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23 November 2009 - The data collection phase of this project is now over. If anyone in the future is contemplating starting a new phase of Mystery shopping, please review the talkpage and make sure you address the concerns expressed there. Also read the Signpost article for a brief summary of the results.

This page was created as a response to this critique of wikipedia, which poses two challenges: can we avoid the problem of new articles by newbies being tagged for speedy deletion within two minutes? And, can such new articles survive for 7 days?

To take up the Let's all create an extra account challenge:

  1. Create a new wikipedia account (remembering of course to inform Arbcom per Wikipedia:Sock puppetry#Legitimate uses by emailing arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org)
  2. Write an article that doesn't meet the deletion criteria
  3. After seven days add it to this page by creating a row in the results table.
  4. Create a subpage to this page in your user name and transclude it here whilst discussions are ongoing
  5. When you are ready to unveil your article notify all involved parties of this page, but please take care to be as discreet and gentle as possible when informing fellow editors of any mistakes they may have made.

Discussions about the scope of this project are welcome, at Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Scope.

Results[edit]

Author Article first edit & date Survived without deletion tag? If tagged was newbie informed? Survived seven days? Welcome Patr - olled Notes
Skomorokh as ...and the circus leaves town Searching for the Wrong-Eyed Jesus 6 Oct 2009 tagged G1 after 57 minutes No deleted after 71 minutes Not until the test was over Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Skomorokh#Searching for the Wrong-Eyed Jesus
WereSpielChequers as Dahsun Mago II of Carthage 6 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes No Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/WereSpielChequers#Mago II of Carthage
NVO as Antique Antics Julien-David Le Roy 8 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes No No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/NVO
NVO as Antique Antics William Craft Brumfield 10 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/NVO
Stormie as Force1995 Haig Sare 11 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Stormie#Haig Sare
Geni as Liveware problem Cotswold Canals Trust 17 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes No No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Geni#Cotswold Canals Trust
Decltype as The Quiet Biographer Thomas Boberg 19 Oct 2009 tagged as {{db-bio}} after 7 minutes No Speedy removed by John Z (talk · contribs) Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Decltype#Thomas Boberg
Olaf Davis as LestWeBeScattered Martyn Cundy 19 Oct 2009 tagged A7 after 2 minutes Yes declined by De728631 (talk · contribs) Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Olaf Davis#Martyn Cundy
WereSpielChequers as Dahsun Himilco II of Carthage 21 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/WereSpielChequers#Himilco II of Carthage
Olaf Davis as LestWeBeScattered Enoch Adeboye 23 Oct 2009 tagged G3 after 3 minutes, A7 after 5. Yes both self-reverted n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Olaf Davis#Enoch Adeboye
The ed17 as Encouraçado Brazilian battleship Riachuelo 26 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/The ed17#Battleships
The ed17 as Encouraçado Aquidaban 26 Oct 2009 tagged as {{db-nocontext}} after 26 minutes n/a declined after 47 minutes by Casmith 789 As part of the speedy tagging No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/The ed17#Battleships
SoWhy as Azerajion Richard Rogler 27 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes n/a Yes Cleaned up by JamesBWatson (talk · contribs) and Polargeo (talk · contribs)
SoWhy as Azerajion Andreas Rebers 27 Oct 2009 tagged A1 after 29 minutes Yes Declined by Skomorokh (talk · contribs) As part of the speedy tagging Yes Cleaned up by Skomorokh and R'n'B (talk · contribs)
SoWhy as Azerajion Wolfgang Stumph 27 Oct 2009 tagged A7 after 0 minutes No deleted after 4 hours 40 minutes n/a Yes Tried to appeal to deleting admin in my newbie persona at the admin's talk page. Unfortunately, he only responded once and forgot to respond when I asked why a reliable source and winning multiple awards is not an indication of importance.
SoWhy as Azerajion Russ Meneve 28 Oct 2009 tagged A7 after 26 hours Yes Declined by Jayron32 (talk · contribs) n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/SoWhy
Stevage as Speleo87 Batu Niah 29 Oct 2009 Yes n/a Yes No Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Stevage#Batu Niah
AJCham as ToonGamer Grainger Games 29 Oct 2009 Deleted after 6 minutes {{A7}} one of two deletions was notified Deleted after 2 minutes {{A3}} No No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/AJCham#Grainger Games
Decltype as Alis grave nil Lennart Hellsing 4 Nov 2009 tagged as {{db-person}} after 0 minutes Yes Speedy self reverted by Ilyushka88 (talk · contribs) after 6 minutes Yes by tagger Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Decltype#Lennart Hellsing
Decltype as Alis grave nil Johan H. Andresen jr. 4 Nov 2009 tagged as {{db-test}} after 7 minutes Yes Speedy removed by Vejvančický (talk · contribs) after 23 minutes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Decltype#Johan H. Andresen jr.
NuclearWarfare as Matrena balk Matrena balk and later Matrena Balk 10 Nov 2009 (deleted) tagged as {{A7}} after 1 minute. More followed. Yes No As part of the speedy tagging Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/NuclearWarfare#Matrena balk / Matrena Balk
Jake Wartenberg as Speedmark Antonio del Río 9 Nov 2009 tagged as {{db-bio}} after 3 minutes No Yes No Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Jake Wartenberg
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Grimmia antarctici 9 Nov 2009 tagged as {{A7}} after 0 minutes Yes declined by user:Hairhorn after 11 minutes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Schistidium antarctici 10 Nov 2009 Yes Yes Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Sarconeurum glaciale 10 Nov 2009 Yes Yes Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Pottia heimii 10 Nov 2009 tagged as {{A7}} after 0 minutes Yes declined by user:Nihonjoe after 3 minutes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Andreaea depressinervis 10 Nov 2009 Yes Yes Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Andreaea gainii 10 Nov 2009 Yes Yes Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Andreaea regularis‎ 10 Nov 2009 Yes Yes Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Dicranoweisia brevipes 10 Nov 2009 Yes Yes Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Dicranoweisia crispula 10 Nov 2009 Yes Yes Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTroll Didymodon gelidus 10 Nov 2009 Yes Yes Yes n/a Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Riana as 莲乸 Century of humiliation 11-Nov-09 tagged as {{db-nocontext}} after 2 minutes Via Twinkle Tag removed by JohnCD (talk · contribs) Via Twinkle No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Riana
Atama as JoeKole Mitchell Muncy 6 Nov 09 Yes n/a Yes No No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Atama
Atama as JoeKole James Chatters 10 Nov 09 tagged as {{A7}} after 0 minutes Yes Deleted after 2 hours As part of the speedy tagging. Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Atama
Coffee as User:McJombo Sails Broadway Rag 12 Nov 09 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Coffee
Coffee as User:McJombo Sails Tornado Jockey 15 Nov 09 tagged as A7 after 1 hour and 43 minutes later Yes Declined by NuclearWarfare Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Coffee
Coffee as User:McJombo Sails Polar Golfer 15 Nov 09 tagged as A7 after 58 minutes Yes Declined by NuclearWarfare Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Coffee
Coffee as User:McJombo Sails Super Granny 15 Nov 09 tagged as A1 first time after 3 minutes, tagged as A7 second time after 2 minutes Yes deleted after 1 hour 11 minutes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Coffee
Circeus as User:QcHistSci Ernest Rouleau 9 Nov 09 Yes n/a n/a No Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Circeus as User:QcHistSci Joseph-Alexandre Crevier 9 Nov 09 Yes n/a n/a No Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Circeus as User:Le quotidien Simonne Monet-Chartrand 15 Nov 09 Yes n/a n/a Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Circeus as User:Le quotidien Michel Noël 15 Nov 09 tagged under {{db-a7}} after 14 minutes Yes likely: speedy declined by Graeme Bartlett (talk · contribs) Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Circeus as User:Le quotidien Doris Lussier 15 Nov 09 Yes, but got a (quickly removed) {{BLPunsourced}} template n/a n/a Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Ilyushka88 as User:IHaveaSpoon Kellokoski 10 Nov 09 Yes n/a n/a Yes by Anna Lincoln (talk · contribs) Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Ilyushka88
Ilyushka88 as User:IHaveaSpoon Maria Jotuni 10 Nov 09 Yes n/a n/a Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Ilyushka88
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Munidopsis andamanica 14 Nov 09 Yes n/a Yes Yes by JohnCD 40 minutes after first edit Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Notoliparis kermadecensis 14 Nov 09 Yes n/a Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Swima bombiviridis 14 Nov 09 Yes n/a Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Rhizomucor miehei 14 Nov 09 Yes n/a Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Swima 14 Nov 09 Yes n/a Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Xenotropic murine leukaemia virus 14 Nov 09 Yes n/a Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Watan Group 14 Nov 09 No tagged as {{a7}} after two minutes Yes Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Phytophthora cajani 14 Nov 09 Yes n/a Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:Organismluvva Roger Allen Leigh 14 Nov 09 No tagged as {{a7}} after one minute Yes (twice) Yes Yes Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Angr as Kheew Antony (Khrapovitsky) of Kiev 2009-11-10 Yes n/a Yes No Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Angr
Angr as Intaritul Jean Palaprat 2009-11-12 Yes n/a Yes No No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Angr
Henrik as ECHRfan Jean-Paul Costa 2009-11-13 Yes n/a Yes No Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Henrik
Henrik as ECHRfan Christos Rozakis 2009-11-13 Yes n/a Yes No Yes Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Henrik
Henrik as ECHRfan Peer Lorenzen 2009-11-13 Yes n/a Yes No No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Henrik
Awadewit as Enlightenment1789 Ormond (novel) 2009-11-15 Yes N/A Yes N/A (welcomed by someone who knew who account was) No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Awadewit
Awadewit as Enlightenment1789 Harrington (novel) 2009-11-15 Yes N/A Yes N/A (welcomed by someone who knew who account was) No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Awadewit
Awadewit as Enlightenment1789 Practical Education 2009-11-15 Yes N/A Yes N/A (welcomed by someone who knew who account was) No Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Awadewit

Info we'd like to collect here (Counting only the articles that didn't merit deletion):

  1. Did your article survive or get deleted? Of 63 articles 23 were tagged for deletion. 18 were declined or self-reverted and five deleted .
  2. what tags did it get
  3. If your article was tagged for deletion were you informed of this?
  4. Were you welcomed?
  5. Did anyone else edit your article and if so what did they do?
  6. Did you feel welcomed?
  7. Did you feel ignored?
  8. Did you feel bitten?

NB please don't name and shame those who you think made mistakes in the table.

Participants[edit]

Please shift these back to transclusions when discussions are active:

Awards[edit]

Those who have rescued our newbies articles from deletion, especially non-admins declining speedies may be awarded the rescue barnstar:

Parameter: {{subst:The Rescue Barnstar 3|message ~~~~}}

Those who have gone out of their way to be nice and helpful to our newbies may well deserve the random acts of kindness barnstar:

Parameter: {{subst:The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar|message ~~~~}}

Participants whose socks have created good newbie articles may be rewarded with the Righteous Sock award:

Parameter: {{subst:The Righteous Sock Barnstar|your message here ~~~~}}

The NEWT notice is a polite way to inform other editors that they have inadvertently become part of this experiment, such as through tagging one of the articles involved. Judicious use of the message parameter is strongly recommended, especially if you are critical of their actions.

Parameter: {{subst:NEWT notice|your "newbie" account|discussion thread|your additional message ~~~~}}

Proposals inspired by these tests[edit]

  1. strategy:Proposal:Speedy deletion - 24 hour pause for some articles
  2. strategy:Proposal:Welcome all useful new users, if necessary by a bot
  3. Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Suggestion - authors must be informed
    Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SDPatrolBot II a bot that would do this
  4. Wikipedia talk:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion#Proposal/Idea for NPP changes - Twinkle and Huggle scripts for newpage and construction tags
  5. Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 37#Should unsourced become a speedy deletion criterion?
  6. Wikipedia talk:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion#Informing taggers that you've declined their tags
  7. MediaWiki talk:Welcomecreation review the welcome screen that you briefly see when you create a new account.
  8. Wikipedia talk:Autoreviewer#Bot to find article creators more autoreviewers would take some pressure off NPP

See also[edit]