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May 25[edit]

Citizenship and Olympics[edit]

According to Rugby sevens at the 2016 Summer Olympics, if Ireland make the 2016 tournament, rugby players from Northern Ireland would have to play for an all-Ireland team. This leads to two questions, 1) would a Northern Ireland player have to possess an Irish passport to compete (not just be eligible); and 2) are there other examples where athletes are forced to represent a country other than their own? Hack (talk) 04:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm simplifying this a bit, but the Republic of Ireland considers that anyone born on the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen, even if they are from Northern Ireland and are technically UK citizens. See these FAQ from the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service. So to answer question 1, no they would not, and they would not even need an Irish passport to be considered citizens of Ireland in general. Adam Bishop (talk) 10:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I suppose I could have just looked on Wikipedia - we have an article on Irish nationality law. Adam Bishop (talk) 10:14, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if you know but the Ireland national rugby union team (Six Nations, World Cup) also represents the whole island. What do you mean by "forced to represent a country other than their own"? Those teams represent the whole island. Players from both parts of Ireland play for a unified team. It's not like players from Northern Ireland are made to play for the Republic of Ireland or vice versa. As to your more general question I think there were similar cases. Start with Unified Team at the Olympics and Korean Unification Flag and go from there. Contact Basemetal here 12:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
When I say forced, I meant if they wanted to play Olympic rugby, they'd have to play for a country that they may not necessarily identify with. While the All-Ireland concept is in place for a handful of sports, it's not been at this sort of level. Hack (talk) 12:58, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
How about the Rugby World Cup? That's the very highest level of the sport, and Ireland play in that as an all-island team. DuncanHill (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
@DuncanHill: Nationality of a union isn't ordinarily required to play international rugby. For an example Quade Cooper was not an Australian citizen when he began playing for Australia in the 15-a-side game.[1] Hack (talk) 08:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
@Hack:I know. I was making the point that at the highest level in rugby, Ireland play as an all-island team in response to your comment "I meant if they wanted to play Olympic rugby, they'd have to play for a country that they may not necessarily identify with. While the All-Ireland concept is in place for a handful of sports, it's not been at this sort of level" above. DuncanHill (talk) 10:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand the word 'forced' in this. You can only play Olympic Rugby if you have qualified to do so. These qualification stages are arranged by the sport's International Federation (World Rugby in this case). You can't qualify for a country not recognised by the IF and once qualification begins, you generally can't change your sporting nationality. I'm not aware of, and can't find any instances of, anyone who's qualified for the Olympic games (through qualification stages arranged by a particular sports' governing body or IOC recognised International Federation) being forced to change their sporting nationality to another (except due to not meeting eligibilty - see Grannygate). Even after the dissolution of the USSR, the athletes and sportspersons could choose (within reason) who to represent in future games. A handful of International Federations (FIFA for one) have rules whereby your sporting nationality is set once you are selected for a particular country, you can't change it afterwards whilst some sports let you change however much you like (In Equestrian, you just fill out a form). Those who have already qualified but their countries are no longer recognised by the IOC, or whose NOC have been sanctioned for whatever reason, can apply to compete as Independent Olympians. If you live in ROI or NI and are good enough to play Rugby at a national or Olympic level you would play for the Ireland national rugby union team which represents both countries unless you changed your sporting nationality (via the grandfather rule or similar). This is because there is only one governing body on the whole island and they have chosen to have one representative team. Nanonic (talk) 13:58, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I've found the relevant WR regulation. The usual, relatively straightforward, eligibility rules are much, much more complicated for Olympic-related sevens matches.[2] Hack (talk) 15:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Formula 1[edit]

In the Jenson Button article, it states he has had 274 races with 271 starts. How is this possible. Widneymanor (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Widneymanor You might want to post this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One as the members of that project might have a better understanding of how the items in the infobox are listed. MarnetteD|Talk 17:04, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
It means he is recorded as DNS (did not start) for three races (all listed in that article - search it for DNS). That means he was one of his team's nominated drives for that race weekend, but was unable to start the race due to mechanical failure or for medical reasons. -- Finlay McWalterTalk 17:11, 25 May 2015 (UT
Thanks for the quick answer Finlay McWalter! Thank goodness you didn't get pulled into the pits for a tire change while you were leading :-) MarnetteD|Talk 17:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Here's the three reasons:
-- Finlay McWalterTalk 17:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for such speedy responses. Widneymanor (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

May 27[edit]

Sci-fi story to ID[edit]

I believe a teacher read it to me back in grade school, so the story is probably 35+ years old. There was a single (male) protagonist and he's in an arena, being forced to fight an alien. The arena is split in half with some kind of force field separating them. For some reason I think there was something particularly bizarre about the alien, such as it was an enormous sphere-shape, but I could be conflating that with something else. I don't recall the outcome of the story; it could be that the human and alien figure out a way to cooperate or it could be that the man fought it and won. IIRC, it was being presented to us as "classic" SF, so I'm guessing the story is relatively famous within the genre, or at least was a major writer like Asimov or Bradbury. Any help? Matt Deres (talk) 19:52, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Arena (short story). Nanonic (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Which begat Arena (Star Trek: The Original Series) (The fight against the Gorn). Nanonic (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I found the short story to be much better than the Star Trek episode. For one, the alien was much more alien, rather than just a man in a reptile suit. And the short story didn't have components for a cannon just lying around handy. The Star Trek episode did have Kirk refusing to kill the alien at the end, though, which was an interesting twist. StuRat (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
That's it - thank you! I was worried that the sphere shape was from some other story, but obviously not. I will need to track this down. Thanks again! Matt Deres (talk) 17:52, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

May 28[edit]

Watch that enabled fast movement[edit]

There was some movie or television show with a watch that either froze time or enabled a user to move at fast enough speed to make everything else freeze. What was this? — Melab±1 05:22, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Click (2006 film) -- Finlay McWalterTalk 07:11, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
That's a rather odd watch... Bernard's Watch would seem closer, though it would help if Melab could give us a rough date for the series/movie, and whether it was a kid's show or similar. MChesterMC (talk) 08:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

If you're an adult, you may be interested in Nicholson Baker's novel The Fermata. Baker is a Wikipedian. Wageless, you may not have edited for a year, but you're not forgotten. --Dweller (talk) 08:56, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

There was also the short-lived 1970s TV series Gemini Man, in which the hero had a watch that rendered him invisible for 15 mins per day. --Viennese Waltz 09:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Clockstoppers? Adam Bishop (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

There was a TV movie The Girl, the Gold Watch & Everything (based on the John D. MacDonald novel), which revolved around a time-stopping pocket watch. But such devices are a pretty common science fiction trope, so I'm sure there are others. Deor (talk) 11:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

The relevant TV Tropes article is "Time Stands Still". It lists a lot of examples, though not all of them involve watches or clocks or even devices. If your film hasn't been mentioned by now, you might find it there, Melab±1. ---Sluzzelin talk 12:00, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
There's also the original Twilight Zone episode A Kind of a Stopwatch and the revival series episode A Little Peace and Quiet (which used more of a sundial amulet). StuRat (talk) 13:21, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
See also The Magic Boomerang for a similar premise. As far as actual time-stopping watches are concerned, friends-of-friends-of-friends (*cough*) inform me that Japanese films exist in which the effect is utilised for scandalous purposes.
The general idea may date back to H. G. Wells' short story, The New Accelerator.{The poster formerly known as} (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
It involved a wristwatch, not a stopwatch. It was definitely made post-2000. — Melab±1 01:54, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Are you saying that it was none of the above suggestions? --Viennese Waltz 07:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

What is the difference between the Olympic Games and the Special Olympics Games?[edit]

What is the difference between the Olympic Games and the Special Olympics Games? I notice that the Olympic Games is more mainstream and almost all athletes are able-bodied. I also notice that participation of the Special Olympics Games is restricted to athletes with intellectual disabilities. Does the latter have a large fanbase like the mainstream Olympic Games? Are the opening ceremony and closing ceremony different or similar? Is the Special Olympics influenced/modeled by the Ancient Olympic Games and the Modern Olympic Games. WJetChao (talk) 23:07, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

If you read the articles you linked to, it explains how each organization was formed and is run, and their history and organization, in some detail. You can answer all of your questions by reading those articles. If there is some passage in those articles that needs clarifying, please feel free to ask about it, but I'm not sure we need to insult you by summarizing the exact same articles you just linked. --Jayron32 23:55, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
See also Paralympic Games for the physically disabled. Rmhermen (talk) 20:06, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

May 29[edit]

Music Album Cover Picture[edit]

Please, I want to know how to upload a cover picture to music album Best of 11-Twelve I uploaded one on commons but it was deleted. I want to know if there's another way to upload it. Thank you Senor Mido (talk) 18:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Senor Mido.
It would have been deleted because it was a copyrighted image and commons doesn't accept images subject to copyright.
You can upload the image to Wikipedia instead under "fair use" provisions, but you do need to follow some quite strict rules:
Here is an example of a copyright image used under "fair use" (which just happens to be the second-greatest album ever, after "Loveless" by My Bloody Valentine).
There is an upload wizard to assist you with this, but I can't remember where it is. Someone is sure to know.
PS: this should be at Wikipedia:Help desk, or maybe somewhere else, but, whatevs.
Hope this helps. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 08:02, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Musical genre identification[edit]

What musical genre best applies to this music by Guy Lombardo?

Wavelength (talk) 18:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it can be narrowed down to just one genre Wavelength. Some (most?) of it fits into the Swing music prevalent in the Big band and Swing eras. That music has its roots in jazz. Other songs on the list can fit into other genres. Maybe other editors will have more specifics for you. MarnetteD|Talk 20:25, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
My father was a bit of a geek as far as big band music goes, and he explained Guy Lombardo's music (his favourite by the way) as being sweeter than Sammy Kaye's music, but both of them being in the same genre of sway music, which was part of swing music. According to our article on him, his slogan was "Swing and sway with Sammy Kaye". Now as to what the differences were, I can't really describe, but I suspect it has to do with being more at the orchestral end of the spectrum, the opposite end being trad jazz. So I reckon the genre is, as the title itself says, sweet swing music. (As an aside, Billy Rose's music was described as "slurp" music, which described the upward glissandoes which characterised his arrangements, the most vivid example I remember is "You're the Tops".) --TammyMoet (talk) 21:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

May 30[edit]

Deez Nuts[edit]

The article Deez Nuts is about an Australian hardcore band, but it also includes a disambiguation link saying "For the Dr Dre song, see The Chronic". However, the article on The Chronic contains no reference to this phrase. So what is the connection between the phrase and Dr Dre? And can someone please fix the article on The Chronic so that the disambig link makes sense?

As an aside, I am well aware that the phrase is some kind of internet meme. It seems like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face to make the primary article with that name about some hardcore band no-one's ever heard of, rather than being an article about the meme itself. It means that one has to go to some place like Urban Dictionary to learn the meaning of the meme. Frankly, I would expect Wikipedia to be the prime source of such information. --Viennese Waltz 07:26, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

If it's a meme, it's a very old one. The "Deez nuts" phrase dates back to at least the early-to-mid 1990s, before the Internet was a major force in popular culture. I used it when I was in my teens and young adulthood, which is long enough ago. Stack Exchange has anecdotal evidence that the phrase dates to at least 30 years ago, which would definitely predate the Internet as we know it. This Reddit thread also has anecdotes citing the same joke as the Stack Exchange one, "Do you like CD'S... What CD's? see Deez Nuts!" and cites it to the 1980s or so. --Jayron32 16:44, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
BTW, the Stack Exchange link given above explains the Dr Dre connection. Rojomoke (talk) 17:02, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Regarding your last point, WP is not a dictionary; I'm not sure why you would expect it to be a prime source of information for a joke meme. Best case scenario, it would collect previously published information (hopefully from reliable sources). Matt Deres (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
And yet we have a whole category called Category:English-language idioms, with articles on such gems as "Keeping up with the Joneses" and "Jumping from the frying pan into the fire". It's not clear to me why phrases like that deserve their own article, whereas something like "deez nuts" doesn't, except that the latter doesn't seem to have been around for as long. --Viennese Waltz 17:36, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
WP:NAD is frequently misappropriated. All it means is that Wikipedia articles about words should not only be the definition. Wikipedia can have good encyclopedia articles about words. It's about how to format articles about words, and what information should be in them. Not about the concept of having an encyclopedia article of a word. Of course, if the only reliably sourced information on a word or phrase is it's dictionary definition, there probably shouldn't be an article. But that's true of anything. --Jayron32 18:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Music in Mapp And Lucia[edit]

Can someone tell me the name of the piece of music being played by Lucia and Georgie in episode 1 of Mapp and Lucia (BBC TV series). It starts at 36:38 in this ABC iview episode. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:50, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Link only works in Australia. --Viennese Waltz 07:59, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Never mind, I think I've found it - Movement Three: Rondo Alla Turca (Turkish March) from Piano Sonata No. 11 (Mozart). Mitch Ames (talk) 08:04, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Kids song[edit]

OK - so we've lost the CD, and my son really wants this song, but I can't remember the band or album title. 1. It's a kids song, from a kids music band. 2. Its a sort of country / banjo sound to it. 3. It's about sheep. 4. It's sung by a woman. 5. It opens with a line about 'white clouds, little white sheep from the seat of this big old jumbo jet' - the clouds are sheep she's watching. 6. There's a rapid listing of different breeds of sheep in the song. 7. She mentions 'mint sauce' as something she likes about sheep, then says 'Sorry Sheepie!' 8. The chorus is "Sheep!" then a one-liner, one of which is "Sheep! A tasty kind of meat!" Would love it if someone recognized it! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Sadly, it seems to be unknown to the internet, as far as I can tell. Alansplodge (talk) 19:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- yes - I've done some searching for the lyrics I remember, but I think they are not listed anywhere that's indexed - I'm just counting on someone having it and recognizing it! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:31, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah! Got it ! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Time travel themed Where's Waldo type picture book.[edit]

I'm trying to find a Where's Waldo type picture book I had as a kid in the 90s. It was illustrated, not photography, so that rules out I Spy. The main theme (I don't remember any characters) was time travel: One page was set in medieval times, another was set in a 1960s type American city with a parade, and the last page was set in the future, where everything was chromed. You had to find specific items (ex: Gas can for your stuck time travel machine, radio, etc) in every page, not any characters. I think that's all I remember. Anyone have any ideas? YukiMuonMadobeNite (talk) 21:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)