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July 29[edit]

How do I change the title of my article/page?[edit]

my page has been approved and published, but the title has been changed by an editor. It's not exact. How do I change it?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vjkrist (talkcontribs) 03:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

You can click the move page button on right top, and name a new name.--Vin09 (talk) 06:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
The article has been moved to Adverse Childhood Experiences Study.--ukexpat (talk) 14:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Native lang[edit]

ISO-639-2 codes states there are 3 codes but Template:Infobox_settlement#Parameter_names_and_descriptions in this page it is stated French as an example with two code as fr. Which one to use? For example: Telugu language it is having tel and te.

the 2-letter codes are ISO-632-1, not ISO-639-2, but they usually still work in our templates. Have you found something that doesn't work? SpinningSpark 10:31, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Want to create my company profile in Wikipedia[edit]


Our company is based in Solon, ohio United states for which I want to create my business page in Wikipedia. So kindly let me know is there any procedure do I need to follow.

Website :

Regards Packaging Supplies By Mail — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a business directory. If your company meets the inclusion requirements, Wikipedia might host an article on it - that article should not be submitted by you, due to your conflict of interest with Wikipedia. If you believe that your company meets the criteria, you can request an article. Please see these FAQs for more information. Yunshui  09:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I've been accused of vandalism[edit]

I made an edit to Sasha Grey, which has now been tagged as possible vandalism. I don't really understand what I did wrong. You are not logged in (talk) 09:04, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

It's okay, that's just an automated tag triggered when you add categories related to sexual orientation (since this is a pretty common form of vandalism). At a glance, it looks as though your addition was reasonable, so I've reviewed it for you. Worst case scenario someone disagrees and reverts your change, but no-one except the bot is going to consider that vandalism, and you won't see any comback from it. Yunshui  09:10, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

And yet again on Linda Carter (this is getting annoying). Didn't mention a thing about sexual orientation this time. You are not logged in (talk) 10:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Not as annoying as your username:) You are a relatively new editor. The bot will leave you alone as you become established and it becomes clear that you are a trustworthy editor, probably at the point when you become WP:autoconfirmed. SpinningSpark 10:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Lol about the username :) I personally think it's funny! But yeah, that's good to know about being autoconfirmed. Thanks for your help. You are not logged in (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

That would be Lynda Carter (note the spelling). And this time it was related to you mentioning pornography in a non-pornography related article. As has been said, you're edits are fine so far and the notices should stop appearing when you get autoconfirmed which should happen in another two days. Dismas|(talk) 10:50, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you :/[edit]

I am a current student at this school and I have noticed that it has been named incorrectly. Our schools official name is Campbelltown Performing Arts High School not Campbelltown High School of the Performing Arts. Also in the sidebox Also we have four sports team groups (Fisher=Sky Blue) (Macarthur=Green) (Dumaresq=Red (Warby=Yellow) Campbelltown High School of the Performing Arts — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done - moved the article to the name used on the school website. Green Giant (talk) 11:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested article for a company: status?[edit]

I submitted a requested article for the company Little Sun under the sub-section "Business and Economics/Companies." I can not write the article myself, as it would be a conflict of interest. I disclosed who we are on the user page for our company. I thought I followed all of the listed instructions, including citing reliable, independent sources (such as The Guardian, Wall Street Journal, etc.). I can not find my article request in the list anymore. Does this mean the request has been denied? Or is an independent editor working on the article? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlesunenergy (talkcontribs) 13:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

The page was cleaned out completely because it was unmanageable. You can readd to the new page, just make sure you provide reliable sources for your company. I see in your original submission you included sources but I did not evaluate them, so this is just a reminder, not saying the sources were not reliable. GB fan 14:30, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

How to keep Google out of my userspace[edit]

Google has found some of my userspace drafts - how do I prevent that? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Userspace drafts should be "noindexed" by default. You can add __NOINDEX__ or {{NOINDEX}} to make sure.--ukexpat (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Perhaps the default NOINDEX only works one subpage level down from the main user page? My drafts are all in "User:Username/Sandbox/Draft" pages. I use my Sandbox subpage for an index of my drafts and as a temporary "scratchpad" for constructing tables, complex cites, and so on. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Userspace is not noindexed by default. Some templates like {{User sandbox}} and {{Userspace draft}} add NOINDEX by default but many userspace drafts don't use such templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:09, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I will apply the templates where needed, thanks. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I stand corrected. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 14:45, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Why was my bio page deleted when my co-author's was not?[edit]

To whom it may concern,

My name is Ian Holt. I am the co-author of the novel Dracula the Un-Dead which has a page on your site. My co-author Dacre Stoker has his own bio page and when you read the Dracula The Un-Dead page you can link to his bio page.

I am wondering how I too can have a linked bio page? Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianholtwriter (talkcontribs) 15:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@Ianholtwriter: You simply don't have a page on Wikipedia about yourself to link from the page, Dracula the Un-dead. However, I recommend that you don't create the page yourself, as it would then be an autobiography. Please see Wikipedia:Autobiography. Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 16:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I need your help:[edit]

Some guy named Acroterion has just hijacked my posting and decided to erase it. How can some stranger just decide to erase what I wrote? This was my first posting, I signed up with wikipedia just today. It was an informational posting about a 9/11 Memorial my town built with the approval of the families of 9/11, and he just decides to erase it with out my permission. I need your help, this guy is a busy body menace that needs to be stopped. What can I do?

This is the link: United Airlines Flight 93 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Michael — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emerson2715 (talkcontribs) 16:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

  • The problem was that it appeared to be more of an attempt to advertise than to give factual information. And even if it wasn't an advertisement, the line you added about where the fourth plane was intended to crash isn't correct. The fourth plane was intended for either the White House or the U.S. Capitol, according to the September 11 attacks article. Lugia2453 (talk) 16:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
@Emerson2715: Although what you contributed could be true, it looks like an advertisement in nature, as the section tells readers to visit a website for promotional purposes. In addition, there is a section already on the page dedicated for notable memorials. Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 16:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Michael, please calm down. No one needs permission to add information to Wikipedia and no one needs permission to remove information from Wikipedia. The post you added is not yours, it belongs to everyone. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and we all need to work together to make it better. There are a couple of pages you should look at. First, Wikipedia:Assume good faith. This means that assume that the other person was doing something that was in the best interests of the encyclopedia. Next, Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, the cycle helps reduce problems. An editor is bold and add content, you. Another editor, Acroterion, reverts the bold edit. You calmly discuss the edit and why you feel it belongs. GB fan 16:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
You will come to this in the "cycle" link just given, but "discuss" means discuss the edit revert on the article's Talk page. You can start the discussion there yourself, saying why you made your edit and asking why it was reverted. --P123ct1 (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Michael. you need to calm down and stop using intemperate language. Please also read comments from editors above. I have also made a contribution to your Talk page. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

You may not have realised it, but this memorial is already mentioned in the Union City, California article, in the section "Cultural landmarks". I added a news source.--Auric talk 13:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Draft:TearScience[edit]

Reference help requested. Error message I received: On the Draft:TearScience page, your edit caused a missing references list (help | help with group references). (Fix | Ask for help) Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. How do I fix this? Thanks, Kamichailo (talk) 18:23, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Kamichailo and welcome to the Weird World of Wikipedia. All thats happened is that the edit you made resulted in the removal of the {{reflist}} template, which is a popular way of presenting references and citations. The "thing" that left the message on your talkpage was a "bot", which is a specialised account used for tasks that we Humans find tedious. I would highly recommend using it because it saves you the bother of having to match inline numbers with citation numbers in the reference section. So, I've had a look through and modified your references so that the text is all in the prose of the article. If you look at the draft now you will see all the references neatly presented at the bottom, and if you click on any of the numbers in the prose, you will be taken automatically to the relevant citation. I've used citation templates ({{cite journal}}) and I would recommend reading through the template page to get an idea of what it is and how it works. I hope that helps but if not, please feel free to ask here again. Green Giant (talk) 19:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


Overcharge on new subscription 6/27/14. I was charged twice for special on renewal. Should have been only $10.00. -- (talk) 19:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC) (talk) 19:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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HOK Sport, Populous[edit]

Many sports stadiums in the US were designed by an architectural practice named "HOK Sports", part of a larger company. In 2009, this practice became an independent business, with the name "Populous".

Early this month, User:Magnolia677 reported on this Help Desk that User:Ahellweg had been editing articles on stadiums, removing mentions of the name "HOK Sports" and replacing them by "Populous", even though "Populous" did not exist when the stadiums were designed. I helped Magnolia677 by reverting many of Ahellweg's changes.

Now User: is repeating these edits that credit Populous with the design of stadiums that were completed years before it existed. I have left a message on's talk page; on reflection, I should have done the same for Ahellweg, but he had become inactive before I was aware of what he had been doing. But I certainly don't have the patience to revert them manually again. Is there a tool that could be used for this? Maproom (talk) 19:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@Maproom: I'm not sure if this helps, but don't sysops have the ability to "nuke contribs" of a user? You could try asking one. Piguy101 (talk) 20:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Special:Nuke is for mass deleting pages created by a user or IP (but using rollback with the Open Multilinks Firefox Add-On effectively provides that kind of nuke if the edits are all the latest).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:45, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

What does reliable sourcing include?[edit]

If a cited source uses a specific system of measure when referring to a subject area at a particular time era, is it acceptable to use that source to assert the general case that that system of units was the norm during that era? I ask because I have reservations about the verifiability of the section headed "Units of measure used in navigation" in the "Metrication of British transport" article. There are many sources cited there, but none, to my mind, directly support the assertions they are being cited for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.Fred (talkcontribs) 21:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

No. If I find a source giving the height of the Great Pyramid of Giza in metres, it will not convince me that fourth-dynasty engineers used metres. Maproom (talk) 22:26, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I suspect that I have pedantically answered the question you asked, rather than the one you meant to ask. Maproom (talk) 22:37, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Maproom is right, but I would hesitate to actually remove anything. If the source is from that time era then it verifies that at least one source was using those units. More sources might verify that multiple sources were using those units with a growing confidence that the statement is actually true. Nevertheless, it is still WP:SYNTH to cite those as sources. A secondary source directly making the statement is required. I would suggest marking with an appropriate template such as {{better source}}, {{failed verification}}, {{OR}}, or {{synthesis-inline}} as seems most appropriate. SpinningSpark 00:13, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks all, I've tried the "failed verification" thing... Another question if I may. Is there a similar device to apply where an assertion doesn't even have a cited source? 2.Fred (talk) 20:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

That would be {{Citation needed}}, or its redirect {{cn}}.--ukexpat (talk) 20:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

July 30[edit]

fix footnote error[edit]

There are two errors in this article, Footnotes 1 and 6 incorrectly cite the last name of Katherine Millett. The mistake is obvious if you follow the cites' links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmillett (talkcontribs) 01:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Paul Katz (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)
Thank you for pointing this out; I have edited both those references to match the sources. The text you needed to edit was up in the article, not in the "References" section itself, as described in Help:Referencing for beginners. -- John of Reading (talk) 04:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Wanderlei Silva[edit]

Reference help requested.

I don't see what I did wrong. If this is wrong please delete it or allow me to delete it. Thanks.

On June 10, 2014 it was later reported that Chael Sonnen failed a drug test and would not be allowed to fight on UFC 175 card, as a result of the failed drug test Sonnen announced his retirement from the sport the following day.

<ref>{{cite web|url=|title=UFC's Chael Sonnen fails second drug test, testing positive for HGH, EPO | FOX Sports||author=marc raimondi|accessdate=2014-06-29|date=2014-06-29}}</ref> Thanks, Topblackcat (talk) 05:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

@Topblackcat: It was fixed here. What you had done incorrectly was use a pipe character "|" within one of the fields of the cite. The pipe is used to separate the fields of the cite. So, when one is used inside a field, it confuses the software because it expects the next field to show up after the pipe. Dismas|(talk) 05:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Block limit (out of interest)[edit]

On Wikipedia is there a specific rule where if you have received more than a certain amount of blocks then you will be blocked indefinitely/forever? I am just interested as I have looked at block logs and saw some users were blocked multiple times. 電子888說-TALK 06:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

No, no specific rule. See Wikipedia:Blocking policy for further details. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, AndyTheGrump! 電子888說-TALK 07:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan[edit]

Dear Wiki volunteers,

I work for UNAMA and wanted to make some corrections and update the article, but didn't work somehow. Whenever I click the "Edit" button, it takes me to a page with the article text appearing in javascript which I can't understand. Can anyone please help me?

There are a number of updates to be made, including the sentence "Reviewed annually, this mandate has been altered over time to reflect the needs of the country and was extended for another year until 19 March, 2014, by Resolution 2096." UNAMA got its new mandate on 25 March this year and the information there is obsolete.

Many thanks and regards, Tilak Pokharel UNAMA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unamawiki (talkcontribs) 07:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

The stuff you see when you click the "Edit" button is not javascript, it is Wikipedia markup language (I don't know if that's the official name for it). And for the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan article, the first screenful is hard to understand, I recommend not trying to edit it. But if you scroll down, you will find stuff which directly relates to the content of the article, apart from having <ref>.....</ref> tags embedded in it - again, I recommend leaving these alone. So it should not be difficult to find the sentence that needs updating, and to change it. Maproom (talk) 08:49, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
whatever happened to the separate edit and edit source buttons?-- (talk) 10:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
The separate edit and edit source buttons were in use for the period when the VisualEditor had been deployed. It was then realised that the VisualEditor software was unproven and had many problems, and the beta version was changed back to being available only as an option for those who chose to use it. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


How come I can't edit "anonymously"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:44, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

It's a Foundation experiment, see [1]. According to this VP thread it seems it was not meant to actually prevent IP editing and was turned off earlier this month. I don't know what's going on now, either it's a bug or the Foundation are running yet another unannounced experiment. SpinningSpark 11:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#What about mobile users?? which seems to imply that my first answer is wrong. SpinningSpark 11:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


What exactly is a "Bibliography" in a Wikipedia article for? When should a source be put in this section rather than in "References" as a footnote? I have seen at least one instance of a source being in both the Bibliography section and as a footnotes under References, where it appears not as the usual "author surname/page number" (referring to the Bibliography), but as a full footnote with all parameters given (i.e. name, title, date, publisher, access date, etc.). --P123ct1 (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

There is not a consistent use of bibliography sections across Wikipedia. The way I use it is to provide the full citations for shortened citations previously used in the references section. Others use it for general references and further reading. Still other articles use it for a bibliography of the publications of the subject of the article. Per WP:CITEVAR you should follow the already established style of the article you are editing. See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Standard appendices and footers. SpinningSpark 13:45, 30 July 2014 (UTC) and 13:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan 2[edit]

Dear Wiki volunteers, I somehow can't edit because the entire text appears in java script and I could not work around it. As UNAMA got its new mandate in March this year some information there need to be updated, starting with "...was extended for another year until 19 March, 2014, by Resolution 2096.[2]" in the first para. This should have been "...was extended for another year until 17 March 2015, by Resolution 2145 (2014)."

Any advice on how I could edit it myself would be much appreciated.

All best, Tilak Pokharel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tpokharel (talkcontribs) 13:58, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

See the responses to the same question above. Maproom (talk) 14:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi there Eddie bayers here Would like to change my image.

Eddie bayers

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bayersjr (talkcontribs) 15:35, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

There does not appear to be an image with that name. Have you uploaded it to Wikicommons? Please see WP:UPLOAD for instructions. ... discospinster talk 15:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Question on how to proceed in starting an article: I'd like to avoid a COI.[edit]

To preface: I am not entirely sure this is where I should be.

I am closely associated with a specialized law journal at my law school, and its editorial board has noticed that it is the only such journal at our school without a Wikipedia article. I've done some background research and I'm reasonably certain the journal meets the notability guideline for journals; it has at least about 150 citations in legal works, over 3/4 of which are in law reviews and journals; given that the journal is about 15 years old and in a very niche, specialized subject area, this is quite respectable. To my knowledge, it continues to receive about 10 additional citations each year.

I have a few concerns about starting this article, however. The first is a lack of reliable sources other than the journal's website, a fairly standard problem for academic journals; however, since at this stage the editorial board seems to only want to include some very basic, uncontroversial information (location, date of establishment, identity of the Editor-in-Chief, publication schedule, broad statement of the journal's subject matter, etc.), that may not be a problem.

The bigger issue, however, is conflict of interest. Although it would seem the journal probably squeaks by in terms of notability, I seriously doubt that anyone without some kind of significant connection to the journal (whether by virtue of being a current member or an alumnus) would actually bother to create the article. I must emphasize that this journal is extremely specialized; although it is quite reputable in its field, its field is small enough that it is hard to imagine someone else will go and do it. (Lawyers, law professors, and law students, as a rule, are too busy to be bothered to do something like this; even if they think it's a worthy project, there's a sort of assumption that "someone else'll do it.") But of course, if no one but a member or alumnus could be bothered, that creates conflict of interest concerns. On the other hand, given that the journal intends to only include fairly uncontroversial information, at least for the time being, it seems to me like concerns regarding actual conflicts of interest seem to be minimal.

Of course, it never hurts to be cautious, and I would like some advice on whether this (fairly small-scale) project can proceed, and if so, how.

Thanks! Lockesdonkey (talk) 15:44, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

First of all, I think this is a fine place to ask, (any comments from other users on where this should have been asked that are better are welcome) and I'd like to thank you for both your research into the specific notability guidelines for the article and the recognition of the conflict of interest. My suggestion is that you use the Wikipedia:Articles for Creation to create a Draft and have it go through that process (which will pretty much eliminate COI issues). Once you create the draft, if you'll let me know personally, I'll check it out.Naraht (talk) 16:10, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
This may help...Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide--Moxy (talk) 16:19, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both for your help. I'll try to have something for AFC fairly soon (it's sort of a busy season in the law student world right now). I particularly appreciate your offer to review the article, Naraht. Lockesdonkey (talk) 16:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Corfu (city)[edit]

Corfu is also a sister city with Bethlehem Pennsylvania USA, since March 23, 2013

Corfu (city) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for telling us – I have added Bethlehem to the list in the Corfu article. Maproom (talk) 16:30, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Purchase of encyclopedia[edit]


I would like to "purchase" the entirety of the contents of Wikipedia, for usage outside of internet accessibility. Is there a provision for doing so?

(Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

No. --k6ka (talk | contribs) 16:23, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
You can't buy it, but you can use the content for free (with conditions). GB fan 16:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Database download if you really want to download the entire encyclopaedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Contrary to the answer above, Wikipedia, or a subset of it, is available offline in a number of forms. See WikiReader, Wikipedia for Schools, and Wikipedia:Version 0.8. SpinningSpark 19:10, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Contrary to the contrary above, see: — "KIWIX allows you to store the whole Wikipedia offline on your device, USB flash drive or DVD and access content incredibly fast."   — (talk) 04:37, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Buddy Deppenschmidt[edit]

I am trying to evolve the stub on Buddy Depppenschmidt into an accurate and concise article for Wikipedia. It was up briefly and then reverted back to the stub. Please help! Thank you, Marjorie Danciger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marjorieagent (talkcontribs) 16:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Marjorieagent (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

It looks like your edits to Buddy Deppenschmidt removed all the wiki-markup (headings, formatting, bolding, bullets, etc.) RJFJR (talk) 16:44, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure this is the easiest explanation of wiki-markup, but there is Help:Wiki markup. RJFJR (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Those edits were made by User:Anderick99, not by the OP, who is User:Marjorieagent. If you (the OP) are the same person please clarify that on your user page and explain why you are using two different accounts. SpinningSpark 18:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Creating A Page For A College[edit]


I am in the process of creating a Wikipedia entry for a local college. I have written nearly all of the content. My question is this: is it acceptable that most of my citations for the information (programs offered, history, etc.) link to the college's own website? If not, what other types of sources should I seek out to verify information which, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't really appear anywhere else on the Internet?

Thanks! Sfflaherty (talk) 17:16, 30 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfflaherty (talkcontribs) 17:12, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

@Sfflaherty: It is okay to use sources from the actual college, but having other sources, such as from books and newspapers, is strongly recommended. You may want to check out WP:RS. Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 17:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. A college should have a significant amount of material published about it by other, more impartial entities such as books, magazines and newspapers. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't show any edits for your account other than two to the help desk. Are you creating it in a personal area or Draft: or offline?Naraht (talk) 16:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Utagawa Hiroshige[edit]

I have a picture I inherited from my great Aunt Helen Anderson of a wood block print of the tea houses of either Edo or Kyoto, but I believe it's Edo, by Utagawa Hiroshige which she brought back from her travels to Japan in the late 1800s. As far as I know it is one of a kind and is framed and hanging on my wall. I have taken digital pictures of it and I'm wondering if Wikipedia would like me to upload them for use on your page of information about Utagawa Hiroshige. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

If it is your photo, and you are the only person to own it (i.e. it is not copyrighted) feel free to upload it to the Commons and add it to a suitable article(s). Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 18:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Ownership of an image is unrelated to ownership of copyright in that image. But if the wood block print was created before 1900 (I think before 1923, in fact) then any copyright has expired, and we encourage you to upload a digital version to Wikimedia Commons. Maproom (talk) 07:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia in the news - where to post[edit]

Where is the section of Wikipedia in which to post articles that mention WP like this one? I thought I remembered seeing one but cannot locate it. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 20:25, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. SpinningSpark 20:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Isn't that for Main Page news items? I suggest instead Wikipedia:Press coverage 2014. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. It looks like the Wikipedia:Press coverage 2014 page is what I was looking for. Bahooka (talk) 21:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Oops, didn't read the question properly. That's what you get for trying to watch telly and edit in the commercial breaks. SpinningSpark 21:12, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Hyphen or en-dash?[edit]

Mid-1920s, late-1920s: (a) en-dash or hyphen? (b) where is this in MOS? (for date forms like that). --P123ct1 (talk) 21:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

To P123ct1: (a) I believe it would be a hyphen for "mid-1920s" and just a space for "late 1920s" ("late" is an adjective, not a prefix). (b) MOS:HYPHEN #2 covers prefixes (which I presume include "mid-"). Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 02:32, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
There is nothing in MOS under HYPHEN #2, and nothing in MOS on how to handle the example I gave. It is a big gap which really should be covered. --P123ct1 (talk) 05:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
That's because it's not a question of style, but standard usage. See hyphen and dash for the difference.--Shantavira|feed me 07:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
There is a lot about hyphens and dashes in MOS (including standard usage), but not this. --P123ct1 (talk) 17:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

July 31[edit]

Picture from the WP in Hebrew cannot be displayed here, at the WP in English[edit]

Is it possible to have (and/or upload) this picture from the WIKIPEDIA in Hebrew on the WIKIPEDIA in English? It is for the article of Edith Hahn Beer. Nacho Mailbox ★ 02:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

This image is used in Hebrew Wikipedia on grounds of "fair use": its copyright notice there (machine-translated into English) says "This image is a book cover. The assumption is that you can use these images under fair use entry on the book by the laws of copyright . Therefore, you can use this picture for about Edith Hahn only." I believe that "fair use" is applied more restrictively here on en:Wikipedia than on some other Wikipedias – maybe an expert can help? Maproom (talk) 07:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Book covers (unless very old) are copyrighted. Fair use of book covers is usually only accepted on the English Wikipedia for articles about the book, not articles about the book's author. See our guideline on fair for more details. SpinningSpark 11:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Naming an article about a pseudonym[edit]

Dear editors: I am working on a draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alex Rutherford A husband and wife team are both authors. The wife has written a number of non-fiction books alone; the couple have written several non-fiction books under their own names; as well they have written a series of fiction books under a pseudonym as if they were one person. I am still working on finding and adding citations to the article, but eventually I will have to choose a name. The draft was submitted under the pseudonym, but the article isn't totally about that. Would it be reasonable to title the article "Diane and Michael Preston", reorganize the article to discuss the older books first and the newer books under the pseudonym last, and create redirects "Diane Preston", "Michael Preston (author)", and "Alex Rutherford"? —Anne Delong (talk) 02:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Super Feed Me Duplicated article[edit]

I was wondered for Nitrome Article was duplicated for Super Feed Me. I know that called Speedily Deletion for Wikia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryancyriel (talkcontribs) 03:13, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure I entirely understand your question, but the speedy delete request is because the article is a copy of a Wikia article. The Wikia article is released under a CC-BY-SA licence, but it is unattributed in Wikipedia so it thus currently still a copyright violation. That could, however, be fixed by adding the appropriate attribution. It is preferable to import articles from other wikis rather than copying in order to preserve the edit history, but I don't know how easy it is to import from Wikia. It is usually the other way round, we export stuff to Wikia we don't want here. SpinningSpark 11:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Rich Constable[edit]

Rich Constable (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)

A user, Djflem, is obsessed with him.

Djflem only makes changes to his page to embarrass him. Indeed, he spends paragraphs discussing obscure topics relating to him, to make him appear incompetent.

Further, 7 months ago the Mayor of Hoboken, Dawn Zimmer, went on television and alleged that Constable and 3 other Governor Chris Chris cabinet official extorted her. Zimmer's only "evidence" was a notebook that Zimmer purportedly authored 8 months earlier. Constable has never been arrested or convicted (nor the other 2 Zimmer accused). Yet, Djflem only adds text and citations for the sole focus of sensationalizing and supporting Zimmer's unproven allegation.

Last, Djflem added a section on Constable's page about COAH. Other than the first 2 sentences, Constable isn't even mentioned. Again, Djflem's point is to make Constable look bad.

Please stop Djflem from vandalizing Constable's page.

This is a BPL of a marginally relevant person (he is a member of Gov. Chris Christie's cabinet).

Djflem should not be permitted to defame him with tabloid-like negative edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FB90:1506:76ED:2050:EA7C:52C7:299F (talk) 03:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

This should probably have been raised at the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, rather than here. Having taken a quick look at the article myself, I can see that there are may be problems - hopefully a few more eyes on the article might clear things up. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Request deletion of userpage subpages[edit]

I've made a few subpages while editing my userpage and while writing a userscript and a couple of those subpages I actually don't want anymore. How do you mark a script subpage for deletion? For example..User:David_Condrey/sidenav.js I tried marking it db-g7 as I would for a typical userpage but the tag doesn't work. Thanks. David Condrey (talk) 06:00, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

See Template:Db-u1#CSS and Javascript pages. Similar coding should work for G7, if you want to use that. Note that even though the speedy deletion tag doesn't appear on the saved page, the page will be properly listed in a speedy-deletion category so that an admin will find it and delete it. Deor (talk) 08:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
@David Condrey: Took care of it for you, but yeah, U1 as described at that link should get it deleted if you ever run into the issue again. Monty845 14:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Template is disappearing[edit]

The template for episode 73 of Are You Afraid of the Dark keeps disappearing? How do i fix this?

It is on Season 6 episode 73.

List of Are You Afraid of the Dark? episodes#Season 6 (1999) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

List of Are You Afraid of the Dark? episodes (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)
OK now? The name of the template, {{Episode list}}, had been deleted. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, what was wrong with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The problem occurred in this edit on July 13. You, or someone editing from your current IP address, tried to move an entry within the list but accidentally deleted the template name. The result, {{EpisodeNumber=73, displayed as a red link above the table. I'm not enough of an HTML expert to explain how the red link ended up there, but I've seen similar strange effects when table markup gets damaged. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

NWSL shield vs Supporters' Shield text in football league infobox[edit]

The MLS soccer league has an award called the Supporters' Shield for the club with the best regular season record. The NWSL has a similar award called the NWSL Shield. The football league infobox shows the label for this as "Current Supporters' Shield" and "Most Supporters' Shields." Is there a way to make the NWSL infobox display these labels as "Current NWSL Shield" and "Most NWSL Shields" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjwyatt (talkcontribs) 07:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Damaged template[edit]

The YearInNorthernIrelandNav template is damaged and not displaying correctly - see for example 1960 in Northern Ireland. I don't know how to get at the template and I'm not sure I'd be able to edit it correctly even if I could. Camboxer (talk) 08:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Some changes were made in June that appear to have broken the template. I've reverted them for now and will notify the editor who made the changes. - X201 (talk) 10:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
@Camboxer: WP will refresh all pages that this template is on, eventually. You can hit Purge on the article page to force the issue. - X201 (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Users only have a purge button if they have installed the purge gadget (or something similar in personal javascript). The way to do it without the gadget is to append "?action=purge" to the url in the browser address bar. SpinningSpark 14:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Purging the page doesn't usually force updates from templates, unless you do a special kind of purge. The easiest way is to just do a null edit to the page. Either way. I've restored my changes to the template and fixed the issue which was for some reason my code didn't automatically subst like it was suppose to and there was a pipe that was lost somehow. Anyways. Let me know if you see any more issues like this in the future, and I'll fix it as promptly as I can. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 18:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Khoo Meng Yang[edit]

Hi This is Molly. I have created the page for Khoo Meng Yang on 29/7, and I received advises to add in the references. I have added in 3 references. How do I know the information is sufficient now and to so that to remove the tag. Thank you very much !

Regards Molly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Molly Low (talkcontribs) 10:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Facebook and Youtube are not reliable references. And while the third reference, to, does mention Yang, it does little to demonstrate that he is notable. Moreover, parts of the article appear to be copyright violations of youtube. Maproom (talk) 11:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Expanding OCLC references[edit]

I'm helping a new editor write an article about an author. He has used <ref>{{OCLC|123456789}}</ref> in the bibliography list. Is there a tool that can expand these to complete "cite book" references? Neither "Reflinks" (which easily handles isbn/doi/pubmed and other similar codes) nor "Expand citations" in the Tools menu want to bite. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Follow the OCLC number link to the WorldCat site. There is a "Cite/Export" link near the top of the page for the entry. SpinningSpark 14:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't notice that link before. Just a pity they don't offer "Wikipedia Cite book" as a format option, I'll have to build each cite manually. Unfortunately the author predates the introduction of ISBNs, which would have made the task far too easy! Such are the penalties for helping newbies... (Hint for any lurking wikicoders - please add OCLC to the types of codes/index numbers that Reflinks or a similar tool can handle.) Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Coren Search Bot[edit]

I put up a new article Frank Hedges Butler a couple of days ago, & it got tagged by the search bot as a possible copyvio. I'm certainly not guilty of copypasting the content & imagine that it's been tagged because certain phrases (the fifth son on so-and so, a businessman from London, or whatever, are so generic that they are difficult to avoid). I was simply wondering why it's taking what seems to me to be a long time beforebeing either deleted or cleared. I have autopatrolled rights, if that is relevant.TheLongTone (talk) 16:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@TheLongTone: Are you asking why the notice/tag isn't going away? That is because the notice is part of the page text and you have to remove it yourself! Piguy101 (talk) 18:25, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
@TheLongTone: After taking a look at the article myself, I saw no copyright violations, so I removed the notice. You may want to report this false positive to the bot's owner, Coren. Piguy101 (talk) 18:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks...I thought that this was one of those templates that was not meant to be removed by the page creator.TheLongTone (talk) 19:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Biography of a deceased minor with inappropriate references in AfC[edit]

Dear editors: This draft Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Adam Walker is eligible for db-g13, but leaving it refundable doesn't seem right. Should another rationale be used? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The "References" section was clearly copied (rather crudely) from another article and has no relevance at all to the subject of the draft, thus the draft is actually completely unsourced. There is in fact no evidence that any of the claimed people or events ever existed/happened. Even if the article were sourced it clearly fails GNG, NMUSIC and NBIO. If the subject really did exist it is a biography with substantial unsourced negative content. So a G3 or G10 Speedy can be used to get rid of it permanently. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Company Page[edit]


My name is Taylor and I am a freshman at Indiana University. Recently I wrote an article on a company located in Beverly Hills, CA, which is where I grew up. The company is called "Manor Ridge Wealth." I was wondering how long it will take for the company information to go up on Wikipedia or what the reason is that it has not been submitted already. Please let me know as soon as possible. Thank you for your time and help.

Best regards, Taylor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkepp33 (talkcontribs) 18:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Firstly please do not add any personal information as everything is public. If you feel that the company meets WP:Notability, please use the Wikipedia:Article_wizard and create your own article! If you have further questions, please do ask! Jab843 (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The phrase "Located in the heart of Beverly Hills" sounds like something copied from promotional material, and is not suitable for an article. If you rewrite it in your own words, you could make it less promotional, as well as dealing with any copyright problem. But the draft article has a more serious problem. It provides no evidence (in the form of citations of independent reputable sources) that the company is notable, in the special sense used here in Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 22:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages[edit]

Hi, all. I would like to know the communities' opinion about disambiguating a word ("FIRJAN") that has two meanings: it is related both to an African tribe and a Brazilian company. I think it is legitimate to create this disambiguation page, but there is a user that insists it is a promotional action. There is no doubt I am from this company that would not like to have its name confused with a tribe, but the fact I am the one doing this edit does not make it promotional. What do you think? Am I breaking any policy of Wikipedia in doing so? Best wishes, Bernardo --Sistema Firjan (talk) 21:00, 31 July 2014 (UTC).

After reading through Wikipedia:Redirect, abbreviations are one argument for the legitimacy of redirects. I suggest that you make a post on User_talk:The_Banner's talk page and let them explain why they feel it is not in line with wikipedia policy. Jab843 (talk) 21:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I thought that the recommended policy was to use a db page only when there are three or more entities which the name might refer to. With only two, there can be two articles, each with a note at the top saying e.g. "For the African tribe, see ......". Maproom (talk) 22:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The guidance is at WP:TWODABS
If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote on the primary topic article, pointing to the other article.
If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, but .... there is no primary topic, then the base name should lead the reader to the disambiguation page for the term.
So, is there a "primary topic"? Arjayay (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
In this case, there is no need to decide on a primary topic since there is a difference in capitalisation. This should be handled with hatnotes and the disambiguation page is entirely superfluous. SpinningSpark 10:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I was about to put in those hatnotes and a redirect from FIRJAN but have just noticed that the article Industry Federation of the State of Rio de Janeiro is up for deletion. Probably best to let that play out first, if it gets deleted the disambiguation issue goes away anyway. I recommend that the OP concentrate on defending this, and other articles from the same organisation, before worrying about disambiguation issues. SpinningSpark 10:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Help requested for page in deletion process[edit]

I am the originating author of the page T.R. Threston and I have proof that the sources sited are true and I am willing to fax or email over the proof. There is a lot of negative bias on her "Talk" page and it very oblivious the people reporting the citing and sources as false didn't check very hard at all. And they are actually bordering on libel at this point since everything can be proven true. Kindly advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AustralianThreston (talkcontribs) 21:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I think the biggest problem with that article isn't so much that the sources are not present, it is that the article doesn't seem to meet WP:Notability, please read the guidelines and let me know if you have any further questions. Jab843 (talk) 21:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, there is a difference between saying that a statement in a biography of a living person may be libelous, and saying that one may consider libel action because of the statement. The former is permitted, and the policy on biographies of living pesons exists both for humanitarian purposes (to protect the subject) and for legal purposes (to protect Wikipedia). However, any mention by an editor that they may consider action for libel is a legal threat, and will normally result in an indefinite block, because legal threats are inconsistent with the concept of a collaborative editing environment. Statements made by the Original Poster on the talk page crossed the line of legal threats, and the OP was blocked. Please consider retracting the legal threats and requesting permission to provide reliably sourced information on the article talk page instead. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

August 1[edit]

Account deletion[edit]

How do I delete my account? It must be deleted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinodino1212 (talkcontribs) 01:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

You can't - but you can exercise the 'right to vanish', see Wikipedia:Username policy#Deleting and merging accounts. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Article on Alexander City Alabama[edit]

You might want to look at this article. I don't think the wealthy residents engage in human sacrifice, nor did an alien space ship crash there and destroy most of the town.

Fixed. Dismas|(talk) 05:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

High database server lag[edit]

I get a message at the top of my contributions page saying Due to high database server lag, changes newer than 1,009 seconds may not appear in this list. and yes, my recent edits did not appear in the list, what is the cause of this problem and when will it stop? TheChampionMan1234 05:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't know but there's already a question about it at WP:VPT#Murderous server lag. Dismas|(talk) 05:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Main Page[edit]

On TwoOneTwo's userpage he claims he didn't create the Main Page despite the history. If he didn't who did? NickGibson3900 - Talk - Sign my Guestbook 08:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@NickGibson3900: An interesting question. I tried a few searches but failed. It might have been Larry Sanger. His article states that "Shortly after a blank wiki was set up Sanger wrote the initial pages and promoted the site", but that doesn't make clear there was any "main page" at that time. Magnus Manske is active and might know (and will be pinged by the linking of his name here).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I seem to remember Jimbo Wales starting the default (as in: main) page with "Hello world". Can't find a quote online quickly though, --Magnus Manske (talk) 12:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
See this. --Glaisher (talk) 12:12, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks for responding. By the way, slightly related, apparently there's been a recovery of some very early Wikipedia content: the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001, and the revision history from January 15, 2001 to August 17, 2001, that were thought lost. See here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
The history of HomePage (the original name of the page) would seem to indicate the answer is user:Malcolm Farmer. However, the page was almost certainly imported from Nupedia; the page protection notice shows clearly that there were previous versions of the page. SpinningSpark 12:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


It says on your website that GATA is proposed for deletion from your website but I can't find out how to comment on this. Can you direct me to how to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:01, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I think you mean GATAC? If so, then you can comment on this page - Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gold_Anti-Trust_Action_Committee_(2nd_nomination). CaptRik (talk) 10:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

speedy deletion of image[edit]

I have been recently contacted advising me that two images that I drew myself and carefully added to two Wikipedia entries [(nest (protein structural motif) and niche(protein structural motif)]that I had created some while back, are now allocated for "speedy deletion". Apparently I can click the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion", but I cannot find such a button anywhere either by opening the Wikipedia entries or their source codes. Anyway I'd like to contest the proposed deletions as the images make all the difference to readers in understanding the structural concepts involved. I'd be grateful for your help. JamesMilnerWhite — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesMilnerWhite (talkcontribs) 10:15, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@JamesMilnerWhite: The two images were already deleted, so the pages no longer exist for you to view the speedy deletion template in and access the protest buttons. But you seem to be under the impression that the images are sought to be deleted entirely, thereby removing the images from use and from the respective articles, which is not the case. Rather, File:RL nest bound to egg oxygen atom.pdf was deleted, because you created it under two names and we don't keep two copies of the same image; File:RL nest bound to an egg oxygen atom.pdf was kept and is still shown in Nest (protein structural motif). The same it true of File:Niche3 bound to water molecule.pdf versus File:A niche3 bound to a water molecule.pdf. By the way, both images are marked to be copied to the Wikimedia Commons. Since they are free images, they belong there. Please note that upon further uploads of free images, you can and should upload directly there rather than here, so that all Wikimedia projects have access to the images. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)