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July 16[edit]

Bond girls[edit]

Have there been any Bond girls who rejected James Bond's sexual advances completely? I don't mean characters like Kissy Suzuki, Anya Amasova or Wai Lin, who kept their distance during the mission but got in bed with him afterward, but someone who rebuffed him altogether, mission or no mission. (Also, I don't include Miss Moneypenny, with whom he never really tried to go all the way, or M, who's too old for that in any case.) 24.5.122.13 (talk) 08:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I think more than a few women over 70 are still sexually active. There's no reason to think that M didn't just sleep when in bed with her husband. Dismas|(talk) 09:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
You'd think Bond would have run into a lesbian or two, over the years, but maybe he's just so charming he can make them switch teams. StuRat (talk) 23:54, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
He did. See Pussy Galore. --Jayron32 23:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm thinking more along the lines of him running into a woman who's very physically attractive, but completely unavailable (happily married/otherwise with someone else/physically unable to have sex/under a vow of chastity/just plain unattracted to him/etc.) Has this ever happened in any books or movies about James Bond? 24.5.122.13 (talk) 06:17, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Miss Moneypenny complained at least once that "you never do anything with me," suggesting that the aloofness there is mostly on 007's side. —Tamfang (talk) 22:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I remember that at the end of the novel Moonraker (not the film), Bond makes an advance on a beautiful woman he met during his mission, and she says that she's already married and thus not interested. Bond just shrugs this off and walks away without her. JIP | Talk 07:33, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Not Gala Brand, is it? 24.5.122.13 (talk) 07:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that should be who I was thinking about. JIP | Talk 08:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
She's not married - she's getting married "tomorrow afternoon". ( Bond has spent the novel lusting after her, and though he outwardly "shrugs it off", the narrator makes it clear Bond is actually quite upset... )
90.244.131.120 (talk) 10:35, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
In any case, I think it meets the OP's criterion, in that Bond displayed interest in her but she rebuffed him altogether. JIP | Talk 10:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Mid 1990's large format children's software magazine[edit]

While answering Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing#Trying_to_find_an_old_pc_program_from_1995.2F1998 I remembered a magazine I received as a child. It was printed in a large format - the pages may have been 11x17, and I remember it being reasonably thick. It was about children's computer software, although I honestly don't remember much of the content of the actual magazine. More important than the magazine were the CDs that shipeed with it. They had dozens of demos and game descriptions on each disc, in a small virtual environment you could explore. Can anyone help me figure out what this magazine was called? Katie R (talk) 16:29, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I think we had a lot of those mags in the UK in the 90's, I remember sometimes getting home to discover the disc wasn't there! How devastating was that? I'll have a search for them but you're from the US judging by the '11x17'reference? There was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Kidsoft off the bat. --87.113.181.226 (talk) 18:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Have you had a look through this list as well? Might take some time as it's a list rather than an answer to your question. --87.113.181.226 (talk) 18:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Club Kidsoft was it. Thanks! Katie R (talk) 19:11, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
The next step is to find a list of the software that came with them. There were a lot of great games that would be good for my kids, and would bring back a lot of memories for me. I'll start looking for some when I get home from work, but if anyone wants to give me a head start I would appreciate it. :-) References with current children's software would be great as well - it just doesn't seem like there are that many high-quality options available compared to the huge amount of software I remember seeing back then. Maybe it's all hiding in app stores now... Katie R (talk) 19:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Jokes for an emergency/awkward situation[edit]

I cracked a joke about my boss to some colleagues today (nothing nasty, he'd just had a late night at his sister's birthday party) and it went down a treat, lots of amusement was had my all until my boss walked in the room. Unfortunately everyone then went quiet straight away and of course my boss asked what the joke was - so some idiot mentioned that they were laughing at MY joke. Having a slight problem with being the centre of attention and not being very quick of mind I could literally only think of 'why did the chicken cross the road'! Mr Boss was not ROFL, no sense of humor I guess... Does anybody have suggestions or links that have REALLY basic, easy to remember jokes that are still funny for people like me to use in an emergency situation? Thanks --87.113.181.226 (talk) 17:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

You might try "What did Buddha say to the hot dog vendor? Make me one with everything." It's mildly clever, if cliched, and it probably won't offend anyone. OldTimeNESter (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Ha! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:38, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
I'd have gone with the funny one about the boss. Still fresh in your head, and you know it works. If it was nothing nasty, it may have gone over better than making him think you're unfunny and/or lying.
But here's 50 quick ones off the top of the Google results. At least one of them will fare better than the chicken. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:37, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
If you want a chicken joke for all occasions (and believe me, I've tried this out on all occasions over a span of 50 years, and it always gets the same result), here goes:
  • Q. What's the difference between a chicken?
  • Here you need to deal with objections such as "between a chicken and what?". Never answer this question. Just repeat the opening line, ad nauseam if necessary. When they're ready to hear the answer:
  • A. One of its legs is both the same.
  • Now comes that "result" I mentioned above: a group of perplexed faces, belonging to people who now think they're conversing with an idiot. Little do they realise, that's the whole point ... -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Just for your multicultural edification, Jack (and that of anyone else who may be interested), the U.S. equivalent is "What's the difference between a duck?" At least, that's what I'm assuming is true, because it's the version I recall from my own youth and the version known to Trovatore (who has yet to hear the Anvil Chorus, apparently). Don't Aussies know that ducks are funnier than chickens? Deor (talk) 22:13, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm ... "There's nobody here but us ducks" - just doesn't do it for me, I'm afraid. Australia has been called The Lucky Country, but we're not much of a Ducky Country, really. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC) PS. Oh, I forget myself. Michael Leunig has had a long, long love affair with ducks. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 06:18, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
That "nobody here" joke originally had racial connotations. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:12, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
So did yo mamma. Seriously. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:00, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
Not the sort of jokes you'd tell in (all) polite company (I am not let don't get out much for a reason), but dead baby jokes would've been a great way to bring everyone down with you. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Anything G-rated will do. Groucho: "I've had a wonderful [day/evening/whatever]. But this wasn't it." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:12, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Could give No soap radio a try. Speaking of ducks. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:31, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
"I've just come back from a once-in-a-lifetime holiday. Tell you what, never again." --Viennese Waltz 08:21, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

July 17[edit]

Computer games[edit]

What computer games are there (if any) that teach the principles of economics? 24.5.122.13 (talk) 06:19, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Check out Category:Business simulation games. Railroad Tycoon, for example. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Fun fact: the classic board game Monopoly_(game)#Early_history"Monopoly" was originally intended to teach the negative impact of concentrating ownership of properties. I bring this up because there are many economic principles at play in the game, and there are of course several computer versions. SemanticMantis (talk) 17:29, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I fixed your link. StuRat (talk) 17:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
What negative impact? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:52, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Bankruptcy for the other players. All good if you win. In the Super Nintendo version, losers garbage-pick fishbones. It's terrible! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:16, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
Bankrupting everyone else is the object of the game. Hence the term "Monopoly". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:14, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, however the original designer of Monopoly intended all involved to feel bad about that, and thus demonstrate how real-life monopolistic behavior was bad for society. Parker Brothers cleaned up the game a tad and made it more fun. For the original version, see The Landlord's Game, to wit, "She based the game on the economic principles of Georgism, a system proposed by Henry George, with the object of demonstrating how rents enrich property owners and impoverish tenants. She knew that some people could find it hard to understand why this happened and what might be done about it, and she thought that if Georgist ideas were put into the concrete form of a game, they might be easier to demonstrate. Magie also hoped that when played by children the game would provoke their natural suspicion of unfairness, and that they might carry this awareness into adulthood." --Jayron32 21:40, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
That might have been their hope, but just as likely is that it would get each kid to thinking that they need to be the one to become the monopolist. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:56, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
And when there's only one kid left, his money stops being worth anything. All he can do is gloat and quit himself. It's the point, but it's tragic. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:04, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
From the music video for "Weapon": When you're at the top there's nowhere left to go but down. That's been said in a million country songs. It's true. As true for nations as it is for their citizens. For when you are at the top you aspire to attain that which cannot be attained. And in doing so achieve the ruin of all that you have built. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:10, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
It's been a long time, but I'm fairly certain there's a provision for getting back into the game once you're bankrupt. That's a workaround for the problem of one guy having everything. In fact, the one guy doesn't have everything. The bank still has a lot of money. This is closer to real life. I see this ad every evening during the local news, about how bankruptcy can be "the best thing that ever happened to you." I don't necessarily buy into that theory, but it echoes the Monopoly game. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
In the board game, you can certainly carry on passing Go, paying luxury tax and landing on Free Parking till you wheelbarrow into St. James, if for some reason you hadn't yet. And if setting up hotels there gets boring (it should), of course you can let a friend rejoin (if they haven't gone home to enjoy bankruptcy long ago). But not in the SNES version, and likely not in many other computer versions. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
In case anyone's wondering, computers are better than paper for Monopoly because everything is automatic. Just like real life. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:57, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
And since the Monopoly board is based on Atlantic City, you could have a timer, simulating the passage of years, after which the hotels / casinos go bankrupt and the monopolist has to give everything back to the bank, and the whole thing starts over. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I made money on Donald Cerrone in Atlantic City last night. But my bank doesn't know. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:59, July 17, 2014 (UTC)


July 18[edit]

Name of movie[edit]

I'm trying to remember the name of a movie. If I remember the correctly, it was an international film, although it could have been an English one. But basically it follows a plot where a man met the love of his life but for some reason went their separate ways, I remember one got in a taxi. The man goes home vue Later, the man tries to find the woman again. He finds her in a town and I remember the scene where he walks round the town, asking about her, and people join his walk around the town. Eventually him and a group of people arrive at a restaurant where she is working as a waitress and he proposes there in front of everyone. Can anyone think what movie this is? This plots probably quite common so it might be a difficult question. I think it was in French but like I sAid I can't remember. 94.10.246.236 (talk) 00:00, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the movie is It Could Happen to You (1994), with Nicholas Cage and Bridget Fonda. --Wintereu (talk) 00:20, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
The OP did not say "lottery". Therefore the film in question cannot be It Could Happen to You. —Nelson Ricardo (talk) 03:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
And he doesn't find her working as a waitress, she's a waitress at the beginning. —Tamfang (talk) 22:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Much of the OPs description (especially the latter part) fits the Jamie and Aurélia segments of the film Love Actually. Of course, there are several other stories being told in this film and the "love of his life" wording is used a couple times in the Daniel, Sam, Joanna and Carol storyline. If this isn't it hopefully another editor will find the right film. MarnetteD|Talk 04:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
This also fits with the original poster's confusion about language, as the movie is British and mostly takes place in London, but Jamie and Aurélia meet in France (where they have no common language) and the restaurant scene is in Portugal. While apart they have each been learning the other's language ("just in cases", as she explains): he proposes in bad Portuguese (subtitled as bad English), looking up at her from the ground floor, and she accepts, looking down over a railing from an upper floor, in bad English: "Thank you, that will be nice. Yes, is being my answer." That all sound familiar? --50.100.189.160 (talk) 07:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
You are correct except for one thing. The restaurant scene takes place in Marseilles. After Jamie walks out on his relations in London - "I hate Uncle Jamie" :-) the next time we see him he is walking out of the Marseilles airport. Aurélia has been cleaning Jamie's home outside of town and nothing in the film indicates that she moved back to Portugal. Nor do we see Jamie flying from France to Portugal. The fact that there is an enclave of Portuguese people in Marseilles is perfectly in keeping with life in the real world. No worries about your description though - this is a common mistake about this section of the film. I have even won a couple dinner bets from friends about this over the years. Yum Yum. MarnetteD|Talk 14:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction and for not betting with me. --50.100.189.160 (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Joke in a movie (watermelon stereotype)[edit]

There was a movie, two years ago or so. In that movie an investigating white guy (police officer or private detective) throws stuff on a black guy, he wants informations from. When he's throwing watermelons, the black says "wow wow, watermelon? that's racist". Does anyone know the title? --92.214.138.172 (talk) 02:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Possibly The Heat (film), see the quotes on this page. Nanonic (talk) 06:49, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it is. --92.214.138.172 (talk) 13:14, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

July 19[edit]

Relatives[edit]

Are the actor Frankie Faison and former pro football player/actor Earl Faison related? They originate from the same town in Virginia and are pretty close in age.71.72.245.218 (talk) 06:01, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Also, I have wondered about whether Frankie Faison is related to Donald Faison from 'Scrubs', even though he comes from New York, not Newport News like Frankie.!Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 07:23, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Faison is a common enough name (I have unrelated friends that have that last name) so it would not be unusual for multiple famous people to have it and not be related. --Jayron32 19:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

And which others were there ?[edit]

Last night I watched the Movie 'Next' ( 2007 ) , with Nicholas Cage for the second time, and as it ended, I noticed the credits rolled the opposite way to how they normally do so at the end of a feature film. Whereas of course TV Shows and Movies flash names on a screen, take them off and add a batch of new names, Cinema releases tend to roll credits, where the names in order go upwards, and the first names read disappear at the top of the screen and the newer ones come from below. Now with this Movie, it was the other way round - probably as a gimmick due to it being about a man who could see the future, so as he saw first what happens later, things occur to him in a kind of backwards order. Now I had previously seen this film at least four years earlier and had forgotten about that, although I have in the time since that first viewing seen other unusual ways of showing the credits. Now recently I did see another film that did the same as 'Next', it was reasonably recent, and I saw it in just the past couple of months, but cannot recall it. Can anyone else recall what it was, and whether there are other movies in which the credits roll backwards or are done in a more unusual way, such as, for the British show 'Some Mothers do 'ave 'em', starring Michael Crawford, its closing credits roll as if on a horizontal tape, from right to left. Now as I think about it, because Arabic and Hebrew are written from right to left, would this also affect the way they show credits in movies made in their languages ? As for the other movie I did see recently that did roll its credits the other way as 'Next' did, I cannot remember anything about it, except I believe it was most likely made in the past 15 years, but I cannot even be sure of that. Thanks. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 07:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

TVTropes says Repo Man and Se7en had their ending credits scroll down. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:43, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
And the sideways scrolling credits aren't unique to that one TV program, I've seen other British TV shows that do that, too, usually down in the footer area, so they can show the rest of the show above it without words scrolling over it. I think Posh Nosh is another example. I've also seen normal vertical scrolling done with a split screen, for the same reason. Then there are those shows that try to match the actor's names with their picture, either still or moving. Counterweight (The Outer Limits) was one such example. I wish they would all do this, as I frequently can't match the actor's name with the face otherwise (when they list the character's name along with the actor's name, that might help, but I don't always recall the character's name). StuRat (talk) 12:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, I have seen both Repo Man and Se7en, and cannot remember that, but only because it has been a while since, so one or either of those might well have been the one, unless there is another. I liked Se7en, but Repo Man was a disappointment - a kind of confused mish mash of mixed up nonsense and a real waste of a talented actor like Harry Dean Stanton. It would be really good if they always showed faces of actors with their names, so we no longer have that idea of the less known actors not getting the recognition they deserve. 'Me, Myself and Irene' did a great job of making an effort to show every performer, including all the extras, and a show like British sitcom It Ain't Half Hot Mum (1974–81). always showed most of the actors with their faces and name in the opening credits. What I cannot abide are those closing credits where the names just flash past, either in rolling or on screen then off then the next group of names on screen and so on, like they normally do in TV Shows. What is the point if You cannot read the names ? A lot of people spend a good deal of effort making these shows for the producers, so let them be properly recognised. Thank You both for Your comments, and if anyone else can remember other movies that have strange credits or other such things, feel free. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 14:25, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

THX 1138 has credits at the front of the film which go down instead of up. Lucas (on the DVD commentary I think) said he did this because the whole film takes place underground and he wanted to give a feeling of descending during the credits. Staecker (talk) 23:21, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
And Lucas' Star Wars series have no opening credits at all, except for the studios' logos, the film title, and the scrolling story intro. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:44, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Which is why he shot the film in the UK and Tunisia, to avoid U.S. film industry rules regarding credits. IIRC, he was ejected from the Directors Guild of America for doing so... --Jayron32 19:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Huh? Many mainstream Hollywood films have no opening credits. Apocalypse Now, for example. See cold open. --Viennese Waltz 08:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

The original poster also asked about other forms of unusual credits. Some movies have used elaborate humorous animated credit sequences: the one in The Pink Panther (1963) became so well known that it was reprised in the sequels and eventually spawned an animated TV show. Other examples from around the same time include Around the World in 80 Days (1956) and Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines (1965). Note that this was before the era when every minor cast member and employee was credited; these credits would correspond only to the opening credits on most movies. Another interesting credit treatment was Sneakers (1992), where the opening credits appear as anagrams and then their solutions, starting with A Turnip Cures Elvis, which of course solves to one of the names of this company. Another unusual case was Apocalypse Now, where the original 70 mm release version had no onscreen credits at all; they were handed out to moviegoers on paper, like at a play. (The only superimposed text in the whole movie is a one-line copyright notice; the title appears only as graffiti visible in the final part of the movie.)

A lesser form of unusual credit is that some movies move what is usually the opening credit sequence (main cast, producers, writers, etc.)—and sometimes also the title—to the end, immediately before the usual closing credits (full cast, minor crew members, typically a crawl). Also, some movies interpolate jokes and things into the closing credit sequence. As a minor example, in Fargo one actor's name was replaced by a variation on the symbol that the singer Prince used for a time as his name. --50.100.189.160 (talk) 04:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

The former, the Star Wars series as I mentioned above; and 2001: A Space Odyssey, whose only opening credits were the studio logo, the film title, and Kubrick's name several times. The latter, the Airplane and Naked Gun movies had a few joke credits, such as: Best Boy - [whoever]; Worst Boy - Adolf Hitler. And Warren Spahn - "He's not in the film, but he's still our all-time favorite left-hand pitcher." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


Yes indeed, and thank You all very Much. I remember the Prince symbol in Fargo, and do recall those joke credits from certain films. In addition, as I have just remembered, at the start of Man on the Moon with Jim Carrey portraying the late Andy Kaufman, the closing credits begin near the front as a joke on " Andy's " part, as if the Movie was only a minute long, but I cannot recall if these same credits come in again at the end - I don't think they do, but somewhere in the film they do run the names of the main stars. I have found that movie amusing also in the sense that Danny de Vito portrays George Shapiro, Mr. Kaufman's manager, but of course Mr. de Vito was himself in Taxi with Kaufman, but is not shown in the recreations of Taxi's scenes or set. I did see Apocalypse Now recently, with a then relatively little known ( that is, post American Grafitti but pre Star Wars), Harrison Ford at the beginning, and I believe I can recall the credits as this version of the film seemed to have been digitally remastered and credits showing this were shown at the end. I was surprised also to see " Larry " Laurence Fishburne, as he must has been very young, since principal photography was in 1976, and delayed due to a storm, and Martin Sheen's heart attack, finishing around mid '77, but Fishburne was born in 1961 in Augusta, so he had to be under 16 years old by that time, if anyone has any comments on that. This idea of variety in screen credits is excellent, because we do not want to see just the same old thing all the time - sure, it is good to have a bit of order so one knows where one stands, and the credits show who is who and who did what, but the odd joke here might get us to stay behind and be more likely to watch them.

Another thing - how often is there and added scene, either during the credits, involving action or bloopers, or right at the end, and people might miss one little thing if they leave the Cinema before they are done. Also, since the movies Breakdown , Pleasantville, The Negotiator and Hidden Agenda are dedicated to the memory of the brilliant but I think underrated J.T. Walsh, since he died February 27, 1998, aged 54, before three of them were released, what percentage of movies have dedications such as that ? Interestingly, Breakdown was released about nine months before Mr. Walsh died, but the first time I saw it on Television, the dedication was there, but this may be because they had time to add this to the film once it went to video, but I am certain the dedication is there. I know that Shawshank Redemption is dedicated to one Allen Greene, if I recall rightly, and there are others, but I get the impression that most movies do not have dedications, so it would be interesting to work that out. Thanks all again. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 07:58, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

It would be extraordinarily challenging to figure what "percentage" of films have had dedications, although it's possible someone has done that work. Have you googled the subject? Part of that tedious work would be to figure out which major players or crew died during production. One that comes to mind is British cinematographer Geoffrey Unsworth, who died during post-production of 1978's Superman film. At the other end of the spectrum, there's Plan Nine from Outer Space, which I don't think actually had a dedication to Bela Lugosi, but it did have a poorly-chosen double in a number of scenes. As Leonard Maltin's guidebook once said, "Lugosi died during production, and it shows." In the case of the Chris Reeve Superman films, the absence of Unsworth was evident in the inferior production values of the sequels. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:33, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Game of Death was another terrible one in the same vein. Don't rememeber if there was any explicit dedication to Bruce Lee, but using footage of his actual corpse was something like a tribute. The Crow was a lot more straightforward about Brandon. Those sequels sucked, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:05, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

No, I have not Googled that. I might simply try noting each movie and making a list, just to see if some sort of proportion emerges. Thanks. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 02:18, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

  • The IMDB has a lot of items about unusual credits in movies, though many of them are about specific credits rather than unusual ways of presenting the credits. The term they use is "crazy credits" and you will find it as a link on many pages about specific movies. But instead of accessing it that way, you can also download and browse the entire set of "crazy credits" entries in gzipped plain text form (your web browser may or may not expand the gzipping to access it as plain text for you). Here is the URL for the download. Currently the file is about 1 megabyte gzipped, 3 megabytes as text and contains 18,576 entries (marked by "" at the start of a line) under 12,931 different titles (marked by "" at the start of a line). This includes TV or video productions as well as movies; the first 3,705 titles shown have double quotes around them, which means that those entries are for TV series or TV episodes. Most of the remaining 9,226 titles will be movies, except where you see a code like (TV) for TV-movie, (V) for direct-to-video release, (VG) for video game. The word "dedicated" appears in 385 items; I didn't search for any further specifics. Have fun. --50.100.189.160 (talk) 05:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

That is excellent, and I shall have a good look at that. It is amazing how one question can lead to answers to a lot of other ones. This shows, that although many Movies are made, and they do generally follow a basic formula, that each is individual, and we can find many different ways of catergorising them. Thank You. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 06:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Does Queen Elizabeth watch Game of Thrones[edit]

There were a lot of news stories about the Queen visiting the Game of Thrones set in Belfast a couple months ago. But I couldn't find anything in the articles about whether she actually watches this dark, ultraviolent show. I would never let my grandma watch such a violent show. If she doesn't watch GoT, what shows does she watch?--24.228.94.244 (talk) 22:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

She's led a country through several wars, and was in the military in WW2. She's not just a great-grandmother. But it did look as though the people on set were having to contextualise much of what was shown, so I'm guessing she doesn't watch GoT. Like her mother and her husband, the Queen is very much into horses, so I dare say she watches racing shows like The Morning Line (is that the right title), and others - mostly on Channel 4. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:30, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
See What are the Queen's favourite TV shows? for some idle speculation by the Radio Times. Alansplodge (talk) 01:03, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
It's well known that she edits Wikipedia in any spare moments she gets, so she would never have time to watch TV. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 01:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • That explains why hers is a featured article! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:33, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't know about her, but Elizabeth of York lived Game of Thrones. And let's not forget how common royal ghosts are in England. If any walls could talk, the Queen's likely heard the stories. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, Game of Thrones is fine, but I find the real thing more fascinating, especially The White Queen, where Elizabeth of York, our Elizabeth's ancestor, features - you couldn't make half of that stuff up they really got up to - although I suspect the makers of most historical dramas still do, even though I do not think they need to. I understand Her Majesty does watch Coronation Street, although it is not to my taste. I think we need more real historical drama, and sure the altered stuff is fine, but it would be good if someone could come up with something as historically accurate as possible, as I recall with amusement the glaring impossibilities of Braveheart, as entertaining as it was. Having read certain works of history, a lot of it needs no added spice. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 08:04, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

To be fair, a lot of the history you find in old books (or scrolls) has already been spiced before Hollywood and hobbyists find it. Today, there's no way a baby prince (I don't even have to say which) can get away from scrutiny. But if he was born 500 years ago, scaled like a lizard, blind, with the stub of a tail and small leather wings like the wings of a bat, who would know? And who would dare to tell? InedibleHulk (talk) 08:49, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
Considering GoT is basically the War of the Roses[1] with a few episodes from other parts of European history thrown in (I.E. Robert Baratheon as a Henry VIII type character), I'm sure the Queen is familiar with the history thereof. --Jayron32 19:33, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if that Cracked video (didn't watch) mentions the Black Dinner connection. Probably, but there it is, just in case. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:31, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
It actually does, IIRC. I just watched it a few days ago... --Jayron32 21:07, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
And the finger that stirs the pot? I guess I could just enable Javascript and watch the link, eh? Cracked is cool. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:30, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
Nope, no Thomas Cromwell. To sum it up for those who didn't watch, Tyrion is Richard III, Daenerys is Henry VII and Cersei is Margaret of Anjou. Sort of. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:46, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
And dragons are basically everywhere in literature, all the time. The Lord of Light is from Lord of Light, but the whole religion is even simpler Manichaeism. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:53, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is fair enough about History having been spiced up - there are certainly allegations that Henry VII altered History to suit his version of events, since there is documentary evidence he predated his Reign to August 21, 1485, one day before the Battle of Bosworth, but whether he or his relative Richard III killed the Princes in the Tower is not proven either way. One can argue validly for each scenario. It is this idea of Henry Tudor being a liar that forms the basis for the first ( very spiced up ) series of Blackadder. But then which historians do we trust - those who report the facts in what may be called a very dry, lifeless manner, or those who take the same facts, and it is just the way they are described that spices them up, rather than adding any scandalous or exciting tidbits ? When mentioning before having read History, I was referring specifically to the Biography of Mary Queen of Scots by Antonia Fraser ( 1967 ), although I have looked at much more than that. In there David Rizzio is butchered before pregnant Mary's eyes, and round the same time she makes a night time escape on horseback - almost like something out of the later set Lorna Doone, or some such thing. Of course in this work, the writer does not believe Mary had anything to do with the death of Darnley at Kirk O' Field, so then, what counts as History, the truth, or our interpretation of it ? Consider George Orwell's 1984, where Winston Smith and his comrades at the Ministry of Truth altered History every day, and once the evidence that it was any different was gone, who could say ? In the end though, spiced up or not, I still contend that History can be as intriguing as any made up thing, and sure, we want it to be perfectly true, but I guess, we can only accept as History what the evidence, whatever that is, tells us. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 02:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Aye. A lie we then agree to tell ourselves, over and over till we forget that it's a lie. Only the ladder is real!
I might check out this Antonia Fraser. Thanks for the tip. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:19, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
How about that? She went to Dragon School. So she's technically a Lady and an Old Dragon. The last (or only) of her kind, at least by Wikipedia's list. Apparently she and Caroline Kennedy of Camelot were at least somewhat fireproof when the IRA tried to blow them up in 1975. That's rather insane. I think I can trust her. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:41, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

A side note, but I find the concept of letting your grandma watch something bizarre. I think she's old enough to make her own decisions, and know what she likes. Katie R (talk) 17:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

My mom knew she liked the show, but the entire Internet seems Greek to her. So I'd download them, and drop off a season at a time. I made a point of making her wait at least a week between seasons. Gotta let it sink in a bit, and have some anticipation grow. She decided I was wrong, but it didn't matter. She was powerless. I imagine other mothers and (great) grandmothers are in the same boat, and/or completely tuned out from pop culture. These ones need to be shown (or not). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:26, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, I guess some ( hopefully not all ) of History could be seen as a lie that perpetuates until it seems true, like the old fisherman who caught a tiddler, and over the course of decades it turned it Jaws himself, and the fisherman even begins to believe it, but this is not always good enough for me. I am always holding out for someone to come up with the truth, and indeed, even now the experts are telling us all new things and saying the Dark Ages were not so dark, and it might just be a comparative term, and even in the realm of other subjects, ( wrongfully, I believe ), downgrading Pluto to not being a planet when they might have rapped us over the knuckles before if we forget it in our list of nine. Now they also say Sharks do not have to keep moving, when previously they believed they had to, lest they die - so also it is not always that they are lying, although some certainly are, but that they did not know. So if I cannot find the truth in what is written already, I might also be minded to check it out myself.

One thing about Antonia Fraser is that she made the story of the Queen seem very fairytale exciting, but no less true, compared to one like Richard John Green, who just gave the facts. This I am not criticising, as long as the facts are true. I should come to a point, and this is that, we have History recorded for us, this is it, true or not, it is all we have, it reminds me of Martin Luther saying " Here I stand - I can do no other ", and so, if I have this version of History given to me, it is all I have, at least until I can find the evidence that overturns it, just as the Lady did who led the expedition to dig poor King Richard the Third out of the carpark, and thus alter to some extent our perception of him. As for Richard, for over twenty five years I have neither called him hero nor villain, as yes, he usurped the throne, but there is no evidence he murdered his own nepehews, and sure, no evidence he didn't, but in modern courtroom trials we at least have the presumption of innocence.

The moral to this then, is we might have to accept the official version of History, but never stop trying to overturn what we believe to be the actual truth if this History is flawed. One major example for me is the JFK Assassination - now I could go on for ages about this, but suffice to say, the overwhelming evidence from many different sources points to a conspiracy, and a gunman on the grassy knoll. Oswald was involved, to what extent I do not know, but it irks me that in official accounts and questions on some quiz shows he is considered the lone assassin, and no leeway is given, and this is indeed the false History that keeps getting repeated til one believes it, unless those determined people keep up their investigations and such to change the official story. I have no doubt a lot of History can be and is faked, but the one thing is trying to work out what is left that is at least genuine.Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 13:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I know one thing for sure: If you ever find the truth and hope to preserve it in writing, many will turn a blind eye if you don't use paragraphs. I mean that in a helpful way. I'd like to read your book one day. There's a lot of truth buried in that block of text already.
Cold, hard facts are only part of the truth. When a writer adds a certain tone to the tale (fairytale or otherwise), she shapes the lens you see through. People and places stay vaguely familiar, but become brighter, darker, wider, taller, whatever. Former fictional vampire Billy Corgan once sung "My reflection, dirty mirror, there's no connection to myself." A few other relevant lyrics there, and a certain tone to the guitars that's never quite replicated in his live shows. I recommend listening, even if you've heard the exact recording before.
One eternal truth is that keeping your eyes and ears open will find you new clues every day. Another is that many of those clues won't be clues at all. So it stands to reason that you should learn to easily identify red herrings before attempting to learn anything new. And never pretend to already know what you're looking to find. Anyone can find that. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:52, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 13:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

July 20[edit]

Law & Order Season 6 Episode 15: Encore[edit]

bhangra songs featuring reggae artists[edit]

How many bhangra songs have featured reggae artists like ishq naag by RDB featuring Elephant Man?

Elephant Man discography lists the songs he has guested on. --Jayron32 19:29, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

pawnography[edit]

What does the pawnshop stand to gain by giving valuable items to the game show? Jim

Marketing (for the pawn shop and show itself) and advertising revenue (from advertisers who show commercials during the show). You can know that they aren't losing money, so the assumption you should make is "I know they are making money on this. What are they making money on". The average price of a 30 second ad is $122,734 as of 2013 [2]. Since there are 8 minutes of ads per 30 minute TV show, that gives about 2 million dollars of advertising revenue per show. Not bad for putting up $20-30,000 worth of antiques for contestants to win, which, from the shows I have seen, more than half of which don't get won. Even if every show featured every prize won, that would be a 100x return on investment. Not to frigging bad, if you ask me... --Jayron32 19:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

July 21[edit]

Sondra Locke article[edit]

In the first line you state that it is unsure about when she was born. But, later in the early life portion it states that she graduated in 1962. So, that would make here year of birth 1944. How accurate is the information of her graduation?— Preceding unsigned comment added by ElmerFudd63 (talkcontribs)

The article says they're a dispute, not that it's unsure, and lists plenty of evidence that it's 1944. Some women lie about their age. Wikipedia gives due weight to mainstream publications, so the fact that most sources give the wrong date is mentioned. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, what makes you think that just because she graduated in 1962, she must have been born in 1944? People graduate at different ages not just 18. --Viennese Waltz 08:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Assuming her high school graduation year was in fact 1962, a birth year of 1947 seems kind of unlikely - though not impossible. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Hypothetical Synopsis of Law & Order episode calledEncore[edit]

overweight,long-haired, leaping, gnome[edit]

I remember this segment from a long time ago. Wonder if you could help me locate the source?

Googling these words found me Wikipedia's Village Pump. You shouldn't ask these sorts of things there.
Judging by the Yahoo answer beneath it, you want Spill the Wine, perhaps. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:33, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
That was an "overfed" gnome. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:34, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Identifying music[edit]

For the bit from 3:07 to 3:35 in youtu.be/BrUQcmI9Fi4?t=3m7s, is it original or borrowed from another piece? That bit is particularly nice sounding and the rest of the piece is borrowed from the well known canon in D so I want to hear the whole piece if this bit is borrowed...

European Swords in Escrima?[edit]

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen.

I have found a curious video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4exayuKM0 with a grand master named Bill Newman (I have never heard of him before) that seems to teach fighting with both Easterm and Western weapons. I am a practioner of both FMA and Western Martial Arts (the German school of fencing to be exact, a wonderful representation can be found under http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln94E9AGYTc&list=UUhJ0Y62tWOLPzfe5f0Io5ng, this is the original medieval art that was used in the Holy Roman Empire, not the modern 20th century stage fencing). Since I have never seen Escrima practioners using such big swords and strange stances and guards, I wonder myself if this style of Escrima has anything to do with the real "Escrima" or if they are just imitating modern movie fencing. Is this a effective way to fight or is it nonsense? Is it even possible to use a European sword effectively with this style of Escrima?

Thank you for your answers


All the best.--178.195.94.230 (talk) 10:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

did arlene francis have breast cancer along with alzheimers[edit]

71.186.219.35 (talk) 10:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC)vince

This question was raised here recently. [By you, on July 9th] She had cancer, but available sources don't indicate which type. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

what song is this?[edit]

Hello Wikipedia community, I'm looking for a song, it is a classic song, I think. But I only remember a small part of it. I try to reproduce this part using my mouth, hope this will be enough to identify the song. If someone could tell me what song is it, I will buy him/her a beer :) Thanks. [3] 2.181.99.66 (talk) 17:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there a name for this type of singing?[edit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGIX_WHyFL8

Notice the way he says "loyal". I've heard that kind of middle eastern singing before and am wondering if it has a specific name for it. 2.102.187.187 (talk) 17:39, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

That's not a particularly good example, but "Middle Eastern singing" often features a lot of melisma. Is that what you're referring to? Deor (talk) 22:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
It might be. I'm struggling to find examples on YouTube but I remember hearing that kind of tone (when the kid says "loyal") in classical arabic music. 2.102.187.187 (talk) 22:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
I also think it's (brief) melisma, but you are also probably picking up on the scale_(music) used, because it is not common in western music. Middle eastern music often uses "strange" scales by western standards, e.g. Phrygian dominant scale. I don't have a good ear for this, so I can't tell you what specific scale that song uses. Another thing to listen for is quarter tones, which I think he might be using in that portion of the song. Some addition info at Arabic_music#More_notes_used_than_in_Western_scales. SemanticMantis (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

A question regarding character recycling[edit]

I've noticed some characters a long time ago that have been recycled into new characters for their new franchise like the Baabians used for Escape from Planet Earth were originally green humanoid alien people for Planet 51 and Daphne Blake was once an antagonist on Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer as Cousin Mel that is usually a protagonist on the Scooby Doo universe. The popular muppet alien "Gonzo" for the later Muppet series was originally Snarl that made it's debut in The Great Santa Claus Switch and the other out of print version of Grover that was green colored turned blue on the Second season of Sesame Street. This question is one of the trivial things that people do if a desired character is needed and if Wikipedia should have an article about that concept of re-using characters.--HappyLogolover2011 (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Not an answer, but Robbie the Robot may hold the record for most reused character in unrelated shows. StuRat (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
That is an excellent choice StuRat. As a kid in the 60s I remember him showing up on so many sitcoms. Of course, his meeting with the Robot on Lost in Space is an all-timer. The character of John Munch appeared in nine different TV series on five networks. I'm not sure whether that would be considered recycling but I thought it worth a mention. MarnetteD|Talk 23:31, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Similarly (and in pretty much the same "universe") Jerry Orbach played Detective Lennie Briscoe in several of the Law and Order series. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Ub Iwerks turned Mickey Mouse from The Karnival Kid into Flip the Frog from Circus. And then there's the mystery mouse from Fiddlesticks. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Gene Kelly played the nightclub character "Danny McGuire" in 1944's Cover Girl (film) and then again in 1980's Xanadu (film). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:13, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Buddy Ebsen reprised his TV role of "Barnaby Jones" in the movie version of The Beverly Hillbillies - only because he had also played Jed Clampett in the TV version. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:13, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Character recycling of a different sort: Soylent Green. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:19, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

July 22[edit]

In which Movie was this one ?[edit]

I watched 'Sea of Love' the other night, nodding off for about ten minutes around the time Al Pacino's character meets Ellen Barkin's in her shoe store, and his altercation with two young punks reveals to her he is a Cop. Now having woken up I thought I had missed an amusing scene, and looked back at the Movie at the place I missed when it repeated, but did not see it, so I thought I might have missed it anyway, as if I could have nodded off more than once - not because the Film was boring, because it certainly wasn't.

The scene I thought was in it, and perhaps indeed is, but could be in another film, is one where a Cop, and if in another film, it could still be Mr. Pacino, is waiting for someone outside a flash school where diplomats and such send their kids, and he notices another man standing about ten yards the other side of the gate, and they acknowledge each other, but within a minute, they end up pulling their guns on each other, but it turns out the other guy was a bodyguard for I think the child of an Iranian diplomat, so all is good. The actor playing him resembled the Canadian born Elias Koteas, who himself bears a slight lookalike to Robert de Niro, but I cannot recall any other movie that this was in.

Also, while I am here, I may as well ask about another movie I have made mention of twice before, to see if anyone else is now reading, or others who have heard it might now remember - a film from about 1987, where a mother finally finds her son in New York, but the drug dealer he is with has him as a slave, and will not let him go, so the Lady calls a street cop, who challenges the crook. This toe rag makes the mistake of drawing on this middle aged officer, who shoots him dead, and mother and son are reunited. It is similar to the David Ogden Stiers T V Movie The Kissing Place, but is not it. Any help ? Thanks. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 13:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Robert Webber's name[edit]

Why did they put Robert Webber's name in a box? -- Toytoy (talk) 14:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Pet Shop Boys and photography[edit]

I was recently at Pori Jazz to see Pet Shop Boys live for the first time in my life. Right before the concert, the staff told us fans not to take any photographs. I noticed that people were taking photographs anyway, so I took a couple myself too. What I find curious here is that the Pet Shop Boys Facebook page states "Please share any pictures you take", which I understand to mean that the band itself is fine with fans photographing them. Does anyone know what is the situation here? Should we fans have been allowed to photograph them or not? How can I contact the band themselves or their manager to ask about this? JIP | Talk 15:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

It could be the venue that was trying to enforce its own no-pictures policy. May want to start there, instead. --McDoobAU93 15:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
That doesn't explain why the venue had no problems with fans photographing other bands, such as Hurts or George Clinton & Parliament Funkadelic. JIP | Talk 15:35, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm assuming that the Facebook page you're referring to is the band's official page? Even if it is, the band themselves probably don't manage it and have probably not authorized every single statement on it. Sounds to me like it's run by a fan or someone connected to the band who just wants as many photos as possible for their page. --Viennese Waltz 15:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I found the e-mail address of "Becker Brown management" on the official site of the band. I've sent a question there. JIP | Talk 18:30, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps they only meant to ban flash photography, which can blind the performers, and the message got garbled along the way. StuRat (talk) 22:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
No, the security staff definitely told me that any kind of photography is forbidden. But they only did that during the Pet Shop Boys concert. JIP | Talk 06:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Their official Facebook page and their Twitter feed both regularly ask fans to post pictures from concerts. If you have access to the internet you can check these yourself. I went to see them at the Brighton Centre at the start of their current tour, and they were asking for pictures of that. Any restriction will be a venue-specific thing. I'm going to see them at the Albert Hall on Wednesday, I expect that there photography will not be permitted. DuncanHill (talk) 23:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Lil Jon free download songs and instrumentals[edit]

Louis ("Blues Boy") Jones[edit]

My father is blues legend Louis Blues Boy Jones. I wrote a Bio and I had my cousin Phil O'Neal to submit it to Wikipedia for publication a few months ago. Phil told me that there were more questions. Please let me know what information is needed to complete my Bio for Wikipedia. I am Jones' oldest daughter LaVern. I almost have my book ready to be published about my father's life and I am truly excited. Jones, my father was an amazing entertainer in the early 1950's and 1960's. Now there is a tremendous amount of info provided on Jones' music on websites worldwide. Thank you all kindly. LaVern Jones Lemons

I added a section title. StuRat (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
We generally prefer that somebody unrelated to the person in question write their article, to prevent them from only showing their positives and suppressing any negatives. I did find over 1.6 million hits on a Google search of his name, so he does appear to be notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. So, perhaps you could write the article, but would need to allow others to modify it, which may include adding negative info on your father, to balance out the article. Will you be OK with that ?
Also, if your father is still alive, our "Biography of Living Persons" guideline will apply, requiring sources for everything (we want to be extra careful not to make mistakes in such cases, where the person is still alive to be offended). StuRat (talk) 22:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)