization in section headers. In order to avert an edit war, I think I need some policy backup.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:06, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Section headings -- Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @TonyTheTiger: check out MOS:SECTIONCAPS. benzband (talk) 15:32, 28 August 2014 (UTC)