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Jakarta bus-stops

It is with some concern that I note a template and series of articles have been created for Jakarta bus-stops. I know of no reason in either WP:NOT or WP:ABOUT as to why any single bus-stop in Jakarta is a notable entity for articles.

see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_January_19 SatuSuro 08:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Should be in the map of Jakarta Mass Rapid Transit. I don't even like these templates: S Jakarta, N Jakarta, etc., and the "Indonesianmusic" template seen in for example Gamelan. I say delete! --Rochelimit (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought the Gamelan template was okay. Also did a few edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.213.192 (talk) 04:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

21 Cineplex entire article has no external references

Lack of citation fails to give weight to 'facts' posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJae (talk • contribs) 08:26, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

"Maluku" or "Maluku Islands"

I've opened discussion about how to refer to the region.Here. Please provide your thoughts there. --Merbabu (talk) 01:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Cut Memey

Hi! I created an article on Cut Memey, who is a big celebrity - But I don't know Indonesian. Would anyone mind help adding to the article? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 01:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami

2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami has been requested to be renamed, see Talk:2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami . 184.144.160.156 (talk) 03:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Notability of Middle Schools

Before creating an article about a middle school (SMP), please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SMPK 4 Jakarta. It appears that the current consensus is that middle schools are not intrinsically notable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:13, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Location of Lingga Island

I was looking for an obscure island in the south pacific, linked to Google Maps via Wikipedia and got to a map page showing dozens of "W" symbols each referencing a Wiki article. What a great feature! Thanks Wikipedia!

However, one of those "W" symbols, located at approximately 5ºS 104º25'W, links to an article on Lingga Island, which is located at 5ºS 104º25'E. I don't know how to fix that & I'm not really interested, but I do feel that all readers/users have an obligation to report errors. So now I have. Cheers & TTFN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.69.16 (talk) 15:51, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Mother's_Day#Indonesia

Please check that it's accurate. It would be nice if someone could find a reliable source for this, even if it in Indonesian language. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

California Fried Chicken...

...is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/California Fried Chicken. --Merbabu (talk) 07:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Backlog

I have brought the assessment backlog to a more manageable level. I plan on finishing it after I come back from Lampung, but if anyone is willing please feel free Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The assessment backlog is more or less gone. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Today's featured article

I have nominated Javan rhinoceros for Today's Featured Article for 17 August, 2011. If you are interested, feel free to add your opinion at the nominations page. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Peer review open for Chinese Indonesians

Hello. I have opened a peer review on the recently rewritten article on Chinese Indonesians, which has also received a copyedit from the Guild of Copy Editors. I would like to bring the article to featured status and am soliciting input from participants of relevant projects on possible improvements. Thank you in advance for any suggestion. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 18:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Find of the month

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinta_Fitri - any suggestions (apart from massive reduction) would be appreciated - as it is it is not a wp article - that is for sure SatuSuro 05:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Poor English and overlinked, but enough media coverage (through Google News search) and award wins (found in Indonesian version of article) to meet WP:GNG. The article has actually been around for some time. It's time to read the full synopsis and trim judiciously, I guess, now that the series is over. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 05:34, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Burn it and start from the beginning. I'm surprised it hasn't been AFDd yet. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I see enough of these at WikiProject Chinese-language entertainment to know that these types of things rarely get sent to AfD. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 06:09, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah. Presumption of notability on long-running shows? Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:16, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Common outcomes and WP:RUBBISH. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 06:20, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

True, true. For Cinta Fitri, I think we should still rewrite pretty much from scratch; it will relieve us of the temptation to keep the same prose. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:32, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

The sign of the phantom in the night drop it all in like a flaming rubbish bin - Indonesian Television articles - (1) overlinking (2) unable to grapple with the idea that the text needs cites/WP:RS (3) TMI (Too much information) (4) probably not an equivalent article in the Wp Id domain at all SatuSuro 06:58, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

On the contrary: id:Cinta Fitri, which is slightly more presentable. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:19, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Point taken - I am wrong with (4) - but I would disagree in agf - neither presentable or really adequate - hardly a cite anywhere and again far too large... maybe some smart cookie is trying to copy across to practice with their translation efforts SatuSuro 10:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ On a somewhat related note, sinetron probably warrants more than a simple redirect. A simple search of the word on Google Books yield several reputable works on the topic. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Impressive user draft

I discovered this impressive user draft on the Maluku sectarian violence in 1999–2002, a topic we are missing in our coverage of the chaos following Suharto's departure. It was written over a two-week period in the beginning of April. Unfortunately, the user—who appears to have taken on multiple usernames judging by the draft's history—has not made any further contributions to Wikipedia since then. One section remains unwritten, but I feel it would be a shame to leave the work to gather dust because it could benefit from further collaboration from other users. Does anyone have any opinion about it? —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 01:41, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Quite impressive, but check for close paraphrasing. I've had to rewrite one of the articles he created under his new username (probably) to remove that problem. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

You're right; it's him. His user page seems to indicate that he intends to continue working on it. It might be worth noting that he's edited the page under 2 IP accounts and 2 separate WP accounts already, meaning the one you indicated would be his third account. I will put the page on my watchlist and see if anything develops from it. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Maybe someone should be calling out WP:SOCK !!! and try to convince the user to stay with one name and account where possible SatuSuro 13:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I'd go the AGF route and assume it never occurred to the editor. Doesn't seem to be illegit. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

FAC nomination of Chinese Indonesians

The article on Chinese Indonesians is a featured article candidate. Editors from this project, whose scope covers this article, are invited to participate in its review. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 04:54, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Category issues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:The_spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia - I suggest that anyone interested might want to venture into the rather silent and not obligated to check with project world of category fiddling - SatuSuro 12:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

It's all happening - one thing after another and not a sign of any idea of discussion here at all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam_in_Indonesia SatuSuro 23:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Please note that people on this project have taken considerable time and effort to reach the standards in the history section: see specially in view of the discussions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia...

I believe that edit the notion of 'Bold' at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Islam_in_Indonesia&action=historysubmit&diff=450507853&oldid=450425592 is in total disrespect for (a) established template at the History as found at the History article - and is (b) jumping the gun on the discussion at the CFD rename which by no means is clearly one way or the other established a resolution.

It should be much more considerate and worthy of checking with the remaining editors on the project who have been around and involved in the creation of the template and project rather than just jumping around like that. SatuSuro 11:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Apologies for causing any offence. Feel free to revert the move if you feel sure that the previous name was better in the context of this project. I moved the page to History of Islam in Indonesia and suggested that the category should be named likewise to match others in Category:History of Islam by country. This pattern is being rolled out following WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 June 30#Religious history categories (e.g. the Christian history categories at CFD July 8). – Fayenatic (talk) 13:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

FAR notice

I have nominated Homo floresiensis for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer (talk) 13:11, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey, what should I do?

I am part of this group now. What should I do. I love Indonesia and I know a lot about it. So I could basically edit any wheres. But if you dudes have a suggestion, I will start editing it. Bring it on! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.36.165 (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

RM

Hi. If anyone knows a bit about Indonesian football, then some input would be appreciated at Talk:Indonesian football league system#Requested move. Jenks24 (talk) 16:52, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Images under deletion threat

Just would like to draw attention that several images of very broad usage are under DR at Commons, including: File:Balicolor.jpg, File:Java-1934.jpg, File:Ujung-Kulon.jpg. If anybody can find evidence of these having been published in Indonesia, than can be rescued. --Elekhh (talk) 05:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Borobudur

The main article Borobudur s getting too large as an article - and in fact the subject is almost of Portal size (any helpers?) - as a consequence I am proposing/suggesting - that parts of the main article might be separated into sub articles - the usage of the monument by events organised by the New Order and more recent governments is particularly out of context of the original site- as well as the gradual destruction by over-usage - I suggest that anyone who doubts the breakup idea - should see what had to happen with the Krakatoa article - it is now in parts - please support this proposal - thanks SatuSuro 13:00, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

The article quality has deteriorated significantly with the addition of new trivial and recent info. The language/prose throughout the article has deteriorated too. This feature article would likely fail an WP:FAR. It needs a lot of work. Start by deleting the excessive show off photos. I'd be happy to go through it with a scalpel in the new year - until then, I won't have much time. --Merbabu (talk) 13:14, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I am convinced it is potentially a portal subject with a lot more smaller component articles rather than a one size fits all into one article - maybe a project for the WP: Indonesia project for early 2012 - a Borobudur portal with the main article cut up into smaller ones! I do not intend to touch anything until new year - but would like to see the change occur SatuSuro 14:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Support me

Hi. The members of this project, please support me to create another WikiProject task force for Indonesian football. Your participation is appreciated. SpartacksCompatriot (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

FA Nomination

1740 Batavia massacre, within this project's scope, has been nominated for featured article status at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1740 Batavia massacre/archive1. Any feedback would be welcome. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)