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# April 24

## PDA Version

Hi, is there any online version of Wikipedia for PDAs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.250.107.170 (talk) 00:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

That might be neat, but won't it be hard to organize. (AQu01rius • Talk) 01:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, there's a PDA version of the Main Page. Since the default view of Wikipedia may be too complicated, you could always use a simpler skin (for example, see the Nostalgia skin). If you get an account, you can choose which skin to use by default in your user preferences. GracenotesT § 01:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Questions about Wikipedia on PDAs have come up before. --Teratornis 03:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Some useful links: Browser_notes#PDA & cell phone browsers, Wikipedia on PDAs and WAP access.--Commander Keane 06:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I access wiki all the time with my nokia e61 but that's got a full-featured browser. --Fredrick day 08:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Finding the author of an article

Hi, how do you find the name of the person who wrote a certian article?69.85.180.200 03:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)69.85.180.200 02:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Usually articles are written by multiple people. But, you can find the significant contributors by clicking on the history tab at the top of every article. DoomsDay349 02:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
See: WP:VFAQ#Who wrote article X on Wikipedia?. --Teratornis 03:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
• If you think you need to know this to cite the article in a paper or project, you are mistaken. Please see the "Cite this article" link in the menu to the left when you're reading the article. - Mgm|(talk) 07:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Edit article title

Please change the article title "Kara Khula" to "Khara Khula." It was my mistake when I created the page.

Thanks.

Buzava —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzava (talkcontribs)

Fixed. In the future, after your account is 4 days old, you can rename pages yourself. Click the "Move" tab at the top of the article and fill in the information. See WP:MOVE for more info. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 03:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Vain text in biographical article

The lede of Mike Daisey's article contains two (well-deserved, I'm sure) glowing reviews from prominent newpapers. As such it reads like the text of Mr. Daisey's press-kit, and not like a encyclopedic biographical article. I'm inclined to just delete the offending text, is that appropriate?

Jrauser 03:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I would not delete it outright, because it appears to be reliably sourced (had it been self-written, it would seem to brush up on, if not violate, WP:PEACOCK). However, I would recommend moving the reviews out of the lead section and into a "Reviews" section. The Reviews section could have subsections for positive and negative reviews. I'm sure every performer has some negative reviews, because critics have diverse tastes; if you are concerned that the well-sourced positive reviews lead to imbalance, find some well-sourced negative reviews (Wikipedia:NPOV tutorial#Space and balance, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight). See WP:LEAD for what should be in the lead section of an article. --Teratornis 03:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Text moved to a reviews section, note added to talk page. Thanks for the advice. Jrauser 04:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
You might also see about giving Mr. Daisey an infobox. For some ideas, see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes. --Teratornis 17:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
And good job, by the way. --Teratornis 18:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## maps

where to find the map of my street/chennai

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Hersfold (talk/work) 14:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Map lists several interesting map-related links. --Teratornis 17:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## svchost error

Dear Sir I Have a server ML110 & another 9 pcs on network if i am useing server stand alone its working fine but when ill connect it on lan its gave me svchost error after that cut copy pest not working internet not working lan not working . Can u help me this out

pls revert back as soon as possible

regards

sanjeev

kumarsan11@yahoo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.94.143.11 (talk) 06:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

• Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. =- Mgm|(talk) 07:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Bot image warnings

When I get a warning that an image I uploaded may be deleted, do I respond to the bot or just fix the problem? Or both? I'm speaking of in particular Image:BX_Cars_at_149_Mile_House.gif which I uploaded a while back before I understood the public domain Canada 50 years tag and made it fair use in error. Now I added the proper tag and removed the bots tag. Is that the correct procedure in a case like this?CindyBo 06:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Now that you have included a suitable tag and a description, it looks fine to me, but if anyone wants to correct me, go ahead. Extranet (Talk | Contribs) 07:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
• You don't need to contact the bot. All it does is warn people who don't properly tag their images. It leaves the actual deleting to administrators. Side note: Barnard's Express needs a lead section that starts with the words "Barnard's Express is ....". Right now anyone who starts reading will get lost because the opening doesn't have enough context. Also, the image are a bit small. You can make them a tad bigger without any problems. - Mgm|(talk) 07:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Image:The Entertainer - Scott Joplin.ogg

According to the Wikipedia Signpost, this file was demoted as a featured sound. Where is the discussion that led to this decision? - Mgm|(talk) 12:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/April 2007. -- Rick Block (talk) 13:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## search for a keyword

It must be in one of the archives by now. All I need is a way to search only the reference desks, both current and archived for a single keyword. How do I do this? 71.100.8.252 13:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Go to google and type site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/ followed by the keyword you're looking for. Google will then only search the Ref desks and the archives. Dismas|(talk) 13:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
You may prefer this cleaner Google search form.
Unfortunately, some of the Reference desks delete their archives after a short time. For example, although not strictly speaking a Reference desk page (I guess), Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive says it deletes everything after 14 days. All the material is still available in the page history, but that is not visible to search engines such as Google Search. To search WP:VPT farther back than 14 days, you would have to download a dump of the Wikipedia database and write your own search queries in MySQL. I cannot understand why WP:VPT does not keep its archives available in perpetuity. Some of those questions and answers are not only illustrative, they could cut down on repetitive questions. In any case, if you don't find something you expect to find in an archive search, check the archive in question to make sure it actually extends as far back as you need. --Teratornis 16:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

WOW! This really does the trick. Thanks muchkins... 71.100.8.252 18:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark

Hi, I have been drawn into editing this page: Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark

The page has a long history of extremely inappropriate and I would even say libelous content etc. Wiki on CP Mary is considered a joke and a plaything of people who have a long history of lies and distortions about Mary in other fora.

I am not yet very knowledgeable about the wiki format and rules etc. but would like the opportunity with time to develop the page in keeping with facts and the encyclopedic mode. So far I have dealt with content because so much of it was incorrect and inappropriate. A wiki editor with 'considerable' experience has edited the page and reverted my edits, chastising me for filling the body with external links to the patronages of the subject. If this is against wiki rules or standard, then I would like some advice about this from a source I can trust as the editor seems to be engaged in myriad disputes across many topics.

When this editor's edit is applied a box appears at the top of the page stating that it does not correlate with encyclopedic standards. With my edit this does not appear.

At this point I am confused about how to proceed. I am interested in the correct information being on the subject's wiki page but I am not interested in becoming involved in a wiki war. I understand the democratic nature of this project so I would appreciate some advice on how to proceed.

Thanks, tosindmin 13:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Another problem may be that you introduced enormous amounts of detail into the lead section of the article. However, the lead section is supposed to be a short summary of what follows (see Wikipedia:Lead section. Notinasnaid 14:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The best place to discuss an article is usually on its talk page. Click the "Discussion" tab at the top of the article to get to Talk:Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark. Some of your content changes may be good but they can be hard to spot in the many inappropriate style changes and removal of valid material. It would take a long time for other editors to clean up your huge edits, e.g. this which removed all categories and interwiki links (links to the same article in other languages). It's imperfect but understandable that editors just revert you when the previous version has less problems than your version. I suggest to read up on Wikipedia policies and guidelines, make smaller edits at a time, make informative edit summaries, and discuss major changes on the article's talk page. PrimeHunter 15:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
If you read and understand all that material, you will have few problems correcting factual errors in an article while minimizing conflicts with other Wikipedia editors. Also note: there are many wikis, so it's best to refer to this wiki by its proper name: "Wikipedia" to distinguish it from all the others. Strictly speaking, this is the English Wikipedia (there are many Wikipedias in other languages), but usually we just say Wikipedia here to refer to the English Wikipedia unless we need to distinguish it from the Wikipedias in other languages.
If all those documents about policies and guidelines seem complex, that is because they are! However, you have mastered other complex skills before, such as learning how to read and write, and learning to edit on Wikipedia isn't any harder than that. It's like learning how to speak a foreign language. You read books about the language, you practice it, and hopefully you get some immersive training by going to some place where everybody speaks it. At first it is difficult and stressful, because you have to rely on limited short term memory to cope with unfamiliar tasks. Eventually the relevant knowledge sinks into long term memory and becomes second nature. --Teratornis 15:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Teratornis: Wow! Did you type that all out, or is it from a template? --ais523 17:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I just typed it quickly off the top of my head, in between other things I'm doing on my real job, although I clicked the Help link in the Wikipedia navigation bar to look up the exact references to the terms mentioned in the paragraphs above mine. I probably also looked at User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia because I tend to look at that while composing most of my Help desk answers. John's index answers most questions here. Speaking of templates, it might be useful to make a set to answer all the questions in WP:VFAQ. --Teratornis 18:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## how to search for informations

how to search for informations122.164.22.255 14:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Use the search bar at left, or search on Google by adding the code "site:en.wikipedia.org". If you have a specific question, try the reference desk. Hersfold (talk/work) 14:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
See: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Sea for more ways to search Wikipedia. If you want to search the World Wide Web, see search engine and vertical search. If you want to search information that is only on paper, go to a bricks and mortar library and ask a reference librarian for help, or look in the card catalog. --Teratornis 15:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
And if you want to search the Deep Web, you may have to wait a while for Google to figure out how to index it for searching. --Teratornis 16:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello! I asked a guy for a photo he put on Flickr, for a WP article - a stub I started. He's not against it BUT wants to be sure he's not losing his copyrights if he needs to use it after.

• What do I tell him ?
• Where can he check that what I tell is true (here or upon any good site) ?
• What has he to state by writing (that shall be put, say by myself - on the image's page) ?

Beware that nobody cares for Creative Commons here. It's just that he allows WP and WP only. Thanks a lot. -- DLL .. T 16:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Images licenced for use on Wikipedia only are not permitted (in fact, they can be speedied). Wikipedia only allows images that can be freely distributed (except in cases of fair use), because otherwise the encyclopedia as a whole couldn't sensibly be mirrored. (The point is that the text is meant to be reusable, including the creation of derivative works, etc., and the images should have a similar reusability.) If the person who owns the picture is unwilling to release it for anyone to create derivative works from, then unfortunately it can't be used on Wikipedia. See commons:Commons:Licensing for a description of what is and isn't permitted as a 'free use' image. --ais523 16:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Ais523. Now all I've got to do is find out the relevant FAQ page ... -- DLL .. T 16:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

• Left a note on DLL's talk page. Licenses give someone permission to use the image. The original photographer still holds the copyright. - Mgm|(talk) 18:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## How do i delete all logs?

Hi there, when I opened the deletion log link after I logged in to my Wikipedia account i noticed a drop-down bar named 'logs' which shows a log of a combined display of upload, deletion, protection, user block, page move, user creation, user renaming, and user rights logs. How do I delete all of the logs made for my Wikipedia account? 172.206.222.233 16:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You don't. The logs, and your contributions (Special:Contributions) are there at least partly so that we can track abuse of the system. If you've been editing correctly and in good faith, the quality of your logs should speak for themselves; here's mine, for instance. The only reason why you'd want logs deleted would be if there was something there which would need to be removed for legal/privacy reasons (in which case only the offending entries would be removed, not the entire log), or if you'd been vandalising.) Hope that helps! --ais523 16:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
• To keep Wikipedia working effectively, we need to know who did what and when. That's why the logs are there. It's not created specifically for your account (you're not even logged in, so I'm not even sure you have one). When you click on that link in your contributions page it lists the log entries relevant to your account or IP address for your convenience. Not just your stuff is logged. Everyone's work is logged. -0 Mgm|(talk) 18:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Merging 2 Articles

Upon doing research for my final paper in my Epi 601 class, I discovered that there are two articles on very similar topics, Fusobacterium necrophorum and Fusobacterium. I discovered this as I was going to put a Bacteria stub tag on the Fusobacterium necrophorum page, when I discovered the Fusobacterium page already had one. I understand that the genus is Fusobacterium, and the species is necrophorum. However, I don't believe there is enough information to warrant a seperate article for necrophorum, considering both articles inherently say the same thing. Possibly, there may be more information sometime to warrant an expansion. I don't want to make such a major change without guidance. Any suggestions? Thanks! WiiAlbanyGirl 17:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

If you see two articles on almost identical subjects, feel free to merge them! See Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages for full instructions; here's a simplified guide.
1. Place {{merging}} on the page that you're merging from (the page that won't end up being the final merged page), to redduce the risk of people editing the pages while you're trying to merge them.
2. Edit all relevant information from the page you're merging from into the page you're merging to (this step can be very easy if the pages are near-identical!). Make sure that your edit summary says 'merging from' and the page that you're merging from; this information is needed for copyright reasons.
3. Edit the page you're merging from to say nothing but
#REDIRECT ''page you're merging to'' {{R from merge}}

This should create a merged page and a redirect. (See Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages for fuller instructions.) Hope that helps! --ais523 17:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I just merged the F. Necrophorum article into Fusobacterium, with two subsections on notable species, including F. necrophorum and F. Nucleatum. I think this, along with the addition of numerous academic sources, makes this the right decision. The merger is appropriate, in my opinion. I think the size of the article now warrants me to remove the stub tag, but please let me know of your opinion on this. I will put it back if you believe it to be appropriate. Thanks! WiiAlbanyGirl 18:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, not that I carry any weight around here, Fusobacterium is safely beyond the stub stage now. Nice work. --Teratornis 19:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Linking a picture from Wikitravel

I want to link a picture from Wikitravel into a wikipedia article. I have made some attempts but have been unsuccessful. the picture I want is

File:Great pyramid sphinx.jpg
The Great Pyramid and the Sphinx

.--Ccson 17:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

This image does not exist. You have to upload it to Wikipedia first. However, I don't think you can do this, because the original image in Wikitravel ([1]) does not give any copyright details. Notinasnaid 17:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I know it doesn't exist in wikpedia. I want to know if there is some syntax or whatever that will allow me to point to the file in wikitravel to be displayed in a wikpedia article. this syntax, [[:wikitravel:Image:Great_pyramid_sphinx.jpg|The Great Pyramid and the Sphinx]] provides a link in wikipedia The Great Pyramid and the Sphinx , but I want the image to be displayed with appropriate caption. Ccson 17:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
No, sorry. Wikitravel has no connection to Wikipedia. And the image cannot, so far as I see, be uploaded to Wikipedia. Notinasnaid 17:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
• Also, WikiTravel's copyright is not compatible with that of Wikipedia, so make sure we can use the image before copying it and if you do, make sure you include all information from the original page. That said, you could save yourself some work and use the search engine Mayflower (see the searching menu on my userpage) to see if Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Commons doesn't have a similar image. - Mgm|(talk) 18:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## A relatively complex question about editing

Out of curiousity, can a non-admin help clear Category:Candidates for speedy deletion? Is it OK and acceptable to remove the templates from the pages that don't meet the CSD criteria? Evilclown93 19:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, if you are experienced enough to know exactly what the CSD criteria mean, you can untag them. Remember to send something to AFD if it should be deleted for other reasons. Avoid untagging articles you're personally involved with without talking to whoever tagged it or without getting some wider input. - Mgm|(talk) 19:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
• It would also be a courtesy to the person who placed the tag in the first place, to explain on their Talk page why you removed the tag. Corvus cornix 23:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Deleted categories

I'm sorry to bother the help desk about this. I have tried to find something in the help files with out success. I'm going to guess the answer is no. Is there any way of determining the the contents of a category after it has has been deleted? Thanks, Fred 19:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

• No, it's not possible to figure out the contents of an article as articles are categorized by editing the article, not the category. There is a category watchlist which warns you if an article is removed or added (after you've installed the script) and there's probably people who can do a look up in a database dump which may or may not be up to date. Perhaps you should suggest a fix for that in Bugzilla. - Mgm|(talk) 19:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## universal remote codes-

the web site on the universal remote control is: "www.oneforeall.com", (thats all i know)!!, But whenev3r i put the web site in it comes up to Map Web Site..... Could you help me please.... i need the VCR, TV, DVD, ect. booklet.

E-Mail back @ <...email removed...>

Write Back!

THANK YOU!!!  :)

Sincerely,

speedi_gurl


—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.240.120.23 (talk) 19:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

## how do I get wp to email me when my article being watched changes?

Is there a way to set it up so that WP emails me when the article I am watching changes? please reply on my talk page as well if possible. Tkjazzer 19:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You can imagine the server load that would be required to run a feature such as that: many editors' watchlists have hundreds, even thousands, of entries. Those watchlists will contain dozens of changes at any given time. Sending automated e-mails for all those changes would be totally impracticable, even if only some editors opted to use the facility for some pages. Adrian M. H. 19:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
See WP:RSS. --Teratornis 21:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Questions

well i made a wikipedia site called Bushmaster Knock-off and its a paintball gun , but the real name is BKO (04 bko to be specific) , it is rumored to be called Bushmaster knock-off.. so what im wondering if the named can be changed to ICD BKO or BKO/04 bko.. also when u search for BKO it redirect you to some airport.. plz help. 74.113.145.113 19:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

an article can be moved, see requested moves. But Bushmaster Knock-Off has been nominatd for deletion, so it may not matter in this case. DES (talk) 20:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Buggin me

Can someone put this into their monobook.js and tell me if it works?

importScript('User:Razorclaw/extraeditbuttons.js');


And if not. What can I do to fix it?  Razorclaw  20:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I have tested it, and it worked! Congrats! -Mschel 20:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Sweet! Thanks a ton! Regards,  Razorclaw  23:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## history

how can I erase my search history? 190.56.67.92 20:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the questions just above this one, you will find the same question, with answers. It has nothing to do with Wikipedia or any particular website. Wikipedia:Help_desk#Clearing Wikipedia Search History Adrian M. H. 21:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Table classes

Where can I find a list of table classes (e.g. "infobox bordered", "wikitable")? Thanks. tiZom(2¢) 21:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC) $Insert formula here$

The page Help:Table should provide some help. If not, it has some links near the bottom which lead to some pages on Meta that should definitely have what you need. Hersfold (talk/work) 22:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
A somewhat ugly way to see what I guess may be a definitive list (plus a lot of other information to confuse the issue) is to look at MediaWiki:Common.css. --Teratornis 16:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Where do I go to learn how to upload movies to wikipedia? [Mαc Δαvιs] ❖ 21:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The page Wikipedia:Media#Video should help you out. Hersfold (talk/work) 22:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Photo

Hi. I recently uploaded a photo and the website gives permission to do so. Here is the photo. Image:WTNR Tower.jpg My concern is that the following message is posted within it.
Licensing

Only non-commercial or educational use of this file is permitted.

Dear uploader: This media file, which you just uploaded, has been listed for speedy deletion because you indicated that only non-commercial or educational use of the file is allowed. While it might seem reasonable to assume that such files can be freely used on Wikipedia, a non-profit website, this is in fact not the case[2][3]. Please do not upload any more files with this restriction on them, because content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with the GNU Free Documentation License, which allows anyone to use it for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial. See our non-free content guidelines for more more information.

If you created this media file and want it to be kept on Wikipedia, remove this message and replace this with {{GFDL-self}} to license it under the GFDL, or {{cc-by-sa-2.5}} to license it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license, or use {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain.

If you did not create this media file but want it to be used on Wikipedia, there are two ways to proceed. First, you may replace this message with one of the fair use tags from this list if you believe one of those fair use rationales applies to this file. Second, you may want to contact the copyright holder and request that they make the media available under a free license.

However, on the website, it says this:

All pictures are copyrighted by Tom Bosscher, 2005 But, they may be used without prior approval provided Tom Bosscher is given credit for the photograph(s).


Curran (talk) 21:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

P.S., please view the Summary heading where I specified this info. Thanks, Curran (talk)
Note to others: There is a {{db-noncom}} tag in there but I removed it to stop the tagging of the Help Desk for speedy deletion. 22:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there another tag I'm missing, because the help desk is still showing up in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion--VectorPotentialTalk 22:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind, the category was added to a completely different thread, I've now removed it--VectorPotentialTalk 22:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Ack, please don't repost speedy deletion templates here. It can cause problems. Thanks.
You must have added a licensing template that had a non-commercial usage clause in it - those tags aren't allowed on Wikipedia, as they violate the GDFL. I've replaced the message with an {{Attribution}} tag, which should be what the author wanted. Hersfold (talk/work) 22:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I think you chose the wrong licence from the drop-down box; the 'templatized' version of those licence terms would be {{Attribution}} (you can add templatized licence terms by typing the {{template}} involved in the 'description' page and choosing 'none selected'). --ais523 17:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
(By the way, a full list of templatized licences is at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. --ais523 17:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia editors I am writing to you as a consequence of an entry being deleted from Wikipedia a few weeks ago. I would like to question this decision as it is my belief that this is a grave mistake. The entry was dedicated to the artist “Miltos Manetas”. It strikes me as particular ironic that one of the international artworld’s most celebrated and groundbreaking internet artists should not be omitted from the major online encyclopedia.

Having just entered his name in a Wikipedia search it reveals that he is still mentioned in several important contemporary art entries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blow_de_la_Barra One of his galleries, Blow de la Barra (London, www.blowdelabarra.com) where he recently exhibited his Internet Paintings. (www.internetpaintings.com)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_art http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_Aesthetics Miltos Manetas’ work is referred to in Nicolas Bourriaud’s influential essay on contemporary art practice Relational Aesthetics in 1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Galerie His Parisian gallery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakis_Joannou A respected Greek collector.

I trust this, in itself, should indicate the validity of his presence as a single personal entry but will proceed with more information that might contribute to an appeal for review.

Artist Miltos Manetas was born in Greece in 1964. He lives in London and Los Angeles. Manetas makes websites that are artworks, they hang on the internet as a painting hangs on the walls of a museum. ). In 2000, he contacted the Californian company Lexicon to commission a new word for internet art. Manetas then launched the concept of “neen” (www.neen.org ), a new art movement, pioneering in particular with relation to artistic activity on the world wide web. Manetas has become a collector of internet art. This website provides links to internet art by other artists as “neenstars” rally.

One of Manetas’ most famous web artworks is the interactive www.jacksonpollock.org His www.manetas.com website sets out all his different projects.

Manetas is very active on Second Life where an architect is currently building him a house and he is invited to important international conferences on digital subjects: http://www.dld-conference.com/2006/11/manetas_miltos.html His paintings also concentrate on the internet and embody the activity of surfing from one site to another for instance, or the now common human environment and activity sitting in front of the computer screen or surrounded by wiring and technological equipment (from mouses to printers).

In February this year, Miltos Manetas directed a five-day digital workshop in Dan Graham’s pavilion at The Hayward in London within the digital part of our 100 IDEAS programme of events. On this occasion he developed www.existentialcomputing.com This theory and website will be further developed during his year-long collaboration with the digital curator of Fargfabriken, Stockholm in Sweden. www.fargfabriken.se/ http://www.myspace.com/fargfabriken

I sincerely hope this will help you consider reinstating the Miltos Manetas entry. Please feel free to contact me within any questions. I would be delighted to contribute by providing neutral text for this but have not understood the official route for this or whether it is possible in this case. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carohan (talkcontribs) 22:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

If the article did not sufficiently establish the person's notability, then it would have been deleted under Criteria for Speedy Deletion A7, concerning articles about non-notable people and groups. Wikipedia cannot serve as a source of notability.
After reviewing the deletion log here, it's clear that this article was created several times and eventually protected to stop repeated vandalism. I suggest you speak with the last administrator to be involved with the page, Cbrown1023, and discuss a way to write and post an article that fits within our guidelines. Please see WP:BIO, WP:CSD, and WP:V before doing so. Thanks. Hersfold (talk/work) 22:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## Original research

Hypothetical situation: I personally interview Person A, and he states (for example) that he was born on May 5, 1967 in Omaha, Nebraska. My interview was not published. Is it considered "original research" if I add those facts to the Wikipedia page about Person A? - Mark Dixon 22:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Original research (OR) is a term used in Wikipedia to refer to unpublished facts, arguments, concepts, statements, or theories. Probably yes. Probably not, then. 22:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Not so sure, actually...

Original research that creates primary sources is not allowed. However, research that consists of collecting and organizing information from existing primary and/or secondary sources is, of course, strongly encouraged. All articles on Wikipedia should be based on information collected from published primary and secondary sources. This is not "original research"; it is "source-based research", and it is fundamental to writing an encyclopedia. - From WP:NOR#Primary,_secondary,_and_tertiary_sources

I would think that the interview (listed as a primary source further ahead in that same section) would be perfectly legal. Unfortunately, I can't find a citation template for it, so I'm not sure. That quote above makes me think it would be acceptable, though. Hersfold (talk/work) 22:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
It may not be considered original research. But it cannot be included in an article. Why? Because the facts cannot be verified. Nobody has that interview text but you. Sticking it on a web site won't make any difference because anyone can put stuff on a web site. If it was an article published in a reputable source, it would be a different story. You may be focussing too much on the "no original research" policy but not enough on the "reliable sources" policy. Notinasnaid 23:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
That's the part I wasn't sure about. Ok, thanks. Hersfold (talk/work) 01:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
• Of course, when you have a video or sound recording of the interview you can put up, it is more likely to be considered reliable. If you do interviews in the line of your job, wait for it to be published before you cite it. - Mgm|(talk) 08:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Related question: could Person A himself add information, or make corrections to incorrect information, on the Wikipedia page about him? He's a reliable source, and didn't really "research" it. - Mark Dixon 06:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

## I added a picture to my page and it says I need to add certain things to prevent my page from being deleted?

I added some things to my page, (Images) and after I viewed them it told me in a red box under the picture

Where Did It come from? Who made created it?etc.

how and where do I add these things?Sunny Gill265 22:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You need to specify the source of the image (did you make it, get it from a website, etc.) and add a copyright tag. If you got the image from another website, it is most likely copyrighted so you need to use a fair use tag and give a summary, for each article it is in, why it is fair use. See WP:NONFREE for more information on fair-use. You can edit an image page like any other page; just click the edit link on the top. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 22:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to post a comment on a particular page ("Polymerase Chain Reaction") but on the discussion/talk page there doesn't seem to be a link to "start a new topic" or anything similar. Am I missing something? Shouldn't there be a link/button near the top of the discussion/talk page? If so, I'm not seeing it - could it be a browser-dependent issue? Thanks.

Beth Rogers 22:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC) Beth Rogers

Well I went to the page (and BTW wikilinked the article in your question for the convenience of other editors) and the + at the top shows for me, so I'm not sure. Anchoress 22:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe the user isn't aware that the + is what is used to start a new topic for discussion on that page. Dismas|(talk) 04:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

## Dogs and roaches

I have three dogs and I want a natural safe way to get rid of roaches. help66.110.236.224 23:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You might want to see the reference desk - this desk is for Wikipedia-related stuff. However, note that Wikipedia is not your personal vet just as it is not a doctor or lawyer. 23:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

## GETTING SOMETHING PUT IN WIKIPEDIA...

I AM WONDERING HOW TO GET SOMETHING IN WIKIPEDIA..IE..A PERSON..LIKE A LOCAL CELEBRITY...

ANY SUGGESTIONS??

THANKS...

23:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)69.152.192.158 23:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The best part is, you can do it yourself. See Help:Starting a new page. Wikipedia:Your first article is also useful. 23:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
BTW, to start a page, you need to create an account. Evilclown93 00:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
And also, the subject needs to meet some quite strict notability rules, or the article will just be deleted. See Wikipedia:Notability. Read it first, because it is upsetting to write a nice article only to see it deleted. If it's a local celebrity ask yourself: can I find a number of serious articles about this person (not just listing him or her) in non-local newspapers. Notinasnaid 08:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)