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May 1

Linking names

how do i link things like names to someone on wikipedia72.83.76.179 (talk) 03:50, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Queen Anne-Marie of Greece (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
You were on the right lines, but the link was showing as a red link because the name of the Wikipedia article Constantine II of Greece isn't the same as the text inside your [[ ... ]] brackets. I have fixed this for you by using a piped link - [[Constantine II of Greece|Crown Prince Constantine of Greece]]. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:49, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Wiki Projects

How do I add an article to a WikiProject? I feel the article Burnley & Pendle should be in the WikiProject Buses and the WikiProject Greater Manchester? Whom would I contact to arrange the addition? Thank in advance (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Burnley & Pendle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
You can do this yourself. If you go to the article talk page and click "Edit" at the top, you will see the lines that link the article with its two projects; add more there if you wish. If you're not sure how to set the "class" or "importance" you can leave them out. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:48, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
See more at {{WikiProject Buses}} and {{WikiProject Greater Manchester}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thank you kindly (talk) 21:31, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

New nonnative-English speaking editor needs guidance

Special:Contributions/Mergimrama1995 keeps editing his life story into Template:Autobiography/doc. The D00D is obviously lost and he hasn't gotten the hint from a couple of user warning templates on his talk page. Anyone with the time and patience to shepherd this lost little lamb? -- DanielPenfield (talk) 16:36, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I've tried. We'll see what comes from it. --ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

"Clinton, now Govenor of New York"

I think you might want to check your data. Search Ohio Erie Canal and "Clinton, in 1816", is not the same recent Govenor of New York.

Your site: On December 11, 1816, Clinton, now Governor of New York, sent a letter to the Ohio Legislature indicating his state's willingness to construct the Erie Canal without national help, and asking the State of Ohio to join in the endeavor. On January 9, 1817, the Ohio Legislature directed Ohio's Governor, the same Thomas Worthington, to negotiate a deal with Clinton. Due to the cost, however, the Ohio Legislature dallied, and nothing happened for the next 3 years. Finally, in January 1822, in a fit of progressivism, the Ohio Legislature passed acts to fund the canal system and the state's public education obligations.

If you have a reliable source for the information, you are welcome to correct the article yourself. If you have not, or do not want to edit it, the best place to open a discussion would be on the article's talk page, as you would be more likely to encounter people with an interest and knowledge in the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 19:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean. DeWitt Clinton was mentioned earlier in the article. In the quote "On December 11, 1816, Clinton, now Governor of New York", "now Governor" means that on the mentioned date, Clinton was governor (possibly only Lieutenant Governor) as opposed to the earlier mention. According to List of Governors of New York there has been no other New York Governor called Clinton since then. Perhaps you are thinking of Hillary Rodham Clinton who was a New York senator. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:54, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

deletion question


I appreciate your help. We would like to delete an article we posted and I would love you guidance in doing so. I've read the "deletion" FAQ section but I'm still in need of clarity. We posted an article, were unaware of a lot of the mandates for validation (we have lots of hard copies, but not digital ref yet), and now have lots of alerts/warnings on top of our posting. OUr wish is to take it back down, get our validations in order and then re-post. It is for the University of Santa Monica.

In gratitude for your guidance! (talk) 21:20, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Many editors have contributed to University of Santa Monica since 2008 so it can not be deleted solely based on a request from the original creator. You have the same options as other editors. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy. A "prod" was rejected in [1] so that process is no longer an option. You can try Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
If you want to make significant changes to the article, you should start a discussion on the article's talk page about the changes you want to make. Then you might do either of the following:
  • Edit the article gradually, according to whatever consensus is reached on the talk page. You might put the 'inuse' template at the top of the article (by adding {{inuse}} to it) to give people notice that it is being changed
  • If your changes are going to involve a major reorganisation you might want to begin again on a user sub-page (perhaps copying some or all of the text from the article to begin with). If you are doing this you should put {{inuse}} in the article and {{userspace draft}} in the working copy, and explain on the talk page what you are doing. When you are ready, and have consensus on the article's talk page, you can copy and paste the text from your userspace draft back to the article. (You could alternatively ask an administrator to move your new page over the original one, but that would lose the former edit history, which is unlikely to be satisfactory.) --ColinFine (talk) 10:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I am wondering who this ("we" "our") IP is, as we've had a whole lot of trouble with COI editing on this article since the day of its creation. I fear this may be an example of not getting the results desired by somebody who misunderstands what we do here. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

How do i add pictures?

How do i add pictures of someone who doest have a picture or to just simply add a new picture76.114.194.175 (talk) 21:34, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

It can be a little complicated because of copyright concerns.
  • If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
  • If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.
If you have more questions then say where you got the picture from and where you want to add it. In particular, if you want to add it to an infobox (the information boxes at the top right of many articles) then details depend on the precise infobox and we have to know the article name. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:32, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I would like permission to edit jet engines

thank you Mkoronowski (talk) 23:14, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess you mean the semiprotected article jet engine and not the redirect jet engines. Your account should be autoconfirmed long ago so you should be able to edit it when you are logged in. Do you see edit links? If you see a "View source" tab instead then try to click it anyway and see if you can edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2

My Page.

Hello, My page (Nicolas Matagne)that i have made for this comedian on youtube that i very much enjoy so do alot of others, has a risct of eing bloacked because "i am making a page about myself" or "about a person". What i dont understand is that i am not making this page on myself but as i said earlier for a youtube star and I have seen alot of pages about people just like Nicolas on Wikipedia. Please answer. Thank you, NicolasM12 (talk) 18:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

You have some useful links on your talkpage that you should read. The person is propaply (I don't know) not notable. mabdul 21:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Nicolas Matagne has been speedily deleted per criterion A7 of the speedily deletion criteria. – ukexpat (talk) 14:06, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

May 3

Hacker (computer security)

I believe this particular wiki does not make a strong enough differentiation between crackers and hackers, actualy making a disservice to the latter ones.

Where can I make the official suggestion to edit this article in that regard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

  • The best place to voice your concerns would be the talk page of the article, create a new section and state your case, ask for opinions and so on. Captain Screebo (talk) 18:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Removal of “Accusation of Vandalism”

Dear Editor, I was creating my first article and made an error and I was accused of “Vandalism”. The editors thought I was playing a joke or doing an experiment. I would like to have this removed from my records with Wikipedia, please? I did not do anything wrong, intentionally. I still have no idea what I did wrong exactly? Before I started on the article, I contacted an editor for help on creating the article and I still received no response. It will take me some time to understand my way around Wikipedia and the vast amount of policies. I have been reading them for hours and hours. I would like to create an article and edit for Wikipedia. I am an English LIterature Major/ creative writing minor, who is in Sigma Tau Delta Honor Society and won an award for a nonfiction short story. My intentions are good. Thank you, kindly. glendafayeGlendafaye 00:46, 3 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glendafaye (talkcontribs)

The suggestion of vandalism was due to your dumping the following seemingly-random text onto an essay about how we should treat each other in Wikipedia:

I am glendafaye. I would like your help? I am not vested My article is non-bias Thank you kindly

Since it was so bizarrely out of place and ungrammatical, I can understand how it was assumed to be vandalism. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:28, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Erpeton tentaculatum

I edited a page about the Erpetron Tentaculatus (Tentacled snake) and it doesn't show my edit, why? (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Erpeton tentaculatum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I see your edit - the third small paragraph below the "Description" heading. Sometimes edits don't show immediately because of caching issues at the Wikipedia servers, at your ISP, or by your browser. If you bypass your browser cache you may see the edit.
However, your new text is likely to be removed because it does not cite a source. You need to say where the new information is coming from, so that readers can verify the information for themselves. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:38, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Please help with info box I messed up

Can somebody please fix the code for the beginning info box on the Muhammad Amin Bughra article? (or stop by my talk and tell me how to fix it.) Thank you. I accidentally messed it up while adding a citation template and I'm new enough at this that I'm not sure where I made the mistake even after looking at history. Cloveapple (talk) 04:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

You made a small slip which I have fixed - click this link to see what was wrong. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Aaah, now I see it. Thank you. Cloveapple (talk) 07:42, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Profile information

How to describe the profile information below profile picture?Arnabsarangi (talk) 10:00, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Narasingha Mishra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have edited the article to use an "infobox" instead of using the basic "[[File:..." syntax for the picture. You should now be able to add more fields, selecting from those listed at {{Infobox person}}. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Are these acceptable sources?

Is it acceptable to use government publications, letters from government officials on appropriate letterhead, court documents, and similar FOI sources as references in articles? Cor resident (talk) 21:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

It depends on what the sources are being used for. These are primary sources and they should be used very carefully. Where do you want to use them and what do you want to use them for? GB fan (talk) 21:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay, good comment from GB fan, hadn't considered that, but I was also editing to say: Probably not if they're from Wikileaks or you might end up like this guy. I think you need to be clearer about where these documents originate from; do you have hard copy due to using the FOI or are they just published on websites and, if so, do these websites conform to reliable sources or not? Captain Screebo (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

My topic is a municipality, Richardson, Texas and the sources are documents published by that entity and its agencies and officials. Some of these sources are published on the city website and some are hardcopy on their stationary. Cor resident (talk) 21:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

It still depends on what you want to source with these documents. If you are sourcing basic facts and figures about the city, probably OK. If you are sourcing what a specific person said in response to something else in the article, again probably OK. If you are sourcing controversial info, probably not OK. You do need to be careful that you don't add anything or make any kind of conclusions from the information. Looking at the article, Richardson, Texas, this edit I think is probably OK sourced to a primary source. GB fan (talk) 23:27, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Where can I do rough drafts?

I am embarking on some fairly extensive additions to an existing article and I will need time to prepare the entry. Also I would like to be able to invite others to review and comment on my proposed changes so I would like to do the drafts where others have access. I am thinking that my talk page might be appropriate (I'm told the topic discussion page is not) but I am concerned that formatting will be modified so I won't be able to cut and paste when the time comes to post the article. Please advise me about the best practice in this matter. Thank you. Cor resident (talk) 21:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

You can create a page in your user space such as User:Cor resident/test page then copy the content from the article to this new page and make the changes you wish there. Mo ainm~Talk 21:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

How does one do that? I went to my page and looked for something to click to create a page but I missed it. What did I miss, please? Cor resident (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Click the User:Cor resident/test page link, and just change the "test page" in the address line to whatever you want to call it. - David Biddulph (talk) 22:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

May 4

Electrical Distribution sysytem

Question : Why electrical distribution system voltage is 11 KV and transmission system voltage in multiple of 11 KV ?Anilmandalia (talk) 09:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Anilmandalia, I'm afraid you seem to be in the wrong place, as this area is for questions about editing and finding your way around Wikipedia. You should try our science reference desk and hopeful someone will be able to help you. Good luck! doomgaze (talk) 09:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

May 5

regarding karanam pinformation reg-

sir, i am a social studies research scholar. i had seen in the description of karanam that they are considered as descendants of vysya and sudra combination. This is wrong this variety is considered as vanikkaranam mostly belongs to tamil nadu south india. Rest of karans whether it is from south or north are considered as brahmin and kshatriya combination. this is mentioned in many puranas including bhavishya purana,padma purana,vipra vamsam,bruhannaradeeyam etc., which may or may not be available/published in its english versions.Kayasth group of north india has got close connectivity with karan culture. Karans are considered as brahmins in andhra pradesh,karnataka as well as kerala. sanskrit dictionaries also tells karan as a brahmin sect related to writer caste. they hold yagnopaveetha and all their rishi gotra are saptarshi names and pravara also followed.karanas vivaha/ marriage performed as per katyana sutra which is as per sambhukara method and they belong to samaveda.If they are descendants of vysya then thier gotra will be different and mostly belongs to vysya gotras and also note that no saptarshi gotra available in vysya community please answer or edit the page accordingly. all the above details avaialble in sanscrit texts mentioned above. sankar —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The place to post corrections is either in the article itself (if you have reliable sources. "Sanskrit texts" is not enough - you need to give a proper citation - preferably in English, but other languages are acceptable if the source is not available in English) or in the article's Talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Wiki editing tools

Hi there,

I would like to contribute to Wikipedia, but find the the syntax you need to follow in editing an article time-consuming to learn. Just wondering if there is a software that I can use to convert a text in Word format to wiki format? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Passau2009 (talkcontribs) 09:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

If you're writing a new article, you may find the tools described at Help:WordToWiki useful. But if you are editing an existing article, there's really no substitute for learning the syntax. I've left some introductory links on your talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Addition of external link to Boca Raton, FL page

Question already asked at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests; please do not ask the same question at multiple pages. – ukexpat (talk) 19:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I added an external link to a credible local newspaper, The Coastal Star (it covers a number of towns but has a separate Boca Raton edition) on the Boca Raton, FL entry. It was deleted. How do I address this issue?

Also, The Boca News that is already listed as an external link no longer exists. Dhartz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:33, 5 May 2011 (UTC).

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Citing the "interest" of a research piece.

I'd seen research material on prostitution in Victoria mentioned elsewhere which had been found via Wikipedia. I think it was from - the section on Economics and gender inequity I did some looking at the source of that research and the authors are from a feminist organisation (CATWA) which is strongly against prostitution.

Some of the material looks suspect to me but I don't know for sure that it is incorrect but I do think there would be value in referencing the interest/agenda of the authors of the research. Is there an accepted way to do so that readers are in a better position to make up their own minds about the independance of research material?

W3ldedSpace (talk) 20:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Discuss this on that talkpage and try to provide references. mabdul 12:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Tried to use IRC - no white box

Hi, wanted to use LIVE Chat but there was never a white box for me to type in, so first apologies to whomever I bothered as I tried to get through. Do I have to have my own IM account? I don't.

I want to know 2 things: 1 is how to use live chat 2 is how to add comment to user's talk page - I want to contact someone about possibly using his photo in a new book and I don't know how to do anything in Wikipedia.

General comment. For a newbie like me the help pages aren't useful. I need a step by step primer on how to get started. For example: How to add a template to my own talk page? How to add a comment to someone else's talk page.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandra Mandel (talkcontribs) 21:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

For point 2, I've left some introductory links on your talk page. The Tutorial and How to edit a page will set you on the right lines. I've never tried to use live chat, though, so I can't help you with that. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
The Wikimedia Bookshelf also has some introductory tutorials, videos, handouts, and much more. -- œ 11:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Try to use a local IRC client. In Wikipedia are enough listed, also for your operating system. mabdul 12:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

semi-protected pages

I am wanting to edit the Obesity page but it is semi-protected. How can I become a verified user so that I can edit this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newendorpj1 (talkcontribs) 21:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

You first have to become autoconfirmed — this happens when you have made at least 10 edits and your account is over 4 days old. You will automatically gain a few extra privileges, including editing semi-protected articles. Hope that helps, doomgaze (talk) 21:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
  • You can put in a request for a specific edit on the article's talk page (Talk:Obesity) using the template {{editsemiprotected}} on the talk page followed by a detailed request. I hope this helps! — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talkcontribs) 03:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

May 6

Request for Review of soon valley information page

while reading about the soon valley i found some information missing and sometimes the authors advertising their close ones more than the real situation. Actually one of the major division of this beautiful valley has been ignored in the text. when we travel to the west of Kathwai their is a beautiful mini valley, having all the colours of beutiful mountains, lakes, waterfalls, greenfields etc. the major villages in this area include Potha, Hardosodhi, Surakki, Jahlar, paprali....... the area is famous for Jahlar lake, building stones, coal mines, and a historical Budha statue. The author of a number of Urdu poetry books, Saqib Malik, also belongs to this region of the valley. By: M Naeem Awan —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:52, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

What is the name of the article in question? -Orange Mike | Talk 20:58, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I think you'll find it's Soon Valley. You could bring this up on the talk page of the article, you will need to provide sources, your own experiences or photos are not enough, it needs to be documented (see original research). CaptainScreebo Parley! 21:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

May 7

Creating a new Wikipedia page by translating an already established page that's in another language

Hello! Am a total newbie to Wikipedia contributions/editing and have the following questions:

A good friend of mine, who is married to a well-known actor, wishes to have his Wikipedia entry/page, which is in German, translated into English and thus have an English version of his German Wikipedia page created. She has asked me to do this.

What copyrighting regulations/laws/rules should I be aware of and consult?

Do I first need to get in touch with the author of the German Wikipedia entry--and possibly coordinate something with him/her?

Thanks so much in advance for whatever assistance anyone can give!FrohsinnUSA (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Basically, all you need to do is provide attribution. In the simplest case, just link to the revision history of the German article on the talk page of the English article. There's actually a template that you can use for this: {{Translated page}}. That should be enough, as far as I know, however someone else here may provide a more detailed answer for you. See Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia for the relevant help pages. -- œ 16:39, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
(after edit conflict):The different language wikipedias are independent endeavours. Articles may be translated from one wikipedia to another, but don't have to be: they can be written completely independently, or anything in between. Interwiki links are encouraged between articles on the same subject in different language Wikipedias, but are not automatic.
The rules you need to be aware of are biography of living persons, and conflict of interest. Your friend's husband may or may not be notable by the standards of English Wikipedia: German Wikipedia might have different criteria, so you should not assume that if the subject is in the German one he is necessarily acceptable in the English one.
Conflict of interest is an issue for you: you are not forbidden from writing an article about somebody you have a personal connection with, but it is discouraged, and you need to be very careful about verifiability and neutral point of view.
Probably your best course is to research if there are enough independent reliable sources to establish notability (these do not have to be in English, so if the German article is well-referenced, you can use those references. English ones would be better, though, if you can find them). Then request an article following WP:Requested Articles. --ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello, (in the same vein), despite your obvious enthusiasm I would suggest that you read conflict of interest, which, in particular, states: There are no firm criteria to determine whether a conflict of interest exists, but there are warning signs. Adding material that appears to promote the interests or visibility of an article's author, its author's family members, employer, associates, or their business or personal interests, places the author in a conflict of interest.
You could request the creation of the page at articles for creation and if the actor were of sufficient notability in the English-speaking world then I am sure the article would be created. Hope this helps. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:47, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
(in the same vein again...)If someone has asked you to write the article you should probably read our guidelines on conflicts of interest. You also have to make sure that the subject of the article is notable enough for inclusion, otherwise the article may get deleted quite quickly. Worth checking out are the general notability guidelines and the guidelines for entertainers. Having said that, if an article exists on the German wikipedia this suggests that the subject is probably notable enough, but the two sites do have different requirements. Since the article is a biography of a living person you have to be extra careful to include references to reliable sources. There's some helpful advice on this page. I know that that's a lot of reading, but it's better to do this then get into stressful situations with people deleting your article and your effort going to waste. If you need any more info, just drop me a message on my talk page. Cheers, doomgaze (talk) 16:49, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

May 8


i want to save the article on horses that have won the triplecrown in racing —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
If you go to the article (have I linked the right one?) and look at the options on the left, under "Print/export" you should see "Download as PDF". Is this the sort of "save" that you have in mind? -- John of Reading (talk) 14:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Notability of a person

Why is my page want to be deleted? Can someone guide me, because the page that I created is a legitimate page and the link are real... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlm32 (talkcontribs) 20:09, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

See WP:BIO for a list of criteria which indicate that a person is notable. If you did not assert any of that in the article you started about a model, that's why it was deleted. —C.Fred (talk) 21:09, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


What are all the possible things that can make a page about a band notable and worthy enough that it won't be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cusrud303 (talkcontribs) 21:04, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

There's a detailed list of notability criteria at WP:BAND. The basic rule is the same as for all articles, though (the general notability guidelines): they should have been substantially written about in multiple independent reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 21:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Quality scale?

My question is regarding the article Bolt (character), an article I helped creating recently. I've noticed that the article is a part of many different Wikiprojects, such as WikiProject Disney and WikiProject Animation, but has not yet received any rating on the quality or importance scale. How do I go about asking for that? Are are the advantages (or disadvantages) of doing so? I don't know about the quality but my guess is that this article isn't amongst the most important ones. --Carlminez (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Once the article talkpage has been tagged as related to a project, it goes into a queue for that project. Members of those projects will eventually get to dropping by to add the quality/ratings. In fact, you're always welcome to join a project or two - they'll typically help you to figure out how to rate articles accordingly! (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:04, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

May 9

Warwickshire Police Authority

I keep adding content to the page so as to create a well informed article however, after a few minutes when I go back to continue improving the article I find that it has been changed by someone - why and how! I do not find this very helpful and is in fact putting me off adding content and ensuring that pages you already have are factually correct (which they are not in the case in question). Sashataylor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:27, 9 May 2011 (UTC).

You'll find most of the answers in the messages on your talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:47, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
And if you wish to discuss other contributors' edits, you may do so on the article's talk page, or on the users' talk pages. You may also wish to look at the article's edit history. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:54, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


i am more than 4 days and 10 can i upload images??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karsos99 (talkcontribs) 09:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Try WP:IMAGES and WP:UPI. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Citing a personal interview?

So I am making a Wikipedia page on Bury Tomorrow, a famous British metalcore band. Through Facebook I am communicating with one of the band members and asking him questions about the band in order to ensure correct information. How do I cite a personal interview like this one? Mikeyxcore (talk) 11:07, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

You don't. A personal interview is original research, and can't be cited as a reliable source.
So if OR isn't allowed, is there any way I can upload pictures of our conversation or something as proof? Very little information about this band exists online, and I would really like to make this article possible. Mikeyxcore (talk) 11:24, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
If very little information about this band exists online, it may be that the don't meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. See WP:BAND. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
As far as I know, you wouldn't be able to. Of course you could use this information to help your research and find sources and so forth, but the problem is verifiability; anyone reading the article would not have access to this 'interview' to verify that what is written is correct. You can find the criteria for having an article about a band here, but I think with this band you shouldn't have too many problems so long as you reference it well (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners). I've got access to the Rock Sound archives and there is a bit of Bury Tomorrow coverage so I can give you a hand if you like. doomgaze (talk) 11:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, please! That would be extremely helpful, because I know they definitely fit the criteria according to WP:BAND, but this is my first article, so I am a little in need of assistance. I apologize in advance if anything I say or ask for is stupid. Mikeyxcore (talk) 11:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
No need to apologise - it's just that this site has more behind-the-scenes rules than you would expect. I've left you some introductory links on your talk page. I suggest you post your material as a userspace draft at, say, User:Mikeyxcore/Bury Tomorrow, and then other editors will be able to comment and improve if they wish. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Replied on your talk page, good luck! doomgaze (talk) 12:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I really, really appreciate it!! Thank you guys so much!!! Mikeyxcore (talk) 23:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia

I have updated information on the New South Wales government, but I can't using the tags and editing procedures. Can someone else do the formatting with the information I provide? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

It looks all fine at Government of New South Wales, if you mean this article and if you were the ip mabdul 16:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The information on the page was good prior to the March 2011, election. This needs to be updated and i can't do, as I have NO idea what I am doing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:46, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Going live!

How do I know that my article has been moved from the userspace to the mainspace? Don't see any time limit or any anything mentioned in the 'move' page! Would appreciate a response on my talk page. (talk) 22:02, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

It hasn't: it's still at of Bangladesh (BoB) where you put it: that is still in user space. Did you mean to move it to Boys of Bangladesh (BoB)?
If that is what you intended, please don't: move it instead to Boys of Bangladesh, and add an entry to the disambiguation page Bob.
But the article needs some work before you move it. It appears to be fairly well referenced (though they could be better formatted: see WP:Referencing for beginners, and some of them are to blogs, which are not acceptable), but the language is generally not encyclopaedic, and it reads rather like an promotional piece. --ColinFine (talk) 22:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
User:E2eamon moved it while I was typing the above. But I think its title is not according to policy. --ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

May 10

Inline citations


I am writing you with the request to help me in editing and completing a Wikipedia page. For some time, I am trying to eliminate some of your editorial board observations, regarding some inline citations. I wanted to ask you whether as inline citations at John M. Florescu's page, I should add the additional titles, which were created for the televisions to whom John M. Florescu has produced the interviews/shows. The same question I adress you regarding the DNC, when John Florescu was Director of Communication; should I add as inline citations the titles of the conferences he presented there ?

Thank you, Wait for your answer, Wish you a beautiful day, Dana Gliga —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dana E. Gliga (talkcontribs) 11:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Are you also User:Dana83art? If so, why are you editing with 2 accounts? – ukexpat (talk) 14:31, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
No. Inline citations should be used only for references, and should normally be secondary not primary sources: see WP:CITE. Usually individual titles and the like may be listed if there are not too many, and linked to if they are sufficiently notable to have individual Wikipedia articles; but there should not be external links to these. There may be a link to the subject's own website (outside Wikipedia), which will often then link to these titles. See Wikipedia:External links.
Incidentally, we do not have an editorial board. Anybody can, and many people do, edit Wikipedia, both to write material and to review others' contributions. --ColinFine (talk) 18:40, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Butterworth Hall Mill -Milnrow

Butterworth Hall Mill, Milnrow was not the last operating spinning mill in the area. The company went bankrupt in the 30's resulting in the loss of jobs and many small investments which its workers had placed in the company. It was a mule spinning mill.

After its demise the property was taken over by Swales- a business specialising in the production of paper waxed tubes which supplanted the costlier wooden bobbins used in the mills. The factory also manufactured items like medicinal pill boxes and similar small containers before plastic replaced these.

At the end of WW II there was no longer a need for coarse cotton fabric used for military equipment webbing and the like and so the cotton ring spinning mills were soon out of business. I would say that Ellenroad Mill was the last mill producing yarn. The company had had the foresight to see the end of the Lancashire cotton industry as it had been and had started to spin fine Egyptian cotton for shirtings - mule of ring ???- but it too closed down in the 50's.

From Arthur Howden, who grew up in the area and had first hand knowledge from staff at all levels who worked in these mills. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:48, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Interesting to hear, but first hand knowledge is WP:OR, and unacceptable to Wikipedia. We need a WP:RS that can be quoted as a reference. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:54, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
But the best place to discuss this is in the article's talk page; in fact the last section currently on that talk page concerned Butterworth Hall Mill (though there has been no posting since 2008). If you post your experiences there, it may be that somebody can work with you to find published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:46, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Template editing

How do you edit templates? (talk) 21:53, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The same way you edit articles - go to the template's page and click on "edit" at the very top. However, many templates do not allow anonymous editing. Which template are you trying to edit? TNXMan 22:00, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

May 11

Adding Photos

I would like to request help on adding photos to an article I just recently created. I'm having difficulty and cannot find any useful answers anywhere else. Please help me to better understand how to do this.

Blaidd96 (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess this question is no longer relevant, because the article has since been deleted because it did not indicate why the topic was important. But, for next time, the main help page for images is Wikipedia:Images, and that contains links to the more detailed advice on uploading images and using them in articles. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Expanding Stubs

I'm new to this and want to help improve the bird articles. Many bird articles have minimal information and are thus stubs. Would it be a violation of copyright if information from field guides and reference books were to be added so as to expand them? References to books would of course be made. Pratik Gupte (talk) 04:45, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes; this is exactly how Wikipedia articles work, by summarising information that has already been published in reliable sources such as books. You must take care to give the information in your own words; see Wikipedia:Plagiarism#How to avoid inadvertent plagiarism. Welcome to Wikipedia - I've left some introductory links on your talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Sigh. That's "Yes, this is a good idea" not "Yes, that would be a copyright violation". -- John of Reading (talk) 11:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Why is my page getting deleted?


I thought Wikipedia allows pages about people. I'm writing one about myself. Why is it that it's being deleted?

Kutta11 (talk) 06:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory and not a webspace provider. It allows pages about notable people - those who have been written about in reliable sources such as books, newspapers and academic journals. The rest of us have to manage without. In particular, creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged as described here. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:14, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Uploading files denied - not autoconfirmed yet. I think I have edited 10 times. How do I upload?

Hi there

I would like to update an image on a webpage I am writing. However, it says I cannot upload a file because I am not autoconfirmed. I have had a login to Wikipedia for a couple of weeks and have made several edits, which I believe to be over 10. Can you please let me know if I need to make more edits or if I can get access to upload files?Zwack GB (talk) 10:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


Looking at your contributions, this is only your fifth edit, and I don't know if this one counts towards towards the ten. Perhaps you weren't logged in for the previous edits? Once you reach ten you should read our image use policy to make sure your image is appropriate. Cheers, doomgaze (talk) 10:24, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Also based on your contributions, it appears that you might have a conflict of interest. Your name appears to indicate that you are affiliated with the subject you are writing about, Zwack. You username might also be a violation of our username policy as it is promotional in nature if you are associated with the company. GB fan (talk) 10:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Company Article

Do blogs count as a reputable newspaper (or other similar news source) for purposes of creating a company or product article? (talk) 17:06, 11 May 2011 (UTC)Lizzie

Probably not. I quote from Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, "Some news outlets host interactive columns they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professional journalists or are professionals in the field on which they write and the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control." If you haven't read the following pages already I suggest you also read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Most companies are not notable enough to be written about in an encyclopedia; a lot of people come to Wikipedia to try and promote thier business, but I'm afraid such articles tend to get deleted rather quickly. doomgaze (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Image uploading

plz help me as i dont know how to attach photos n plz provide me an easy way thanx Annaspervez (talk) 23:43, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Please read the image use policy to see if your image would be appropriate for Wikipedia. If it is, the best way to upload images is to go to the Commons and follow the step-by-step instructions there. Make sure you choose a descriptive file name that no other image has. Once you have done this, some help with adding images to articles can be found here. If you have any other questions you can ask me here or on my talk page. Cheers, doomgaze (talk) 08:14, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

May 12


I'd like to add the name of a charity I'm involved with-- -- to the wiki page on Chad. Best place for it would be under the caption of the picture of the maternity clinic.

How do I do this?

Branstonia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Branstonia (talkcontribs) 15:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Please don't - it would be considered linkspam and quickly reverted. – ukexpat (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

my article: The Dragons of Krynn

There shouldn't be any copy rights problem. I just take model of another page:, and use in on other book. How can I fix the problem?

Rotem Klein Orbach

Orbachkl (talk) 20:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC) Orbachkl (talk) 20:23, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The page has been tagged by an automated software program that has found a close match between The Dragons of Krynn and another website which also lists the 16 short stories in the book. I think that in this case the two pages have so little content that it is a mere accident, and not a copyright violation. I will leave the message in place, though, so that it can be reviewed by the project's copyright experts.
Meanwhile, you need to add something to the article to show that the book is important enough to be mentioned in an encyclopedia. The article you copied includes a reference to the New York Times to show that that book was a best-seller. So far, the new article is just a list of its chapters. See Wikipedia:Notability (books). -- John of Reading (talk) 08:15, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

May 13

Pictures don't show up

Why aren't any pictures showing up anymore? When I open an entry, ll I get is blank boxes where pictures should be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eak521 (talkcontribs) 04:10, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

It sounds as if you have disabled the display of pictures in your browser settings. This is especially easy to do by mistake in Firefox; if that's your browser, look at "Tools > Options"; "Load images automatically" should be ticked; then click the "Exceptions" button next to that checkbox, and make sure that you have not blocked "". If that doesn't fix it, post again here giving your browser name and version, and someone will give you detailed instructions. It would also help if you could tell us whether you can see the yellow "Powered by MediaWiki" image at the bottom right of the page, since that is downloaded from a different server. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I have the same problem, even when pictures are allowed. I think it has something to do with the Wikipedia servers... Thomasjamesfoster96 (talk) 06:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)Thomasjamesfoster96

What is Wikipedia

What is the exactly website of Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking, but you could look at the Wikipedia article and the slightly more technical introduction at Wikipedia:About. Feel free to post again her if you have more questions. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

how to remove my username from the articlelink


It has been some time that I started the article [| Jan Best] I know finalised it, and so now want to alter the link from into; without my username in the link. Can anyone help me, or direct me to the correct link in Wiki which provides the required information?

Thanks Deerntje (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Here you go: WP:So you made a userspace draft.
But I must tell you that you do not have nearly enough references, particularly for a biography of a living person. Also note that you should use wikilinks to articles and possible articles inside Wikipedia: so in your question above it would have been better to write [[User:Deerntje/Jan Best]], which would appear as User:Deerntje/Jan Best. Also note that you have not completely translated the first line into English!--ColinFine (talk) 09:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine. In that case, I will adjust before publishing. Can you give me some more directions? Not nearly enough references ... You mean that Wiki requires more independent references, and how many would be sufficient according to provide enough credibility? In addition, would it be in order to refer to Dutch or German texts? Can I also refer to information that is not online available (books, scientific magazines)? And, this probably sounds daft, I am not sure what you refer to as you say "... note that you have completely translated the first line into English ..." I checked, but clearly overlook. Deerntje (talk) 11:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

There is no really fixed number of sources required, the general view is that anything that could reasonably be challenged should be cited - there is more detailed guidance available here WP:verifiability and here WP:When to cite. Particularly important in biographies of living people is to thoroughly reference any statements which may cast the subject in a negative light (for obvious legal and ethical reasons). It is fine to refer to information which is not online (the material has to be verifiable by a third party but it doesn't have to be easy to verify). It is also fine to refer to foreign language texts if there is no English equivalent. I don't know what ColinFine is referring to in the first line either (unless he is referring to a previous revision). You could ask him to clarify on his talk page if you like. Equisetum (talk | email | contributions)

20:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

When I made the comment the first line had "en" twice for "and". --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I would like to upload an image (I own the copyrights) at an article I edited


My company asked me to upload a picture that we own on an article. It is impossible to do it unless my account is confirmed but I do not know how to do it.

I wouldn't like to become an administrator since I am not editing usually. This is a unique situation.

Thank you very much Ostria wind (talk) 11:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

First question: what is the image and what is the purpose of uploading it and adding it to the article? I am usually prepared to assume good faith but when a request contains the words "My company asked me to", I have to wonder whether the intent is to promote the company or its products, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. – ukexpat (talk) 17:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Second question, when you say "we own", who is we? Is it your company, if it is they would either have to release the copyright or it would have to used under fair use. GB fan (talk) 20:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I would like to upload an image (I own the copyrights) at an article I edited


My company asked me to upload a picture that we own on an article. It is impossible to do it unless my account is confirmed but I do not know how to do it.

I wouldn't like to become an administrator since I am not editing usually. This is a unique situation.

Thank you very much Ostria wind (talk) 11:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

First question: what is the image and what is the purpose of uploading it and adding it to the article? I am usually prepared to assume good faith but when a request contains the words "My company asked me to", I have to wonder whether the intent is to promote the company or its products, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. – ukexpat (talk) 17:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Second question, when you say "we own", who is we? Is it your company, if it is they would either have to release the copyright or it would have to used under fair use. GB fan (talk) 20:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello again and thank you very much for your reply!
I hope this is the proper way to answer your questions.
I work for a UK publishing house and one of our authors (Rosemary Shrager) has a new book coming out soon. Rachel, a colleague, edited the information on Mrs Shrager's wiki page regarding the new book (she just added a line to "publications") and now we would like to add one portrait. When I say "we own" the copyrights, I mean that the company owns the rights to these images and they want to release one of the portraits under the creative commons license in order to be used for Mrs Shrager's page. It is just a nice portrait of her (the book is nowhere in the picture or any other product for that matter).
The reason we want to upload the picture is purely because we feel it is important to have a picture at our authors wiki pages when someone is looking through them. We have no intention to promote the book through wiki. I am well aware that this is against your policy!
I am looking forward for your reply
Best wishes
Ostria wind (talk) 13:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
If your company is willing to release the picture under a suitable licence, it is very welcome: please read WP:IOWN for how to do this, and WP:IMAGE for how to add the picture to the article.
If you are contemplating making other changes to the article, you should read WP:COI and WP:PROMO first (but I think you have already done so). --ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Sree Sree Gita Sangha

I started an article on Sree Sree Gita Sangha-a temple. But, the headlines appears as ARTCILE ON WIKIPEDIA/SREE SREE GITA SANGHA instead of SREE SREE GITA SANGHA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Partha08401 (talkcontribs) 13:59, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

You mean Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ Sree Sree Gita Sangha, presumably? But before you move it to mainspace you'll need to repair the errors, and provide reliable sources as references, and you'll need to demonstrate the notability of the subject. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

May 14

Question about edit history

I recently got done editing the DJ Premier discography page about a half an hour ago DJ_Premier_discography, but I did not become a member before I edited it. I was reading a few minutes later that your IP address is used on the site unless you become a member, which hides your IP address. A few minutes later, I registered as a wikipedia user hoping that my IP address would be hidden after I registered. I noticed that my IP address is still up there, and I was hoping it would be replaced by my username. Is my IP address permenantly on the history page now, or can it somehow be removed and replaced with my username now that I am a registered member? Can you notify me on this question on my talk page? I would appreciate it. GOCUBSFOREVER (talk) 00:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

IP addresses can't be retroactively changed on page histories that I am aware of.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 00:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
It is possible, see WP:Oversight. mabdul 00:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

How to edit

how do you edit wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:33, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

See Help:Editing. If you have specific questions, feel free to ask again here. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


Kainth community belongs to jatt sikhs as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jass 14us (talkcontribs) 05:37, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Crystal Clear app utilities.pngThank you for your suggestion regarding Kainth. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


I am making an page for Baltej Pannu I know him personally and the information i am delivering is true because himself give me the information .How could i relate it to refrence .help please thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Komalpreepannu (talkcontribs) 16:01, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles, and in particular biographies of living persons, must be based on verifiable information already published by reliable sources. You cannot use personal unpublished knowledge. See also Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. The article risks being deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Price quotes for visa in Ghunna

I'm not quite familiar with the price of visa passports from Ghana to the USA; a woman told me they are 1500 each and I'm thinking that is not the case. I've met a woman that wants to move to USA as soon as poss. but i will not live with a liar. Please let me know the breakdown, thank you. Greg Hibbard (Redacted) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe you must have found one of our 3,000,000+ articles and think we are affiliated with them. This is a Wikipedia help page for information about editing Wikipedia. You might try the reference desk they might be able to help you track down an answer to your question. GB fan (talk) 18:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Broke References?

I received a message from Jim1138 that I broke 2 references with an edit I made yesterday. Jim requests that I repair the edit. Can you tell me how I do this please? I don't know what he means that I broke the references. I'm pretty new. ThanksVizbucks (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Your edit [2] added a Notes section with {{Reflist}}. There should only be one such {{Reflist}} in an article near the bottom and there was already one before your edit (in the Footnotes section). Jim1138's note to you about previewing is actually misleading because you couldn't see the problem when you made a section edit and previewed sections with only the one {{Reflist}} you added. If you edit a section with references then it can be helpful to temporarily add {{Reflist}} while you preview but it should be removed before saving if it's already in the original article. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I have fixed them for you. Click on the link to see exactly how I did that.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 21:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

How can I create a subpage to use for editing a draft?

Hi, can someone please tell me the step-by-step process of creating a subpage? I am trying to work on a draft of an article, and it got erased by a bot in the sandbox. So I would like to use my own "sandbox." But the create a subpage info is not specific on how to make a subpage. Where do i click, what do i type, etc. Thank you for your help! Ginnyinindy (talk) 21:26, 14 May 2011 (UTC)ginnyinindy

One way you could do this is type exactly what you want the subpage to be called into the search box on the top right of the screen. For example, type User:Ginnyinindy/subpage1, press enter then select "Start the User:Ginnyinindy/subpage1 page". Or you could type the link on your userpage (with double square brackets to turn it into a wikilink) and click on it, and click on "start...." as above. Hope that helps, doomgaze (talk) 21:33, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh and looking at your contributions I can see that you've already made one subpage at User:Ginnyinindy/Editnotice, so whatever you tried last time must have worked! doomgaze (talk) 21:35, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

May 15

help needed re links

Neil Anderson (author) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)


A message has flashed up on a wikipedia page I created saying it needs moe links. I would say there are more links in the article than on many others. Can you advise please? The article is about Neil Anderson (author)

LMSheffield (talk) 12:33, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess you are talking about Neil Anderson (author), since that is the article you have been working on. The message isn't saying you need to add more links in the article to other pages. The message is saying that there aren't many other articles that link back to Neil Anderson (author). This link shows that only two other pages link to Neil Anderson (author). One of those is a redirect from a name without the () around "author" and the other is a disambiguation page. Are there other articles within wikipedia that he is mentioned? If there are you should add links to his page from them. Hope this helps. GB fan (talk) 13:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

picture and article

hi i have inserted a picture into my article but looks too big how can reduce it? after i completed my article how can I put it into the internet so that the readers can have see it regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by حامد أوزي (talkcontribs) 13:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Which article? According to your contributions this appears to be your only edit. doomgaze (talk) 13:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
You can use assign a pixel width which maintains image proportions using the wikimarkup [[File:yourimagefilename.jpg|thumb|100px|caption]]. This makes your image into a thumbnail, a clickable smaller version which links to the full size image, but you can also add the |200px (or any other size) property to an image without making it a thumbnail Jebus989 13:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Links to sources

{{helpme}} I am having trouble finding out how to link my new article to various sources, icluding other Wiki pages for varification, etc. Please help.Veniceoctober (talk)

Joe Roseto (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
To link to other Wikipedia articles, use double square brackets - [[Example]] displays as Example.
But this is not the kind of link that the big red message box is asking for. The article needs to say where the information is coming from, so that readers can verify it for themselves if they wish; at least part of the information must be from reliable sources such as books and non-trivial newspaper coverage. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for guidance on formatting this source information, or just list them at the bottom of the article to start with. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:57, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Since Wikipedia is not a reliable source you would need to link to other sources for verification eg books, newspapers, reliable websites. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for more help. doomgaze (talk) 18:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

If I can't do it, who will? <smile>

I note in the guidelines that I'm not supposed to create articles about myself. Now, I completely understand the wisdom of this policy! But this might be a slightly different circumstance.

I found a Wiki category listing "voice actors." While I'm not anywhere near as famous as many of the 2500+ names on the list, I did work in commercial radio for over 30 years and have done countless ads, promotional announcements, some narration, etc. etc. (I'm now retired from broadcasting, but have a modest home studio.) I was a National Finalist for a "Golden Microphone" award in 1985, too. (Whoopee!)

Anyway, let me know which way to proceed. I might be able to get my brother to submit it -- he's been in the radio game for over 45 years (check out

Thanks a bunch, and I look forward to hearing from you! CFMitchell (talk) 20:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

There are ways you can get the article created. You can request the article be created at requested articles, probably will be a while before it is created. You can create the article yourself and submit it to articles for creation, then someone else will look it over and say whether it should be moved to the mainspace. You can also create the article in a sandbox in your userspace such as User:CFMitchell/sandbox and then when you feel it is ready and meets the notability guidelines, you can submit it for review at Wp:FEED. Someone will give you feedback on how to improve the article. In any event whether you do it or your brother does, you should state that you have a conflict of interest. If you have any questions please ask. GB fan (talk) 20:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
What we will be looking for is reliable coverage in notable publications. For instance, if there has been an interview of you or article about you in a major metropolitan daily, this would make it quite likely that the article would pass under the WP:GNG and WP:BIO standards. Or maybe, two such articles in smaller papers or magazines, or that sort of thing. Lacking something like this does not automatically disqualify the article, but the subject has to have some markers of notability in reliable sources to meet the standards of WP:NACTOR or at any rate WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Herostratus (talk) 21:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! Very helpful.

CFMitchell (talk) 08:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

how do u make the box with name birth etc.

how do u make the box with name birth etc.

DaisyFan7 (talk) 23:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox person should do the trick. doomgaze (talk) 23:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

May 16

Conceptual proliferation

I just edited, very substantially, the main text of the article "Conceptual Proliferation" successfully. The revision of the text I did has appeared in the article. Having learned that much, I wanted to put in the discussion section of the article my reasons for the changes. How do I do that? ARRust —Preceding unsigned comment added by ARRust (talkcontribs) 19:01, 16 May 2011 (UTC) Conceptual proliferation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Such discussions take place at Talk:Conceptual proliferation. Note that the P must be lower-case, not upper-case, as our software is sensitive to such issues. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

May 17

Adding an image to an already existing page

there is a page that i want to add an image to it. it doesn't have an image it belongs to a radio station and i want to add the station's logo image but i don't know how, or if i can. can someone please help me out here X1962X (talk) 06:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The copyright issues make this more complicated than you would expect. I suggest you post again here, giving the name or URL of the Wikipedia article, and the URL of the web page that has the logo. Then one of the volunteers here will be able to do it for you. Welcome to Wikipedia, anyway - I've left you some introductory links on your talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Company logos can be uploaded under the non-free use criteria - see WP:LOGOS. – ukexpat (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Article page:

The Logo I want to use here:

The Radio stations web page:

Emmis Communications web page (the owner of the station):

Hope this helps you help me, Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by X1962X (talkcontribs) 19:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- John of Reading (talk) 19:48, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

editing of any article

hello! thanks for providing a good amount of information about so many topics, people, etc. but it is said that anyone can edit any article, whether its right or wrong, its quoted as the part of article, which definitely effects the authenticity of any information, can you please clarify my this question?? thanks and regards, mohib —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. But misinformation is often caught and removed fairly quickly; I suggest you read the article Reliability of Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Adding an image on an author page

Hello - I am working on my first article, of an author. How do I upload in a side box an image of the author, with a couple of links below it, similar to what is on Zadie Smith's page? Any advice would be helpful, thank you,Veevivovum (talk) 17:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)Jennifer

The box is called an infobox, in this case {{Infobox writer}} - see that page for instructions on how to use it. As for the image, the first question is who owns the copyright to the image? If it is not you, then you will have to seek permission from the copyright owner to upload and use it on Wikipedia, see WP:IOWN. – ukexpat (talk) 17:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

how to edit

what bottom do i click to edit once i am logged on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pegasus13banana (talkcontribs) 17:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

There's an "Edit" link at the top of most pages, where it says "Read / Edit / History". I've left you some introductory links on your talk page, including a link to Wikipedia:How to edit a page. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

May 18

Move draft - name article - upload photos

Aside from a few additional content changes, I want to "move my article" name my article" and add photos that I own and have the rights to - how do I do this so then I can get feedback? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Libraartistmgnt (talkcontribs) 02:53, 18 May 2011 (UTC) (Blocked user)

Your article has a number of problems:
  1. Much of the text is copied from his myspace
  2. There are no third-party sources which indicate this artist has received a lot of coverage and is important enough to be included in the encyclopaedia. Examples would be: news articles in national newspapers about the artist or reviews from major music sites (not blogs).
  3. The article is not written from a neutral point of view. It reads like an advertisement, which Wikipedia is not (see WP:SPAM)
For these reasons, if you move this article to mainspace, it will likely be deleted. If you wish to start a new article with original text, and have found some sources, I will be happy to help Jebus989 13:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Your draft is not ready to move yet. It is extremely promotional in tone and does not support the notabilty of the subject by references to reliable sources. Also, you user name is a clear breach of Wikipedia's user name policy. – ukexpat (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Please help with moving my page

I created a new page (aids2031) a couple of weeks ago, have asked for feedback but still cannot post it to the live pages. This is my first submission and I do not have access to the "move" button. What can I do to finally post this article? My username is jaydowle and the article can be found at While I find the Wikipedia instructions/guidelines/tutorials on formatting and writing very helpful I do find those relating to the submission of articles extremely confusing Obviously in uploading I would wish to change the title to ‘aids2031’ (talk) 13:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

To move your page, you can either make an account or apply to requested moves. Alternatively, the easiest way is to add {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of the page you want moved. I could move it myself, but I am struggling to find any reliable sources which show that aids2031 has received significant enough notice in third-party sources for it to be included in the encyclopedia. The sources you give are all self-published, by the group running aids2031 so are not third-party sources. As such, if I were to move it in its current state, it might be deleted Jebus989 13:25, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I think the user already has an account (User:Jaydowle), but posted this question while logged out. In any event, I have moved the subpage to AFC, where it is now located at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/aids2031. – ukexpat (talk) 14:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Right you are, my mistake. I may be wrong but I do not expect this article to be accepted in its current state. I'll try again to locate some extra sources Jebus989 14:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I received warning that a page that was created on me was not done correctly and that it should be created like a resume.

Question crossposted at the Help Desk. Let's keep the discussion in one place. – ukexpat (talk) 20:55, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I received warning from Wikipedia that a page that was created on me was not done correctly and that it should be created like a resume. So, I tried to correct it. Now it has been deleted. What can be done? Create a new page or can the old page be fixed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:42, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I would contact the administrator who deleted it and ask them to move the article to your own subpage where you will be able to work on it without it being deleted. Then once you feel it is ready you can ask someone at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback to have a look at it and see if it is ready to be moved to the main article space. doomgaze (talk) 19:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

May 19

Updating Questions

I've got two questions regarding updating one of your stubs:

1) I'm having difficulty putting a logo on the Constitution Party of Minnesota page. I've reviewed a couple of other pages to see how they do it, but mine doesn't work so well. I've got logos in jpg, pdf, png and gif on my desktop, but can't figure out how to get one of them to show on the page. When answering, please speak plain English - I'm a novice at this.

2) So far I haven't been able to figure out how to "destub" the article.

Thank you!

Whitsj2 (talk) 17:33, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

To answer your second question, to de-stub an article you have to remove the (in this case) {{US-party-stub}} template which is towards the bottom of the article. You should then go onto the talk page of the article and change the "Class=" fields to a different rating, (start, C or B). However, you should only do this when an article is sufficiently detailed to qualify for these higher ratings. I've looked at the article and it still looks like a stub to me, so you or other editors would need to add some more content. See here for more information about our rating system. doomgaze (talk) 17:40, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
You can upload images to the English Wikipedia when your account becomes autoconfirmed in 23 hours. See Wikipedia:Images and Wikipedia:Logos, and come back then if you have problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

May 20

how so i delete all the ones i have looked at.Thank you for your help.

Please help.Bold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:12, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

The Wikipedia policy on deletion of articles is here. If that's not what you are looking for, please post again here with more detail. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

how to insert a picture

File:C:\Users\Dravid\Desktop.Shri syambu

Not sure what you are asking, but this page may help. – ukexpat (talk) 13:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

How do I get my article, drafted on my Talk page, into Wikipedia proper?

I have drafted and polished my first article on my Talk page - on Michael Watts, the journalist and broadcaster - and duly previewed and saved. But what next? There is no option to submit. So, using the Article Wizard, I have cut-and-pasted my own contribution from my talk page and again, tried to submit. But again, nothing happens. What am I doing wrong? Neetsdunne (talk) 15:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

You pasted it into your userpage! I've moved it to Michael Watts (journalist) for further improvement. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Even though Orangemike has moved it, you might find WP:SYMUD helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Believer magazine - reader's forum

I would like to create a Wiki space for readers of the Believer magazine to comment on that magazine's content. The "letters to the eidtor" column only publishes 3-5 letters per issue and many more are sent in. I would like to see reader's letters not contained in the hard copy magazine. How do I do that?Boathotelm (talk) 16:17, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. Wikipedia is not the correct venue for this purpose per the policy WP:NOTWEBHOST which states "You may not host your own website, blog, or wiki at Wikipedia". If an article for the magazine exists, the attached talk page is only to be used to discuss the article, not the magazine. A better way of doing this would be to create a free blog (for example blogger); alternatively, there are sites available which will host your own wiki (such as wikii or wikihost) Jebus989 16:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Translating articles

Hello.Firstly I would like to state that I really admire Wikipedia's work so I would like to help this site as I have also gained useful information from here.However there is a limited number of articles in my mother languages and some years ago I had trouble understanding some articles so I do not exactly want to create new pages of my own but actually translate them as a lot of people I know are not fluent in English and they cannot find useful information anywhere else.I would like to be informed if this would create any problems regarding privacy policy and what should I write in the Referencies.Sincerely thanking you in advance for your time and assistanceAk6mak7 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC).

Translations from other-language Wikipedias are welcome: see WP:TRANSLATE. Bear in mind that different-language Wikipedias may have different rules about referencing and notability. You would need to add references to your translated article, whether they were there in the original article or not. References should be in English if there are English sources available, but if not, citations in other languages are acceptable, provided they are to reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 22:21, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
As I read it, Ak6mak7 is asking about translating articles that are already in the English Wikipedia for use in another language version. If I'm correct, all Ak6mak7 needs to do is is give proper attribution to the source article. This is usually done by simply adding a template to the translated article. Ak6mak7, go to Template:Translated page and see if the language you're interested in is listed among the interwiki links on the left side of the page. If it is, click on the link and add the template you find to the talk page of your translated article (filling in the appropriate parameters); nothing else is needed. Deor (talk) 23:00, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

May 21

May 22

Who Are Allowed To Merge Templates Once Discussion On TFD Suceeds?


Are only administrators allowed to merge templates?Curb Chain (talk) 06:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't find documentation to cover this point, but I think the answer is "no". Once an administrator has closed a TfD discussion with a "merge" result, the fiddly job of updating the templates can be tackled by anyone familiar with the syntax. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

To add an image to an article.

Hi, I have an image that was taken by me and I want to upload it in an article (Lambadi - Tribe) as there are no images in the article. I have tried doing this earlier and failed miserably. Especially with the copyright part.

I have tried reading up but considering I am a noob, that doesnt work very well.

Can someone help me with this?

Also, I want to take part in featured picture of the day, which also involves a similar issue.

Kindly help me. Requesting you to notify me on my talk page please.

Thanks and regards, 11:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)11:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)11:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC) Hariya1234 11:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)11:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)11:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariya1234 (talkcontribs)

Full instructions to upload an image can be found here. If you have read these, and think your image is suitable, you can upload it here. To pick the image license you wish to apply, see these options.
Once uploaded, it can then be added to an article using the syntax [[File:filename.jpg]] (with several other options, clearly described here) Jebus989
Also, you may want to upload the image to Commons instead—it can still be used on English Wikipedia and on other wikimedia sites. Plus the uploading wizard is somewhat more helpful than image upload Jebus989 12:15, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Jebus989. I tried uploading the image however I got this error "File extension does not match MIME type" Can you help me with this?

Requesting you to notify me on my talk page please.

Hariya1234User talk:Hariya1234 —Preceding undated comment added 14:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC).

What is the file format of the image? When uploading, ensure the destination filename extension matches the source filename extension (examples of permissible extensions are .png, .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .ogg, .svg, .tiff). Detailed information on the MIME (Internet media type) detection is available here Jebus989 15:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! that really helped! Hariya1234 (talk) 17:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Black Arrow

Charles King and Yakima Canuk are in this serial, I don't know how to edit so add them to the cast. Your old western pal, KB —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess you mean Black Arrow (serial), Charles King (actor) and Yakima Canutt. None of the sources appear to connect those actors to that film so if they were in it then it may have been in small roles not worth mentioning. Do you have a source? Wikipedia content should be based on published sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Maybe you were thinking of another serial. They are both in Deadwood Dick (serial) and White Eagle (1941 serial). PrimeHunter (talk) 17:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

how I wish to edit a sentence in a wikipedia article, but anm unable to understand how. PLEASE HELP!

Dear Folks,

Thanks for Wikipedia!

However, I am unable to understand how to Edit a Wikipedia article, or even how to Register to become an editor.

Below is what I would like to do, editng-wise:

  • "Examples of the ideology of Conservapedia in its articles include: advocacy for Young Earth creationism, negative accusations against US President Barack Obama, criticism of Albert Einstein and relativity, and claiming a proven link between abortion and breast cancer."
  • "Examples of the ideology of Conservapedia in its articles include: advocacy for Young Earth creationism, negative accusations against US President Barack Obama, criticism of Albert Einstein and relativity, 'stating that homosexuals (who are all outside the "War Between the Sexes") are violent while having sex with each other, and claiming a proven link between abortion and breast cancer, or atheism and obesity."

Above is a sentence taken from the wikipedia article on Conservapedia, and then below that, the way I wish to edit that sentence, which I have tried toput in bold type, but I can't do even that.

Please help me. I feel personally attacked by Conservapedia's erroneous and ignorant fantasies about homosexual lovemaking, and I would like to edit that sentence to include the lie they are telling about me and my sisters and brothers.

I AM BARBARA LOUIZE at (redacted)

Hello Barbara. Conservapedia is absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia, and it is likely that nobody here at Wikipedia can help you. I'm afraid you will need to address your concerns to Conservapedia. Sorry, I misread your question. The answer is that Wikipedia may not contain personal opinions, however many people might agree with them: they count as original research. If you can find a published reliable source (such as a book or newspaper) which expresses the view that you want to include in the article, you can add the information, and cite that published source as a reference, but not your own opinions. Please see WP:NPOV.
I have removed your email address, and the multiple copies you somehow created of your question. --ColinFine (talk) 20:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

drop stub section

OK, so now I've edited a stub. It is now a full article. How do I get rid of the Stub designation? I tried, but someone reinserted it. (talk) 21:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

To remove a stub rating, go to the article talk page and change the class=stub property of the correct WikiProject template to the new rating, for example class=start or class=c. Different Wikiprojects employ their own rating systems. Also, there may be stub templates at the bottom of the article, which look like {{protein-stub}} (for example), and these should be removed also. This removes the page from respective stub categories.
You may need to purge the page for it to update properly.
If you link the article, I can help you remove the stub rating Jebus989 21:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

why is it like that?

I am an Iranian and as you know country music is not played in my country as opposed to North America.A few weeks ago I saw an article about an Iranian band which plays country music and their lyrics are in English and their songs are original (not cover) in jadidonline magazin which is an Iranian online magazine that publishes multimedia reprots and interviews in all Persian-speaking countries such as Iran,Afghanistan,Tajikestan and .... Ofcourse as an Iranian who loves country music I'm so proud of this and intended to add a line in the page 2011 in country music about the mentioned band. But maybe somethings wrong because every time I add the line it is deleted. I kept adding it in different ways untill I received an nottification from wikipedia to stop adding the line. what was my fault? By the way I added the URL of the page in jadidonline web site as a reference What should I do to add the information about this band in 2011 in country music page?Country music informer (talk) 11:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi there, this information does not belong in the article 2011 in country music, which is why is was removed. The other events listed in that section are much more notable than the emergence of this single band. A point raised by the remover was that there is no article for Dream Rovers. In order to create one, the band must be notable (as defined here), which means several reliable sources have published information about the band, such as album reviews, a history of the band and tour announcements.
Finally, Wikipedia is not for promotion of an artist—this is an encyclopaedia which only covers important, notable musicians Jebus989 11:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually, Jebus, it covers only notable musicians: this says nothing about whether or not they are important. If a band is important, it is likely that they will get written about and become notable, but that may not yet have happened. Country music informer, your best bet is to see if you can find enough reliable sources to establish notability, and if so either write an article about the band, or request an article at WP:RA. The references don't have to be in English, though if there are English sources it is best to use them. --ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Defining Synthesis

Hi, I have been wanting to start editing for quite a while, but have been a bit hesitant. However, when I saw the state of the "media bias" page, I knew where I could help. Much of my graduate studies focused on media bias, what it is, what it isn't, etc. I wrote a lot of papers and have a lot of sources on this subject. However, I don't know if what I have would be considered synthesis. I compiled a lot of data and noted similarities between the authors. From my understanding, if I used those ideas to come to a conclusion of my own, that would be original research. If I note that different authors came to similar conclusions, or had similar ideas, is that synthesis? Thanks for your help. ScamperCat (meow) 23:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It seems like you have already read the no original research policy but I think the clearest description of synthesis is:
You can report the conclusions and ideas of other authors, but any extra interpretation or advancement of their position is not allowed. It is ok to reference your own published work a little, but only if you think a neutral editor would agree it is useful (see WP:SELFCITE). Excessive self-referencing is deemed a conflict of interest. I hope that helps! Jebus989 06:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

May 23

Not Notable??!?!?!?!

Hi, I asked that why my information about an Iranian country music band keeps removing from the page "2011 in country music" and the answer that someone gave me was kind of ridiculous.Although he gave me some useful information too. The answer was:" The information in that page (2011 in country music) is more important than emergence of a single band." Now my question is that. Which one is more important? emergence of a country music band(A western music which is not known so much in the east) in the eastern lands or Jwele and Ty Murry expecting their first child together. I guess first one is more suited to be mentioned in a so called "encyclopedia" but only because they announced their baby's birth in people magazine it is worth to be written in "2011 in country music" page.So what should the people from other countries do when they don't have "People Magazine"? By the way the reference I mentioned is a reliable online magazine which is popular in all Persian-speaking countries. Maybe here is not the place to talk about this but I just had to say that.Country music informer (talk) 03:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Country Music Informer. As I tried to explain above, Wikipedia has a very precise definition of notable, which does not make a judgment about whether or not something is important. Jebus989 did not say that the emergence of your band was not important (though he did use the word 'important' later on), he said it was not notable: this is a question of fact, and it is possible for you to refute it if you can cite the required references. Your on-line magazine sounds as if it might indeed be one such reference (as long as it is an edited magazine, not a site that anybody can contribute to).
Jebus989 also advised that if the band is notable, the best thing would be to create (or request) an article on that band if you can find the requisite sources, and I agree. Once there is such an article, it might indeed be appropriate to include their debut in 2011 in country music. --ColinFine (talk) 07:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Advice on differing opinions on including or not including material

I would greatly appreciate your assistance. You can look at some of the discussion of 'Barbara Boxer' and 'Jim Demint' to see some of the discussion I have had. There seems to be an inconsistency in deciding whether to include or not include material.

Then today I read a comment from Tarc on the Barbara Boxer page basically saying 'give it up, you will never win', and thought before responding and continuing the discussion, I would seek somebody's advice on how to deal with the issue.

We are dealing with two embarrassing events in two Senator's lives which the opposition to them have made a big deal about. The event has been included in the conservative's page, but omitted from the liberal's page. Including it in both, or not including it in both would seem consistent and appropriate. However, to resist deleting it from the conservative's page and resist restoring it to the liberal's page seems bias. I wonder what I should do. Rodchen (talk) 06:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Because one is effectivly hate speach declaring that some individuals have less rights than other and the other is someone requesting that they use the proper title while addressing them? Jim Demint has been negativly impacted by his comments, has had signifigant opposition to him raised due to his comments and has been dogged by them. Barbara Boxer has one inneffective campaign ad run against her from a republican and Carly Fiona's campaign was inneffective in the extreme (Babs won by a massive margin)versus her using her not ma'am/senator manufactroversy. Further, which is one of the three things that the millitary is allowed to call a senator (as stated by the source) so she was in her rights to request it and frankly many women, and men for that matter, prefer to be addressed by an earned title as anyone who's called a Doctor Mr/mrs can attest. In short, one is a notable incident that has affected a politician in certain key groups and the other is not and has had no measured impact whatsoever. (talk) 13:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your response though I am a bit puzzled by it. First, it seems strange to have a 'number', and not a registered account or administrator answering the question. Second, your comments seem very similar to the comments on the Boxer / Demint pages, and not really respondng to my question. My question is 'why should I do?' Rodchen (talk) 14:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Non-registered editors are not only permitted but welcomed to participate in discussions here. The responses you get are similar, because the answer is the same: one is a substantive matter, the other is an ersatz "issue" that nobody cared about, and which the subject's opposition failed to make significant use of. It's the difference between Apples and TRS-80s. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The answer to what should I do, is accept the majority opinion as backed by sources as this is a source based encyclopedia. In the waterboarding article you should accept that the overwhelming majority of sources indicate that it is torture and only the hardcore right-wing 'conservative' disagree in some cases. Barbara Boxer won her election with record numbers so the 'walsh incident' is a non-issue. And Jim Demint's hate speech is something that has dogged him since he made the comments. You need to apply the same standards to everyone and stop seeing issues where there are none. Your guys have minority viewpoints that are not well supported by sources and while that may make you upset and you may honestly believe that a balance is missing, Wikipedia has a bias... towards sourced materials. That is my bias, towards sources, and every other good editor out there. Your issue, primarily, is that you argue that X is wrong...and then provide nothing to support that assertment. Your waterboarding article discussion was a long string of "I'm just asking questions" and then not respecting any of the editors answers. Which is exactally what you are doing here. Its when you have an editor who is biased towards a position that we have problems. And editing 20+ articles against WP:LEAD, quite obviously, in many cases is not in a great position to question the motives of another editors. Remember, AGF. (talk) 22:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I notice with concern your 'user talk page'. It contains a long track record (over a year) of unconstructive comments. Rodchen (talk) 15:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Its a shared IP. (talk) 22:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Your reference to Demint's comments as 'hate speech' indicate to me a significant bias just as if I were to refer and think Boxer's comment as 'unpatriotic'. Rodchen (talk) 01:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Essentially your long term issue is that when you disagree with what someone else says you come up with a pithy response that avoids the issue. Again, as has been told to you repeatedly by multiple editors, your opinion does not count on wikipedia and you need sources to back that up. Sources call Demint's comments hate speech. Sources do not call Boxer's comments unpatriotic. You keep arguing points but provide nothing to back them up. On wikipedia we can't even say the sky is blue without sources to back it up. This is what every other editor is telling you to do, yet you seem to be missing the point. Please review policy like several editors have mentioned. You have issues with WP:Lead, WP:Source and WP:Notability at minimum. I would also review the pillars to better understand why you are having so many issues. It is a chore to discuss things with you because you obviously ignore anything that doesn't fit into your worldview and that worldview does not include a basic framework of wikipedia policy.
You need sources that state the signifigance of the Boxer issue and describe its signifigance. There are some that describe the incident but since absolutly nothing came of it (she won her election with record numbers, there were no signifant issues between her and the military, she was not turning new earth when she asked to be called senator by the military) then it goes away. Meanwhile Demint was accused of hate speach by several organizations from his words and the effects on his campaign, multiple denials, poll number hits, multiple addresses of his stance on homosexual marriage, means that his speech was signifigant not because of those factors but rather because multiple signifigant sources describe those events.
WP:Notability basically says that not everything is worthy of addition to the encyclopedia, gives criteria for what should be added, and why. Boxer's comments don't meet the standard. Demint's do. Lets look at another article, Geroge W Bush makes no mention of the pretzel incident, a terrible situation that nearly injured the president of the United States... or not, because despite nearly universal mention in national papers of the terrible pretzel born attacker going after our political leaders... it just wasn't really all that noteworthy. The same incident gets 420,000 hits on google and has coverage from multiple signifigant sources... and STILL doesn't meet WP:Notability. If your opinion is correct, then the Pretzel incident should be on his page... and its not. Furhter it was added and removed without protest by multiple editors from different stripes without any serious discussion because it it obviously fails notability. I could provide another dozen flash in the pan incidents that aren't notable and demonstrate that NONE of them are in the relevant articles if you'd like, but I trust that my point is made. (talk) 15:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Which source call's demint's speech 'hate speech'? Rodchen (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

[[4]] Top of the list... there are lots. Feel free to continue raising the bar, however. (talk) 16:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Eliminating page

Resolved: Ron Avery speedily deleted. – ukexpat (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Someone, I don't know who, created a wikipedia entry for me 'Ron Avery" I wish to eliminate this page. How can I do this14:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

The subject of an article doesn't have any right to have the article deleted. If there are untrue statements, you can give evidence on the article's talk page so that they can be corrected or deleted. If the article's subject doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then in that case the article might be deleted. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Ron Avery has been tagged for speedy deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

May 24

Editing a page that has factually incorrect information

Good evening. Can you explain how I can properly edit the Gamblers Anonymous article? The second paragraph of the section "Effectiveness" article contains factually incorrect citations that very well may persuade people not to seek the help that they need. It's very frustrating to me to see something like that written--unsourced--and know that it is untrue. I've been a member of GA for 14 years and feel like I have the kind of credibility that wikipedia seeks in its articles.

Upon inspection of the quoted area of the research, one will notice that the second paragraph is taken completely out of context. When the scholar writes that members who stopped attending meetings were more likely to consider sharing in those meetings to be "meaningless," he is citing another much older piece of scholarly work. In the next paragraph, he goes on to write, "Yet these studies relied upon interviews without accompanying observation of GA meetings, so no detailed account is given of what exactly was dismissed as meaningless. Further, since a solid descriptive base is lacking, we are left with speculative evaluation."

The bad information in the Gamblers Anonymous article is linked to a page that contains no information whatsoever (not to mention no information that supports the false information). I searched Google Scholar and found the full article, then found the passage referenced in the wikipedia article. Here is where it can be found:

As you can plainly see, what's posted in the Gamblers Anonymous article is false. It's like if President Obama were to say "I think the world will end tomorrow, but I'm a psychotic lunatic" and then someone edited his facebook page to indicate that he believed the world would end tomorrow.

The section in question ought to be deleted, there's nothing to replace it with. But when I tried to delete it, a moderator went back and replaced it. How do I cite the deletion of text? It's clearly false.

Thank you.

Twoapplesandanorange (talk) 03:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't find that you deleted anything. What you did was to add discussion about the article to the article itself: the right place for that is in the article's talk page, and I encourage you to voice your concerns there, and discuss the matter with others who are interested in the article.
If the material you object to were unsourced, you would be entitled to remove it from the article (though if this is likely to be controversial, it would be better to discuss this on the talk page first in any case). But if it is sourced, the question is more complicated. If you can reference other reliable sources which contradict the material, then you can at the very least add material from them (with references), and say in the article that there is disagreement among sources; but you may not include any original research or synthesis from these sources unless you can reference that synthesis itself from a published source.
If the consensus is that the current source really is superseded, or is a fringe view, you may be able to reduce its prominence, or even remove it: but you certainly should discuss the matter on the talk page first.
One more important point: if you make any substantial edit to any article, you should include a helpful edit summary (even if that just says "See talk page"), otherwise a bot - or another editor - may mistake your change for vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 17:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


How do I make a new WikiProject? Thomasjamesfoster96 (talk) 06:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)Thomasjamesfoster96

I think that when you created Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Future Orginization Association you should have replaced only the words "ProjectName" and "ProjectDescription", not the whole line of text. I have fixed the page, I hope, so that you can edit it again to describe your proposal. Note that "Organization" is spelt with an "a" as the fourth letter, so you may want to start again anyway.
Given that the organisation doesn't even have a Wikipedia article yet, I don't think a WikiProject is appropriate. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Don't get what you said? Yeah I did notice the wrong spelling Thomasjamesfoster96 (talk) 07:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
When you click the button partway down Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals, you were given an edit window containing this text:
{{subst:WikiProject Proposal|ProjectName|ProjectDescription|~~~~}}
You need to replace "ProjectName" with the proposed project name and "ProjectDescription" with a brief description:
{{subst:WikiProject Proposal|Future Organization Association|Your descriptive text goes here|~~~~}}
When you "Preview" or "Save", you should see a nicely-formatted page with a couple of sub-headings.
BUT, now that I've looked through your other contributions here, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Space Colonization, especially the messages at the top, and consider joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight instead. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

What should I do now?

Hi there, thanks for your help,I should admit that the magazine I mentioned above is an edited magazine and according to you it is enough as a reference. but now the question is this. I WILL edit an article for the mentioned band but I am waiting for some more reference and until then I would like to add the name of the band in some pages such as "2011 in country music" and "Modern country stars 2000-2011". so what should I do to prevent removing my entries in these pages before I creat an article for the band?Country music informer (talk) 07:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Write the article first. Why the rush to get this band's name into the encyclopedia? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:43, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess this is something new in country music and it should be interesting for country music fans that their favorite music is being played in a country that this genre is not known alot. this means country music is becoming more and more known internationally. personally speaking it would be so much intereting for me if I realized that an American band was singing Iranian traditional music in Persian.Besides, wikipedia is a reliable source therefore, I would like to register the name of the band in it.Country music informer (talk) 08:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Information in Wikipedia is only "reliable" if it is referenced to external sources. An entry in a Wikipedia list carries no weight at all unless a reader can click through to an article and find the references that back it up. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

May I help wikipedia by posting comments/ views over an Article?

Sir/ Madam, I am a newbie out here and strongly want to "help people who edit articles". Is there anyway I may help them by a sort of cross- questioning them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shuchita Singh (talkcontribs) 07:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for offering to help. You could ask your questions and make suggestions on the "Talk" page of the articles you are interested in - see the Talk page guidelines. Your comments would then be seen by the editors most interested in those articles. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way; I've left some introductory links on your talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

cite reference - Adrian Wiszniewski

Dear Wikipedia

Although I publish many art catalogues and books each year I am new to editing and placing information on your site. I find the layout and instructions often incomprehensible and extremely slow to untangle. I would be most grateful if you could direct me to a link which simply allows me to cite a reference, rather than having to spend more than a few minutes trying to decode the existing instruction. Could it be possible to send a link to the relevant page which simply says 'type in reference here'?

With thanks,

Andrew Stewart

ps might be an idea to just have a 'send' button at the bottom of this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewgillian (talkcontribs) 08:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Adrian Wiszniewski (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have asked for the page to be deleted as a copyright violation. Please see the message on your talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
(More) I realise that wasn't the answer you were hoping for. For help with formatting references, see Help:Citing sources - but as it says near the beginning of that page, the exact formatting is not critical; "what matters is that you provide enough information to identify the source." But, since you seem to be here to raise the profile of the artists whose works you are selling, you should read the page Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations before going any further. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

May 25

May 26

Inaccurate Photo

I am a member of a band called Crystal Antlers. We have a wikipedia page and the main photo is inaccurate. Certain members have changed and I would like to update the photo. How can i do this?

Awilliamking (talk) 02:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at this page for advice on donating a copyrighted picture to Wikipedia. – ukexpat (talk) 14:22, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Please also read WP:Conflict of interest: updating a photo would be fine, but other changes you might be tempted to make to the article might not be. --ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

May 27

How to re access draft

I created a draft of an article in my user space and saved it but don't know how to get back to it. How do I get back to this draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Texasvodka (talkcontribs) 15:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions I found User:Texasvodka/Deep Eddy Distillery. Is this it? doomgaze (talk) 15:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, how do I edit it from that point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Texasvodka (talkcontribs) 15:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Click the "edit" button at the top of the article. Might be worth reading Wikipedia:Your first article, there's some good general advice there. Once you think it is ready for the main encyclopedia I suggest you submit it to Wikipedia:Requests for feedback. Also remember to sign your posts on pages like this by typing four tildes (~~~~). Cheers, doomgaze (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
To view a list of all your subpages, go to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Texasvodka. — Waterfox ~talk~ 22:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

May 28

Ambiguity of the word 'Revision'?

After looking up the article on D. W. Griffith's film 'Birth of a Nation', I wanted to compare the latest version of the article with the original one, to see how much it had changed. I would have liked two columns, one for each version. I didn't manage to get that. I think it may have been because I didn't get on well with what seemed to me to be an overly-complex use of option buttons, or ambiguity inherent in the word 'revision', which to me could mean either 'the change that was made to the article' or 'how the article looked after the change'. -- (talk) 00:36, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


In the database, for each page, there are several revisions. Each one contains the full text of the page at that moment in time.

The fact that one may differ from the next by a single character, or may have been totally rewritten, is irrelevant.

The software can show the difference between any two revisions by comparing them - but it does that when you click on a diff. The differences are not stored anywhere.

Examples: Let's look at D. W. Griffith - and look at the history.

As of now, the top 3 (most recent) revisions shown in the history looks like this;

(cur | prev) 02:54, 24 May 2011 Western John (talk | contribs) (25,953 bytes) (→External links)
(cur | prev) 19:17, 27 April 2011 (talk) (25,917 bytes) (→Legacy)
(cur | prev) 15:10, 21 April 2011 Dolovis (talk | contribs) (26,039 bytes) (clean up using AWB)

Those are three revisions - three entries in the database, stored on the server. Each includes the page name, the full text of the page, the person who edited it, the date/time, and some other stuff.

If we click on a date/time, we see that specific revision. For example, to see what Dolovis did - clicking on "15:10, 21 April 2011" shows this - that is, the way the page looked directly after the edit by Dolovis (when they clicked 'save'), until it was edited again.

Note the little line saying, (diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)

If we want to see what the user did, we can click on the first (diff) there, to see the difference between the version they saved, and the previous version - that shows this.

So, the Dolovis edited it, and changed "fourteen" to "14".

Now, let's go back to the history. As noted above, on the history, it says "(cur | prev)" at the start of each line - which gives a quick way to compare a specific revision with the current revision, or with a previous one.

If we want to see everything that has changed since the edit by Dolovis, we click "cur" alongside that entry - which (right now, at least) shows this. Several changes, but note it does not show the edit that Dolovis made ("fourteen" -> "14") - it shows the difference between the version Dolovis saved, and the current version.

I hope that helps explain; if it needs clarification, please do ask.

Oh, and P.S. get a user account! It makes it easier to write to you again, in the future (apart from lots of other good stuff). Cheers,  Chzz  ►  06:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Gordon Peak Antarctica

My name is Patrick Gordon. There is a mountain that is named for me in the Brown Range, Antarctica. This in gazetted in the Australian Antarctic Division place names.I was a member of a mapping expedition which used this peak as a marker in 1965-66.The co-ordinates are 68deg south 62 deg east. When I look at the Wikipedia entry for the Brown Range, Gordon peak is listed. I then look at this Gordon Peak and a different Gordon Peak appears on the screen. There are two Gordon Peaks in Antarctica. This has co-ordinates in Queen Maud Land 0f 72 deg 0.32 deg was named for a Robin de Quetterville Gordon, a very eminent antarctic researcher, also an Australian. I am not a computer geek, and after spending 4 hours on the Wikipedia site I have no idea how to attempt to have this corrected. Any suggestions?? Patrick (John) Gordon Kilaben Bay AustraliaΩ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scientifictechnology (talkcontribs) 01:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

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When you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~~~~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. You can also do this by clicking the 'sign' button, pictured to the right.
So, clearly, we need a page on this other Gordon Peak. So what I did, for now, was - I 'red linked' it to Gordon Peak (Brown Range) instead of Gordon Peak - with this edit. I also explained it on Talk:Brown Range.
Now, you - or anyone else - could create an article Gordon Peak (Brown Range). Of course, it would need some reliable sources - if "Australian Antarctic Division place names" is a book or something, then that'd do for one. We'd need a few though, to create the article. See WP:FIRST for info on that.
Once we had two articles, we could add 'hatnotes' to both, to clear up any potential confusion; we'd put e.g. something like this...
{{About|a peak in Queen Maud Land|the peak in the Brown Range|Gordon Peak (Brown Range)}}
...which would display this at the top...
This page is about a peak in Queen Maud Land. For the peak in the Brown Range, see Gordon Peak (Brown Range).
I hope that makes sense. Please feel free to create a new article for this other Gordon Peak - and ask for further help as required. Best,  Chzz  ►  06:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Help with ABC Lists

How do I edit an ABC category list on wikipedia when it does not show its contents on the edit page? This is the first time I have edited a page on wikipedia.

12:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC) Logan — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Pages are added to categories by typing this kind of stuff at the bottom of a page: [[Category:Example]]. This, for example, would add a page to a category called "Example". DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 12:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
...then, after that kind of code is added, the page will be shown in the category list, you don't need to actually edit the category itself. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 12:54, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
See more at Help:Category. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


Some University systems only allow students to register for 12 credits a semester, because they charge students for school quotas, and laboratory, therefore unable to graduate in a four year bachelor's degree program. These Universities charge students the extra three credits they would have been able to take, (up to 15 credits), however it would have been up to the students to pay for the quotas, and labs out of their own pockets, making it very difficult, on poorer students to do so. This hardship depended on the amount of financial help a student received, whether it was from public or private funding. At the same time, students could only take required courses, paying for electives themselves, with a few exceptions, and then are able to graduate in five years, in-lieu of the normal four years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

What do you want to do with this? If it's with an article, you can update it yourself. — Waterfox ~talk~ 01:23, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Try adding this to the super senior article. – SJ + 01:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

May 29

I was looking up my suburb of "Panania" in Sydney, NSW, I realised it was quite of-of date when the local political members were listed and wanted to correct them.

Since the last Federal election in 2010, Panania and areas to the and South are now in thea seat of Hughes, and represented by Craig Kelly LP. At the State level it is in the seat of East Hills, which until the March 2011 election was always represented by a member of the Labor Party. However, with the huge swing against the Labor Party state-wide, the new member is Glenn Brookes, LP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coventrygirl (talkcontribs) 07:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello. If details in the article have changed, you are more than free to edit the page and make corrections. I have posted some further information to your talk page :) Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 11:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

How to replace a picture

how to replace this picture

The coastline of Ambon with USNS Mercy in the foreground

with this picture
The city of Ambon

Ambon, Maluku (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I'm sorry, but since that picture is part of the website, we must assume that they hold the copyright. Wikipedia cannot accept copyright pictures (except for limited exceptions which don't apply here). -- John of Reading (talk) 10:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

how to report an observed inconsistency between two separate entries, where they refer to the same situation

I have noted that, in the entry for Theodore Roosevelt Jr., it is indicated that Gen. Patton had strong feelings against Gen. Allen and Gen. Omar Bradley only reluctantly assumed command from Gen. Allen. However, in the entry for Gen. Allen, it clearly indicates Omar Bradley had the stronger feelings against Allen. The overall picture of the interpersonal relationship is clouded by this inconsistency, and although I do not feel qualified to edit either of these entries, I am unaware how to report this. (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Put notes on the talk pages of both articles. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:23, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

May 30

please help with Biography and CItations and the note at the top of my wiki page on citations

I published a wiki page whcih is a bio of a current/living artist by the name of George Pocheptsov. All went well int eh creaitoins and review process and I have a few wiki people give me great advice and ultiamtely publisched the wiki page. Now some months later, there is a note that says I need to cite my article more and I have done so

I am now not clear at all with what steps I need to take to get that message removed - what do I need to do ???GottaGoOtto (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, I was just about to remove the tag for you when some else beat me to it.--Wintonian (talk) 14:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've removed it for you—for future reference, the problem template just needs to be deleted from the top of the page. In this case, all you had to do was hit edit, delete {{refimproveBLP|date=May 2011}} and then save :) (be sure to only do this when the issues have been addressed). Keep up the good work! Jebus989 14:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I cannot find my search

I created a Wikipedia page under Cynthia Townley, but when I use the search funtion I cannot find it. What did I do wrong?

Please notify me on my talk page.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cynthia Townley (talkcontribs) 20:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

You created the article as a userpage, User:Cynthia Townley. Since it is a userpage it doesn't show up automatically in searches. At this point it doesn't belong as an article. It has no sources and there is no indication that she is notable. You should continue to work on the article where it is at and when you think it is ready ask for feedback from experienced editors. GB fan (talk) 22:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
It actually might be better to move it to User:Cynthia_Townley/Cynthia_Townley as it is violating WP:UP#PROMO where it's at now.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 22:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Since you appear to be writing about yourself, you should also read this advice. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I have moved the draft to User:Cynthia Townley/Cynthia Townley. – ukexpat (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Backwards Writing

Yesterday I was editing an Article at WP and everything I typed was backwards. I use American English (my default) and had not done anything unusual. This is the fourth time this has happened in the past month. Always at Wikipedia. Is there a logical explanation, does this happen to others here, how do I change back to Left to Right writing, and could someone write an article about Backwards Writing? Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 22:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

It might be helpful to know what article you were editing. GB fan (talk) 22:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
A part of the article probably had right-to-left Unicode control characters intended for certain languages. It's impossible to say whether this was actually the case and was appropriate there without knowing what you tried to edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you both for responding so promptly. The Article is Rolling Thunder (organization). What should I do if it happens again? Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I couldn't find a problem in Rolling Thunder (organization) but if there are stray control characters then it depends on the exact place. Exactly where in the article did you write when it became right-to-left? Do you have a normal Western keyboard (which presumably has no key to switch to right-to-left writing)? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I was at Charities to change cooperation to corporation. I used the delete key to delete cooperation. When I typed corporation, it was backwards. My keyboard is a Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop Elite, Model 1011. Please let me know if I may provide any additional information. Thank you. Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 03:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I cannot find anything hinky in the article there and there are no problems when I edit the same version in the history. If it's the fourth time in the last month and you don't edit articles with text in right-to-left languages then it may be some type of periodic glitch on your end. You could try copy-pasting the surrounding text into the Characters box at and click "View names" to see if there are unexpected non-displaying characters. If you open a new edit window in the same place and the problem has disappeared then it's an indicator that the problem was probably on your end. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)