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September 17[edit]

Empty ref tag errors[edit]

In working through Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting, I'm seeing a lot of errors resulting from a series of empty <ref> tags, as in this diff. This does not appear to be simple vandalism, as the errors are often introduced as part of a legitimate edit. One could produce these results by clicking the "Cite your sources" link at the bottom of the edit window multiple times, but I can't understand why that would be happening so often, and to so many different editors. Can anyone provide any insight? ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 01:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the OR but I work in tech support. I've known many computer users who double clicked everything. They're usually not very computer savvy in general and are used to double clicking icons on their desktop and therefore double click hyperlinks and web buttons as well. Dismas|(talk) 01:29, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Ok, that would explain two tags for one ref, but the cases I've seen have always been more than two. The above example would have required at least five clicks, since there are five occurrences of </ref>. Then, apparently, the editor noticed that something was wrong and removed two of the <ref>'s, leaving only three. How does someone click something five times accidentally? Again, this is far from a one-time occurrence, I see it all the time. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 01:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
There are actually four <ref> and four </ref>, but the IP didn't write the url in the middle. I'm guessing they just double-clicked a second time "to be sure". PrimeHunter (talk) 01:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Ah, good eye. I guess that's plausible. And when there are more than four, they double-clicked more than twice, just to be extra sure. How bizarre. But this is common enough that it calls for a software change in the handling of that link: After one click, ignore subsequent clicks until a change is made in the edit window. With a beep for each ignored click, if possible. I wouldn't know how to go about helping that happen (my one experience with Bugzilla was enough for me).
I've designed a lot of software, and one of my guiding principles was as follows: You can't prevent the user from shooting himself in the foot, but you don't have to hand him the gun. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 01:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
One way in which this can happen is this: An editor uses a touchpad to select a spot at which they want to add a reference, and then click on the "cite your sources". However, the first touchpad click, as sometimes happens, doesn't "take" and the ref tags are instead placed wherever the editor's cursor happened to have been previously positioned. With an eye on the spot where something is expected to appear, the editor doesn't notice the misplaced tags and clicks again, and maybe again, thinking that it was the second click that didn't work. This happens to me all the time with text; for me the tiny thin cursor is difficult to see. Because I am aware of the problem, if I don't get expected results I go looking for the misplaced text or tag, but I often can't find it until I resort to just leaning on some key or other until the text shifts down a line so that I can see it move, which helps me find it. Another possibility is that some people may have their touchpads or touch screens set too sensitively so that when they tap they sometimes get multiple inputs. Also I'm a klutz, so I have many, many times accidentally created double ref tags just through clumsy tapping - but of course I remove them. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:36, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Trying to fix this in the editing interface might be messy. Maybe a better solution would be to just have one of the Bots clean up empty or nested ref tags. It wouldn't have completely fixed the example given, but it could clean up the easy cases. I bet someone here at help desk knows the best place to suggest new Bot features. Alsee (talk) 16:55, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Marking some pages as visited in watchlist, in one go[edit]

Is there a way to mark only some pages as visited in the watchlist, in one go? Right now, I can only see "mark all pages as visited" button. Kingsindian (talk) 06:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

One way is to visit the page. When you visit any page in your watchlist, all the related changes are marked as viewed. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 11:00, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
you can hover over the article link and right click then open in a new window or new tab. - you then have to close the tab....-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, yes, but I don't want to visit every page. There could be a hundred pages like that. Kingsindian (talk) 11:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
If it is the only way, open the watchlist in a new window. Holding Ctrl and clicking on links will open them in a new tab. You can quickly open all the pages by keeping Ctrl pressed and clicking on all the relevant pages. All the pages will open in separate tabs in the same window. Alternatively, you can press the third button (scroll wheel) without pressing Ctrl for the same result. Spinningspark might know another way. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 17:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I am afraid that is not an option - to visit a hundred pages would get tedious quickly. I wish to know whether one can mark a page visited without actually visiting it, and do it in a wholesale fashion. Kingsindian (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
you are not actually "visiting" it - a right click to open a a bunch of tabs that you then close with one additional click is not any more clicks than if you clicked a hundred check boxes and then clicked a box that said "clear these". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
You are correct in matter of clicks, perhaps. But, opening a 100 (or even 20) tabs in firefox, urgh. All of those pages would be loaded too, so it would waste bandwidth (though, for some it would be cut short when I close them). Very unsatisfactory. Seems to be using a big hammer to solve a small problem. Kingsindian (talk) 07:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Sablan, Benguet[edit]

Reference help requested. Hello. Please help fix the format of the source/reference that caused error displayed in the References section of the article "Sablan, Benguet". I am new to editing, so I have no idea how to fix it.

Thanks, Sanglahi86 (talk) 09:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

In the error message in the article, the word "help" is in blue, meaning that it is a wikilink. In this case, the link goes to Help:CS1 errors#text ignored. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@Sanglahi86: I have fixed the reference. Basically, there was some stray duplicated text in the citation. You can see the page linked to by David Biddulph above for details. Kingsindian (talk) 09:51, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

User Warning Template[edit]

Hi there, is there a user warning template designed specifically for warning users to refrain from marking pages as patrolled hastily without tagging them appropriately? Thanks. --Dps04 (talk) 14:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Looking at the list, I see {{Uw-patrolled}}, which might be what you're looking for. RudolfRed (talk) 17:18, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
If I understand the OP correctly, his complaint wasn't that the patroller hadn't marked the page as patrolled, but rather that the page had been marked as patrolled but without appropriate tags being applied. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:31, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. I was wondering if there were some sort of warning messages I could use to warn users who kept on pressing the [Mark this page as patrolled] button without actually patrolling those pages. {{subst:uw-patrolled}} is not applicable in this case. --Dps04 (talk) 11:23, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

St. Croix Chippewa Indians of Wisconsin[edit]

In the portion of the article about the reservation communities, the link for the Round Lake community takes you to information about Round Lake located in Sawyer County. The Round Lake Community is located near Luck, WI in Polk County. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:38, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I have turned it into a red link with this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

"After Tiller"[edit]

Why did you not have any interviews from ProLife organizations? The articles you used were from mainly pro-abortion organizations and shows much of the trash you have on this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

The article's talk page is --> this way.--ukexpat (talk) 20:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Durango Discovery Museum[edit]

Hello- I would like some help with our company's business page. We have recently changed our name from the "Durango Discovery Museum" to "The Powerhouse Science Center". I'd like to change the title of the page from "Durango Discovery Museum" to "Powerhouse Science Center", but cannot make the edit. Could you please help me with this? Thanks, 19:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)19:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

The page can be moved, but the article has bigger problems than its title - it doesn't cite a single source that demonstrates that it meets the notability guidelines.--ukexpat (talk) 20:55, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[edit]

Dear editors: I often come across reference to the website when I am looking for sources for scientific articles. Unfortunately, my browser is unable to find it. Is it down, or is there some other explanation? I am outside of the USA. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

It works for me. Windows 7, Firefox 31, in the US. You could try Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 21:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
The website is up and works fine from Europe. Maybe it is a particular link you are looking at?-- sincerely, Taketa (talk) 21:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Its IP appears to be See if you can access it that way. If you can, it points to a DNS problem. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 21:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Well that's what was returned by "ping", anyway. When I access it by that IP, I get a Spanish-language version of the home page. Do you speak Spanish? Anyway, the links from the home page still seem to go to English-language content. Go figure. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
If you are on windows, sometimes this works when some webpages don't load. Open Command Prompt as administrator (by right clicking and selecting "Run as Administrator"), and type ipconfig/flushdns and hit enter. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 13:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Untitled section[edit]

I contributed to this "talk" page in June Jack London but my contributions, under the section Animal Activism, are still there and not on the public end. Does this mean that I did not contribute correctly, or that the moderator just hasn't had time to revise the public page? I've searched a few sections, including the Help desk FAQ and the Teahouse section, but I don't see a response to my question, so I thought I'd ask here. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daisilla (talkcontribs) 21:21, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

On December 22nd 2013 a user with a name similar to yours, "Daisillagu", added a section Animal Activism to the talk page of the article. It did not appear to call for any action, and none was taken. The article, like all Wikipedia articles, has no moderator. I assume that your intention was to have that section (which I see contains supporting references) transferred to the article. If so, you could just place it there yourself, just as you placed it on the talk page. Maproom (talk) 21:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I have now transferred it there myself (and changed its formatting slightly, in accordance with Wikipedia's recommended style). Maproom (talk) 21:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Jack London is semi-protected so neither of User:Daisilla and User:Daisillagu can edit it currently since the accounts are not autoconfirmed. If you don't have an "Edit" tab on a page then click the "View source" tab for instructions, or see WP:SEMI. You should have used {{Edit semi-protected}} to alert other editors. The "View source" tab has a button to automatically add it to a post on the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:47, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

September 18[edit]


When I look at the revision history of a page and I click on prev, I have the following choices: rollback (AGF), rollback, rollback (VANDAL), undo, and sum. If there are, say, three edits in a row by the same user, and I want to back them out without rollback, I click on sum and put in an edit summary. Unbeknownst to me, this causes my edit to be marked as minor. Is this a Twinkle issue or something else? Is there a way of treating three consecutive edits as an "undo" so it is not marked as minor? I didn't even know this happened until someone brought it to my attention.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

(Partial answer) This isn't a Twinkle issue, as Twinkle only adds the three buttons "rollback (AGF), rollback, rollback (VANDAL)". -- John of Reading (talk) 06:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for part of the answer, John of Reading. Actually, I think I may know the answer, even if I don't understand the implementation. If I hover my mouse over rollback, the balloon says it will rollback all of this user's edits. If I hover my cursor over sum, it says the exact same thing in the ballon. If I click on rollback, there's no opportunity to put in an edit summary. However, if I click on sum, there is and the dialog for the edit summary has the word rollback in it. I never noticed many of these details before. I assumed there was no "negative" implication, unlike rollback, in using sum, which is why I used it. So, apparently, the only difference is sum stands for summary, but, like rollbacks, the action is marked minor. Assuming all this to be right, then how do I undo several consecutive edits, with a summary, and with the edit not being marked minor? And where is any of this documented?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:32, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
@Bbb23: The default behaviour of the Twinkle buttons is that only the "vandal rollback" is minor, but this is configurable via your Twinkle preferences in the "Revert and rollback" section. So the second Twinkle button is probably what you want.
Poking around a bit more, your "sum" option is added by User:Gracenotes/rollback.js which is called from User:Bbb23/vector.js. I don't see anything in that script that allows the rollback to marked non-minor, but you could ask the script author about it. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:03, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
John, your answer eliminates the need for the long post I was about to make (edit conflict). I figured out about the Twinkle buttons, but I didn't realize that sum was caused by a script. That helps enormously. Thanks a lot.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

CCNV improved[edit]

the Community for Creative Non-Violence sources has been improved. How does that heading get removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dghavens (talkcontribs) 03:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done--ukexpat (talk) 13:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Finding the version in history closest to a particular time[edit]

  • Is there a way to quickly find the version of a page in history closest to a given time?
  • Is it possible to quickly get the history of a page starting from a particular time?

The only way I could find right now was to give the month in the section above. But, there could be hundreds of contributions in a particular month and it is tedious to go through them all. Kingsindian (talk) 08:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

A request was posted to make this easier 7 years ago and i recently reposted it (meta:tech#Extra button to view history). It was said to be easy but was never done, due to lack of vocal people to support the request. If you want this, please voice your support. -- Taketa (talk) 09:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
If you click "older 50" on a history page then you get a url like where you can manually change the offset (always in UTC time) in the url. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. PrimeHunter's reply suits me perfectly. My impression is that it will solve Taketa's problem as well. Kingsindian (talk) 10:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I know of this method. This is unnecessarily complex and people do not know about it, where a simple button would suffice. -- Taketa (talk) 11:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Reformatting coordinates[edit]

I was wondering if it was possible to reformat coordinates, so they work in the same way a piped link would? I'm interested in doing this, so that I can keep the original incription text at Charlotte Medal but link to the actual coordinates. So where the text in the article reads arriv,d at Teneriff th4 of June in Lat 28 13 N Long 16 23 W the coordinates could be clicked to link to 28°13′N 16°23′W / 28.217°N 16.383°W / 28.217; -16.383 (Teneriff). Template:Coord/doc is extensive, but doesn't seem to cover this. Thanks very much for your time and help in advance. -LookingYourBest (talk) 09:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

article text is text and links to text articles. the linked coordinates may be appropriate to an infobox, or maybe even within the text of the article as coordinates, but never piped over by text. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I thought that might have been the case. No worries! Thank you very much for the speedy reply. -LookingYourBest (talk) 12:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Jamie Soward[edit]

Hi, I am trying to change the photo on Jamie Soward's (Australian rugby league player) but it keeps saying I do not have permission to do this. I am registered. How do I change the photo? Do I need permission from someone?

Jamie Soward

Manda 2908 (talk) 10:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Your account needs to be WP:AUTOCONFIRMED before you can upload photos to Wikipedia.
However, most photos should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, which you can do without being autoconfirmed - click "upload file" on the left hand side of the Commons page.
Please ensure that you own the copyright of the picture - which almost always means that you must have taken the photo yourself - or it will just be deleted. Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

My Use of Wikipedia[edit]

I'm retired. I was a controller at Edwards AFB, CA, 1955-1959. Edwards is a test base & the 1950 was the jet age. They tested the first commercial jets, including the B-707, while I was there.

After the service I worked for the FAA as an air traffic controller at 4 different control towers, HQ in DC, & the Regional Office in Fort Worth. I covered each decade from 100-2020, & then I talked about the future up to 2050.

I write a lot about my experiences, but I did a lot of research. I had a lot of respect for the test pilots, most were already hero's from WW II &/or the Korean war. Some were killed at Edwards & I was the last to talk to them & I sent emergency equipment, Helicopter, & Dr. to the crash site. I got information from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

This is my first & only book & I understand that I need your permission to use your material? Will you please allow for me to say where I got the information & give me permission, if I need it, to use your material.

Thanks, Please respond!

Cecil Miller — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cecil. Sounds like a fascinating memoir. You don't need to get specific permission to resuse Wikipedia's material - as long as you say where the text comes from (ideally with a URL), you can use it for free. The only other proviso is that if you make changes to the text, you must allow other people to reuse it in the same way (this would only apply to text taken from Wikipedia, not to the entire book).
There is a more comprehensive explanation at Reusing Wikipedia content, which I'd encourage you to read, but in essence, if you say where you got it and let other people use it as well, it's all yours. Best of luck with your book. Yunshui  14:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree, sounds like an interesting book. As Yunshui noted, the use of the material is easy. However, I'll caution you to recall that anyone can edit, so don't treat the contents as 100% accurate. If you want to use something, I urge you to make sure it is referenced to a decent source. --S Philbrick(Talk) 14:53, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Russian Wikipedia Image files[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to edit some pages about Tajikistan and lots of great stuff is already out there on the Russian version of wikipedia but it for some reason it won't appear when I add these images to the english language version. I don't really know where to turn for help with this but if someone has any experience editing with this kind of stuff it would be great to get some help. The image I would like to add is called Файл:Madamin-bek.jpg. In English this should be File:Madamin-bek.jpg but if I type this I just get this:

Monopoly31121993 (talk) 18:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I suspect that the problem is due to the files in question being hosted locally on the Russian Wikipedia, rather than on Wikimedia Commons. Assuming there are no copyright issues (Commons does not allow non-free or fair use images), your best option would be to move the files to Commons - see Wikipedia:Moving files to the Commons. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
If the file has only been uploaded to the Russian Wikipedia itself, trying to use it on the English Wikipedia won't work. It should be uploaded to WikiMedia Commons instead to be able to be used in all Wikipedias. Note that Commons has slightly different image licensing rules than Wikipedia, although I don't remember the exact differences. JIP | Talk 18:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
hmmmm.. ok, thank you for the speedy replies. I will try to sort this out but if anyone could help me out a bit it would be very nice and it would probably help bring a few thousand new image files to the English language pages which are currently only visible on the Russian language pages. Thanks again!Monopoly31121993 (talk) 19:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Tools for converting to LDR[edit]

Are there any tools that assist in converting an article to use list-defined references?

It wouldn't be that complicated a software task to move all refs from the body to a reflist, assigning arbitrary refnames where needed. In a few seconds, that would get you about halfway to a clean LDR implementation. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 20:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I now see User:PleaseStand/References segregator mentioned in WP:LDRHOW, which at first glance appears to do something like the above. So my question becomes, are there any other tools that assist in LDR conversion? ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 20:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I believe toollabs:betacommand-dev/fix_refs.html does that. — MPelletier (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
No documentation or usage information at that link. Tested against Alaska Highway, it completely bolluxed the article, as well as putting quotes around refnames where quotes are not needed (improvement very debatable). Thanks for the feedback but I don't think I'll be using that one. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 21:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Try User:PleaseStand/References segregator. This is listed at Help:Citation tools. --  Gadget850 talk 23:08, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Libelous orphan recently added to living biography - McPhedran[edit]

It has just been brought to my attention that an 'orphan' has been posted over my name so that it is the first item read. There are several incorrect statements and a quote with a link to a student newspaper article which does not in fact contain the quote. Whoever made this addition indulged in personal commentary that is not supported by the links given. Please advise as to the most effective way to remove what is untrue and clarify in response. I have read the help information on this and that is why I am posting this request. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalist2014 (talkcontribs) 21:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

  • You didn't say, but I'll assume the article in question is Marilou McPhedran, and that you are that person.
  • I'm not sure what you mean by "libelous orphan". The message doesn't say or imply that you're an orphan. It says no other articles link to that article, so it is an orphaned article. How is that libelous?
  • If you have concerns about the sourcing of article content, please post them on the article's talk page, Talk:Marilou McPhedran, using the "New section" link near the top of that page. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 21:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
There appear to be more serious problems with the article than an unnecessary 'orphan' tag - much of it seems to have been written with a clear intent to disparage the subject. I'll bring the article to the attention of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
For now I'll blanket-revert the changes. That kind of edits is not an improvement, though some of the claims about leadership issues reported in reliable sources may have a place in the article. Huon (talk) 22:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The bot's action was clearly contrary to the {{orphan}} doc, so I have noted the discrepancy at the bot owner's talk page, here. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 22:15, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Re this edit (reverted here) I've placed a notification about this discussion here on User talk:Dean of Peaches. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Permanent link[edit]

Hi all,

I always lose track of this and can never find it again: there's a Wikipedia page that links to the Wiki's Main Page on different days; a permanent link to the main page as it looked on a particular day. Can anyone find that?

Thanks,--ɱ (talk) 23:05, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

You can view most dates at Wikipedia:Main Page history. Altamel (talk) 23:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for. I almost started to think I was making it up, and that it never existed, because none of my searches brought up anything close to that. We should link it to more things, including the permalink information and Wikipedia:Main Page alternatives.--ɱ (talk) 00:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

September 19[edit]

Basic page sections order[edit]

I thought the usually seen categories were ordered so that External links were before References. I think there's more people that will ignore the category References than External links. If the former is the case, shouldn't the order go accordingly ?

The previous paragraph is what I really need but is there some guideline about categories for a basic page? By bacis, I mean not an image gallery, category listing, or the like.

Thanks DynV (talk) 05:27, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

The order is given at WP:Section order. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:18, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Sri Late Duddilla Sripada rao former speaker of AP assemly is not figured in political elites in Telangana also[edit]

Sri Late Duddilla Sripada rao former speaker of AP assemly is not figured in political elites in Telangana also — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

If this person meets Wikipedia's requirements for notability (and as a former speaker of a legislature, they probably are), and if you have a reliable source for their position, you are very welcome to edit the article and add them; or else put the request on the talk page of the article. This is the encyclopaedia which anybody may edit. --ColinFine (talk) 13:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Cas and Jonesy[edit]

Asked and answered at the Tea House.--ukexpat (talk) 16:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hey guys! I have helped to write an article about Australian explorers Cas and Jonesy, but am having some issues that I would appreciate help resolving. The page is Cas and Jonesy.

If anyone can help me it would be much appreciated.

Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandersawyer (talkcontribs) 06:25, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I see that you've asked the same question in at least 2 other places, and had an answer in at least one of those. In future, please don't do this, as it is a waste of volunteers' time to try to answer a question which has already been answered. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Interwiki links[edit]

Hi there,

I am a fairly experienced editor and have been subbing a draft article at User:TheChampionMan1234/Flag_of_Donetsk, with his consent. We are both stalwards at WP:RFD. We want to move this over the redirect at Flag of Donetsk and have marked the R as speedy to do so, so we are just waiting for that. (They're not very speedy today)

Now, I want to put in an Interwiki link. I am used to doing this the old-fashioned way but not the new-fashioned way. So two questions:

  • Can you give me a link to how I do the Interwiki links the new-fangled way?
  • Even with that, do you think it wise I do so while it is a draft in user namespace? Would that confuse things once it is (presumably) uncontroverisally moved over the redirect? Would it be better to wait until it is over in article space?

Thanks a lot. Si Trew (talk) 09:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I've done the move for you... When you say "interwiki links", do you mean links in the Languages section on the left? You can add these by clicking on the little cogwheel next to that menu item. If you're talking about in-text interwiki links, then WP:INTER has the details. Yunshui  09:37, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the move, I just noticed it when pinging the other contributor. Yeah the language section. I used to do it all longhand, thanks for the link. The new way makes our life for us bunnies at WP:RFD a bit painful, since the IW links are not in the plaintext.
Sorry for the ramble, bad habit of mine. I'll check that when I get back to the warren. Obviously you can close this as successful (if you do that kinda thing, I don't come here often.) The second point is moot in this case, but I still wonder whether it would be wise to do an Interwiki link in a draft you expect to be moved. Si Trew (talk) 09:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I went to the equivalent page in the Ukrainian wikipedia, & from there to the appropriate Wikidata page, which I have updated. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I thought it had magically happened (and wondered how) – as I say, with Wikidata which is on the whole a much easier system for all kinds of reasons, one downside is one gets no record in either the article or its history that such a thing has been done. I don't know if the (edit conflict) was with me, but I added to the English target after finding some more information (not much) in Dutch WP. Si Trew (talk) 04:32, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Biography of an artist[edit]

Hi. I want to add the biography of an artist who I know in real life. Wikipedia says: "Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources." But there is nothing about him published anywhere. I get all information from himself. Can I add that article in wikipedia? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nareh (talkcontribs) 11:44, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

If nothing has been published about this artist they are very unlikely to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and also all biographies of living people must be properly sourced.TheLongTone (talk) 11:47, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I am afraid to say, in a word, no. If there is "nothing about him published anywhere" then he clearly does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for creating an article.
As with any article, to meet Wikipedia:Notability (people), there must significant coverage (not just a passing mention, or inclusion in a list, but whole articles, or a substantial section of them, or a chapter in a book, devoted to the person) in reliable sources (not Facebook, Linked-In, Twitter, blogs, self-published or user-editable source like Wikipedia) that are independent of the subject (not them, their company, university, PR company, relative etc.).
Until such information is published, it is Too soon to have an article about him and the article will have to wait until he is more notable. Futhermore, even when he meets those criteria, information obtained directly from the subject is not acceptable, as it is not verifiable. - Arjayay (talk) 11:56, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

How can i verify? or submit source[edit]

How can i verify? or submit source about the person Zulqarnain Zaidi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Journalists pakistan (talkcontribs) 12:29, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

@Journalists pakistan: I am not sure what your question is. If you wish to create an article about this person, you might start with Wikipedia:Article_creation. Keep in mind that persons must meet notability requirements to have a page on Wikipedia. See WP:GNG for details. Kingsindian (talk) 15:50, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Why does toolbar disappear[edit]

Hello, Can anyone explain to me why, in opening a page to edit it, now and then (as now), I occasionally find that the toolbar and markup options below the window are no longer visible, meaning I cannot edit anything except the simplest text, because there is no means to add markup devices to assist me? Thank you Nishidani (talk) 13:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

@Nishidani: On your preferences here, do you have "Show edit toolbar (requires Javascript)" checked? Kingsindian (talk) 14:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes. That's ticked. I tried to edit my sandbox now, and even that has disappeared from view! Nishidani (talk) 14:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Don't waste time on this KI. My default method in the past always worked, i.e. just use the computer to read, and wait a few days until some automatic update mysteriously fixes the glitch, which I note every other ten hours or so as I control the edit window on wikipedia.Nishidani (talk) 14:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Would like to request article about Chamila asanka[edit]

Chamila Asanka is First transgender woman who involve with international contest & represent sri lanka at Miss International Queen 2010 & first time.

also she is frist transgender model in Sri Lanka.she is in to the list of most beautiful transgender model in the world.

This Ironic woman kept her name in sri lanka history as well world history as first sri Lankan transgender to who has a gut to show her courage to the world.

you can Google her name by chamila Asanka as well as chami asanka.

she is the ironic idol in country like Sri Lanka to show off her personality.

Best Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uchitha lakmal (talkcontribs) 14:47, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Please make your request at: WP:Requested articles.--ukexpat (talk) 16:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Article talk pages in Mobile Wikipedia[edit]

Using the mobile version of Wikipedia's website, how do I access the Talk page of an article? I don't see a link anywhere. Thank you! Grover cleveland (talk) 15:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

@Grover cleveland: I don't know the answer, but there's a long thread about this at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Mobile talk which may help you. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
@Grover cleveland: I don't know the answer either, and I have zero experience accessing the web from a mobile. But, if you have a URL/location field that you can modify without retyping the whole thing, you could do the following as a last resort: (1) access the article page, (2) insert talk: immediately before the article title in the URL. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 20:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Public watchlists, related changes and templates[edit]

Is there some quick way of adding all the pages here to a public watchlist? It is not a category, but a template, so I think related changes will not work. Kingsindian (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Related changes can do this: try this link. But if you'd like the results from "what links here" reformatted as a list of wikilinks, I can do that for you with AWB. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
That would be nice. However, there is a slight issue. The templates are placed on the talk page, while I am also interested in the article page. Perhaps in some way the {{la2}} template can be used to cover both? Kingsindian (talk) 16:25, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
@Kingsindian: I've created User:Kingsindian/ARBPIA articles with 1028 {{la2}} templates on it. Any use? If not, feel free to slap a {{db-user}} on it. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:38, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Perfect! Thanks. Kingsindian (talk) 16:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
@John of Reading: I have now got permissions to use AWB myself. I am not yet familiar with its capabilities, but if you could give a short explanation of what exactly you did to create the page, it would be helpful. "Teach a man to fish" and all that stuff. Kingsindian (talk) 21:39, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
@Kingsindian: I'll post at User talk:Kingsindian/ARBPIA articles with instructions, probably later today. I'll mention here that AWB allows anyone to use its "Make list" function; you don't need to apply for AWB permission or even tell AWB your user name. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Search field size on Main Page[edit]

IMHO, I think the search field should be larger or more prominent. I believe most people come to Wikipedia to search for something, NOT to read the news, which is what the Main page now looks like. When one lands on the Wikipedia site, their cursor should be in the search field so that they're ready to type their search. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwilliams2537 (talkcontribs) 16:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

@Bwilliams2537: Thanks for raising these points.
The second point, the cursor placement, has been discussed many times. You can read about it at Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why doesn't the cursor appear in the search box, like with Google? - there are several workarounds listed there, an easy one for readers such as yourself who have registered an account, and other suggestions that anyone can use.
I'm not sure where the first point, the width of the search box, has been discussed. For readers with a registered account there is a workaround for this as well: go to the "Gadgets" tag of your preferences, tick the option labelled "Widen the search box in the Vector skin", and then scroll down to click the "Save" button. You should find that the search box is now wider. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
John, the OP clearly seeks a benefit to all readers, not just her/himself. Except for "I think" and "I believe", s/he uses the third person throughout. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 19:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
@Mandruss: Yes, that's why I tried to point Bwilliams2537 to places where the issues had been discussed. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Is there a template for quick linking to a user's contributions page?[edit]

Hey all, anybody know if there's a simple shortcut template that lets you point to a user's contribution page similar to the way we can use {{u|Yournamehere}} or {{noping|Yournamehere}} to point to a user page? This comes up a lot in anti-vandal work and I don't have the energy to keep typing [[Special:Contributions/Yournamehere]] if there's something shorter like {{sc|Yournamehere}}. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

See {{Userspace linking templates}} for various options. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Danke. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Editing Oklahoma Aquarium[edit]

I recently attempted to update the information on the Oklahoma Aquarium's wikipedia page: Unfortunately, I made mistakes while editing because two warning signs now appear at the top and I obviously do not want those to appear on the page! The edits I made were all in September 2014. Could you please remove these edits, so that the page will read like it did before September 2014? I saw that there was an "undo" button in the "view history" page (, but I am concerned to click them, so I don't further more disrupt the page. If I can click the 4 undo buttons to remove by changes and make it back to its previous state before my changes, I will. The page was last corrected on July 13, 2012 and it was correct with no warning signs then. If my corrections can be undone to where it reads the same as it did on July 13, 2012, that would be great! I thought I made the corrections following the guidelines on my last edit, but it did not seem to suffice. I will do my research and go over all Wikipedia guidelines before I edit next. Meanwhile, if my edits could be removed and the article could be changed to how it was before September 2014, I would very much appreciate it.

Thank you!

AquariumOK (talk) 19:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

The "warning signs" (we refer to them as templates) were applied by another editor, Mean as custard (talk · contribs), as you can see here. It appears to me that the templates warning that the article reads like an advertisement and doesn't establish how the aquarium is notable are presently valid concerns; the templates should not be removed until those items are addressed. Adding information establishing attention the aquarium has gained with third-party reliable sources would go a long way towards addressing both concerns. Reverting the article to an earlier state would not, to my mind, improve matters. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 19:33, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Users who refuse to discuss[edit]

There is a particular IP which has been changing articles based on its personal preferences, and every time I try to bring up a discussion to communicate with this IP, it will never respond, and in fact, this IP has not ever used a talk page, choosing to only communicate through edit summaries (or not use an edit summary at all with multiple reverts which I know are reverts because they ping me with the red notice at the top of the screen). It makes an edit that goes against a guideline, so I ask why it did that (attempting to communicate with the user via talk pages), and it never responds. Even when I left a message directly on this IP's user talk page, it still will never respond. Then, I eventually just revert the IP's edit, and it reverts my revert. Because I was the first one to revert, we end up going until we both have three reverts, but I won't revert again because I will not break the three-revert rule, and since the IP was the second to revert, it's edits stand. No matter what I try, I cannot fix the pages to follow guidelines, for on these two pages, the IP will just revert me (there is a third page where the issue is not that it goes against guidelines, just that the IP will not discuss). There are not many people involved on the pages, being mostly just me and the IP, and because of that, I cannot do anything about the IP's editing, and I won't report the IP because the edits, while they are pref-pushing, are in good faith, I think. I don't know why the IP refuses to ever use talk pages, but because of this, I don't really know what I can do about this. This combination of my attempts at discussion being futile and my corrections being reverted is frustrating, and while the issues have been minor, I have had enough of this. The IP was previously blocked for a similar issue, but that was because it was this IP versus an administrator. While these are relatively minor issues, if no action is taken, the IP will just keep on acting as though it owns these articles. This IP has also helped out in some ways, but I don't know how to change this editor's behavior. I myself may have been a bit hasty on some of my own reverts, but I have opted not to start an edit war by breaking the 3RR, and my question is, what should be done in situations like these? (If you reply, so I will see your response sooner, please use {{reply to}}) Dustin (talk) 20:44, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Have you tried the dispute resolution noticeboard? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:08, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, in looking further at the edits by the unregistered editor, I would suggest that the edit warring noticeboard may be a better option. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I have to leave for just a brief period of time, so I can't say much now, but I can virtually guarantee that and are the same individual (very similar IPs, editing patterns, etc.); just compare these two: [1] [2]. Dustin (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I was hoping that someone else might respond, but as it seems that no one will, I may soon take your advice. Dustin (talk) 19:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
What other response did you want? -:)
@Robert McClenon: It's not about you in particular; I just mean that it is usually good to have multiple ideas. In any case, I am going to report this person as one of its IPs ( has reverted me again. Dustin (talk) 20:09, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Since I don't think there are any 3RR violations though, I think I may create a report at the incidents page instead. (Except for vandalism,) I usually don't mess with that sort of stuff though, so if that's not the right place, please say so. Thanks. Dustin (talk) 20:16, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Question: is there a policy requiring any user to respond to anything ? Mlpearc (open channel) 20:40, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
There's WP:CONSENSUS. And WP:BRD, which enjoys mere essay status but is very widely accepted. You might not be able to find the words "the editor must respond" anywhere, as that would be a bit too strident for Wikipedia's style, but I think there's extremely wide agreement that an editor who won't discuss anything is not interested in the principles on which Wikipedia depends to operate effectively, and thus to survive. A habitual non-responder is the ultimate POV-pusher, and an ongoing pattern of contentious non-response certainly warrants attention at a higher level. One man's opinion. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 20:57, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
I assume we're talking about the 2014 Pacific hurricane season and related pages? I notice that the changes made by the IP are mostly to unreferenced statistics in infoboxes. Without references, it's quite easy to imagine that two good faith editors may be inserting data from contradictory sources. Since the editor won't engage in a discussion, and since unreferenced material is contrary to policy, I suggest that you add references for the statistics which you believe are correct. This will improve the encyclopedia and place you on higher ground if a dispute does emerge, and could dissuade the IP from making unexplained changes. Pburka (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually, Pburka, the issue is the IP reverting me, purposefully blanking the "undid revision by" part of its edit summary, violating Wikipedia guidelines (there are some reasons where it makes sense to do this, but the IP just says either the same thing or nothing at all, and only through edit summaries), and just being disruptive with anything involving redirects. Dustin (talk) 20:57, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Mlpearc, this person with the two IPs has been constantly reverting my attempts at correcting the articles to meet Wikipedia guidelines, and it was even blocked for a very similar reason. Back in July, after this edit with the summary "The redirect is so illogical", that IP was blocked for repeated WP:INTDABLINK violations and for being disruptive. Now, that same IP has made very similar edits (always has to use direct links) with this edit, and it's edit summary was "These redirects are so illogical" (an completely untrue statement, as I tried to explain multiple times). Dustin (talk) 21:06, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Life and Casualty Insurance Company of Tennessee--[edit]

<<<question about a specific insurance policy removed>>>

Thank you,

Wayne Arnold

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:7767:6C20:6921:85AF:C34C:C3F5 (talk) 21:11, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. ~~

Also, Wikipedia does not give legal advice. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I have removed the various names, policy numbers and your street address to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:38, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

September 20[edit]

Using small tags and br in infoboxes[edit]

So right now I have an issue with another editor by using small tags in movie titles inside the infoboxes. That editor had some of the titles in these articles (X-Men (film series)#Crew & Fantastic Four in film#Crew in smaller text size and I think it just looks so inconsistent and unnecessary. The editor stated that without the small tags, the text won't fit inside the infobox but it looks perfectly fine without the small tags.

Also, that user had the characters' codename separated from their birthname by erasing the "/" and replacing it with the br and putting the codename of the characters in smaller text size. --SuperHotWiki (talk) 08:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Finding a template[edit]

In this WP Help page on templates, there are many templates divided according to category, but you have to know the category before you can find what you are looking for. I am looking for a template I once saw in a Talk page titled "Tangential discussion". I have no idea where to look and cannot see it on scanning the categories. Surely an alphabetical list of templates should supplement the category arrangement of templates? Where can I suggest this should be done and where I can find the template I am looking for, please? --P123ct1 (talk) 08:00, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

@P123ct1: An alphabetical list of templates can be found at Special:AllPages when switched to display templates. However, since there are over 330,000 template pages this isn't very useful. A better approach is to use the "Advanced" checkboxes at Special:Search to search for particular text strings in templates; but a search for 'tangential discussion' doesn't return much. I think your best bet is to search for the phrase "tangential discussion" in article talk pages and skim through the 77 results to see if you recognise any of the article names. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:00, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. --P123ct1 (talk) 09:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Very old stubs[edit]

Where can I find the list of articles created in the time period 2001-04 which are still stubs? Is there any tool for this?--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

The people who know about tools are found at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Software companies based in California[edit]

You don't have the company Spyrus. It's small but have done work with many large companies. Take a look at their website and see what you think about adding them to the list of software companies in California. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is is not a directory. Content must be WP:verified by reliably published third party sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:20, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

User page interference[edit]

Hi there, I have had a wikipedia user account since 2007 and have chosen not to create my own user page. This has meant that my user name always appeared in red. Today another editor decided without reference to me, to create my user page and as a result my user name now appears in blue. I am unhappy with this situation as I don't like the fact that another user can edit my user page. How can my red link be restored and how can I prevent other users editing my user page? Graemp (talk) 12:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I see he has already deleted the contents of your user page for you. But the link to it Graemp is still blue. I don't know why this is, or whether it can be changed. Maproom (talk) 12:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
My browser shows User:Graemp as red. GB fan 12:33, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
I have deleted your userpage and protected it so that only admins can create it. If you ever want to create your userpage let me or another admin know so that the protection can be removed. GB fan 12:29, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
My browser does now too. thanks Graemp (talk) 12:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
To address the unasked question, or at least how I'm reading it, if a page is created and then simply blanked by anyone, then the link will still be blue. The page exists it just doesn't have any content. It's like having a cupboard without any food in it. It doesn't change the fact that it's still a cupboard. Having an admin delete it however removes the cupboard from existence and thus the link is again red. Dismas|(talk) 13:17, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Some "meta" questions about wikipedia.[edit]

Hello everyone, i'm quite sure that these question were already addressed but i was unable to find them through browsing the reference desk. So i hope that some kind user with good knowledge could help me. So let's start.

  1. If i understood correctly the wikipedia's reference desk is like a Q&A site. But i see only "new" question in the section of the reference desk. This mean that if a question doesn't receive an answer within a certain time it gets archived? Or even if it gets answers after a certain time it gets archived nevertheless?(like reddit threads?) Does this method encourage replication of questions since a lot of users (me included) maybe are not able to find the same answer in the archives ? Could an "old question" receive a new answer or the archives are immutable?
  2. I'm for the opinion that a good answer is the one that "fits" the reasoning of the reader (so it is not unique in general), but an helper for this is normally the reputation/votes/credits of the answerer. As far i saw on the wikipedia's reference desk a reader has no clue about the "reputation" of the answerer because that is not quantified like on stack exchange, quora and somewhere else. Did i miss it? Is there a way to show it? If there is no "numerical index for reputation" (like GDP is a numerical index of the economic power of a country) there are other methods to check it?
  3. For now i don't have other questions, but many thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pier4r (talkcontribs) 12:09, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
(1) Yes, all threads are archived after a week or so, and as a result the same (or very similar) questions are sometimes asked more than once. A repeated question can therefore receive a new set of responses. Usually, some smart-ass ref-desker—like me, for instance—will link to the earlier thread(s) on the topic in the responses. (2) Theoretically, the point of the ref desk is to direct querents to outside sources or Wikipedia articles that provide the information they are looking for. (That's why it's called the reference desk, not the "answer desk" or some such.) The value of the responses should therefore be independent of any qualifications or "reputation" that the individual respondents might have, so that such qualifications should ideally be completely irrelevant when the ref desk is operating as it should be. Deor (talk) 13:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Caveat emptor and free advice is almost always worth what you paid for it. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:40, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry TheRedPenOfDoom i don't get your sentence, could you elaborate? Deor Many thanks, especially for the "theoretical" objective of the reference desk. Besides, could someone fix "question" to "questions" in the title (not so good in English here), since i end always in an edit conflict. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pier4r (talkcontribs) 16:09, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
My comment was essentially a joke "If you get free advice that is not helpful, hire a lawyer to demand your money back"
But to your point, no Wikipedia is not going to institute any policy of rating editors or the quality of their edits.
The reference desk has numerous people watching and attempting to help, and if something completely inappropriate is offered, one of the other watchers is likely to call it out. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Search indexing not working?[edit]

Last weekend I created two new articles: Amelia Watson and Firemen's Memorial (Manhattan). I've noticed that, a week later, neither of these pages appear in WP's internal search, and some other pages which I've edited also do not appear to have been indexed in that period. Is there something wrong with the indexing service? (Google picked up the new pages within minutes.) Pburka (talk) 13:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

This has been noted, but as stated in this thread
"Nobody is looking into the failure (that's why the [Bugzilla] ticket is marked as WONTFIX) as CirrusSearch will replace Lucene soon, and CirrusSearch is pretty ready for production"
AFAIK all efforts are being put into finalizing the new search, rather than mending the old one. - Arjayay (talk) 16:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. I'm disappointed that a core feature like search would be abandoned for some indeterminate number of weeks while waiting for a replacement to be deployed. Pburka (talk) 17:38, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Citing Social Media esp. Twitter[edit]

Hi. Are there formal rules about citing social media and more specifically, using Twitter?

I have only managed to find so far a section in: Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources/Archive_33#Citing_Twitter.3F but nothing more formal. What someone tweets isn't any more reliable than forums or blogs surely? Richard Nowell (talk) 14:12, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I haven't checked the policies in detail, but I would say that Twitter is reliable in one special situation, and that is with respect to what was tweeted by the subject of the article. Other than that, Twitter is just a way for anyone to blog in 140 words at a time. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:29, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
The formal rules are: mostly dont because in most situations it is not appropriate. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:08, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
The section cited by the original poster was a question about the format for the reference in citing Twitter. As the discussion said, citing Twitter is only appropriate as information as to what the subject of the BLP had said. Also, the section cited by the original poster was in the policy talk page, and was never added to the policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for replies. I ask because a well-known scientist who was born in Nairobi, Kenya tweeted that he was English, and this is then used as a ref in the WP article about him. A person could claim to be any nationality, surely? The quote from that tweet was, by the way: "Thank you. I am English. Perhaps you're too young to remember a little thing called the British Empire?" Richard Nowell (talk) 15:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
it could not be used to establish his nationality; but, particularly if third party sources covered the tweet, it could be used for something like "In a tweet, he identified himself as a member of the British Empire." -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Not knowing the person, or their date of birth it is difficult to comment, however, Kenya is particularly complex - see British nationality law#Residual categories and particularly British Overseas citizen - However, he would not be English, he would be British - Arjayay (talk) 15:42, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
The individual in question, as noted, may be British as a British overseas citizen. He apparently self-identifies as English. Whether that self-identification is worth including in his BLP article is a matter of judgment, but a tweet may be a reliable source as to his self-identification. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
The WP article is on Richard Dawkins and the reference used is in the first sentence.Richard Nowell (talk) 16:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

The Captain America Bike[edit]

Mr. Peter Fonda has E mailed me about this bike (The Captain America Bike) that is going to auction. you can see my letter to MR. Fonda there his posted reply to me on Peter Fonda's FACEBOOK PAGE. It is on the left as you look at Mr. Fonda,s FACEBOOK PAGE

This bike is a FAKE BIKE!!

Mr. Fonda is now looking into this Bike to see if it is in fact an original bike. and not a rebuilt bike

This was on Sept. 19th 2014 14:48, 20 September 2014 (UTC) (talk)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:53, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I presume that you're referring to this section: Easy Rider#Motorcycles. You may have more luck posting on that article's talk page. Pburka (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Links to Wikipedia in other languages[edit]

I'm a complete beginner and intend making a contribution on the same subject to the English version and the Italian version of Wikipedia. My contribution includes a list of people who are on or the other, but not both and other people who are (for example) on the Spanish or German version. When I requested help on the Italian Wikipedia, I was told in that it was against the rules to include links to other language versions (although I attemped and it works), but I should create a "red" link to a page that says there is no page on the person in question (which theoretically should encourage another contributor to create the missing page). Are the Wikipedia rules not the same worldwide? If so is the sort of link I'd like to include (Interwikilink?) allowed or not?ScozzeseVolante (talk) 15:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I think what you are looking for is on the left hand margin, at the foot of the menu options, and is the cogwheel'Edit links' item by the Languages line. A good example is our Main Page, which has a load of links to other language versions of this main page. We, ordinary editors like you and me, create these links by knowing the language the other article is in, and by following the prompts to link to it. This is, naturally, only for articles about the same topic. Fiddle Faddle 16:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
I think Fiddle Faddle may have misunderstood your question.
Firstly, there is no global rule - each language Wikipedia makes their own rules, so what is un/acceptable on the Italian Wikipedia does not hold here.
I think you need to read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Interwiki links and the pages linked to from there - The general advice is "Inline interlanguage linking within an article's body text is generally discouraged because it leads to user confusion, but the use of {{ill}}, {{ill2}}, or {{ill-WD}} templates to show both a red link and an interlanguage link may be helpful in some cases" - Arjayay (talk) 16:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Arjayay: Fiddle Faddle is correct. ScozzeseVolante is asking about inter-language links, not interwiki links. Within the last couple of years, all of Wikipedia has moved to using Wikidata for language links. --NeilN talk to me 18:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Here is more specific help: Wikipedia:Wikidata#Managing_Interlanguage_links_with_Wikidata --NeilN talk to me 18:09, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@NeilN:- Hopefully ScozzeseVolante will enlighten us. However, he was told it was "against the rules to include links to other language versions" (I don't think interlanguage links are "against the rules" even on the Italian Wikipedia) and he asked about "a "red" link to a page on the person in question" and I don't think Wikidata's interlanguage links can create a "red-link" - can they? Almost the same text as my quotation appears at Help:Interlanguage links#Inline links - to my understanding, he is asking about Inline links- Arjayay (talk) 18:48, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Arjayay: I see what you mean. My apologies. Yes, you can't link to a German article in the body of an English article, for example. --NeilN talk to me 18:57, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

This is perhaps not the correct way to follow up on your suggestions.... please advise if I'm using the wrong method... I'll try to give a clearer example of my query... there will be a list of opera/theatre directors with whom the person I'm writing the contribution about has worked. Two of them (Lluis Pascal and Huo DeAna) only appear on the Spanish version of Wikipedia - how can a create a link to their pages on my English or Italian contribution?ScozzeseVolante (talk) 18:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

@ScozzeseVolante: Are you going to write an Lluis Pascal article on the English Wikipedia? --NeilN talk to me 19:00, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
If you are, if you go to the Spanish article you'll see a "Editar los enlaces" link on the left hand side, right at the bottom. Clicking it goes to here. You can add a link to your English article after you've created it. --NeilN talk to me 19:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Are you perhaps asking about how to make an English article's text include a link to a parallel article in another Wikipedia? If that's what you want, just place a colon, the language code, another colon, and the name of the other article, and put them all in brackets. The language code is in the URL, before ""; ours is en, the Italian is it, German is de, and Spanish is es. For example, to provide a link to the German version of the Help Desk,, just type de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia. Alternate idea Were you hoping to add a link from our article to an existing article in another language, since we don't have an article on the topic? Just use {{ill|language code|article name}}, e.g. since we don't have an article about Naturschutzgebiet Warsteiner Kopf, {{ill|de|Naturschutzgebiet Warsteiner Kopf}} will produce Naturschutzgebiet Warsteiner Kopf (de) — it provides a link that would go to our article if we had one, and a link to the German article that already exists. If someone creates an English Wikipedia article entitled "Naturschutzgebiet Warsteiner Kopf", the link to the German article will disappear. Nyttend (talk) 19:48, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

ttrain station in bic[edit]

location of ttrain station in bic — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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Gadget coding[edit]

I use the gadget that Special:Preferences describes as "Display an assessment of an article's quality as part of the page header for each article. (documentation)". The script provides a link to failed featured-article candidacies, but not successful ones; it causes anthropology to give a link to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Anthropology/archive1, but it doesn't make Minnesota give a link to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Minnesota. What code would cause it to provide a link to a successful FAC? Pyrospirit says that he'll happily make small changes, but "I do not plan on adding whole new features". If someone could suggest code to provide links to successful FACs, I assume that he'd be happy to add it. Nyttend (talk) 19:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)