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Women players
Proposed removals from the above, by User-Tennis expert

"Maria Sharapova and Amelie Mauresmo because their records so far hardly support their inclusion among the most important in tennis history."

Response: I included these two because I was trying to include current stars, to anticipate articles that would be popular with readers over the next couple of years. (They don't have to be part of the "absolute best ever" list.) If these two don't meet this description, if they are "has-beens", then please propose a couple of other better choices of current stars. I like tennis, but I'm certainly not that knowledgable, particularly about the current scene. Walkerma 06:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed additions to the above, by User-Tennis expert
Women players
I'd support including Gibson (B, key part of tennis history) and Lenglen (B, 12 singles GS wins, and "first female tennis celebrity". I'd also be OK including Dod, this is quite a decent article and would help us cover the earlier period better. The others I think I'd leave out for now, none of them meet B-Class standard. Walkerma 06:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion;

I reviewed the lists shown, and picked out the top 13 of each gender based on what I perceived to be their overall importance. There is a range of players from throughout tennis history, where there are decent articles available. A couple of the recent women players have won slightly fewer Grand Slam (tennis) titles, but these are people who are still winning things. I belatedly added in the other main tennis pages- the main tournaments and of course Tennis. I will tag things with A/B/GA etc soon, most seem to be B-Class. Walkerma 16:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added some comments on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis. Not sure where they go. Here it is. "Great list. How about Jack Kramer and all 13 players from this list. Also may I suggest ATP Tour, WTA Tour, Davis cup, Fed cup and History of tennis. Thanks!" - RC 04:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for these comments, and this is the right way to give feedback (actually, I've been keeping an eye on the WP:Tennis page, though I usually wait a few days for comments to come in before responding). I think these are reasonable suggestions, though many are only Start-Class and therefore they fall below the desired minimum. I can see the need to include Jack Kramer (Start) and Pancho Gonzales (B), and my omission of Don Budge (Start) was just an oversight (I thought I'd included him!), I would support including all three of these despite two of them being Starts - we need to have a complete set of the very top players. The History of tennis article is good as far as it goes, but it needs to be finished before it can be included. The ATP and WTA are both only Start-Class, and one has cleanup tags on it; I think I'd like to see any serious issues addressed there before we include these, though I agree they are important. The Davis & Fed Cup articles look to be quite usable - there is no assessment, but I'd guess they are reasonable except for a lack of cited sources. I'd like the opinions of people from WP:Tennis on the quality & completeness of these articles, we don't want to put out articles that may be embarrassingly deficient! Thank you, Walkerma 06:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Thanks - RC 12:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a bunch of female players and deleted Maria Sharapova and Amelie Mauresmo because their records so far hardly support their inclusion among the most important in tennis history. Also, I assume we are talking about singles performances only because otherwise the list would have to include players like Elizabeth Ryan, Pam Shriver, Thelma Coyne Long, Natasha Zvereva, Shirley Fry Irvin, Rosemary Casals, and Gigi Fernandez. Tennis expert 15:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An excellent point about players who specialise in doubles- I think we should perhaps have a separate nomination for the real stars of this sort. Regarding the addition of extra players - I was trying to limit it to 13 male, 13 female; anyone from the past had to have achieved a large no. of grand slam wins, etc. I don't think we should include players from outside the top 13/13 right now, unless they are current stars, or really good quality articles. I also think it's wrong to have 29 female players and only 13 male. I formatted the new proposals so people can see the changes being discussed. Walkerma 06:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I looked over the proposed additions, and I think I would support adding the 2 (maybe 3, if you include Dod) articles that are B (or close); these three also seem to be about the most interesting/notable of this group, IMHO (more comments above). The way the criteria work, if we have a B on a reasonably important person (which these are), then they would normally pass a standard nomination. But Start-Class or Stub would normally fail at this level, unless the article were the main Tennis article or another highly important topic. Walkerma 06:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Slight reservations about Rosewall, Vines, Connors, as Start class articles, but no objections to any of the others agreed to above. John Carter 15:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Rosewall article is a mess. If there were a class of article below "start," that's where I'd place it. Tennis expert (talk) 02:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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