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May 21[edit]

The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down: question about lyrics?[edit]

While the general theme in "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" is fairly clear, if you listen to the lines more closely, they seem to have been thrown together in a pretty haphazard way, just for the sake of the rhymes. Sometimes they don't even make much sense. For example: Who are all the people who were supposedly singing "na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na"? Union soldiers? You wouldn't call them "all the people" then, would you, as if there was no one else left? On the other hand there doesn't seem to be any good reason for either Confederate soldiers or southern civilians to go "na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na"... Of course none of this would be especially shocking in the realm of popular music where logical consistency is hardly ever a priority, but since, contrary to most songs, this one seems to have a more focussed historical topic, I keep wondering if there might be something I might have missed. Contact Basemetal here 14:07, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

See Non-lexical vocables in music. --Jayron32 14:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Interesting article but unfortunately it did not help me figure out who were singing "na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na". But yes, "na" is, here, a nonsense syllable. That much I'd figured out. I didn't think they were singing about sodium. Contact Basemetal here 14:27, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Art is not meant to be a bare reporting of facts. Songs are composed with mind to not just the historical veracity of their content, but also to artistic concerns such as rhythm and meter and Prosody. We joke about someone being able to "sing the phone book", but really, the art of writing and performing a song is much more complex and nuanced than merely reporting facts. --Jayron32 14:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
One possible interpretation is that both the bells and the people, ringing and singing, belong to the other side, the one wallowing in triumph (close to "nyah nyah" perhaps), but that's just one way of hearing it. ---Sluzzelin talk 14:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
(e/c with above post, which says pretty much the same thing) See this article about the song [1], which includes (about halfway down) a few bits of speculation (taken from the Band fan forum) about the meaning of the chorus. Basically, some people think it's the losing side, the South, lamenting their defeat, but some others think it's the victors, the North, singing to celebrate their own victory. You're not going to get a more authoritative reading, unless you ask Robbie Robertson, and probably not even then. --Viennese Waltz 14:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I recommend the link provided above by Viennese Waltz to anyone interested in the lyrics of this song and how much you can read into them if you truly pay attention. Clearly Jayron is right this is a song, not a scholarly paper. Indeed the point of the lyrics of the song was to raise an emotion in the listener through "echoing" the popular (and possibly distorted) memory of a 100 years old (but still fairly significant) historical event, not to pass on factually accurate information, but it does not follow that the facts of history meant nothing to the songwriter. Read the discussion. Thanks again to Viennese Waltz. Contact Basemetal here 22:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe the same "na" as in "na na na na hey hey goodbye". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


May 22[edit]

voice over story/interview[edit]

Hello,

I'm trying to find a video in which some of the biggest names in voice-acting at that time (1980s, if I recall correctly) - ernie anderson, danny dark, I think Gary Owens, and more - are seen in action, as well as discussing the craft.

I last saw this video a few years ago, I believe on yahoo, but it has since been removed from there.

If anyone knows what I'm referring to, and can tell me where it will be possible to watch it, please do...

Thanks so much!!!

Laureus World Sports Awards, Academy members section.[edit]

To whom it may concern, whilst read the Laureus World Sports Awards, Academy members section, I noticed that some member entries were marked with an asterisk. I searched the whole page for an explanation but to no avail. Quite simply, what does the asterisk by the name denote, refer to or indicate?

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Regards, Stewart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.107.233 (talk) 00:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Somebody removed [2] "The Academy was originally 40-strong, and as of early 2011, currently has 47 members. Those marked with an asterisk (*) after their names joined after the Academy was originally founded." I haven't examined whether it's followed but either an explanation should be readded or the asterisks removed. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:29, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Is The Karate Kid a cop?[edit]

I was glancing through a list of Wikipedia edits made by NYPD IPs, and noticed this declaration from June 2009. So I Googled "ralph macchio smithtown". Google didn't respond, so I Binged it. Bing said try Twitter, so I did, and found he joined in June 2009. Tried Google again, Google worked. First stop, Smithtown Acura dealership.

Could mean nothing, of course, if it's just some liar, but if not, why was Ralph Macchio using police computers? InedibleHulk (talk) 04:32, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

2009 was quite a while ago. Could the IP have been reassigned?
However it seems just as likely that someone was vandalizing Wikipedia. Vandals come from all walks of life. (Though remember that NYPD employs a lot more people than just cops.) ApLundell (talk) 04:59, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
True enough. Sort of sad to imagine him as a clerk, though. Not sure how IP assignment works (or worked back then). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
I'm willing to believe there's a different Ralph Macchio who likes to make fun of the name similarities. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:09, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
He (whoever he is) mentioned his karate skills that March. Still insistent about Smithtown. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:13, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Definitely seems to have been an NYPD IP range in the interim (and earlier), so no reassignment. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Now I've come full circle and found it's already been news. I guess this is as resolved as it gets. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:35, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

May 23[edit]

From promotion to relegation via administration[edit]

Dear Wikipedians,

In association football, clubs sometimes go bust after the end of the season and are automatically relegated as a result. Has this ever happened to a team which was, prior to going bust but after the end of the season, going to be promoted? 78.148.229.209 (talk) 09:30, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Southampton F.C. would have been promoted at the end of the 2009/10 season if they hadn't been carrying a 10 point financial penalty from the previous season, and Swindon Town F.C. were denied promotion in 1989/90 - the original penalty was for them to be relegated (to the Third Division) rather than promoted (to the First), but it was commuted to merely staying in the Second Division. This was for rule violations, though, not for insolvency. No club has (to date) avoided promotion due to financial penalty points deducted in the season they should have been promoted. Tevildo (talk) 19:39, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Where could I find English subtitles of the film Apoorva Sagodharargal and Kaaviya Thalaivan?[edit]

Hi, I was searching for the English subtitles of the Tamil films Apoorva Sagodharargal and Kaaviya Thalaivan. I've searched on all popular subtitle websites including subscene.com and subtitles.net, but couldn't find it..! Can anyone help me..?--Joseph 10:46, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Teddy bear film[edit]

I'm looking for the title of a cartoon with a teddy bear waiting to be sold in a display window with other toys (e.g. jack-in-the-box). Finally, when someone wants to buy him, the shop owner refuses. The teddy bear then realizes that the shop owner and the other toys have been his family the whole time. --2.245.201.220 (talk) 20:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

This is The Tangerine Bear (2000), starring Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Tevildo (talk) 20:42, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Simpsons[edit]

Why are the Simpsons yellow? Does Homer Simpson have jaundice or something? --Uenich Montich (talk) 20:31, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I think you mean jaundice? Joseph2302 (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
About halfway down here, in an interview with one of the show's producers: "... because Bart, Lisa and Maggie had no hairlines, and if you made them flesh-colored it would look very strange." Yellow appears to have been an arbitrary choice. Mingmingla (talk) 21:20, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Not quite arbitrary. They would have to be a color that seems normal for both hair and skin, or at least close to normal (I suppose they could have gone with green or purple, but that would have made them harder to relate to). Yellow is close to blonde hair and close to the color of Oriental or Caucasian skin. The other good option would have been brown, but that would have made everyone think they were an African-American family. That wasn't the way they wanted to go with the main characters. StuRat (talk) 21:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Yet, nobody ever thinks they were supposed to be Asian. Perceptions of race have more to do with facial structure than skin colour. They don't have typical African-American features, so even if they'd been given brown skin I doubt many people would have assumed they were African-American. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I think I recall one episode in which Marge refers to "yellow folks like us". It seems an obvious way of putting the characters outside of any racial category. Alansplodge (talk) 22:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
That's just an in-joke, like the "four finger discount" mentioned once and "poor little Maggie never seems to grow at all". They do have races and ethnic groups on The Simpsons. For example, Carl is black and Krusty is Jewish. The Simpsons are Caucasian, or as close to Caucasian as one can get in Springfield. StuRat (talk) 00:21, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
There is another episode where Reverend Lovejoy's daughter calls Bart "yellow trash". Adam Bishop (talk) 08:38, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
If you're going to mostly restrict your palette to primary colors, yellow would seem to make the most sense for skin. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:27, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Ignored details in a fictional universe[edit]

In The Flash, the meta-human criminals are put into a secret prison that only about a half dozen people know about. The show never goes into how these criminals are fed, bathe, where their waste goes or even if they have access to a toilet, etc. Is there a blanket term for these things that are just ignored in a fictional universe? Dismas|(talk) 23:32, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

It'd normally be just a plot hole, but I think there was one episode where someone started to raise the issue, but was interrupted before an answer came up. If I'm correct about that, that would be Lampshade Hanging. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:39, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I hope that Cinema Sins expands to TV series someday, and point this kind of stuff. Because no TV series is without sin. Cambalachero (talk) 23:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I think a bit of The Law of Conservation of Detail with a hat-tip to Nobody Poops. Nanonic (talk) 23:46, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


May 24[edit]

Trivia Question[edit]

In Dawn of the Planet of the Apes the orangutan seen teaching the ape children is named Maurice. Does anyone know if this was a tribute to Maurice Evans who played Dr. Zaius in the original PotA film way back in '68. Our article doesn't mention it and it is probably too trivial to be added to it. Any info you can find will be appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 00:42, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

May 25[edit]

Citizenship and Olympics[edit]

According to Rugby sevens at the 2016 Summer Olympics, if Ireland make the 2016 tournament, rugby players from Northern Ireland would have to play for an all-Ireland team. This leads to two questions, 1) would a Northern Ireland player have to possess an Irish passport to compete (not just be eligible); and 2) are there other examples where athletes are forced to represent a country other than their own? Hack (talk) 04:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm simplifying this a bit, but the Republic of Ireland considers that anyone born on the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen, even if they are from Northern Ireland and are technically UK citizens. See these FAQ from the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service. So to answer question 1, no they would not, and they would not even need an Irish passport to be considered citizens of Ireland in general. Adam Bishop (talk) 10:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I suppose I could have just looked on Wikipedia - we have an article on Irish nationality law. Adam Bishop (talk) 10:14, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if you know but the Ireland national rugby union team (Six Nations, World Cup) also represents the whole island. What do you mean by "forced to represent a country other than their own"? Those teams represent the whole island. Players from both parts of Ireland play for a unified team. It's not like players from Northern Ireland are made to play for the Republic of Ireland or vice versa. As to your more general question I think there were similar cases. Start with Unified Team at the Olympics and Korean Unification Flag and go from there. Contact Basemetal here 12:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
When I say forced, I meant if they wanted to play Olympic rugby, they'd have to play for a country that they may not necessarily identify with. While the All-Ireland concept is in place for a handful of sports, it's not been at this sort of level. Hack (talk) 12:58, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
How about the Rugby World Cup? That's the very highest level of the sport, and Ireland play in that as an all-island team. DuncanHill (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand the word 'forced' in this. You can only play Olympic Rugby if you have qualified to do so. These qualification stages are arranged by the sport's International Federation (World Rugby in this case). You can't qualify for a country not recognised by the IF and once qualification begins, you generally can't change your sporting nationality. I'm not aware of, and can't find any instances of, anyone who's qualified for the Olympic games (through qualification stages arranged by a particular sports' governing body or IOC recognised International Federation) being forced to change their sporting nationality to another (except due to not meeting eligibilty - see Grannygate). Even after the dissolution of the USSR, the athletes and sportspersons could choose (within reason) who to represent in future games. A handful of International Federations (FIFA for one) have rules whereby your sporting nationality is set once you are selected for a particular country, you can't change it afterwards whilst some sports let you change however much you like (In Equestrian, you just fill out a form). Those who have already qualified but their countries are no longer recognised by the IOC, or whose NOC have been sanctioned for whatever reason, can apply to compete as Independent Olympians. If you live in ROI or NI and are good enough to play Rugby at a national or Olympic level you would play for the Ireland national rugby union team which represents both countries unless you changed your sporting nationality (via the grandfather rule or similar). This is because there is only one governing body on the whole island and they have chosen to have one representative team. Nanonic (talk) 13:58, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I've found the relevant WR regulation. The usual, relatively straightforward, eligibility rules are much, much more complicated for Olympic-related sevens matches.[3] Hack (talk) 15:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Formula 1[edit]

In the Jenson Button article, it states he has had 274 races with 271 starts. How is this possible. Widneymanor (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Widneymanor You might want to post this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One as the members of that project might have a better understanding of how the items in the infobox are listed. MarnetteD|Talk 17:04, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
It means he is recorded as DNS (did not start) for three races (all listed in that article - search it for DNS). That means he was one of his team's nominated drives for that race weekend, but was unable to start the race due to mechanical failure or for medical reasons. -- Finlay McWalterTalk 17:11, 25 May 2015 (UT
Thanks for the quick answer Finlay McWalter! Thank goodness you didn't get pulled into the pits for a tire change while you were leading :-) MarnetteD|Talk 17:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Here's the three reasons:
-- Finlay McWalterTalk 17:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for such speedy responses. Widneymanor (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

May 26[edit]