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October 31


ITN candidates for October 31

Hey, the blurb says it is a claim. If you want to include it, the wording has to be better. The item itself is ITN-worthy, still. --Tone 09:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
The article was somewhat misleading anyway. It suggested people didn't think human induced warming was occuring in Antartica. In fact even the reference used to support the claims said that there were existing theories indeed I'm pretty sure many climate scientists have expected it was or would occur for a long while, there was just insufficient data to be sure. It also suggested there was no data suggesting a change in temperature before this when the reference stated there was a rise but there was insufficient data and the conditions were too variable to link it to human activity. In other words, while the study appears to be significant, it's not in the way the article presented. I've tried to improve it. Nil Einne (talk) 15:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
There's a difference between people believing something happens/that there is evidence to prove it and actually having conclusive results from research. As all the sources say, there was no data from the Antarctic to prove anything. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 16:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
What's the new discovery? Everyone knows that global warming has human hand in it. I did not notice any new striking discovery by the research team. Did I miss anything? --GPPande talk! 18:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Up 'til now there hasn't been any conclusive proof, hence the huge amount of global warming denial. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 23:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd support this although as Tone has pointed out the wording of the blurb needs changing. It needs to convey accurately what the report is saying, that is they have evidence that climatic change in Antartica has been caused by human action, whilst at the same time being easily understandable. How about:
"A study by the Climatic Research Unit uncovers conclusive evidence that climate change in Antarctica, has in part been caused by human activity"
The 'has in part' bit can be removed although I think it is a necessary clause as these people are not saying that humans are solely responsible --Daviessimo (talk) 19:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I've posted a version of this. The important "new" thing, it should be pointed out, is direct evidence about Antarctica.--Pharos (talk) 22:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I've added some tags on Climatic Research Unit. If they are addressed, I have no further objections. --Tone 22:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Is there an article about the African trade bloc unification? SpencerT♦C 01:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
This one would be nice. Can't find the article though. Maybe we should wait for the block to be officially formed, this now was just an agreement. --Tone 10:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

October 30


ITN candidates for October 30

  • The article 2008 Assam bombings is quite ready. Can some admin quickly post it? The news is in highlight on all TV channels. --GPPande talk! 11:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
This has been added. –Howard the Duck 15:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Whilst I support this particular occurence I think a new consensus may have to be drawn on the whole India terrorism issue given that these events are becoming so frequent. We've had almost 10 since July, which is starting to draw India on a parallel with Afghanistan and Iraq (where only the most severe attacks get on ITN). Maybe something along the lines of a minimum death toll could be used. --Daviessimo (talk) 18:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
But, we do post every incident with such high death tool (also in Afghanistan and Iraq). We should not make India an exception. What could be used as the criteria, is a political significance. Hard to say, really. --Tone 18:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Indeed terrorism in India is at it's peak - never has India seen such horrible mindless terror since independence. Even during the peak of militancy in Punjab and Kashmir not as many innocents were killed. Multiple factors are causing all this - failure of RAW to foil terror attacks, absolutely failed laws to punish militants, worst Home minister India has seen till now and many new terror groups mushrooming across the nation. BTW, this particular attack was the worst attack till now in Assam and entire North east India till date. So I do believe that this news qualify for ITN. There are still a few bombings like 2008 Agartala bombings and Malegaon bombings which did not pass the test and so did not featured in ITN. So you can be rest assured that only significant events reach the main page and not all. --GPPande talk! 19:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I also want to note that Bangalore bombings (2 deaths) was included with a much larger associated item, otherwise, notability would have been much lower. As for a minimum death line, these attacks are unlike anything I've seen in India before, and maybe, instead of having a minimum death rate, we should have articles on the Afghanistan and Iraq ones too. SpencerT♦C 19:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
you cant compare india to afghanistan/iraq. there are wars going on in those countries. if a bomb were to explode in a country that is supposed to be peaceful then it should be posted. having a death count limit is saying 5-6 lives are simply not important enough for wikipedia. to me its really bad way of limiting indian news.209.82.15.17 (talk) 20:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
60 deaths is a lot, even for Iraq/Afghanistan standards. –Howard the Duck 06:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Daviessimo, should I laugh at your suggestion or actually take it seriously? You are comparing India to Iraq and Afghanistan? Are you out of your mind? Well, apologies for my strong reaction but that really pissed me off. I'm assuming you were joking. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 22:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Do we have anything about student protests in Italy? May be relevant. --Tone 18:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

October 29


ITN candidates for October 29

Viswanathan Anand 08 14 2005.jpg
Looks good. And we seem to have run down on Indian in the news items.--Peter cohen (talk) 20:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The updated section in the article could use some copy-editing and another ref. SpencerT♦C 21:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Posted. Thank goodness we badly needed an item with a free image. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I have added the match score + ref now. That should make it elaborate. --GPPande talk! 11:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Sterling Airways
How significant is it? The Lehman Brothers case was big, is this significant for Danish economy? (by the way, the article contains an unneeded block of text in Danish) --Tone 12:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Many many low cost airlines across the globe have merged or filed bankruptcy recently due to global economic crisis - including recent mergers for much bigger airlines like Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines which seem to have almost double fleet size as compared to Sterling. I think this is not significant. Also, article is too small and just 1 line update. --GPPande talk! 19:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose bad pun. This isn't the New York Post. What's next, "Shipping company sinks under weight of debts"? "Bad investments cause software firm to crash"? Also, is this really that big of a company? Random89 19:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, thousands of stranded passengers might not agree... but I'd agree, though, that the article is barely ready for ITN. --Hapsala (talk) 23:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
If that stub is expanded it could go on... any voices of protest? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 06:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Included due to expansion and the nearly doubling of fatalities. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 07:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I fixed this one up and included it. Man, there's a lot of depressing stuff in the news... Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 14:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The wording on Portal:Current events ("Suicide bombers attack targets in Hargeisa, the capital of the self-proclaimed republic of Somaliland, and Bosaso, a city in the autonomous state of Puntland") does a better job of setting the context. Could we recast this as "Coordinated suicide bombings kill 56 in Hargeisa, capital of the self-proclaimed republic of Somaliland, and Bosaso, in the autonomous Somalian state of Puntland"? Or is that too verbose? Aille (talk) 18:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
One of the four major North American championships. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 02:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Support (despite my regional reservations.) :-) Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I posted a variation of the above. --Bongwarrior (talk) 02:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

October 28


ITN candidates for October 28

  • Also, we have runoff results for the Maldivian presidential election, 2008. If we're willing to wait until tomorrow night (I have to go now, and I have work tomorrow), but if someone would like to write something up and I'll help expand it tomorrow, that'll be good. Also, if someone could add it to Portal:Current events: Here's the link. SpencerT♦C 01:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

October 27


ITN candidates for October 27

The "political patriarch" descriptor is from the Associated Press article ([1]). Apparently this guy is as dominant in Alaska politics as Fidel Castro is in Cuba. He's also one of the top Republicans in the US Senate. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Not quite notable, based on the charges, and there's also no real international-interest. SpencerT♦C 00:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
He's not been convicted of murder, but the conviction will destroy his political career. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a potential candidate, potentially, if someone helps work on the article. 2008 University of Arkansas shootings if anyone wants to work on it; I have to get to class. 13:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose -- The fact that a double murder happens on a college campus doesn't make it internationally newsworthy. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with Mwalcoff. This isn't really notable as school shootings go. SpencerT♦C 00:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
This strikes me as the more interesting candidate.--Peter cohen (talk) 17:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Is this news of international importance? --GPPande talk! 17:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Not really. In addition, the article needs more refs. SpencerT♦C 00:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Indeed even the key claim (smallest city with metro) is not supported by any refs in the article from what I can tell Nil Einne (talk) 15:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone? I'm guessing this will get shot down due to national unimportance (though I think it is important that the world's most powerful country's first black presidential hopeful is targeted for killing). Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 00:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Not to be pessimistic, but he wasn't killed, so it isn't worth including. SpencerT♦C 00:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
True. Meh, I'll drop that then. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 00:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Mind you, I don't think he had to be killed for it to matter. Although this received a lot of international attention, it was ultimately two nutcases who had little hope of succeeding (which was why I believe the NYT buried the story). There are far too many of those for this to be noteworthy. If there had been a far reaching conspiracy involving top snipers and secret service agents for example, things may be different Nil Einne (talk) 15:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
These two? Probably the most important item we have right now. I'm just not sure how to form that into an item. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 01:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
2008 Nord-Kivu war, if anyone wants to help. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 05:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Looks good. The date in the box should be corrected though, 2004-present goes for the whole conflict, not for the battle. --Tone 07:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

October 26


ITN candidates for October 26

  • Israeli item maybe? The focus article is titled Next election, what seems a bit funny, though. --Tone 19:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on this for inclusion in the main page. It'll be up at 2008 Israeli early elections; I'm about 3/4 done. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 22:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
K, this will be included. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 22:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Image suggestion. I say we go with this pic of Livni (cropped to the head), it's a newer blurb than the storm.
Tzipi Livni - WEF Annual Meeting Davos 2008.jpg

Random89 00:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Weak Support There aren't many deaths, but in the case of need for a timer-enforced update, this is a good candidate. SpencerT♦C 00:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Did a source rehaul and such; I'll include it.Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 22:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
It appears to have been slightly reworded from the original proposal. One might say the word "reportedly" should be before the claim of dead civilians. I don't know how the Syrian state news agency is viewed as a source by Wikipedia. Danthemankhan 23:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

October 25


ITN candidates for October 25

There isn't much update in the article...Besides, the line has been operating since 1995. I don't know. --Tone 16:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2008 Yemen floods is a possible candidate but it is just a stub so far. If anyone could expand it... --Tone 16:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Expanded and included... hopefully that's ok. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 22:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Looks good now. SpencerT♦C 00:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

October 24


ITN candidates for October 24

Is there an article for the Djibouti-Eritrea border dispute? SpencerT♦C 02:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

2008 Djiboutian–Eritrean border conflict.--chaser - t 03:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
There is no significant update to the article regarding recent events. --Tone 12:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

October 23


ITN candidates for October 23

The is my opinion, but I'm not sure the prize is notable like the Man Booker or the nobels. Also, the article about the person doesn't have a large enough update. SpencerT♦C 19:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I support this nom. It's an important news story with bearing on China's Western relations. I also believe the Sakharov Prize to be quite important, even in the context of the other prizes mentioned by Spencer. __meco (talk) 11:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
What do you mean by "substantially"? Admiral Norton (talk) 20:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Most of the news I have read about the event are significantly longer than the present article. More can be written about government response and mention some recent events (Hodak case...). Maybe somewords on Pukanić, though there already is an article. Support from my side otherwise. --Tone 20:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Comment is the title really the most suitable? Wasn't an assasination? --Tone 20:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd support this. With Croatia a candidate for E.U. entry this could be quite a significant event especially if the rest of Europe decides that there is still too much organised crime in the country for it to join. Also the article looks decent now. As for the title the sources I've seen suggested the bomb was placed under Pukanic's car and as such this has to be seen as an assasination --Daviessimo (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Not that Zagreb is even a moderately dangerous city for an average citizen or tourist (there is very little crime aside from these events, violent deaths stem almost absolutely from car accidents), but as you said, this bears much international importance. Admiral Norton (talk) 21:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but there were other casualties. Also, it was taken very seriously by the police (believe me, I spent an hour in a major traffic jam not three hours ago). Admiral Norton (talk) 20:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I did some more work on the article, I hope it's fine now. Admiral Norton (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Posting. Still, think about a possible alternative title. --Tone 22:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
You need to remove the word "a." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

October 22


ITN candidates for October 22

Support--Cdogsimmons (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Posted. --Tone 06:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

October 21


ITN candidates for October 21

Even though I am all for cricket news to come up on ITN - I think we should wait for the series' end result and post it to ITN rather than individual matches. What do you say buddy? --GPPande talk! 07:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
But I consider this to be a historic win. I think it is India's biggest victory against Australia in terms of runs. Well, well, and such a big win surely needs to be recorded.-RavichandarMy coffee shop 08:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
If your arguing the result was historically significant so we should have it, then that should be conveyed by the proposed headline AND supported by the article. As it stands, the article isn't ITN standard whatever the case Nil Einne (talk) 09:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Are we sure it is India's biggest victory against Australia in terms of runs? Any ref? --GPPande talk! 09:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I got it here it states explicitly - This was India's biggest win against the Aussies, eclipsing the 222-run victory that came in Melbourne in 1977.. My Strong Support for this good nomination from Ravi. --GPPande talk! 09:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sceptic here. Would we put the biggest win in football between England, Germany, France, Italy (choose the match) or something like this? I don't think so. --Tone 10:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's not enough prose describing the second test match, and the only prose is in the intro. If it is India's biggest victory, then the article should say that, and with a ref. SpencerT♦C 11:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I think you're right here, Tone. If it were the record defeat for any major test country, it would become interesting.--Peter cohen (talk) 12:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose Whilst the victory may be a record for India, it is not a record in the sport as a whole. If this goes up, a precedent is set for all manner of country based records to go up. Would San Marino winning a game of football go up? Or what about if Tahiti qualified for the rugby world cup for the first time in history? --Daviessimo (talk) 18:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Support if this is the biggest margin of victory in all of cricket, oppose if it is not. –Howard the Duck 04:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Well if we use the logic above I oppose. According to List of Test cricket records it's not even close. The record victory is by an inning and 579 runs. This one is only 320 run margin. --138.253.237.38 (talk) 12:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't go as far as all cricket, I think if the Test record was broken it would go up, but as others have pointed out this is nowhere near. 92.11.13.142 (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Note: I think this maybe remarkable. The equivalent of this in football is when Germany trashes England 10-0, or if the USA blows out one of the Yugoslavian teams 200-75 in basketball. However, with the way cricket tournaments are staged, it seems that the different teams tour each other and they only seldom get together for one big tournament, considering test cricket takes like days to finish, and teams of the same level meet each other constantly (hence no England-San Marino in football comparison, and almost all multi-team cricket tourneys are ODIs.) So I now say dunno on this one. –Howard the Duck 18:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Support. The article is in a good shape. --Tone 11:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

October 20


ITN candidates for October 20

Definitely the Mo Ibrahim prize story. AndrewRT(Talk) 22:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. Not that I'm the be all and end all, but if this was like the Nobel or the Booker prize I think I would have heard of it. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Beginning of the trial of the clandestine Ergenekon network in Turkey, marking a historic chapter. Surely merits a mention. --Adoniscik(t, c) 18:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

October 19


ITN candidates for October 19

  • Do we have anything on the Taliban item? --Tone 16:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

October 18


ITN candidates for October 18

In the article, Miller-Urey#Recent_related_studies needs ~3 more sentences in the second paragraph. Can I also have a wording suggestion? Thanks, SpencerT♦C 20:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea what the significance of this news item is. Shouldn't that be indicated? __meco (talk) 07:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I've expanded a bit. It's mostly an interesting insight on the history of science, although it does say a little new about the origin of life, giving some weight to a role of vulcanoes. Narayanese (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't see what's wrong with the wording that is already there, but an alternative is "Scientists analyse vials from the 1953 Miller-Urey experiment on the origin of life, and find many amino acids in Miller's volcano-like setup" (I'm sure there's a grammar mistake somewhere) Narayanese (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't really like this formulation... it should somehow mention that the classic experiment produced amino acids as well. --Tone 16:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, true. What about "Several additional amino acids are found in vials from the 1953 Miller-Urey experiment that probed the origin of life"? Narayanese (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Posting. We need something, and this is the best item here. The article is good. SpencerT♦C 19:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
The wording is better now. It could be probably even better but I suppose one would need more than one sentence to explain it fully. For tomorrow, we have LHC opening as the new big science story. --Tone 19:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

October 17


ITN candidates for October 17

Sachin Tendulkar becomes record aggregate scorer in test match cricket.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:37, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

If there is a suitably updated article to link to it should go up (IMO), but I can't seem to find one. There is only a short edit to Sachin Tendulkar so far. ReadingOldBoy (talk) 16:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually reading more carefully there are a couple of paragraphs on it. I'd suggest posting with the headline: Sachin Tendulkar becomes the leading scorer in Test Cricket and the first man to pass 12,000 Test runs. Sorry, forgot to sign ReadingOldBoy (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I like your suggested wording. The lede of the Tendulkar article was somewhat garbled and repetitive in the rush to update i. I think I have sorted it now.--Peter cohen (talk) 17:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree, the suggested wording is exellent Cokehabit (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
For context, this record is considered the highest accolade for batsmen in cricket; there is no greater feat. Tendulkar's dual record of most ODI runs (16000+) and most Test runs (12000+) will likely never be overtaken. 124.180.122.224 (talk) 04:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Adding to this point, when the equivalent bowling feat was achieved last year by Muralitharan it was added to ITN [2]. The two are on a par as the peak cumulative career statistics that can be definitively broken by a cricketer who remains active. (Career averages are also important but only known for sure once cricketer retires.) Neither record is expected to be broken again in the next year or two, if at all. --Peter cohen (talk) 07:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
This news is much more important than the Security Council headline discussed below. Let's post this one. 18.96.7.148 (talk) 07:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Support: This a major record in cricket and first cricketer to reach 12,000 runs mark. Should be posted. Plus, the red banner looks ugly. Some admin please post. --GPPande talk! 11:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Why is this not being put despite similar news having gone up on ITN in past and also no opposition to it this time. --GPPande talk! 13:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I just saw this. Can someone link to me the exact section in the article where it has the test run, because all I see in the article is 3 sentences mentioning the event in question with 1 ref, in the intro. If that's all there is, can you make a one-sentence summary in the intro, and add a section in the article mentioning this? And also, can someone give me clear-cut wording as well? Thanks, SpencerT♦C 13:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
In lead other editors have mentioned one line summary On 17 October 2008, when he surpassed Brian Lara's record for the most runs scored in Test Cricket, he also became the first batsman to score 12,000 runs in that form of the game. with ref provided. It is also mentioned that he is the highest scorer in both forms of cricket and most centuries in them. In section Sachin_Tendulkar#Career_achievements there is With a current aggregate of 12,027 Test runs, he surpassed Brian Lara's previous record tally of 11,953 runs as the highest run scorer in test matches in the second Test of Australia's 2008 tour of India in Mohali. with ref. I just now added the next sentence there with ref. --GPPande talk! 14:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
The blurb can simple one - India's Sachin Tendulkar becomes highest scorer in test cricket crossing 12,000 runs. --GPPande talk! 14:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
What about this? --

Sachin Tendulkar.jpg India's Sachin Tendulkar becomes highest scorer in test cricket surpassing Brian Lara's previous world record of 11,953 runs. --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 15:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Or even returning (almost) to User:ReadingOldBoy's wording praised above

Sachin Tendulkar.jpg India's Sachin Tendulkar becomes the leading scorer in test cricket and the first to pass 12,000 Test runs. --Peter cohen (talk) 18:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Posted. I prefer the version without too many links. --Tone 18:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Endorse - some monkey photography on the main page! YellowMonkey (click here to chose Australia's next top model!) 02:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
The news seems noteworthy, but the article looks rather sparse. I'll take a look and see what I can do. Random89 19:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I have updated the article, looks good to go. Random89 19:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I think it is important to include mention of the two countries that lost their bids, Iceland and Iran. __meco (talk) 20:41, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Can I request a little more prose? The article still seems a tad sparse. SpencerT♦C 23:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
In the annual rotation of five of the 10 non-permanent members of the UN Security Council, Turkey, Austria, Japan, Uganda, and Mexico are selected. The candidates that lost their bids were Iceland and Iran, notably Iran lost by 158 against 32 votes to Japan. __meco (talk) 08:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Ah, you meant prose for the article.. I can't help you there (or, I won't, rather), but I still think it is important that the names of the losing canidates be mentioned. __meco (talk) 08:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Posted. ffm 12:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Now somebody pruned the text. It was too long, but the names of the two countries that missed out in their bids should be included. __meco (talk) 13:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason you think that Iceland and Iran should be mentioned? I think the winners are good enough. SpencerT♦C 14:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Both of these countries are highly in focus in the news media and it would be appropriate for readers to be able to connect the stories so as to ascertain how one influenced the other. __meco (talk) 23:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
That sounds like POV pushing to me... We have no way of knowing why Iran or Iceland didn't make it to the security council. And besides that, the candidates who didn't make it any election are rarely of great interest Nil Einne (talk) 08:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

October 16


ITN candidates for October 16

  • Canadian terrorism is rare enough to warrant a headline. __meco (talk) 08:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure. There weren't any deaths, and damage to the pipeline itself was very minimal. SpencerT♦C 20:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
That's true, of course. __meco (talk) 07:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

October 15


ITN candidates for October 15

Article is now updated. Wording: Ilham Aliyev is re-elected president of Azerbaijan. Posting. SpencerT♦C 01:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

October 14


ITN candidates for October 14

Nom: Canadian general election, involves the election of a head of state. Natural RX 02:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Isn't Canada's head of state Queen Elizabeth??? –Howard the Duck 03:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
We can put this on when the results are known. --Tone 07:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes she is Nil Einne (talk) 09:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Random89 15:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Stephen Harper is re-elected as Prime Minister of Canada, as his Conservative Party wins a minority/majority in the 2008 Canadian Elections. (CBC News) --Natural RX 02:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Definitely a minority now, every major news organization has called it as such. I'd say it's ready to post. Radagast (talk) 03:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Article has been updated to reflect the news blurb. Main-page ready. Random89 04:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Suggest this pic of Harper, as that is currently the top item. Random89 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
An image of his has been posted, albeit a different one, which looks better at 100x100px. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
'Minority' was changed to 'plurality'; while also technically correct, it's not really the right term for the context (all such results in parliamentary systems are generally called minorities). I'd suggest changing it back. Radagast (talk) 16:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I think you're mistaken. Stephen Harper's party won a minority of seats, but so did every single other party in this election who won seats. So the fact that Stephen Harper won a minority of seats is of no great interest to anyone (well other then it signifies they didn't win a majority). They did however win a plurality of seats and will almost definitely (but not definitely) lead the next government, as a minority government. The current headline which says they won a plurality (i.e. the most seats) is therefore the best headline. I see you're Canadian, so perhaps there is something unique about the Canadian system that I'm not aware of but definitely for Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand and the UK I can say this would be the case, even if Malaysia has never even come close to a minority government, nor I believe Australia and they are rather rare in the UK. Nil Einne (talk) 08:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Posted. I'll note that the Booker Prize is on the list at Wikipedia:Recurring items on ITN. Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 10:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
The update is 3 sentences with no refs in the update, only on in the intro. SpencerT♦C 11:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I have expanded the section a little more and added few more refs. --GPPande talk! 11:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Much better now, thanks. SpencerT♦C 20:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

October 13


ITN candidates for October 13

Nom: U.S. Economist Paul Krugman wins the 2008 Nobel Prize in Economics. --Hapsala (talk) 11:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Posting. The article could have some more on the prize but I suppose it will be expanded soon. --Tone 11:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Nom: Massive demonstrations against recognition of Kosovo independence in Montenegro. 10,000 people gather in front of the parliament and read the 3-day ultimatum to the government. At the end civil disorder, 34 people injured.

Do we have an article update on this one? --Tone 07:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Can't find anything... SpencerT♦C 11:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

October 12


ITN candidates for October 12

We don't have an article regarding the other three saints, do we? Otherwise, I think this is a good candidate for ITN. --Tone 19:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
The article could use some updates, though. SpencerT♦C 20:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Pls post headline and external newslinks at Portal:Current events. --PFHLai (talk) 00:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC) Just took care of this requirement. --PFHLai (talk) 00:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Posting. An update was needed and this article is now updated enough. --Tone 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

October 11


ITN candidates for October 11

Jörg Haider
Posted Thue | talk 08:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Removing. Posting deaths of people should have a consensus first. See WP:LILP.--Tone 08:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
The whole ITN death debate was only for "expected" deaths of people. This is an unexpected death of a very notable person who has just been reelected, so I don't see how posting it can be controversial. His unexpected death will have real consequences which would not otherwise have occured, and is therefore undeniably news. Thue | talk 09:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I highly object this nomination, and the matter it was reposted. I fail to see how this item merits mentioning when this has been discussed at WP:LILP and in this page when various other deaths were nominated.
All the other people who have been discussed have been old irrelevant people dying, with no real effect on current events. This was a infamous party leader dying while he was relevant for the current government formation in Austra. Don't you see the difference? I also stand by my reposting - no specific arguments against its posting had been made, and I did not believe that Tone's removal was fully though through - it was formulated like a form letter with no specific object to Haiders importance or the consequences of his death. A final point: consider another event (not a death), with similar consequences for the Austrian right wing; that would probably be notable; as far as I can tell it is only because this happens to be a death and there have been some doubtful deaths on ITN in the past that people object here.
In the past the rule for deaths on ITN was "no deaths - except for unexpected deaths of people office or where the death had significant consequences for current events" - has that been revoked? Thue | talk 13:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I must also point out that you shouldn't have reverted the edit you previously posted without seeking proper consensus. Waiting for 1 hour here is insufficient in my opinion given the normal traffic in this page. - Mtmelendez (Talk) 12:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I have removed it, as it seems to be controversial, and now disputed. I encourage further discussion as to whether it should be included in the news. Cenarium Talk 13:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Let's move on from the procedural questions. He's not on WP:LILP, a page I've only just seen, which IMO is a risible attempt to implement a hopeless idea. Austria is negotiating to form a new government and the leader of the fourth-largest party has just died; I think that's enough extra beyond just a death. How much context should be provided in the ITN hook is another matter. jnestorius(talk) 13:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose, as of now. Jörg Haider#Death is too short right now. That section needs expansion. Sufficient expansion. SpencerT♦C 14:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Posted again, by User:Delirium. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose, why is this posted without consensus? 18.96.7.148 (talk) 04:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Delirium's edit summary included WP:UCS ([4]), although I am not sure what he is trying to say by including this link. "Use common sense" does not mean "ignore consensus", does it? The page specifically states that "you will need to persuade the rest of the community that your actions improved the encyclopedia". --BorgQueen (talk) 04:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Removed again, one has to seek consensus to post an item to ITN, not to remove it. --Tone 08:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Here's my 2 cents. I agree that anyone who brings up Pavarotti, Hillary and whoever else is missing the point. Also LILP doesn't really apply since the idea was those people warrant inclusion even if they die in their old age when everyone was expecting it (although I'd personally dispute some of the names on the list, e.g. Gordon Brown, Lee Myung-bak; they may be significant now, they have not yet demonstrated lasting significance though IMHO). It's missing a lot of current world leaders for example and most of these should go up if they die tomorrow. So anyway, under the old death criterion (which as far as I'm concerned is still valid), unexpected deaths of world leaders and other people of great current significance should go up. Haider IMHO clearly doesn't fit into this category. However if it's true that his death could have a great effect on the formation of the new Austrian government then this may be enough. But the article definitely needs to establish his death is going to have a significant effect and we do need consensus here Nil Einne (talk) 08:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
(unindent) I am in favour of the inclusion of this article. He was a politician in office and very much in the spotlight when he died. The update to the article in question (2 short paragraphs on his death, not to mention general expansion the publicity has drawn) is in line for the normal inclusion of a news event. Important people such as the president of Austria have specifically addressed the news. While this should have gained consensus before being posted, it is a worthy candidate. :Random89 16:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
ALSO: It's about time we added a new item and this seems to be the best candidate. Random89 16:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Just a comment: WP:LILP applies to those that didn't have unexpected deaths, such as someone like Edmund Hillary. SpencerT♦C 17:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I was going to ask Why are people arguing against the inclusion of this unexpected death of a prominent politician whose death could have significant political effects, I can see it's arguably borderline. Between "if it's true that his death could have a great effect on the formation of the new Austrian government [...] the article definitely needs to establish his death is going to have a significant effect" and "The update to the article in question (2 short paragraphs on his death, not to mention general expansion the publicity has drawn) is in line for the normal inclusion of a news event." I'm leaning towards inclusion also. TransUtopian (talk) 17:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)



Needs more refs and a longer update. SpencerT♦C 13:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
This hasn't been in the news enough to begin with.--chaser - t 15:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Too short. I'll try to expand this. SpencerT♦C 17:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Meets minimum expansion requirements. Could use some section headers, but I'm posting. SpencerT♦C 18:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Not a candidate for inclusion... I'm requesting the 2008 Chechnya earthquake be removed from ITN. Its notability, with a magnitude less than 6 in an area where earthquakes are not exactly unusual, is questionable. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 01:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Note that the item isn't focusing on the magnitude, but on the number of deaths. SpencerT♦C 10:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

October 10


ITN candidates for October 10

Procedural note: Martti Ahtisaari item was posted. SpencerT♦C 02:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

October 9


ITN candidates for October 9

Nobel Prize medal

Nom: French writer Jean-Marie Gustave Le Clézio is announced the winner of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Literature (medal pictured). --Hapsala (talk) 11:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Posted, without medal (if you find a photo of author, it would be great). --Tone 11:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Nom: Emma Watson is coming to the United States.

Um...good for her? -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 18:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Suggestion made by anon [5] for those wondering. Nil Einne (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment - General Motors lost a third of its value today, and S&P is expected to cut its bond rating even further, which will seriously jeopardize its ability to remain liquid. It may also create additional turmoil in United States financial markets, up to and including the collapse of the company. The article should be updated accordingly as this item might end up in the news sooner rather than later. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Er this isn't really the place to suggest people update an article. And items only end up on ITN when their articles have been updated, not before Nil Einne (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Nom: The 2008–2012 Icelandic financial crisis. Several major banks have gone under and the country is on the verge of unprecedented financial collapse, if its not there already. Scanlan (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any wording suggestions? SpencerT♦C 23:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Since I have been trying to have an item on this added for the last two days, I definitely support this nom. Look to Oct 7 noms for possible ideas to rewording. __meco (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Should update to have something like Global financial crisis deepens as markets around the world drop 7-8%
Strong Support - This really should have been on a couple of days ago because a country on the verge of bankruptcy trumps any bank collapse or bailout package. A slightly modified version of User meco's suggested headline should be good:
Iceland's Prime Minister Geir Haarde warns Icelanders the nation may go bankrupt as the country's banking industry starts to collapse under the weight of the global financial crisis --Daviessimo (talk) 18:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Er while we definitely need a story on this and we now have a decent article (even if perhaps a bit too focused on the UK) our article doesn't say anything about him warning Icelanders the nation may go bankrupt. Instead it says he stated "that the actions taken by the government have ensured that the Icelandic state will not go bankrupt". As with all things on the main page, we defer to the article for ITN headlines. Nil Einne (talk) 21:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Posted. You are welcome to rephrase as you see fit. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the initial wording of the blurb is inadequate. Haarde's warning that the country may go bankrupt is well documented in Financial crisis of 2007-2008#Week of October 5, 2008 (and the Iceland article even) and should be copied over to the 2008–2012 Icelandic financial crisis article. My PC mouse isn't working currently, so I won't do it, but others should and the ITN blurb should be updated subsequently. __meco (talk) 09:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

October 8


ITN candidates for October 8

Viktor Yushchenko
Article needs updates, and also Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2008 could use expansion. SpencerT♦C 22:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Some more updates and this can go on. --Tone 11:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Article needs updates, I'll see if I can help here. SpencerT♦C 22:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Updating done. Do we want to wait for results or focus that these are the Maldives' first democratic elections and post now? SpencerT♦C 01:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe we could already include who will go in the run-off since this will be known soon? Support inclusion. --Tone 11:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Official announcement at 1830 UTC...in about 5 hrs. Can we wait? SpencerT♦C 13:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure, post it then. And if you have noticed, we have the picture issue again in the template, the image refers to the last item. --Tone 13:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
We can use a picture of Gayoom...there's one on commons. I'll upload it here. SpencerT♦C 13:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Image is at Image:Maumoon Gayoom.jpg. SpencerT♦C 14:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to put this up now, because I want to put up the Iceland item, and we need an image. Posting... SpencerT♦C 16:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Image was a copyvio, so we still need another... SpencerT♦C 18:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) We have Image:Gayoom1.jpg now, but its tiny and turned to the side. SpencerT♦C 20:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Posting this update. SpencerT♦C 23:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Nobel Prize medal
Posted. Note the change of the wording, noone is awarded the prize until December. --Tone 10:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place, but I think having three of the four ITN entries as Nobel prizes is not very balanced. Could they not be merged into one entry? SteveRwanda (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I second that. __meco (talk) 12:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd prefer more various items as well, there are many things going on. At pace one Nobel per day and one other event per day we can keep the balance. --Tone 13:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, all Nobel Prize announcements have been featured on ITN since the birth of Wikipedia. --Hapsala (talk) 21:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominate British banking rescue package. The actual value of the deal is £500bn (approx $800-900bn), which is larger than the US deal. Also by making a £50bn investment and not just loaning the money the British Government are in effect partly nationalising the whole banking sector --Daviessimo (talk) 12:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I support this. Stands out as the biggest event of the day so far with respect to the finances crisis. __meco (talk) 12:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to have a little more content in the article but otherwise I support it. What would the blurb be? --Tone 13:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
When I get home in a couple of hours i'll expand it (unless someone gets there first). The blurb should be something Like: The Bank Of England announces details of a financial rescue package aimed at restoring confindence in the Banking sector. Depending on the size issue the clarifying sentence As part of the deal the British Government will provide £50bn of investment, provides a further £200bn in short term loans and guarentees upto £250bn of intra-bank loans could be added although its not neccesary. --Daviessimo (talk) 14:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I've had a go at adding new information to the article so its a bit more expansive now. As for the blurb having read other sources I think it should be:
'The British Government announces details of a financial rescue package aimed at restoring confindence and creating stability in the banking sector' --Daviessimo (talk) 17:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Great, adding. --Tone 19:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

October 7


ITN candidates for October 7

Nobel Prize medal

Nom: The 2008 Nobel Prize in Physics (medal pictured) is awarded Yoichiro Nambu for the discovery of the mechanism of spontaneous broken symmetry in subatomic physics, and Makoto Kobayashi and Toshihide Maskawa for the discovery of the origin of the broken symmetry which predicts the existence of at least three families of quarks in nature. --Hapsala (talk) 10:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Wow, a long one! Could not be shortened, like Nambu, Maskawa and Kobayashi are awarded the Nobel Prize for their discoveries in particle physics. No need to go into such details on ITN, I suppose less people know what broken symmetry is that some specific sport championship. I support the inclusion by all means, otherwise. --Tone 13:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, if they don't understand, they should click on the link and learn something new... ;) --Hapsala (talk) 14:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominate TC3 meteor impact. Very encyclopaedic news item and something a little less doom and gloom --Daviessimo (talk) 20:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support this nom for the good reason given by nominator. __meco (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Posted. Nice item. I wanted to link to Impact event but didn't since this was just a bigger rock and we don't want to cause panick. The blurb could be improved, though. --Tone 21:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Nominate Iceland's Prime Minister Geir Haarde warns Icelanders the nation may go bankrupt as the country's banking industry starts to collapse under the weight of the global financial crisis. The króna drops 30% in one day. __meco (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Is there a boldened article you had in mind? SpencerT♦C 03:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Iceland should be boldened. The article currently has a short section on the crisis. __meco (talk) 07:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I think this is very important and if the article can be updated if should definately go up. I read today that the country is in debt to the tune of 4 times the value of all the national assets. --Daviessimo (talk) 18:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
The article Economy of Iceland is the one that seems to have the most comprehensive update on the situation. Now that the UK's Gordon Brown has threatened to sure Iceland over the conduct of the Icelandic banks' UK branches, Iceland only gets more important as far as ITN is concerned. I have an updated suggestion for a blurb:
Iceland's Prime Minister Geir Haarde warns Icelanders the nation may go bankrupt as the country's banking industry starts to collapse under the weight of the global financial crisis. The króna drops 30% in one day and British PM Gordon Brown threatens to sue Iceland over defaulting Icelandic bank branches in the United Kingdom.
__meco (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

October 6


ITN candidates for October 6

Nobel Prize medal
Oppose: As you said, nothing new is enough to justify vote. Instead earthquakes might be taken up to bring back balance. --gppande «talk» 19:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Well for both the FTSE100 and CAC40 to have record one day falls is pretty big. In the case of the FTSE it was larger than during the 87 collapse and Sept11th. In France almost 1/10th of the value of the top companies was wiped out. Anyway there is no reason why both cannot go up. --Daviessimo (talk) 21:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Support These drops are record breaking. The Norwegian OBX Index dropped 9.71%, its third biggest fall ever. __meco (talk) 22:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Er I think were getting ahead of ourselves here. Where's the updated article/s? What's the proposed wording? N.B. At the current time Subprime mortgage crisis doesn't mention any drop after 6th October Nil Einne (talk) 10:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Support - --gppande «talk» 06:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
This is big. Could someone please expand the articles so we can put them up? --Tone 21:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I just expanded the Nura earthquake one, but is it too late to go up? SpencerT♦C 22:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support. This is very important, but the blurb could be a bit better, and the Kyrgyzstan quake is now responsible for 75 deaths. There's still time, I added an image, but please hurry because I am still upset that we missed the 2008 Panzhihua earthquake a while back. ~AH1(TCU) 20:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

October 5


ITN candidates for October 5

I'm on the fence for this one. It's not on WP:ITNSPORTS, but most of all 2008_NRL_Grand_Final#Match_Summary needs to be filled in if this should have any chance of going up. We may need an update, as we're behind by 47 hours. SpencerT♦C 16:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I have updated some of the match summary and added some pictures too. - c4v3m4n 17:04 October 5, 2008 (UTC)
However, the article only has one ref now. Can you add some more? SpencerT♦C 20:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
More references have been added, I think its ready for the Main Page - c4v3m4n (talk · contribs) 22:35 October 5, 2008 (UTC)
I added still some more, and it could still use some more. But it is suitable to go up now. SpencerT♦C 01:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Posted. fish&karate 14:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
WTF is all I can say after I saw this put up. –Howard the Duck 17:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
The summary should mention that this is Rugby that is being talked aboutKilrogg (talk) 18:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Really? I know we were starved for updates, but I take a break from ITN and come back to see this on the mainpage? I can't really complain because I didn't suggest anything better, but I don't think the is mainpage-worthy. Random89 23:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I was planning to object when I first saw the proposal but decided not to bother since I often seem to be in a minority of one when it comes to these sort of things. Also I thought since AFL is on the list and we're still discussing sticking the elections, why not? (Although from [6] it does appear there is merit to have the AFL and not the NRL). Perhaps I should have voiced my opinion since for once it appears I'm not alone. Nil Einne (talk) 09:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually it's rugby league not rugby. Note that while Rugby Union is often called rugby it's rare that rugby league is called rugby (instead football or league usually). Anyway be that as it may, I agree with the general point that it should mention what sport if refers to. Nil Einne (talk) 09:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't do ITN very much, but it was worryingly slow at the time of posting, this was the only outstanding suggestions, and it seemed okay to me (we have plenty of other sports finals of limited regional interest only); if there were more good suggestions, this sort of thing probably wouldn't have gotten posted. fish&karate 13:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Just so it's based on the U.S. it means it's not followed elsewhere. Baseball's big in Taiwan (ROC) and Japan, and hockey's big in the Baltics. Can't say the same for the Super Bowl, but I heard it's big in Mexico... –Howard the Duck 13:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm still working on the article, but should be done soon enough. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Generally, local elections aren't put on ITN, even for capital cities (i.e., I don't think London went up). Is there something different about this election, besides being in Bangkok? SpencerT♦C 20:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Not really, apart from the fact that PAD leader Chamlong Srimuang was arrested as he went to cast his vote (already in the current events portal), a fact which should more properly be discussed in 2008 Thai political crisis, but isn't very significant all the same. That article also needs a lot of updating. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to have to oppose this because of notability issues, and the article could also use inline citations. SpencerT♦C 01:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

October 4


ITN candidates for October 4

October 3


ITN candidates for October 3

October 2


ITN candidates for October 2

  • Nomination - Revised to existing ITN item:
On October 1, 2008, the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act in revised form is approved by the United States Senate and is sent to the U.S. House of Representatives, for reconsideration. Two days earlier the House rejected a different version of the bill, and the Dow Jones stock market index dropped of 777.68 points, or seven percent.
I leave it to reviewers and editors to edit this down as you see fit, and to ascertain its newsworthiness. I'm off line for 10 hours. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 04:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Support, but wait until if its passed by the House and the article is subsuquently updated, or if it fails, the market consenquences it has. SpencerT♦C 00:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

October 1


ITN candidates for October 1

  • I'm new to the whole ITN thing, but let me try to give it a shot. From doing a little reading, it seems that ITN should try to be not-stagnant. Since the current blurb on Wall Street losing ~800 points is inaccurate (that happened almost 36 hours ago), I would support its early removal and a replacement with September 30th's data. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 02:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure, the items are changing. However, we don't want to cover everything like in the news but only significant events. The ~800 points drop in one day is significant. If something like a huge sudden rise or another big drop happens, the blurb can be updated. Otherwise, I believe it should stay like this until it is replaces with new ITN items. Did I answer your question? --Tone 08:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
That did indeed answer some of my question. Thank you! However, I was wondering if we could note Tuesday's spike, as it was very significant as well. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 00:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Along with the MV Faina article, one could put MV Iran Deyanat, both are pirate hijackings in the news (and they seem almost to be mixed up sometimes in the news, though the first is transporting tanks and the second is transporting who-knows-what, possibly chemical weapons or radioactive waste). zafiroblue05 | Talk 08:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Could be, but what is the recent development here? I can't see this from the article, the hijack happened one month ago. Besides, speculations about the cargo should not be included on ITN. --Tone 08:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support, but the article could use a bit of expansion before going up. SpencerT♦C 01:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I think the article should have been on the "In news" by now as it is the fourth blast series within a week in India, making it more notable. Disclosure: started 2008 Agartala serial blasts (merged into 2008 Agartala bombings) and contributor to 2008 Agartala bombings.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 16:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Comment - You say that as this is the fourth blast within a week it makes it more notable but i'll have to be honest I suspect it actually makes it less notable. Just as bombing occurences in Israel/Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan occur too frequently for them all to go up this is becoming the case for India. We have to draw a line at some point otherwise every other news item would be about a bomb explosion. --Daviessimo (talk) 18:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support India-US deal
The United States Senate passes the civilian nuclear agreement between the United States and India by a vote of 86-13. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 02:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)