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November 5[edit]

Re-Instating Chef Lorena Garcia's Wiki Page[edit]

I am a representative of Lorena Garcia, and for some reason her page was deleted. We would love to have it re-instated.

I had tried to reach out to the mods who deleted it, but to no avail.

01:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbaroth (talkcontribs)

That very poorly written article was twice deleted, as an article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. It seems to have been created by an account whose only purpose was to advertise chefs. I will also point out, of course, that it was never "her page"; and that as a representative of Garcia, you are a very poor candidate to create a new article about her. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I added a request at Requested articles. In the mean time, perhaps you can donate some photos of her to be used in Wikipedia by uploading them to Wikimedia Commons. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

how to undo something I edited on wikipedia[edit]

I wanted to know how to erase my ip address from the article I recently edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [details removed] 04:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

as part of the Creative Commons attribution licensing it pretty much has to stay. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Oversight. Basically, email or see Wikipedia:Requests for oversight to have an IP address suppressed. . -- Jreferee (talk) 04:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
But now your IP address is here too. If you have an account, perhaps your should choose the "keep signed in" option to prevent your IP address from being spread around. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I have removed your IP address from the visible text here, though it is still visible in the page history. This means there will be fewer revisions to be hidden if you contact the oversight team. For the future, the recommended way to hide your IP address is to register an account. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Could someone fix or tweet an article I started about a little known called Ricky_O'Neill?[edit]

The article I started is less than a stub. Thanks! Venustar84 (talk) 06:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

If he is, as you say, little known, it may be better to delete the article. Maproom (talk) 07:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Ricky is a real person who starred in the TV program treasure island and this webpage proves he exist: Must his Wikipedia be deleted? Venustar84 (talk) 00:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Just for documentation, Ricky O'Neill has been nominated for deletion and there is helpful advice on User talk:Venustar84.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Which subject should I study at university?[edit]

Hello, It seems like I'm a dumb person. I just don't want to make another wrong decision, so please help me! In 2007 I graduated from high school with high scores, then I went to study at Institute of Technology as civil engineering. Life has treating me badly. I decided to stop study to support my brothers. After graduated they have good job except me. Now I want to go back to study, but I think it's too late for civil engineering. I worked day and night. My brain is weak to remember thing. Can you please advise me what should I do to make sure that I choose a correct subject? I'm very much appreciate for your kindly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:31, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

It's only six years since you left high school: it's not too late to take up civil engineering. But this is the help desk for how to use and edit Wikipedia, so you aren't really asking in the right place. Maproom (talk) 08:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC), if you have enough engineering courses, you might be apply to be a patent agent. See this. Or you may be able to work as a patent examiner.[1] You can ask more questions at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous, since the help desk for how to use and edit Wikipedia. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Why have I received a Welcome Notice?[edit]

I first logged in to Wikipedia in the summer of 2012. Why am I now in receipt of all this "Welcome" material in November 2013?

Up until now I was quite used to providing small edits (spelling, grammar, etc) and occasionally getting the confidence to add more on subjects that I know well. This morning I cannot see how to add a new section to a Talk page.

Your instruction boxes (if they are bots, I wouldn't know, it is not a word in my vocabulary) appear not to have been written recently. Have you just introduced a new edit-and-talk regime without revising the background information and instructions?

--Oldontarian (talk) 09:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Oldontarian. The welcome note was added in July 2012. Quite possible you might have missed it till date. The other messages on your talk page consist of one message of thanks and one by a bot. All you need to do to create a new section is click on the "+" character (or "new section" tab) that appears at the top of your talk page. If you wish to reply to any message, click on the "edit" tab on the top of the talk page. Do you think this answer is helpful enough? If not, write back. Wifione Message 09:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
"You have new messages"
Hmm, I'm puzzled. Your first edit was in May 2012. You were welcomed in July 2012. You've been editing regularly since then, so I'm surprised if you didn't notice the link to your talk page message until today - you should have had a big orange bar for several months at least, saying "You have new messages" (looking something like the image here). To add a new section to a talk page, just click "new section" or "+" (I think it may vary between user preferences). If you can point us to an instruction box that needs a look, please do so and someone will see if it can be improved. BencherliteTalk 09:52, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


I want to edit a page that is only in German, but I want to change the page to English. Do I have to create another page? (talk) 10:52, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

See WP:Translation. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:57, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Can you tell us which page you're trying to translate? If we know that, we can help you a little better. Bobnorwal (talk) 02:25, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Language links on User:UBX/GIMP[edit]

I've got a problem with {{User:UBX/GIMP}}. I've removed the language links from the code, because they're available on Wikidata, however after this edit, do not appear. I've reverted. --Rezonansowy (talk • contribs) 11:51, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikidata#Scope of Wikidata's language links says that " all namespaces of Wikipedia projects other than "User" and "Special" are eligible for storage on Wikidata.", so I assume that it doesn't work for pages in the User: namespace. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I thought so, but that's a problem that User:UBX was created to handle templates like this and needs the Wikidata abilities. Besides, I don't understand something, {{User:UBX/GIMP}} has working data item on WD - d:Q14445044, so it was eligible for storage on Wikidata. It has even the language links, however they only do not appear in the article. --Rezonansowy (talk • contribs) 12:36, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
My guess from the symptoms you describe is that the software has been coded not to use Wikidata when providing inter-wiki language links from User: namespace, but to be sure you would need to ask the experts at Wikidata. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:21, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks for quick reply. --Rezonansowy (talk • contribs) 12:29, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Re-editing and re-submitting articles[edit]


My article was declined, although I was invited to edit it before resubmitting it. I have edited my article under the talk page provided by the user who declined it. I saved it, how do I resubmit the article? Do I have to rewrite it in the Article Wizard? VilliersPark (talk) 12:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

While editing you removed the Afc template at the top of the page. This should stay until the draft has been approved. I restored it. The approver will remove this template when the draft is moved to become a live article.
When you are ready for anotehr revediw, click the alrge blue button below the previous decline reason.
However, at present I think this would be declined again. The draft reads like a handout from the organization. Content such as "Villiers Park offers a range of activities to inspire and challenge able students." and "Offering practical help to develop students’ employability skills, create an effective CV, and define career goals." read like marketing-speak. In fact the whole thing looks as if it had been copied from an organization web site or handout. If that is so, Wikipedia cannot accept it at all for copyright reasons. Even aside from any copyright issues, Wikipedia articles must be neutral and objective, must be verifiable, preferably with citations to independent reliable sources. The page does not yet have such sources cited. DES (talk) 13:19, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
A problem you are having is that you are trying to write aboutVilliers Park Educational Trust and you are doing so based on information published by Villiers Park Educational Trust itself. Wikipedia works the opposite of that. The Villiers Park Educational Trust Wikipedia article should summarize reliable source information (think newspapers, books, magazines) and should be based on sources that are independent of Villiers Park Educational Trust. It looks like Villiers Park Educational Trust has been around since 1969,[2] so the topic probably meets WP:GNG and you should be able to write a nice article if you limit the information to coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the Villiers Park Educational Trust subject. To get an idea of how to write about company in a Wikipedia article, look over some of the articles at Category:FA-Class company articles. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:56, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

RE Kevin Sharkey (artist) page[edit]

I have tried to add content to the Kevin Sharkey page but it keeps coming up that the references are wrong. I have placed the 'ref' sign at the beginning and end of each reference and also placed each reference at the bottom of the page under "references". I dont understand how it can be this difficult to add simple references to information. I now cant finish the page because of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

You need a </ref> tag at the end of the reference. Note the added slash. Also, you don't need to repeat the reference at the bottom. Put {{reflist}} under a References section header and the software will collect all the refs there automatically. Have you read Referencing for Beginners? Rojomoke (talk) 13:11, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks for improving wikipedia, 95 -- but just in case Rojomoke's answer was not perfectly clear, here is what you did:

<ref> </ref>
<ref> <ref>

And here is what you should have done, notice the missing slash at the end of the second line:

<ref> </ref>
<ref> </ref>

Basically, every HTML tag is going to be something like <tagname> stuff inside </tagname> ... and if you spell one of the names wrong, or forget any little bit of the punctuation, you end up with a confusing error. Sorry about that... it is not really wikipedia's fault, we just depend on the internet, and the internet depends on HTML, which in turn depends on SGML from back in the 1960s. Scary, right? But there are folks trying to improve this difficulty, with newer wiki-tools that make editing easier. Stay tuned! And thanks again for the help, with adding references. (talk) 18:04, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

picture removing[edit]

How can i remove an uploaded image from a referance page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahinavala (talkcontribs) 16:31, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Just remove the File link from the page. Is this about Interrupt vector table, where you added an image today? DES (talk) 16:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
You can either click on the Edit link at the top of the article and remove the [[File:...]] which you added, or if you go to your Contributions link, or the article's History page, you'll see your edit listed and you can click the "Undo" link. In each case, you ought to include an explanatory edit summary. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

error message when searching for "slow news day" in the Everything category of wikipedia's internal search engine[edit]

See subject. I get no specific error message, just big red letters:

"An error has occurred while searching: The search backend returned an error:"

No error message is printed, though. I tried re-arranging and searching for day news slow, same error message. Searching for day by itself, works fine. Can somebody reproduce? (talk) 17:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

p.s. And while I'm here, can somebody point me to the policy-shortcut that says, just because it got mentioned on the evening news once, does not therefore make it WP:N enough to be in wikipedia? Thanks

As to your PS: per WP:GNG notability requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. A mention in the evening news once is not "significant coverage" and therefore does not demonstrate notability. QED.--ukexpat (talk) 18:01, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
and WP:NOTNEWS and WP:UNDUE may also apply. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:06, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
the search worked for me. If you want the search try this link for appearances of the term in articles. [3]. "Go" will redirect you to The West Wing (season 5) ("Slow News Day" was the title of an episode of that TV show.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:10, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
This doesn't deal with the actual search issue, though. I tried searching for this term, and it returns an error (not "no results" but an error) for a search including any namespace outside of "(Article)" (even article talk returns an error). It doesn't seem to extend to the other queries I tried, but that's still odd. (And it almost makes me want to bring it up at WP:VPT.) - Purplewowies (talk) 18:32, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
The problem is "news" according to all my tests. Reported at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 119#Search failure on "news". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

John Morley[edit]

I have edited the page with new content regarding Morley and his Newcastle constituency, referencing my own doctorate research. However, unfamiliarity with the Wikipedia editing system has produced errors beyond my present competence to correct. These are:a) need for new para heading for the Newcastle material; b) reversion from bold to normal type in the edited passage; and the indicated reference error. The reference is simply to my own cited research.

please correct! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I have fixed the formatting and tagged the Moreley and Newcastle section as unsourced. Has your research been published in a reliable source? If not, then I am afraid that it is original research and not permitted on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a tertiary source that merely reports on what has already been covered in secondary sources.--ukexpat (talk) 20:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
That would be John Morley, 1st Viscount Morley of Blackburn, correct? DES (talk) 20:37, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
That was my assumption as it is the only article that the IP has edited recently.--ukexpat (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Special Graphics and Captions[edit]

When I go and edit something like a biography or an element, I see lots of code-like things. How do I learn how to do things like add a picture, or a caption? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadowlord2000 (talkcontribs) 20:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I suggest Wikipedia:Picture tutorial and Help:File page. DES (talk) 20:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
And for other sorts of "code-like things", see Help:Wiki markup, or walk yourself through Wikipedia:Tutorial. Deor (talk) 22:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
you can use your sandbox to practice in. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:07, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Why is Henry Heimlich entry locked for editing?[edit]

Why is the page on Dr. Henry J. Heimlich locked for editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melinda Zemper (talkcontribs) 22:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

It was "semi-protected" on 19 July 2012 by User:Courcelles with a given reason of "Persistent sock puppetry". It might well be time to remove this protection. However semi-protected means anyone can edit using a registered account, which is free and easy to set up. DES (talk) 22:23, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
oops, my error it was so protected that only "auto confirmed" users can edit, meaning that a user must have had an account for at least 4 days, and have made at least 10 edits. DES (talk) 22:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
To add this, here are some relevant links: WP:SOCK and Sockpuppet (Internet). Just in case Melinda Zemper doesn't know what sock puppetry is. Bobnorwal (talk) 02:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)