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July 10[edit]

User talk page auto-archiving[edit]

I tried to set lowercase sigmabot to archive my talk page with each archive topping out at 150k. However, I waited twenty-four hours, but the archiving did not work, so I just did the archiving myself. Can any of you help identify the problem? Thanks. Dustin (talk) 00:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The archiving is done by a bot which was inactive for two days [1]. I don't know why but such things often happen. It's active again but there is nothing to archive with your parameters. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh. Well, thanks for telling me that. Now, there isn't really anything to archive. I think it said the bot is supposed to archive at 0000 UTC... Dustin (talk) 01:51, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The portal CSDs are useless![edit]

The portal CSDs are useless!Why we have them?I also want a list of deleted portals.Ssaz 12 (talk) 00:43, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

It's not easy to answer the first part of your question unless you explain exactly what your problem is. Is there something you want to delete that doesn't have a CSD criterion? In any case, this would be best discussed at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion. You can find deleted portals by searching the XfD pages, although note that this search includes portals the XfD decided to keep. It does not include portals deleted by CSD, for that you need to manually search the deletion log. Unfortunately, it is not possible to search the logs by namespace so it is quite tedious. There are no portals in the log deleted under P1 or P2 this month (although there are plenty deleted under other CSD criteria). The newest deletion for P2 is Portal:Maharaja Agrasen University on 30 June. SpinningSpark 09:10, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Erica Durance ( Pregnant ).[edit]

Erica Durance (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)

Hi :-)I am a huge fan of the above actress and yesterday some one posted on her Wikipedia page that she was pregnant with her first child and that site had been modified on July 8th at 10:53am. Now her page isn't saying nothing like that. U need to get on these stupid ass people who don't have nothing better to do but spread false lies. Her twitter fans including me were all excitied for her and her husband David Palffy. What a letdown...Please take action against these people because it's the right thing to do. Yours truly Malie Jean Bingham!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know about the problem. The false information was removed at 23:05 UTC yesterday (about ten hours ago). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:45, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Some other information also added by the same IP who added the pregnancy claim is still in the article, subsequent edits make it difficult to revert without an admin mop. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:52, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. @Dodger67: nothing an admin could do that I couldn't; You need to manually edit the page (or as I did, edit a previous version to revert the changes). --Mdann52talk to me! 10:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry you have been let down. The problem with being "The encyclopedia that anyone can edit" is that some people will vandalize articles and add false information "for fun".
All information added to Wikipedia should have a reference to a reliable source, these are indicated by the little blue number, and relate to the list at the bottom of the page. It is important that you check the reference does actually say what it is claimed to say, or, if there is no reference, you are circumspect.
With regards to Erica Durance, the same IP address was used a couple of days later to add similar information about Melissa Benoist, and was used today to add fake "notable alumnae" (including a man) to Cheltenham Girls High School. A warning has been given to that IP address, but it is probably some bored Australian schoolgirls with nothing better to do at the end of term. - Arjayay (talk)
I've also made a few tweaks to the page. It all seems back on track now. The info is still there in page history - that can only be removed by a mop holder, but I doubt it will happen as the info is not particularly harmful, just juvenile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaheel Riens (talkcontribs)
Indeed. IMO, it does not meet WP:CRD, so is not revdellable. --Mdann52talk to me! 11:38, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Dabsolver and disambiguation[edit]

Is there something wrong with Dabsolver? It can't find disambiguation links and wasn't working at all in the past weeks. Is there any other tool to disambiguate pages on Wikipedia?Lbertolotti (talk) 12:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

@Lbertolotti: See WP:VPT#Toolserver for information on this. WP:CLEANER may help you with this. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:58, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Requiring/checking Sort criteria on "List of" articles in "Lists of" category.[edit]

As far as I can tell, in any case where there is a "Lists of" category like Category:Lists of people by city in the United States that all articles in that category should have sort criteria for the entry in that category. So that List_of_people_from_Hillsboro,_Oregon would have [[Category:Lists of people by city in the United States|Hillsboro, Oregon]] rather than [[Category:Lists of people by city in the United States]]. (Rarely would this be done with a default sort) Would there be a tool that would help with making sure that this is true? For example, would this be appropriate for Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia?Naraht (talk) 14:40, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Ask at WP:VPT and they might know.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:42, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

how to contact a contributor[edit]

Hi - I want to ask a question of a contributor - he provided an update on a great uncle of mine and I am doing genealogy so want to see if he knows who the person's parents are. I do not want to edit the article just contact him. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karenstensgaard (talkcontribs) 17:13, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Via the user's user talk page.--ukexpat (talk) 17:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
To expand on that, as asking this question was your first edit; Every article has a history tab at the top
If you go to the page about your great-uncle and click that tab it will show you the history of the page - if you click two of the white circles it will show you the differences between the two different versions of a page, which will enable you to find out who made the addition you are talking about. (There are clever ways to do this, like "wikiblame", but let's keep it simple)
Hopefully, the editor will have a name, and not just an IP address (a number). If you then click on "talk", next to the editors name, it will take you to their talk page, where you can ask your question.
If you are lucky, the editor may have "e-mail this user" under tools in the left hand column, which will enable you to e-mail the user, although this will reveal your e-mail address to them. However, they may not choose to reply by e-mail, as that will divulge their e-mail address, so you will need to keep checking your and their talk pages, even if you e-mail them . - Arjayay (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Wrong date of birth and age for Joan McCall[edit]

Joan McCall was born in Kentucky on January 31, 1953 (not 1943). Present age is 61. She is an active Hollywood producer as well a screenwriter and minister and former actress. (talk) 19:31, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source for her date of birth then you can either change the date in the article but you will need to provide the source, or raise it on the article talk page. Not a reliable source but says 1943. MilborneOne (talk) 20:02, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
According to Joan McCall, she was born in 1943 but is in the category "1957 births". Maproom (talk) 20:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, this one doesn't agree with 43 or 53. And here's another. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:01, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Not sure the age is right, but what you're claiming is not possible. This is her photo on the cover of a playbill from 1965, and she's not 12 there.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Deletion tag log[edit]

When I propose an article for speedy deletion using the page curation tool, the article appears in my Deletion tag log. But, when I propose article for deletion using Twinkle, it does not appear in the Deletion tag log. Why? How can I change this, so that all articles I propose for deletion appear in the log? Vanjagenije (talk) 20:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: Go to Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences to edit you Twinkle settings so that it adds CSD articles to the log. Piguy101 (talk) 21:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
You need to change your Twinkle preferences at: Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences.--ukexpat (talk) 20:59, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
In the Twinkle preferences, I only see this option: "Keep a log in userspace of all CSD nominations". But, I don't want to keep log in my userspace, I want to keep log in the Deletion tag log. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:04, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
@Vanjagenije: Oh, I'm not sure if Twinkle can keep a log there. You may want to direct your question to Wikipedia talk:Twinkle. Piguy101 (talk) 21:12, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Looks like the deletion tag log only works for pages tagged via the "page curation deletion wizard" (see top of the page). Note that it is a "special page" that cannot be edited directly. Like one's user contributions, it's just a log of actions stored in the database rather than an editable page.--ukexpat (talk) 21:12, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

request edit[edit]

When you search North York Astros on google what shows up on the right side for wiki is "Astros Vasas FC". It is no longer called that. Can someone please change it to The North York Astros.


-- Kristiner Thomas Web Developer & Graphics Specialist North York Astros Soccer Club — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krysmoe (talkcontribs)

Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. --ukexpat (talk) 20:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for saying you saw the problem on a Google search results page and not in Wikipedia. Very few people do that when they report such Google errors to us, so we made the above stock reply which assumes the poster gave no indication the problem was seen outside Wikipedia. I don't know where Google got the old team name but it wasn't from our article which was moved to the new name in April.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
You posted a Request for an edit to the article page. I responded there, and left you a note on your talk page.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

July 11[edit]

How did these refs appear?[edit]

I'm not sure how universal this phenomenon is but look at the end of Talk:Australian rock. Why is there a list of references? I see no use of Reflist nor references 'plates. It becomes annoying when I try to reply to a user's talkpage, which has a spam black-listed ref. I'm stopped from editing at that talkpage even though I did not add any external links at all to my material but the site occurs in an earlier editor's entry.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

That also tripped me out today at Talk:CM Punk. Both the appearance of the reference, and the appearance of The Muppets. No clue. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:42, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Tech News: 2014-28 says:
  • If you use references on a page, you will soon always see them at the bottom of the page, even if you forget to add the <references /> tag (or a template). [3] [4]
PrimeHunter (talk) 02:51, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I disapprove. Messes up whatever's the last, irrelevant section. And that blacklist problem doesn't sound fun. I tried adding a reflist template, but it did nothing (as far as I could tell). Any workarounds? Bugzilla's link says "the maintenance category would allow maintenance editors to find and fix the issue." What's a maintenance category? Who's a maintenance editor? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:07, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
A maintenance category would for example be Category:Pages with missing references list which was formerly used to automatically track this issue. The new feature doesn't add a maintenance category so I think Category:Pages with missing references list will automatically be emptied when all link tables are updated. I agree with the bug comment that there should be a maintenance category. In this context, a maintenance editor is someone who uses a maintenance category to find and fix pages with a problem. The blacklist issue may cause temporary annoyance but is a one-off problem with refs which were added on pages with no reflist template before the new feature. In the future, the feature will prevent such refs from being added in the first place. Editors have to remove or disable the existing blacklisted links on the affected pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:28, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
The same thing has happened to me. I am not able to make edits on my talk page, either (there is a message saying "blacklisted." I don' understand why this has happened. This is a bad problem and needs to be fixed quickly. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I have put a reflist template at the bottom of the only section in the talkpage to uses references. This stops them from appearing at the bottom of the whole page. Maproom (talk) 06:40, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that will solve Garagepunk66's problem with the blacklisted ref. My advice to Garagepunk66 is to either edit out the offending link [if it is written by someone else then place a note in square brackets to explain why it was deleted] or <nowiki>place nowikis</nowiki> around it to see whether this deactivates the bots.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
The nowiki solution appears to have worked for the blacklisted link. Together with Maproom's suggestion this solves my problems with this recent change to provide automatic refs.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
See the discussion at Help talk:Footnotes#Missing reference markup will no longer show an error. We have filed a bug on the tracking category and another on problems with missing <ref />. --  Gadget850 talk 10:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Request language translation of an existing wiki written in one language that has not been translated into an existing wiki in another language available on Wikipedia?[edit]

Hello Wiki Friends,

I was suprised today, when I realized that there is not an automatted translation of all wiki articles into the languages supported by Wikipedia. I sought out originally searching the English wiki for an article on an old music album, "A Tribute To Stevie Ray Vaughan", and had an article not found result returned. Then upon searching with Google, I noticed a wiki article for exactly what I was seeking on the Portugese version of Wikipedia. The URL for the Portugese wiki is below.

pt:A Tribute To Stevie Ray Vaughan

I also tried to translate the page directly from the Portugese wiki page with the same results returned as using the search described above.

So now knowing there is an existing article on the subject... how do I go about requesting a translation of it into another available Wikipedia language?

Thanks for any help everyone!

Epiphany — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Automatic translation would not be a good idea for two reasons. First, the quality of automatic translation software is not usually good enough for Wikipedia articles; secondly, the policies on what is an acceptable article (eg notability) are a matter for each Wikipedia separately, and it is possible that a subject might meet one Wikipedia's criteria, but not another's. (I don't know if this would happen, but it could in principle.
Translations of articles between languages are welcome, as long as the subject does meet the criteria for the target Wikipedia. For more information, please see Translation. You might also want to look at Translate us. --ColinFine (talk) 09:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


I am the author for the word "Powerflush (heating)" I was logged in for 30 days, now I have been logged out and cannot remember my user name. Could someone please tell me the user name of the author of "Powerflush (heating)" which is currently languishing in my Sandbox!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Looking at the "Revision history" of Draft:Power flush (heating systems) - I suspect you are also User:Janlepkowski ? - Arjayay (talk) 11:36, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Michael Farrell (Activist) Google search Tab[edit]

To whom it may concern,

Having recently googled my colleague Michael Farrell - ( Northern Irish Activist - I discovered that the wikipedia tab giving details of Michaels shows he died in 200. I would like to tell you that Michael is very much alive and is still camapigning on a multitude of human rights issues. If you could please correct this mistake it would be very much appreciated.

Many Thanks,

Eamonn Tansey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:36, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The Wikipedia article Michael Farrell (activist) has not been edited for a long time and says he is living. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Just for the record, our article Michael Farrell (activist) does not, and never did, say he has died, and covers his career up to 2012. Arjayay (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Ed Mezvinsky. former congressman from Iowa[edit]

He was married before the woman you listed. Your report fails to list his first wife, who divorced him. It should be corrected. Also, his daughter in law is Chelsey Clinton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldsnh (talkcontribs) 17:40, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

The article Edward Mezvinsky says "Six months into his first term in Congress, Mezvinsky separated from his wife of ten years Myra Schulman; they were divorced two weeks after his 1974 re-election." Also, "In 2010 Edward Mezvinsky's son, Marc, married Chelsea Clinton." Maproom (talk) 19:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Tag: possible BLP issue or vandalism??[edit]

I recently made a legitimate edit (added a birth date to infobox) but "Tag: possible BLP issue or vandalism" showed up next to the edit summary. I've noticed this before when I've made a minor change to an infobox e.g. correcting a name or birth date. Why in the world is this showing up as vandalism, and what does it have to do with the infobox specifically? Thanks... 2604:2000:FFC0:1F9:4BE:10F9:EAC4:E40D (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey, 2604! That's a tag that got applied to your edit as a result of an edit filter. This particular edit filter is designed to track and tag non-autoconfirmed (that is, new or IP) editors' changes to infobox information, particularly to the article subject's name. Such changes are not uncommonly vandalism, and such vandalism can be harder than usual to detect and fix (because of the surrounding infobox template code, probably). So we have this filter and tag, to help keep track of it a bit better. However, it's just a tag, and as the tag says, it only flags it as "possible" vandalism. It's nothing personal, and it doesn't mean your edits actually are vandalism or anything; the edit filter has to be fairly indiscriminate as far as what edits to infoboxes it'll catch. The tags shouldn't cause you any trouble or anything, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Writ Keeper  22:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
In addition to what Writ Keeper said, using myself as an example, when I see that notation on an edit in my watchlist I make sure to check it. A common form of vandalism is to change info in an infobox. Add that to the fact that birth dates should be referenced to a reliable source per WP:BLP, it makes it one of the things that we need to be sure we have right. Oh, and it's not always vandalism by some random person. I've seen where people try to change an article about themselves to make it look as though they are younger. Actors and models are examples of people who might want to do this. Dismas|(talk) 00:21, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

July 12[edit]

Please start article[edit]

Please start an article on the Tuscaloosa Marine Shale. 128,000 hits on Google. Noteworthy and people like to learn about it. Need a Wiki article. (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually, Britannica is a different encyclopedia from Wikipedia. Dustin (talk) 00:58, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 ;-) (talk) 01:00, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
The OP has corrected Britannica > Wiki. Please don't delete threads that already have replies. You can suggest a new article at Wikipedia:Requested articles, or start one yourself at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. The deposit is mentioned, but only briefly at Louisiana Geological Survey. SpinningSpark 01:24, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

How do I change the title of an article?[edit]

Hi, I created a page a while ago on a company but I realize now that there is a capitalization mistake. I type one word of the company name in lowercase while I should have capitalized the first letter. I don't see any option to edit it. Can anyone offer some advice on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:08, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

We might be better able to help if you would link the article, so I ask that you please do so. Dustin (talk) 03:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Moving a page - but note that you won't be able to do this yourself unless you register, and get autoconfirmed rights. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:12, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Infobox issue for a person with two birth dates[edit]

Hi all. I have a question regarding the issue on how to fill in birth dates in biography infoboxes under an odd situation.

Specifically, my review of documents regarding Matsudaira Katataka reveals this person has two birth dates that are more than two years ago, one de jure (used in the current version) and one de facto. There are also verifiable sources that explained this fact--he was secretly adopted and posed as his adoptive father's posthumous son. Since hCard-compliant templates are recommended for filling birth dates in people infobox templates, which one should I use?--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 03:10, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

He has only one real birth date and that should be used, if he has assumed other dates then that can be explained in the article. MilborneOne (talk) 18:04, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Twinkle vs Rollback[edit]

Isn't Twinkle the same thing as rollback because twinkle can rollback multiple edits from a single user? What are the differences? I'm quite unsure if I should request for rollback.

Also, on the RfP page for Rollback why does it say 400 edits minimum? It used to be 200. 電子888說-TALK 07:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

AFAIK, the main difference is rollback generates a standard edit summary, whereas with twinkle you can provide a specific one. This means you can only use rollback for a narrow range of circumstances, mainly vandalism. You can use twinkle for any revert, but you must provide an edit summary (unless it's vandalism). DeCausa (talk) 08:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Making a draft article live[edit]

I have created a draft article but I am struggling with how to make it 'live".

Any help much appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinneck (talkcontribs) 10:13, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Go to the top under "more" click "move" and change it from draft to article..I'll take care of it for you. CTF83! 10:21, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Bathurst gaol[edit]

Bathurst gaol has a capacity of over 600 inmates. you have it listed at just 222. this is false and misleading — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Your claim sounds credible. Can you point us to a reliable source that will tell us the correct number? HiLo48 (talk) 11:05, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Free subscriptions[edit]

There was a notice recently about free subscriptions to a number of reference sites such as, Highbeam, Questia etc., but it's been removed. Anyone know the link to the page where I can apply for the subscriptions? Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 12:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Libraries. MilborneOne (talk) 18:12, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Ah, that's it, thanks Milbourne :) Gatoclass (talk) 04:43, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Colour Me Pop[edit]

Reference help requested. Is it possible to use the Radio Times list for Katch 22's appearance on Late Night Line Up / Colour Me Pop, as a cite to get my article published ? Thanks, Mike-eastman (talk) 15:01, 12 July 2014 (UTC) Mike Eastman. ( Katch 22 ) Mike-eastman (talk) 15:01, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure, if you have the Radio Times issue date and preferably page number. You need to ensure that the reference is formatted correctly: example
<ref>[[Radio Times]], dd mmm 1968, p. nn, ''Late Night Lineup'' listing</ref>
The brackets around "Radio Times" create a wikilink so that it is easy to see that it's a good source.: Noyster (talk), 15:39, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Creation of article[edit]

How do I create the title of the article? I tried double equal signs but that just creates a section head Thanks, H Crater — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcrater (talkcontribs) 17:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The name should generally be chosen when you create an article in the first place. You can, however, use a move function in certain situations. There should be a button to the right of the page's title if you are an autoconfirmed user and the page is not protected against moving. Dustin (talk) 18:36, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Possibly issue with category naming[edit]

I added the category Entrepreneurs, to Bob Citron, however the actual category added is called Businesspeople, not sure if this is an issue, if not i suggest to add a sub category for Entrepreneurs. prokaryotes (talk) 18:34, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

There has previously been discussion of [[Category: American entrepreneurs]], and it was merged into [[Category: American businesspeople]]. Since it has been previously discussed, re-creating the category should not be done unilaterally. I suggest that you go to WP:Categories for discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

adding a map based on a map already in commons[edit]

I have created a map showing the route taken by the clipper Ariel in 1865. This is based on a map of the world that I found in Wikimedia Commons. I have simply added the route and cropped the area shown to leave out most of the Pacific and some of the Arctic and Antarctic. I now want to upload it to Wikimedia Commons. The upload questions do not seem to cover this situation: the map is not entirely my own work, as it is a modified version of something already in Commons. But none of the other categories seem to apply. What should I do? Thanks,ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I am guessing you were using the Upload Wizard? If that was the case, I would recommend using the standard upload here. Dustin (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
There are certain templates you may use too. I will try to see if I cannot link them shortly. Dustin (talk) 18:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
This is one template which may help in clarifying your reasoning. Dustin (talk) 18:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
I may be able to further aid you if you link the specific file which is already on Commons which you are using in your map. Dustin (talk) 18:55, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Upload copyright material[edit]

I want to upload a file that includes an article, copyrighted by Amex-Canada, 1975, which no longer exists. The article is an obit of a famous Quaker pacifist, I'm sure they will not object. If I cant upload it, I will write my own obit since I knew the man personally. Thx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuart roche44 (talkcontribs) 18:46, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

1. Somebody owns the copyright, even if the original holder does not exist.
2. I hate to be the Friend to tell thee this, but an obit based on personal knowledge is not going to fly. We require reliable sources for our articles. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:16, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
If the article was published in a reliable place, then you may use it as a reference, and quote material from it as appropriate (though not normally the whole article) as long as you give the proper bibliographic information about the source, so that a reader could in principle consult it (eg order a copy from a public library). Sources do not have to be available online. ColinFine (talk) 17:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Is it ok to advertise paid Wikipedia editing on own blog?[edit]

So far this is just an idea,and wanted to check. prokaryotes (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Paid_editing#Paid_editing might be of use. Dismas|(talk) 20:42, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Dismas. prokaryotes (talk) 21:58, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Layout question[edit]

Hi, at there is an unwanted large white gap at the top left of the article, with the TOC appearing at the right. Is there a way to get rid of this blank space while keeping the TOC at the right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I am afraid that I do not see the white gap you are referring to. Would you mind mentioning what device and/or browser you are using? That may be what is causing the issue. Dustin (talk) 19:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Win 7 / IE 11, but I have fixed it now with a small rearrangement. Thanks. (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Assistance with a Draft Article[edit]

I have this message on a page i created for Katie Morag (TV Series) "This sandbox is in the Draft namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the This sandbox is in the Wikipedia namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the {{User sandbox}} template. template."

I received the message a few hours after I submitted the article to be reviewed before going live.

Can you guide me in what to do and how to do it, if indeed I need to do anything? I received this message by email, "The Wikipedia page User:Thinneck/sandbox has been moved on 12 July 2014 by MatthewVanitas, see for the current revision."

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinneck (talkcontribs)

Convenience link: Katie Morag (TV series) (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)
Note: The above article has already been created and moved to the main space before it was ready, so it needs work. Dismas|(talk) 20:41, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Wonky alphabetization[edit]

I've been categorizing Category:Wikipedia articles needing cleanup after translation from unknown language to their most likely source, thinking they'd be more likely to get the appropriate attention that way. I didn't know how creation of new subcategories for Category:Wikipedia articles needing cleanup after translation worked, but was noticing that pages weren't automatically generated for new language categories, in this case Georgian. So I went about creating Category:Wikipedia articles needing cleanup after translation from Georgian, leading to a Category with 2 pages, all is well. But now on the parent page, 'G' has taken the primary spot before 'A', and has somehow divided existing pages "German" (incorrectly positioned with "Georgian") and "Greek" (correctly aplhabetized). I haven't seen any evident difference between the page I created and the existing ones, so I don't understand why it would be behaving in this way. Musicandnintendo (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Checking that an article has moved from draft to live[edit]

I have created and edited an article Katie Morag (TV series) and thought I hadn't moved it from draft to article. When i attempted to do this a second time I received a message saying there was already an article of this name. How can I check that I have moved my article from draft to live? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinneck (talkcontribs) 21:45, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Somebody else already did it. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


The shield shown at Anne of Bohemia#Arms doesn't match the accompanying blazon The eagles are single-headed and on a background or, not argent. Is there a Heraldry project or other place where I could report this? Rojomoke (talk) 21:52, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

First, discuss it on the article page page, Talk: Anne of Bohemia. Also, to answer your question, there is Wikipedia:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology. (Vexillogy is the description of flags, which is traditionally done in heraldic terms with blazons. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:07, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
May I draw your attention to Category:Wikipedians who understand blazon. It contains over 120 members, including --Orange Mike | Talk 22:23, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Forum page vandalised[edit]

Why in the holy heck is the Wikipedia page Forum vandalised so frequently? Looking at the history, I see that pretty much every day, people replace its entire contents with either commercial spam or random nonsense, only to be reverted mere minutes afterwards. This has been happening for months, if not years, now. It's a disambiguation page at that. Why is this single page so special? JIP | Talk 22:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Because of people who somehow think that that page is itself a forum? They are looking for a forum in which to be heard, like the original Athenian Forum. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:25, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
But what they post there is generally not an expression of their own views, but machine-generated text with no discernible meaning. It is odd. Maproom (talk) 12:41, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't look machine-generated, but it is nonsense. It has only been vandalized by IPs twice this month, and twice by accounts. It isn't obvious why it attracts adverse attention. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

July 13[edit]

Referencing errors on Phil Kessel[edit]

Reference help requested. I don't know what you're talking about in the message you left. Thanks, Phil Kessel (talk) 03:07, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

@Phil Kessel: It looks like someone else fixed the problem for you. Piguy101 (talk) 03:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
That message is from a bot, based on an error within two particular uses of the cite web template. Since the template uses vertical bars | to separate elements in the template, a vertical bar as part of the title can't be used. It was objecting to the fact that WC-17 and WC were after vertical bars and it didn't know what to do with them. I've fixed it by changing those vertical bars to the {!}. Sort of tricky, I agree. Also, please read both the Conflict of Interest and WP:REALNAME policies, since I believe they apply to your situation.Naraht (talk) 03:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I still don't understand what I did wrong. I also don't get the conflict of interest part. I don't have one. I was just updating the page to contain more (sourced) information. I wasn't putting in my own opinions. I don't mind not doing what I was doing again it's just I still don't understand what any of this means. sorry! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Kessel (talkcontribs) 03:46, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

@Phil Kessel: Because your username is the same name as the article, you may have a conflict of interest. It shouldn't be a problem unless you add promotional, or otherwise problematic content to the Phil Kessel page. In addition, if you try to pretend that you really are Phil Kessel, problems may arise. I am not sure what to do if you really are Phil Kessel. Piguy101 (talk) 03:51, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

ha ha...okay now i get. No, don't worry I'd never troll on any Leafs-related pages or put promotional stuff or anything. I only made a bunch of changes to the Kessel article because it was badly written and was missing a bunch of stuff. But the stuff I put in was neutral was just adding more information that was consistent with what you would find on any other hockey player's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Kessel (talkcontribs) 03:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

The "bot" was complaining about some technical stuff, titles for the cites can't contain vertical bars unless you do some special stuff. I definitely agree "neutral enough". I've done some tweeks on the addition to Amanda Kessel, but they are mistakes (things put on the wrong side on the vertical bar in links, using an external link to refer back to wikipedia etc.Naraht (talk) 04:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy Deleter Statistics[edit]

Is there a way to see, for a particular user, how many articles they have flagged for speedy deletion and what these articles are/were?

I can see how many deletes a particular administrator has effected (WP:Adminstats), but I'm looking for statistics on people (or a particular person) who first flags an article for speedy deletion.

(I've just had a new article speedy deleted, and am trying to better understand the speedy delete process. I have read the "Deletion policy".)

Thanks. NingBing (talk) 03:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

@NingBing: I'm not sure if I can help you with part of your request, but I can tell you that RHaworth deleted Three word budget for the reason "Article about an organized event (tour, function, meeting, party, etc.), which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject." You can talk to him directly on his talkpage if you wish. Piguy101 (talk) 03:13, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
@NingBing: Oh, here is the list of pages that RHaworth has deleted: [5] I hope that this is what you want. Piguy101 (talk) 03:18, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Piguy101. It's not RHaworth's activity I'm interested in. He's the administrator who effected the delete (and I've been in communication with him). It's "The Drover's Wife" I'd like to see stats on, this is the person who flagged the article for speedy deletion. NingBing (talk) 04:28, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

User:The Drover's Wife posted on your talk page the notice that Three word budget had been nominated for speedy deletion and is probably the one who nominated it. —teb728 t c 05:47, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks teb728, I saw that (and mentioned that here). Two individuals were involved in the deletion. The Drover's Wife tagged it for speedy deletion and RHowarth was the administrator who did the deletion. For the administrator (RHowarth) I can see how many articles he has deleted and which articles he has deleted. I'd like to see similar information for the person (The Drover's Wife) who tagged the article for speedy deletion. Is this possible (tagger not administrator)? If so how, please? NingBing (talk) 06:00, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'm the one who flagged the article for speedy deletion. I did so because it was an obvious candidate - it was a flash-in-the-pan Twitter tag which attracted bugger all mainstream media attention and was completely forgotten about by the next week. It roundly failed even the most basic notability criteria for articles that Wikipedia has. I generally err on the side of including material on Wikipedia, I'm Australian, and I'm a fervent opponent of this budget (and thus agree with you politically) - this was just something that couldn't meet even the lowest possible bar Wikipedia has. The Drover's Wife (talk) 05:54, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

@NingBing: There is no easy way of finding this information since the edit adding the CSD tag gets deleted along with the article. If the user uses Twinkle to add the CSD tags they can optionally have Twinkle keep a log of articles they have nominated, but The Drover's Wife does not seem to have enabled this option. In principle, you could find the CSD nominations that have been declined by an administrator by going through the user's contribution history, but this would be quite a tedious process. In any case, I don't think that is a very useful way of trying to understand why your article was deleted. Try looking at WP:42 instead. SpinningSpark 13:47, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
In general if a user is active, then an high count of deleted edits probably indicates that they are doing deletion nominations. You will also get some good clues from the number of deletion warnings that they have placed on other users' talk pages and the number of deletion warnings placed by other users on their talk page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

The day and month on whichVaralakshmi vratam is celebrate d[edit]

With reference to the above article I wish to point out that Varalakshmi vratam is always celebrated ,at least in the states of Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka, on a Friday that precedes the Full moon day in the month of Shrava and not on a Thursday in the month ofMargashirsha,as stated. During this year( 2014 ) this falla on 8 August which is a Friday. During this year the month of Shravan falls between 27 July to 25 August (rainy season), whereas the month of Margashirsha falls from 23 November to 22 December( Winter season). VaraLakshmi Vratam is celebrated on a Friday before the Fullmoon day is perhaps due to the fact that during the year in which Lakshmi was born was a full moon day which also happened to be a Friday. Interesting to note that Lord Krishna was born Just eight days after this full moon day according to Sri MahaBhagavat. Ref: Sri MahaBhagavat and Telugu Calender B.K.Satyanarayana — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

The article Varalakshmi Vratam already states that the occasion is celebrated
...on the Second Friday or the Friday before full moon day - Poornima in the month of Śravaṇā, also called Śawan in Hindi, which corresponds to the English months of July–August.
However, the article Mahalakshmi vrata states that
Mahalakshmi Vrata or Varalaksmi Vratha is a sacred day in Hinduism. The ceremony is performed by men or women (typically married Hindu ladies) on the Thursday before the full moon in the month of Margashirsha in the Hindu calendar (corresponding to November/December in the western calendar).
If these two festivals are indeed one and the same, the two articles may need to be merged by someone familiar with this process. A suitable place to continue the discussion would be at the talk page of one of the articles: Noyster (talk), 09:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Problems with WelcomeMenu[edit]

The implementation of {{WelcomeMenu}} on User talk:Xenomorphs went wrong somehow. The table is unclosed and absorbing posts below it. Please fix. I can't see what went wrong, or how to fix it. I fixed it, but still can't see why it was substd that way.--Auric talk 12:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

As you seem to have discovered yourself, the closing table code "|}" needs to be on a new line. Since it was not, all the subsequent text was treated as part of the table. The template history shows that this error was never part of the template itself. The error could only have been caused by the original poster of the welcome message, user:Harrybrowne1986, but I'm not sure how it happened either. SpinningSpark 14:12, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Micropolitan Statistical Area[edit]

My name is G. Scott Thomas. It has been brought to my attention that the listing on Micropolitan Statistical Areas includes a tag that says my creation of the term is "dubious." Documentation can easily be provided. I would like this cleared up, since I feel the "dubious" tag is an unfair aspersion.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

You can provide sources here, or on the article talk page. However, my inclination at the moment is that the passage should be removed from the article entirely. Do you have a response to the reason given in the dubious tag; "A book titled Micropolitan development: Theory and practice of greater-rural economic development Luther G. Tweeten was published in 1976. If the definition there is the same, Thomas didn't coin it first."? SpinningSpark 15:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
We need an independent source that looks your article and says that you created it; your article can be used to talk about the phenomenon, but for the usage of the term itself, it's a primary source, so we need a secondary source that examines the creation of the term long after the fact. Nyttend (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

User Rights under Clean Start[edit]

Say you create an alternate account under WP:CLEANSTART. You are an experienced user and you had multiple user rights on your old account. Would it be permitted, with verification by the old account, to receive these user rights with the new account? Additionally, could you receive confirmed status on that account? (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

You probably cannot get granted any permissions from a previous account that you had before, such as confirmed, rollback, or reviewer. That's the whole point of a clean start. Piguy101 (talk) 17:12, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Micropolitan Statistical Area[edit]

G. Scott Thomas again.

I was unaware of Luther Tweeten until I was told about this mini-controversy over micropolitan areas. I have since tracked down a copy of his 1976 book. He specifies on the very first page that “micropolitan” refers to the 31 percent of the nation’s residents who did not live in counties officially included in metropolitan areas.

Micropolitan, in Tweeten’s definition, is everything that is not metropolitan.

My 1989 article in American Demographics and my 1990 book, The Rating Guide to Life in America’s Small Cities, took a considerably different tack. I established a series of six ground rules for micropolitan area, required them, among other things to have a central city of at least 15,000 residents and a surrounding county of at least 40,000 residents.

My definition of micropolitan, therefore, is much different from Tweeten’s. My micropolitan areas were minature versions of metropolitan areas. It was this definition that was adopted (and tweaked) by the Office of Management and Budget when it formally created micropolitan areas a decade later. (And I, indeed, was contacted by a member of the task force that created the new micropolitan areas.)

Several news articles in 1989 followed up on my article about micropolitan areas. Here’s an example from the Deseret News in Salt Lake City:

And another from the Chicago Tribune in that year:

And Kiplinger’s:

Academic organizations have long acknowledged my role in creating the term, such as the Southern Regional Science Association:‎

If you need more information, please let me know.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I have copied the above to the talk page of the article, which is the best place for this discussion. Maproom (talk) 19:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

adding a reference[edit]

hi. it was requested that I add a reference to the page i created related to Duane Boutte. I have done so. Will the page be preserved and not deleted? thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billystroud (talkcontribs) 18:27, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

1. An IMDb listing is not a reliable source as we define it; most of the content is generated either by the subject or by users of the IMDb.
2. An IMDb listing is not evidence of notability; lots of obscure people, including myself and my then-5-year-old daughter, have IMDb listings without being notable thereby (sorry, Kelly-chan). --Orange Mike | Talk 18:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Lead Azide Story with Reagan's ass- attempt[edit]

The subject of lead azide lateraled to a quip, about Ronald Reagan (then president), being shot by bullets with lead azide and coated-aluminum - which is false. The testing for a-n-y adulterants (poisons) or devastating compounds was negative. The applied description by wiki is a lie - unsubstantiated - and should be removed/revised. Lead azide used as this trauma-enhancing tool would have made a softball-sized cavity within, shattering the two-lobed lung, pericardium & muscled chambers at-entry. Virginia jackrabbits were all-over-this, so do not distort, or allow distortion of this terrible event into a humpty-dumpty tale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

What? Nyttend (talk) 20:34, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Seems to be a problem at Lead(II) azide. Perhaps the IP should consider that Hinckley didn't hit Reagan directly, just a ricochet. No softball-sized cavity would be expected. Also, just because something is designed to explode, doesn't mean it does. Things fail all the time. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:36, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
Or about Attempted_assassination_of_Ronald_Reagan. Maproom (talk) 22:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Filter Page List[edit]


I really enjoy using Wikipedia, but I've come across a problem that no page or user has really ever covered. It's about finding a list of pages in a certain wiki. To be more specific, I believe the MS Paint Adventures Wiki has ~823 pages on it. I can look at recent pages and edits in some places and search for certain pages in the search bar, but I can't get a list of all the pages in that wiki.

I saw there was a page that can't be edited, where all of the pages of Wikipedia were listed alphabetically, and I imagine the list grows everyday. I was wondering if I could filter that list to only show the ~823 pages of the MS Paint Adventures Wiki so I can print it or bookmark it if I'm expecting an update with more pages. (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)Chandzies

I'm not sure if I can help much, but MS Paint Adventures Wiki is not affiliated with Wikipedia. Piguy101 (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Special:Allpages is a core part of the MediaWiki software; if the MS Paint Adventures Wiki is running software similar to Wikipedia, go to its Special:Allpages page (type that into the URL, as that should be easiest) and you should get a list of all pages. Nyttend (talk) 20:36, 13 July 2014 (UTC)