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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.) Please read our article titling policy and our guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move, such as when a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or if the page to be moved is protected from moves. In these circumstances, administrator help is required to move a page, see below: § Requesting technical moves.
  • A title may be subject to dispute, and discussion may be necessary in order to reach consensus, see below: § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. It is not always necessary to use the requested move process in these circumstances: one option is to start an informal discussion at the article's talk page instead.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users do not have the capability to move pages. They must request moves using this process.

Most move requests are processed by a group of regular contributors who are familiar with Wikipedia naming conventions, non-binding precedents, and page moving procedures. Requests are generally processed after seven days, although backlogs often develop. If there is a clear consensus after this time, or if the requested move is uncontroversial or technical, the request will be closed and acted upon. If not, the closer may choose to re-list the request to allow more time for consensus to develop, or close it as "no consensus". For the processes involved in closing requests, performing moves, and cleaning up after moves, see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions. For a list of all processed moves, see Special:Log/move.

To contest a close, the Move review process is designed to evaluate a contested close of a move discussion to determine if the close was reasonable, or whether it was inconsistent with the spirit and intent of Wikipedia common practice, policies, or guidelines.

When not to use this page[edit]


Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves[edit]


Anyone can be bold and move a page without discussing it first and gaining an explicit consensus on the talk page. If you consider such a move to be controversial, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you can not revert the move for technical reasons then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves[edit]


The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. If any of the following apply to a desired move, treat it as potentially controversial:

  • There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title;
  • There has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • Someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

If a desired move is uncontroversial and technical in nature (e.g. spelling), please feel free to move the page yourself. If the page has recently been moved without discussion, you may revert the move and initiate a discussion on its talk page. In either case, if you are unable to complete the move, request it below.

  • To list a technical request, go to the bottom of this section that you are reading right now; edit the subsection Uncontroversial technical requests; insert the following code at the top:
{{subst:RMassist|<!--old page name, without brackets-->|<!--requested name, without brackets-->|reason= <!--reason for move-->}}
This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move it to the Contested technical requests section.

  • Alternatively, if the only obstacle to an uncontroversial move is another page in the way, you can ask for the deletion of the other page. This may apply, for example, if the other page is currently a redirect to the article to be moved, a redirect with no incoming links, or an unnecessary disambiguation page with a minor edit history. To request the other page be deleted, add the following code to the top of the page that is in the way:
{{db-move|<!--page to be moved here-->|<!--reason for move-->}}
This will list the undesired page for deletion under criterion for speedy deletion G6. If the page is a redirect, place the code above the redirection. For a list of articles being considered for uncontroversial speedy deletion, see Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion.

Uncontroversial technical requests[edit]

Contested technical requests[edit]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves[edit]

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves[edit]


Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests (e.g. spelling and capitalization fixes), see Requesting technical moves.

Do not put more than one open move request on the same article talk page, as this is not supported by the bot that handles updates to this page. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Requesting a single page move[edit]

(To propose moving more than one page—for example, moving a disambiguation page in order to move another page to that title—see "Requesting multiple page moves" below.)

To request a single page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you want moved, using this format:

{{subst:Requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). Leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template automatically creates the heading "Requested move 30 March 2015". Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. The template must be substituted.

Use the code |talk=yes to add separate locations for survey and discussion.

Note: Unlike certain other request processes on Wikipedia, nominations need not be neutral. Strive to make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and make reference to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topic. After the nomination has been made, nominators may nevertheless add a separate bullet point to support their nomination, but should add "as nominator" (for example,  * '''Rename, as nominator''': ...). Most nominators, however, simply allow the nomination itself to indicate what their opinion is. Nominators may also participate in the discussion along with everyone else, and often should.

Requesting multiple page moves[edit]

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

{{subst:requested move
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please default to Google Books or Google News Archive before providing any web results. Do not sign this.}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.


Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. Preferably, a reason for the relist will be given. When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions.

To relist a move request discussion, simply type <small>'''Relisted'''. ~~~~</small> before the initial requester's first timestamp (see this diff for an example). This can also be done by using {{subst:Relisting}}, which signs the relisting automatically. The RMCD bot uses the new timestamp to relist the entry on this page.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion. One option is to notify relevant WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Applicable WikiProjects can often be determined by means of the banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request.

Current discussions[edit]

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format.

March 30, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Student activity centerStudent center – the words "Student union and "Student's union" has a close similarity that causes confusion. Outside the US a Student's union is a student government or a governing body for students in the US the "student union" is typically a physical building. In the US there are either a "Student center" or "Student union" few if not NONE called it a "Student activity center". Currently "Student union" is being used as a disambiguation page to define the two, which is why this article shouldn't be renamed "student union". That page helps define the confusion between the two. Since the creation of "Student activity center" this article is encompassing the true meaning of a "Student center" or "Student union" at Universities."Student Center" page is being used as a redirect. This article should be truly called a "Student center" which is a physical building that encompasses an environment for students of a university or college. No school calls this a "student activity center" but the use of any "student center" or "student union" is dependent on the school, the word "student center" or "student union" is the language used at universities and colleges across the US. You can google and school or find almost one or the other. Beyond this, very few or if any are managed by students or a student governing bodies in the US. Even outside the US Universities that do a "student center" or "student union" are usually a welcome location or hub of uses similar to the uses by US colleges and universities --Relisted. Sunrise (talk) 10:22, 30 March 2015 (UTC) Pwojdacz (talk) 05:36, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Domino's PizzaDomino's – Domino's no longer sells just pizza. They offer sandwiches, pasta, breadsticks, etc. and in recent years the branding has changed from Domino's Pizza to just Domino's. I believe the page needs to be moved to reflect the rebranding. Paul Badillo (talk) 02:32, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)E. F. L. Wood, 1st Earl of HalifaxEdward Wood, 1st Earl of HalifaxWP:NCPEER. His entry in the ODNB confirms he was known by his first name of Edward. The article seems to have been placed here in 2005 on the grounds that he was more commonly referred to by his initials (like F. E. Smith), but no source for this is given - and he certainly would not have been so known after his ennoblement, so using the initials in combination with the peerage title is anachronistic. Opera hat (talk) 00:43, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

March 29, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Theodora (wife of Justinian I)Theodora – Evidently I showed up a day too late to participate in the discussion above. Whoops. This page should be moved to "Theodora", with the disambiguation page moved to Theodora (disambiguation). The rationale for moving it there is quite simple: this article is the most common and prominent Theodora. But, in more detail: # Factually, this Theodora is the most prominent individual by that name discussed on Wikipedia. The article notes that sources discuss her as co-ruler, and that she was one of the most powerful Byzantine empresses in history - certainly the most prominent named Theodora! # Even were it not for this, it's quite clear that she's the most popular person by that name that readers search for. I used my database access to pull out numbers on this, since's count is unreliable (it relies on page titles being just-so, doesn't include mobile requests, and doesn't filter for automata. Indeed, it's currently claiming almost all Theodoras have precisely 1,375 pageviews). The results are in the graphic to the right, and can also be seen in this gist, along with the code used to retrieve them and generate the graphic. What it shows is that this specific Theodora accumulated eighteen thousand pageviews in the last month or so, compared to four thousand for the next most prominent subject by that name, and meaning that this Theodora is just shy of having half of all pageviews to any Theodora article, anywhere on the wiki. # It's highly gendered to use her marital status to disambiguate. This is done for quite a lot of articles (I hope we fix those too) but, given Theodora's position and prominence, this is a pretty egregious example. Yes, she didn't reign in her own right, but neither did Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont, Queen Ratna of Nepal or, for that matter, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, and all of them held far less power than Theodora. And yes, she's commonly listed with Justinian, but Mary II of England was commonly linked with her husband, too - that doesn't mean that the article title needs to give the impression that her primary role was as a +1, because it quite clearly wasn't. If Theodora is not an acceptable title to this page - and for reasons 1 and 2, we can talk about (as discussed above) Theodora (6th century) or similar. Hopefully that makes sense. TL;DR there are a lot of good reasons for this move, and even if you disagree with the objections around associating her primarily with her husband, you have to admit there's a clear advantage to the reader and the wiki, here, in terms of what readers are hunting for. (@DrKiernan, Jmacwiki, Cplakidas, P Aculeius:) Ironholds (talk) 21:46, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)FriggitelloPeperoncino – A previous move attempt I requested (through a db-move template, because a redirect page was in the way) went wrong when an admin tried to perform it. Could another admin please fix this? – AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Deerfoot (runner)Deerfoot – The location "Deerfoot" currently redirects to Deerfoot Trail, a freeway in Calgary, which was apparently named after the runner. I would have thought therefore that per long term significance, and the fact that the current redirect target is not actually called "Deerfoot" itself (it's called "Deerfoot Trail"), the runner should be at the main page location, with a simple hatnote to the freeway. The only counterargument would be if the freeway is frequently and commonly known by the shorthand "Deerfoot" moniker, in which case it would also be a contender. Thanks.  — relisted --Mike Cline (talk) 14:23, 29 March 2015 (UTC). Amakuru (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

March 28, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Once Upon a TimeOnce upon a time (disambiguation) – See old Talk page comments. Some entries are not exact matches, and the capitalization is contrary to MOS:CT (and the sourcing argument does not seem to apply, since this is a dab page rather than a topic article). Note, however, that there was a previous revert of the same move (10:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC) by JHunterJ), so this may not be entirely noncontroversial. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:02, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Coat of arms of Western SaharaCoat of arms of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic – The title doesn't seem to be in line with the conventional assumption that states have heraldry, while territories do not. The current article is clearly aiming to describe the SADR heraldry, but it exists under a different name due to some political argument. Furthermore, the SADR naming of this article had existed for 7 years (!) before it was proposed to be renamed in 2013 by a user, no longer active on wikipedia, and gaining only tiny majority in favor by 3 against 2 votes.GreyShark (dibra) 20:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC) GreyShark (dibra) 20:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Coati MundiCoati Mundi (musician) – With the redirect "Coati Mundi" being edited to point to Coatimundi, which is a disambiguation page. The animal is the primary subject, I would say. This Google Ngram shows results for four phrases: "Coati Mundi", "coati mundi", "Coatimundi", and "coatimundi". "Coati Mundi" comes in last and it's the only one that would refer to Andy Hernandez, occasional typos aside.

    What I'm concerned about here is that typing "coati mundi" in the search box brings one to this page, when that's probably not where most people want to go. Granted, technically there is a difference between "Coati Mundi" and "coati mundi", but our search box can't differentiate them, and anyway whether the names of animals are or are not capitalized is not settled (there was a big contretemps about this here recently) and certainly some people looking for the animal are going to capitalize it anyway.

    In fact Andy Hernandez looks rather obscure compared to a genus of charismatic megafauna and a case could be made for "Coati Mundi" and "Coatimundi" redirecting directly to "Coati" with only a hatnote there for people looking for Mr Hernandez. Either way is OK but I'm proposing here here that "Coatimundi" remain a disambig page with "Coati Mundi" pointing to it. Herostratus (talk) 15:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)David Jacobs (Welsh athlete)David Jacobs (athlete) – He is notable for winning in representation of the British team and I think that presentation should be the same as for every other British athlete. There is nothing in the article to present a particular presentation as Welsh. GregKaye 12:11, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Stuart Townend (headmaster)Stuart Townend (athlete, educator and politician) – He was a multi-disciplinarian. There are arguments related to master, mistress sexism within use of terms such as headmaster and, in the article, the credited is that "He was the first headmaster to educate an heir to the British throne." As an educator he was not always headmaster. There is no problem with presenting explanatory disambiguations for multi-disciplinarians. The subtitle of the Britannica article for the greatly esteemed Arnold Schwarzenegger reads "American politician, actor, and athlete". From article content Stuart Townend is not mostly noted for his teaching. GregKaye 10:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

March 27, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Mercy for AnimalsMercy For Animals – The official legal name of the organization has a capital "F", ie. Mercy For Animals, abbreviated M.F.A. This is the official, legal, registered name of this organization, regardless of common English capitalization rules or non-official articles and news reports. The official website is, no other website can dictate the proper official spelling of the name. Thank you for your time. (talk) 23:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jennifer Government: NationStatesNationStates – The website no longer includes the phrase "Jennifer Government" alongside the name anywhere that I can see, including the banner on the front page and the site logo in the corner of every page. Judging by comments above this has been the case for at least a couple of years. I tried to "be bold" and move it myself but this was apparently not possible. Literally Satan (talk) 20:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)DigãoRodrigo Izecson dos Santos Leite – Or something shorter. There is another footballer called Digão, whose full name is actually Rodrigo Júnior Paula Silva. I'm not confident about using his birth year as a disambiguator. I don't know how to find a reliable source to verify it, especially in Portuguese. Current title should be of a disambiguation page. George Ho (talk) 06:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pinyon pinePiñon pine – A lot of people seem confused or even offended by the less-used Anglicized version, it would therefore benefit the project to use the correct spelling and include "Pinyon" as an alternate spelling. Kehkou (talk) 01:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

March 26, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Spare tire loverBack-up partner – The current title is obviously bad – it seems like a corny neologism and lacks any clarifying hyphenation. The proposed title has some support in sources, as previously noted. There are alternatives that could be considered – e.g., "back-up lover" or "standby lover", but "back-up partner" seems adequate. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:59, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The Who Tour 1968The Who Sell Out Tour – This is an unexplained tour name change with no indication that this is the correct name of the tour. If you look at at the history of all three articles, the tour was moved to two different locations a minute apart, so the move cannot simply be reverted. – Aspects (talk) 06:33, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mud Run DisasterMud Run disaster – No such proper name is found in sources, which call it "the disaster on the Lehigh Valley railroad", "the recent accident on the Lehigh Valley Railroad at Mud Run", and such in sentences. Headlines (usually title case) call it "Disaster at Mud Run", "Mud Run, PA Train Wreck, Oct 1888", "The Mud Run Disaster", "Disaster at Mud Run", and such. On the rare occasion that this term is used in a sentence, disaster is lowercase as in this book and this book and this book and a few more from over a hundred years ago. I find no evidence that anyone regards it as having become a proper name. Dicklyon (talk) 03:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

March 25, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Satyricon (1968 film)Satyricon (Gian Luigi Polidoro film) – The film was actually a 1969 film, not a 1968 film, as stated within the article itself and confirmed by IMDB. However, there is also a more famous film released in 1969 called Satyricon or Fellini Satyricon, which is currently called Satyricon (1969 film) on Wikipedia, and so we clearly can't use that name for this film. Note that there is also a move request under discussion for the other film, although I don't think the outcome of that move discussion should affect the choice of the title for this article. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)WolseyWolsey (disambiguation) – Cardinal Thomas Wolsey seems far and away the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this term. He's dominant in Google searches, both general and Books. A Belgian mathematician, Laurence Wolsey, shows up a fair amount, but as an author rather than a subject, and it doesn't look like he has an article on the Dutch or French Wikipedias either. And while "derived from" isn't a PRIMARYTOPIC criterion, it's often considered nonetheless: in this case, the clothing company and Doctor Who character are named for the cardinal. I suspect this ship is as well. --BDD (talk) 20:30, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)EABISABIS - The Academy of Business in Society – The article's title still refers to the old name (EABIS) of the organization. The title of the organization has been changed to ABIS - The Academy of Business in Society a few years ago. This is also stated in the wikipedia entry itself. Please view the organizations website for further proof.[5][6] Abisglobal (talk) 13:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)TroadTroas – The article gives two spellings of the name, Troad and Troas. These are in fact identical. The Classical Greek nominative of the name of the city we call Troy is Troas; other cases are Troad+<ending>. It is usual in English to transliterate the nominative. This is what KJV of Bible did for Acts 16:8 and in several other places where the name occurs. Troas also appears on the map used to illustrate the article. A related CFD discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_March_18#Category:Troas. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Rafa BenítezRafael Benítez – Should not have been moved to current title without discussion in the first place. "Rafael Benitez" outnumbers "Rafa Benitez" in Google News searches. While some publications use both names, more major publications use "Rafael" exclusively than do "Rafa". --Relisted. Sunrise (talk) 09:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC) Mosmof (talk) 19:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

March 24, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Bon-BonBon-Bon (short story)WP:SMALLDETAILS. Restore to title prior undiscussed move 3 November 2013. Readers today are overwhelmingly more likely to read the article about the Pitbull song "Bon, Bon" or "Bon Bon", than the story by Edgar Allan Poe about restaurateur Pierre Bon-Bon's visitation by the devil. Both subjects are occasionally rendered as "Bon Bon" only. See everything else at Bon Bon disambiguation page. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)South African Premier DivisionPremier Soccer League Premier Division – The name "South African Premier Division was created purely for this page. The two divisions are the premier division and the first division, but the league's name is the premier soccer league. The most commonly used name for the division is the PSL, but the name Premier Soccer League is used for the entire league. I'd also propose that each division's season follow the policy would also follow the Currie Cup. Thus 2014-15 Premier Soccer League Premier Division Relisted -- Calidum 05:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC) Crazydude22 (talk) 11:27, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

March 23, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)IVECPawsey Supercomputing Centre – iVEC has renamed itself to the Pawsey Supercomputing Centre. The existing target page content can be deleted as it contains no additional information to what is already in the iVEC page. – Aky2468 (talk) 12:38, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)VistaprintCimpress – This page is about the company Vistaprint N.V., which changed its name to Cimpress N.V. back in November 2014. Vistaprint is now a brand within the larger Cimpress company. Ticker symbol, financials, patents, and the bulk of references in this article refer to the parent company Cimpress, rather than being specific to the Vistaprint division. There is page history at Cimpress (due to my incorrect move attempt), so this move requires an administrator. I will update the article after the move with new logo, financials, etc. and create a new section specific to the Vistaprint division.Relisted -- Calidum 05:48, 22 March 2015 (UTC) Pjhansen (talk) 13:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Carbon (fiber)Carbon fiber – The current title is misleading. This isn't about a fiber called carbon, but about a fibre made of carbon. The proposed new title currently redirects to carbon-fiber-reinforced polymer (CFRP), which is a composite material made of carbon fibers. Although the latter is sometimes called "carbon fiber", this is a case of slang or jargon and results in the suboptimal title we have for this article. An analogous case is that glass fiber, which is about fibers of glass, and fiberglass, which is about the composite material composed of glass fibers.
    As an encyclopedia we should should answer the question "What is carbon fiber?" straightforwardly. How do other reference works do that? The Oxford Dictionary of Mechanical Engineering defines carbon fibre as "a filament reinforcement used in composites". The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea starts its entry by saying "carbon fibre is mainly produced by separating a chain of carbon atoms from polyacrynitrile through heating and oxidation". There are many book-length treatments of carbon fiber and CFRP. All of the following treat "carbon fiber" as referring to fibers of carbon and not to their composites: G. M. Jenkins and K. Kawamura, Polymeric Carbons: Carbon Fibre, Glass and Char; G. Savage, Carbon–Carbon Composites; D. D. L. Chung, Carbon Fiber Compositse; P. Morgan, Carbon Fibers and their Composites; or J.-B. Donnet, S. Rebouillat, T. K. Wang and J. C. M. Peng (eds.), Carbon Fibers, 3rd ed. But it isn't only specialist sources that take "carbon fiber" to mean the fiber. Here is an article from Car and Driver. Here is how a Formula 1 resource explains it. Here is Here is How Stuff Works. Here is Zoltek. They all start with the basic sense of "carbon fiber": fibers made of carbon.
    Both this article and the one on the composite were viewed about 60,000 times in the last 90 days. See here and here. The redirect was viewed about 14,000 times. Switching the hatnote from one article to another will not greatly inconvenience users. Srnec (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Boomtown BoulderBoomtown Accelerator – I am an employee at Boomtown Boulder, and one of the directors asked me to change the name of the Wikipedia article to Boomtown Accelerator, to reflect the fact that we are a startup accelerator.relisted --Mike Cline (talk) 13:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC) Egrah (talk) 18:57, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)IslamophobiaAnti-Islamic sentiment – As the opening text of the article presents: "Anti-Islamic sentiment or Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. This is prejudice and, in a straight forward way, should be studied, researched and tackled as such. At essence the current title fundamentally fails WP:AT. The topic area is not a Phobia and, as far as the Venn diagram system of analysis is concerned, the topic of this form of prejudice certainly does not fall within the category of anxiety disorder. Sources are contain a great many topic relevant references to terms such as "against muslims", "against islamic", "anti-Islamic", "anti-Islam" which provide further justification for the move. Clearly issues related to presentation as Islamophobia can be presented in the article but I don't think we should place the cart before the horse. The topic should be treated in the same way in Wikipedia as in any parallel condition of prejudice such as: Anti-Catholicism, Anti-Christian sentiment, Anti-Hinduism, Anti-Mormonism and other articles that use the same "Anti-..." format common to articles found in Category:Persecution and connected categories. Many other topic areas are currently catered for by the 209 uses in Wikipedia of the "Persecution of ..." article title format. Also at issue is that "Islamophobia" is a neologism and this is shown in that the article is found both in Category:Words coined in the 1980s and Category:Political neologisms. See also WP:NEOLOGISM. As mentioned in the article section Islamophobia#Criticism of term and use: Salman Rushdie criticized the coinage of the word 'Islamophobia' saying that it "was an addition to the vocabulary of Humpty Dumpty Newspeak. It took the language of analysis, reason and dispute, and stood it on its head". I see the point and don't think that this is the kind of content that benefits an encyclopaedia. GregKaye 07:05, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Template:Suicide responseTemplate:Crisis response – The name of this template is "Suicide response". Perhaps it should have a softer name, like "Crisis response", so that if it is used, then the user is less burdened with the stigma of having a suicide label on their page. The text of content in the template uses the word "crisis" but not "suicide", so eventually the word "suicide" is not the preferred term anyway. The word "suicide" only shows up in the Wikicode template, and perhaps the word "suicide" is best to not use at all in a permanent record associated with someone's useraccount. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Leverage (disambiguation)Leverage – I noticed as part of an RfD discussion that the redirect currently at Leverage used to be a disambiguation page, but it was moved here some time ago, and replaced with a redirect to mechanical advantage, which does not appear to be the primary topic. Since then, users have tried to redirect to the dab page a couple times, but this is improper per WP:MALPLACED. Google shows a mixed bag of results, with a slight preference for Leverage (finance), but since I work in finance I assume this is skewed, and in the absence of a clear primary topic, disambiguation is better. I had suggested this at RfD but a helpful user pointed out that my request is actually a move proposal, so here it is. Ivanvector (talk) 19:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)CHADS2 scoreCHADS score – This article is about both CHADS2 score and CHA2DS2-VASc score, and the latter one is preferred. Therefore, we should move this page to the common denominator of both scoring systems, and after that explain CHA2DS2-VASc first and then the older CHADS2 at the end of the article. --Relisted.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC) Mikael Häggström (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC) Mikael Häggström (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Großer TiergartenGrosser Tiergarten – It might be nice to find some way to avoid the "ß" in the title. That's a character not found in the English alphabet, and not merely a diacritic. I suspect there are lots of English-speaking people who have no idea know how to pronounce it. I wouldn't submit this but for the recent successful RM at Talk:Uwe Dassler. There was no direct response to a prior comment about undesirability of the "ß" during the previous RM discussion for this page. (See also WP:ß.) —BarrelProof (talk) 05:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sia (musician)Sia Furler – Despite the timing of this RM, this is not for either of the requests above that just failed to gain consensus. This is a request for a move back to natural disambiguation. NATURAL says to "choose an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title." Parenthetical disambiguation should only be used "if natural disambiguation is not possible." Although the subject is most commonly referred to in sources by her mononym, she is occasionally referred to as Sia Furler: Billboard, Sydney Morning Herald, Daily Mail, New York Times, etc. Additionally, she uses the name Sia Furler in writing credits for other artists (a notable aspect of her career), and her debut album OnlySee was released under her full name. Therefore, the move to "Sia (musician)" should have never taken place. The discussion there was mainly based on WP:COMMONNAME; I'm not arguing that "Sia" is not the subject's most common name, but as mentioned, Wikipedia prefers natural disambiguation to parenthetical disambiguation where possible. And using natural disambiguation will spare us silly wars over whether "musician" or "singer" is the better disambiguator (see the convoluted last RM). –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Zenebishi familyZenevisi noble family – As per common name (Zenevisi vs. Zenebissi/Zenebisi/Zenebishi) and scholarly use; see previous section. The article was originally named "Zenevisi family", under which it received DYK, until being moved (without discussion) by User:Ujkrieger (first to "Zenevisi Family" - note capitalization; secondly to "Zenebishi Family", etc). The most common spelling is "Zenevisi". Furthermore, I think noble family is appropriate (instead of just family). Zoupan 10:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2 May 2014 Odessa clashesMay 2014 Odessa clashes – The previous RM was closed as removing "2 May" from 2014 Odessa clashes. As a result, the article was broadened. Then it was split into a newer article and the same article dealing with May protests in Odessa. I still think a "2" is unnecessary to exactly insert in order to search for this article. Some or many articles that deal with one-day events do not use an exact date, unlike September 11 attacks. I tried asking others to split the article up, but no one responded. Therefore, I'm sure that the title change won't affect the article itself. --Relisted. EdJohnston (talk) 12:51, 13 March 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 20:00, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)I Don't KissJ'embrasse pas – The English sources use the current English title. However, many other English sources also use the original French title. One and another and another use French title as main title. WP:NCF encourages using commonly-used name, be it either native name or translated name. I hope the proposed title is more common. --Relisted. CookieMonster755 (talk) 00:25, 13 March 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:25, 12 February 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Froot (album)Froot – This is the only article listed on the disambiguation page that goes by the plain title Froot (except for the title track, understandably). The other articles (Dan Froot, Froot Loops, fRoots, Fruit) are easily accessible by their current and more specific titles, and would not suffer from the alternate spelling being given to the Marina and the Diamonds album. Not to mention the fact that Froot Loops are never simply called "Froot", and Dan Froot has only seen visited 175 times in three months. It is within reasonable assumption that readers typing in that spelling are looking for this record, and those that were looking for actual fruit will be well on their way with a hatnote. WikiRedactor (talk) 21:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)MeleeMelee (warfare) – With the several newer usages of the term "melee" in recent times, the primary usage could arguably be the target of the redirect Melee (tournament) or article Melee (gaming) (which seems like a subject that was spun off from the aforementioned redirect.) However, given the historical significance of the currently-established primary topic, the best option would be to move the disambiguation page to the ambiguous title, establishing the lack of a primary topic, so readers can determine which topic they are attempting to locate. Steel1943 (talk) 23:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Athletics (British)Athletics (sport) – My request to move the article back to the title that was previously agreed by consensus was reverted by the person who moved it. If you look at the archives, we can see a variation of the current title (that was moved without discussion) was already rejected on the basis that I explained above. I'm happy to discuss other possibilities apart from the previous title, but I think the British one is inherently problematic on several fronts, most notably that it effectively excludes non-British varieties of English that use the term (which, population-wise, actually outnumber the British ones). SFB 20:39, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Acura NSX (2015)Honda NSX – There's already a Honda NSX article, which details the first and second generations of the car, as with most car articles on Wikipedia. I don't see the point of this page, seeing as it could be merged with the second generation section of the Honda NSX article. Blackjays1 (talk) 00:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The Beatles (terrorist cell)ISIL militants nicknamed the Beatles – I don't think that we can name them "The Beatles" in Wikipedia's voice either with or without disambiguation. The reaction of Ringo Starr to the naming included, "It's bullshit. They're against everything we stood for". Usage of this designation was first propagated in the British press who are, I think, known for their ability to go with any spin to get a catchy title, content or photo regardless of any ethical consideration. Astoundingly, within this type of context, Wikipedia persists in talking about "reliable sources". As far as I know the four militants concerned have not specifically been identified as being a "cell". All we know is that they were four of the militants that were used in direct connection with non-local prisoners. There is no evidence that I know of to suggest that they call themselves "the Beatles" and, even if they do have a name, there is no evidence that this is it. This is just an offensive reference first adopted by some of the prisoners probably to help then try to sanitise their greatly stressful situation and then used, I think, disproportionately by sensation seeking sources. These people are not "The Beatles". I think that something like the WP:NATURAL disambiguation that I have suggested should be used. GregKaye 11:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jihadi JohnMohammed Emwazi – A recent RfC on the topic "Should the article assume Emwazi is Jihadi John?" got overwhelming support. As an alternate article name I had also suggested something like the more long winded: The ISIL killer of captives presented in some media as "Jihadi John". I appreciate that such a title contravenes a number of Wikipedia guidelines but, when killing aid workers etc. is not jihad and when his real name seems not to be John and when the name of a British icon of the standing of John Lennon is tarnished by this most absurd of associations then I think that there is a strong case that WP:IAR applies. A more straightforward move would be to Mohammed Emwazi. GregKaye 10:35, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Northern AegeanNorth Aegean – These two articles have been moved after a slightly overhasty discussion on Talk:Western Greece#Requested move 21 February 2015. In the meantime I did some research on general naming customs pointing to the form with the -ern suffix stressing the geographical significance (one could loosely say "northernmost" and "southernmost"), regularly being used if there is something central in between. The form without the -ern suffix however is regularly used as a two-tiered disambiguator between North and South or between East and West (see the cases of Germany, Korea, America). In the case of the Aegean regions, while both versions are colloquially used, this translates to North Aegean vs. South Aegean being the more appropriate names.
    While these findings might be seen as WP:OR (someone might find literature on this though), here's now the objective facts: "North Aegean" in literature is clearly more common (~4:1) than "Northern Aegean". Also, "South Aegean" is more common (~3:2) than "Southern Aegean", although less clearly. While in the case of the other administrative regions of Greece, our recent move was absolutely justified, these two articles need to be moved back. While consistency might be considered a nice thing, general naming customs and WP:COMMONNAME IMHO leave us with no other option. PanchoS (talk) 18:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Chicago 'L'Chicago "L" – WP style is to use double quote marks, not single. And most sources, including those cited in the article, use double quotes. It's not clear how this ended up with single quotes, given that sources and our MOS both go the other way. So let's fix it. Dicklyon (talk) 00:36, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ram Kinker BaijRamkinkar Baij – The page was moved from "Ramkinkar Baij" to its current title in 2010 (by @Ekabhishek:) with the edit summary "as per Lalit Kala Akademi listing", but usage in the article itself, in the related book and film titles, and in Google hits suggests that "Ramkinkar" is used much more often than either "Ram Kinkar" or "Ram Kinker". PamD 12:51, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Memorial ParkwayJohn D. Rockefeller Jr. Memorial ParkwayWikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies, which "sets out guidelines for achieving visual and textual consistency in biographical articles and in biographical information in other articles", has recently been revised as § Child named for parent or predecessor (WP:JR) to provide that a comma should not be inserted before "Jr." or "Sr." This follows an RfC discussion which cited numerous style guides which supported that a comma before "Jr." or "Sr." must be accompanied by another comma afterwards (unless at the end of a sentence, etc.) but the trend is to omit the comma entirely. Although some "official" sources may be formatted differently (and various "official" sources may differ), "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title" (WP:COMMONNAME; see also WP:OFFICIAL), and Wikipedia routinely corrects incorrect punctuation in quoted sources (see MOS:QUOTE). Thus, we should follow Wikipedia's style guide. In summary: *John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Memorial Parkway (incorrect punctuation and against MOS) *John D. Rockefeller, Jr., Memorial Parkway (acceptable punctuation but against MOS) *John D. Rockefeller Jr. Memorial Parkway (correct punctuation and follows MOS) *John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Library (incorrect punctuation and against MOS) *John D. Rockefeller, Jr., Library (acceptable punctuation but against MOS) *John D. Rockefeller Jr. Library (correct punctuation and follows MOS) sroc 💬 08:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Template:RefimproveTemplate:Ref improve – I propose to move this template to {{Ref improve}}, replacing {{Refimprove}} with a redirect to the new title. This matter has been raised many times at WT:TW and was mentioned also at Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#Yobot. In my view, the "canonical" name of a template should be as clear as possible, and this can be done by spacing out the lexical components of the title. I note also that all the related templates with multi-word titles have spaces between the words. The motivation for this request is that Twinkle lists the more friendly name, "ref improve", but bots come along afterwards and change it to the canonical name, "refimprove". I think it is neater to be able to list "ref improve" in the list of article maintenance tags, so it would be great to be able to move the actual template to this title. Needless to say, all existing titles would be maintained as redirects. — relisted --Mike Cline (talk) 12:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)This, that and the other (talk) 23:38, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Smithers (name)Smithers (surname)Smithers (surname) currently confusingly redirects to Smith; yet we have a surname article for Smithers, so this should be moved to that title, to indicate the scope of this article, as surname articles should use "surname", while "name" covers names that are both surnames and given names, and "given name" is for given names. This article does not include any given name variants. -- (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Government-owned corporationState-owned enterprise – As discussed and basically agreed upon above, "state-owned" is the slightly broader, but less fuzzy concept. Various different definitions of "government" exist, ranging from a synonym of "state" to the mere executive branch or what in U.S. terminology is called administration. Also, as discussed there, not all state-owned enterprises are organized as corporations. State-owned enterprise (SOE) is common terminology. I prefer this to be formally discussed befor making the move though. --PanchoS (talk) 07:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC) PanchoS (talk) 07:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)DHS (disambiguation)DHSDHS redirects to United States Department of Homeland Security. Today, the redirect was changed into a disambiguation page. I have reverted the change, as there is already a disambiguation page (this page) and am opening this move discussion to gauge consensus on whether the disambiguation page should move to DHS or the redirect should stay where it is. All links to DHS have been disambiguated (I didn't know this page existed until I went to create it). There were 52 links to DHS, of which 49 were meant for the Homeland Security department. Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 23:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


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