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Can I have someone look at my article before resubmitting it?[edit]

Can I have someone look at my article before resubmitting it just to make sure I am correcting the mistakes I am making? We've been working on submitting the Jerry Yarnell page for a while now.Sablanca (talk) 01:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Sablanca, Hello! You're going to have trouble with this submission on the basis that nearly all of the sources appear to be written by Yarnell himself. Can you find some sources that are written by impartial and unrelated sources? News articles? Bali88 (talk) 03:51, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I can. Is there a certain amount of sources we need to have in order for it to be accepted? Sablanca (talk) 04:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Sablanca, There is no set number of sources you need, but the number of secondary sources (written by someone else), needs to be greater than that of primary sources (written by him or someone close to him). It also matters how you use the sources. For instance, his birthdate, where he grew up, his diagnosis with lymphoma, and where he went to college are appropriate things to cite to his own writings. Those are not considered self-serving statements. However, things like the fact that he is "widely famous", the awards he has won, and the number of students need to be sourced to impartial sources. I'd get started here. There are a number of issues with tone in the article (at times it sounds like an advertisement for him), but it's getting closer. Get the sourcing fixed and I'll help you with fix the rest. :-) Bali88 (talk) 05:38, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Sablanca. I believe that a decent article about this artist can be created. But please ponder carefully the following completely unreferenced sentences from the current version of the draft:
"In 2010, as part of a bold move and massive undertaking, Jerry began recording all new materials for his new TV Show Paint This with Jerry Yarnell™, for his portfolio of DVD instructional materials, and for his new 24/7 school Yarnell School Online. While his business name remains Yarnell Studio & School of Fine Art LLC, his new and only official teaching website is now, easily recognized by its background color which is his signature royal blue."
This is overtly promotional, advertising, spam-type language that will never be acceptable in an encyclopedia article, which must be written from the neutral point of view. You must be ruthless in your editing, eliminating these sentences, and every other sentence, phrase and word that is promotional in any way. Only then will your draft be worthy of serious consideration. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:31, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

When editors are personally abusive[edit]

I was recently involved in a rather strange discussion in which an editor implied that my opinion on a topic is because I am a white supremacist on the basis of a dissection of the the numbers in my screen name and that everyone else was a racist because they disagreed with the changes. I thought it was pretty funny and the editor is now blocked for other reasons (edit warring, it appears to be a spe account created solely to make these edits), but for future reference, is abusive language by other editors an actionable offense? In other words, can you get blocked just for being a jerk and calling names? Bali88 (talk) 00:00, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

@Bali88: Welcome back to the Teahouse. It's true that personal attacks are a blockable offense WP:ANI is the place to report them, but I'm not sure that that comment crosses into personal attacks (saying "You are a neo-nazi" would be considered an obvious personal attack though). Nevertheless, there's no harm in reporting them to ANI, especially if they're making other disruptive edits. --Jakob (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@Jakec: Thanks. I'm not terribly concerned about this specific editor at this point. I was just wondering how to handle it if this continues/amplifies. I know they're harassing another editor on their own talk page. :-) Bali88 (talk) 00:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

How do I inform the public that I will become my very last artwork after my death I have Terminal Cancer[edit]

How do I inform the public that I am the first artist in history to become my last ever artwork installation by arranging now a see through tank to preserve my body soon after my death as I only have 6-9 months to live according to my specialist cancer doctor due to Terminal Cancer of the pancreasTREVOR DAVID THOMAS ARTIST (talk) 22:52, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Trevor David Thomas. I am sorry to hear of your diagnosis. Unfortunately your news is not encyclopedic; so there is no place for it in Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Alternative outlets for other websites; for example, you could put it on a facebook page. —teb728 t c 23:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Unifying language in an article[edit]

If I come across an article that uses inconsistent terminology (different words for the same thing, to a confusing degree), is it kosher for me to go through and make the language consistent? (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Greetings 152, welcome to the teahouse. It's always a good idea to give the specifics (e.g. which article) on these kinds of questions so people can take a look for themselves, because so many of these questions don't have generic answers. In general, without knowing more about the article in question making language use more consistent and coherent sounds like basic good editing. However, note that one thing that comes up sometimes is Enlish vs US spelling. Some articles have adopted English spelling (e.g. centre rather than center) and the standard is that once an article goes one way or another don't change it. So if it's using US English spelling stick with that if English English stick with that. There are often comments at the beginning of articles or on their talk pages where this has been an issue asking people not to start changing the standard. Also, using different words for the same thing isn't necessarily a bad thing, in fact I do it all the time because using the same word can be rather boring for the reader. Again it all depends on the article, for scientific topics for example it can be essential to use the same term consistently. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 20:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! It's this page, which is all over the place:

I'm working on an academic project, and while even in the field there's little consensus on which term to use, I'm thinking it would be best if the article committed to one. I'll take some time to unify it when my schedule allows.... (talk) 21:15, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not skilled enough in the field of legal finance to know if words are being used correctly or incorrectly in that article, so I don't really know what you're referring to, but while you're "unifying" the article, make sure that you include all relevant terminology so that the audience knows what you're talking about. It's good for an article to be consistent, but if you change it all to American English and make no mention of other terminology, a British reader will be lost. A good strategy that some articles employ is to include all relevant alternative terms in the lead. So for instance the CCTV article...CCTV is not a common American term. We frequently use terms like video surveillance or surveillance footage, but almost never use the term CCTV. It's a lot more common in other English speaking areas. There's nothing wrong with using CCTV throughout the article, but it's definitely worth noting in the lead alternative names so readers from other dialects know what you're talking about. Make sure you aren't removing terms that might help others understand the article. :-) Bali88 (talk) 00:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Gartner Group white papers[edit]

Is it possible for me to get access to Gartner group papers via Wikipedia? This is strictly for editing Wikipedia not a back door for business stuff. If not (which I'm almost certain is the answer) I assume I can still reference Gartner white papers even though they are behind a paywall(?) I still have friends who work in the real world and have access to this stuff and I also have a store of papers I saved in electronic format from back when I had access. I know that journal articles would be preferable but for some Information Technology topics the journal articles are IMO just mostly so esoteric and not related to most of the actual issues that people in the real world deal with. FYI, the specific paper I'm interested in is this: but I've thought about this for several other articles as well. MadScientistX11 (talk) 19:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Might be worth asking around at the Resource Exchange; folk there can get hold of a lot of cool stuff... Someone on that project may well have Gartner access. Yunshui  20:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Great idea, I didn't even know that existed. Glad I asked. Thanks Again! (I promise this is my last question at least for today ;) --MadScientistX11 (talk) 20:51, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Posting images[edit]

Is there a step-by-step guide for posting images in Wikipedia articles? Geoff Roynon (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Dude, just find the picture you want to upload on the Commons and add it into the article.Mirror Freak 18:10, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The image is not in the Commons, it is an image belonging to the Sloan Digital Sky Survey. Do I need to add it to the Commons first and then link to it? Geoff Roynon (talk) 18:16, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, then yeah, here's the steps...
  1. Go to the Commons
  2. Make sure you have permission to use the picture
  3. Upload the picture
  4. Use a wikilink to add the picture. (If you can't I help you do it)Mirror Freak 18:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help - will let you know how it works out. Geoff Roynon (talk) 18:29, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I see a problem here, GeoffRoynon. Use of imagery from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey is limited to non-commercial use only. Freely licensed images on Wikimedia Commons can be used for any purpose, including commercial uses. The licenses are not compatible. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Can you use a different source? For instance, some (but not all) Hubble images are in the Public Domain and can be used here. --Gronk Oz (talk) 00:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

How to create WikiProject for Filipino Americans[edit]

I saw the WikiProject for Tambayan Philippines which seems to be a catchall for all things related to the Philippines as well as Filipino culture. I want to create a WikiProject specifically for "Filipino Americans" to collaborate with other users on Filipino American history and clean up stubs on biography pages for Filipino Americans. I'm very new to Wikipedia editing as of this past weekend so I'd like some help maybe finding more experienced users to create this or I suppose tips on how to make sure I'm doing this right. Thanks. Dashiellsands (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello @Dashiellsands:, and welcome! I've never started a Wikiproject myself, but looking into it, it looks like you would go through the process at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. If you have questions about how that process works, it looks like the best place to ask is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council. Good luck. I hope this was helpful! --Jayron32 19:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, @Jayron32. I will check them out. It's quite a big world I jumped into so I appreciate simple "turn here" tips to get around.

--Dashiellsands (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


I came across the following sentence while editing random articles...Some of these images pre-dated the work the claimant had created some did not. I inserted a semi-colon. It now reads...Some of these images pre-dated the work the claimant had created; some did not. I started to wonder if a period and a new sentence.......created. Some did not. would have been better. Thoughts? Buster Seven Talk 16:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Buster Seven, and thanks for posing an interesting punctuation question for the Teahouse! I think the answer depends on context:
1. The semicolon gives equivalent weight to the two independent clauses without coming to a full stop in the flow of ideas. In other words, it maintains the flow of ideas.
2. Using a period and new sentence creates a full stop and puts more emphasis on “Some did not.” As a reader, I might expect the next sentence to further explain through examples of the images that did not predate the other images.
3. The options of using a comma and conjunction such as and or but, or a semicolon plus conjunctive adverb (however, nevertheless, additionally, etc.) plus comma give even more ways to nuance the connection between ideas.
It’s a matter of choice, depending on the meaning. Punctuation matters! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Personally I like it with the semi colon, but either works. Ryan shell (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the replies. I think the semicolon makes us "read" it the way it would be spoken, with a soft stop connecting two equal parts. Thanks ALL for your work at the Teahouse. ```Buster Seven Talk 18:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Timeline for accepted wikipedia page submission[edit]

Hi There, I've recently submitted a wikipedia page for Splice Machine. What is the time frame for getting this page accepted? Splice Machine 15:53, 16 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariela Weinberger (talkcontribs)

A few months due to the backlog.Mirror Freak 15:54, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Citing a movie as a reference[edit]

I hate it when this happens, I'm almost sure I've done this in the past but for some reason I can't remember and can't find the relevant documentation. I want to cite a talking head from a movie. The movie is about Margaret Mead and I want to quote at least one anthropologist. I have a draft in my sandbox btw. What I want to do is cite the specific time frame when the person is talking, something like minute = 20:02 - 25:04 but can't remember the appropriate keyword to use, minute doesn't work. Also, the video I want to reference is on Youtube. I know Youtube isn't normally a good source but in this case it's an educational video so no copyright issues, it says on the video something like "standard youtube license" and I think it adds to the verifiability if people can link directly to the actual source and watch for themselves, I assume that is OK in this situation? MadScientistX11 (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Without commenting on the veracity of a YouTube source (short answer: official channel, probably ok, uploaded by random unknown, probably not), you'll probably find {{Cite AV media}} is the reference template you'll need. Yunshui  13:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
(the relevant parameter being "time="). Yunshui  13:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
That's it! Have to bookmark that. I will double check, I think it's not a random user but not sure; if it is a random user this video is fairly essential to understanding the criticism of Mead's work so I can probably find some official version on Youtube or elsewhere. Thanks for the prompt reply, I've been tearing my hair (what little is left) out trying to figure that out. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 13:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

If I may add[edit]

The band is new and the person isn't all that popular in social media. What I have written is everything I can about the person.Also sorry about the spelling mistakes in my pervious post. Ashley.Cunningham (talk) 12:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello again, Ashley. I assume this is also about George Daniel (drummer)? Wikipedia doesn't care how popular a person is in social media. What it does care about, crucially, is whether reliable, independent sources (such as major newspapers, or websites with a good reputation for fact-checking) have written about the person. If they haven't yet done so, then the person is not notable, in Wikipedia's special sense of the word, and we cannot have an article about them. The point, I think, is that if the person hasn't been written about in reliable sources, then there is no information which is allowed to go in the article, so there cannot be an article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

No Wikipedia links when there are?[edit]

Im working on a page George_Daniel_(drummer) and I got a note that it has no links to any Wikipedia pages when it does. Can someone explain. I'd greatful2 appreciate it. Ashley.Cunningham (talk) 12:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Formatting fixes: turned the link (which wasn't even a link because there wasn't a space before it) into a wikilink, and removed the space before the signature. --ColinFine (talk) 14:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Ashley. Yobot (which is a bot, not a person) correctly spotted that the article contained no wikilinks at all. While it did in fact have links to other Wikipedia articles, they were:
  1. presented as external links, which is not recommended
  2. directed to the mobile version of Wikipedia, which is undesirable
  3. formatted as references, which they are not (references point to reliable sources which support statements made in the text; wikilinks are aids to the reader, and point to Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects - which are not reliable sources).
Fuhghettaboutit replaced these with proper wikilinks, and then replaced the message with a different one. --ColinFine (talk) 17:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

editing information on a brand's page - by a member of the company[edit]

I would like to make edits to the following page:

I am a representative of the company and therefore a reliable source. Is there a process I have to go through to prove this or is there somewhere I send the relevant information I want to add to the page and they edit it on my behalf etc. For example, we (Hardy Amies Ltd) have just opened a new store at No.8 Savile Row and I need to add details of this to the page. There is also information that needs deleting as it is replicated on the 'Sir Edwin Hardy Amies' page ( which is more about the brand's founder as opposed to the brand today. Thank you in advance for your help. (talk) 11:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey I don't think that being part of the company actually makes you a reliable source. With that logic, a Christian could say that because he/she's a Christian, that god is real.Mirror Freak 12:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I meant reliable as in not a random member of the public. But thank you for your help anyway (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
As an employee, you have a conflict of interest with Wikipedia in regards to the article about your company - you're therefore strongly advised against editing the article directly. However, you can, as you suggest, get someone without a COI to edit the page for you. Go to the article's talkpage and add a new section with your suggested changes. At the top of your comments, add the following code: {{Request edit}}. This will alert other users to the fact that an edit has been requested, and they can then evaluate your proposed changes and, if appropriate, implement them.
You will, however, need to make sure that you include actual reliable sources for any changes you want made - without sources, your edit request is liable to be rejected out of hand. Yunshui  14:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
That's great, thank you so much for your help Yunshui - much appreciated! (talk) 17:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
What about my help!!!!!!!!! Just kidding. hahahaMirror Freak 20:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Why my article is going to be deleted?[edit]

My page about product of company I work for is under Speedy deletion issues. But this page is very similar to other pages of products of the same category on Wikipedia. Why one articles can stay and others (like mine) shall be deleted if they are in fact similar?Jan Goldewski (talk) 09:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Jan Goldewski welcome to the Tea House
I may be wrong, your article is written in promotional tone.
Also as you work for the company it is "Conflict of Interests"
May be senior editors like ColinFine will tell you more how to submit article about your company. If you scroll down this page you will see "How can I update company information inline with Wikipedia rules?" which is similar to your issue.
Aftab Banoori (Talk) 09:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

How do you create an infobox[edit]

I have been searching and asking on how to create an infobox to a certain person on a Wikipedia article but can never get a straight answer on how to. Can someone please help?

Thanks, Septinlas (Beau) Septinlas (talk) 06:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Beau, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have found two different ways to do this: an easy way and a hard way. The hard way is to follow the instructions at Template:Infobox person (actually, it's not a bad idea to scan over that anyway). The easier way is to find another article which looks similar to what you want, and copy the code from there. Just click the Edit tab, select the Infobox section, copy and then paste it into your article. Be aware that there are many different styles of infoboxes, for scientists and musicians and politicians and military people etc, so use the one which best suits your subject. Alternative templates are listed at WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes. --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:49, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you --Gronk Oz for the answer I've been waiting for!

Septinlas (talk) 07:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Septinlas. Just to add on to Gronk Oz's answer, infoboxes are neither required nor prohibited for articles according to WP:INFOBOXUSE. There are lots of featured articles which have infoboxes and lots which do not. Therefore, adding an infobox to an existing article needs to be assessed on a case-by-case basis and should be discussed beforehand on the article's talk page to see if there's a consensus for adding one. Like any other edit, an infobox should improve a reader's understanding of the article in question. Whether other similar articles have one or not can be helpful as a guide, but an infobox shouldn't really be added just for the sake of adding an one. In fact, in some cases an infobox can actually be more of a "disinfobox" which serves no real purpose.
So, if you're talking about adding an infobox to a new article you're creating, then I suggest carefully considering if it is absolutely needed to improve the reader's understanding. Maybe ask at any relevant WikiProjects to see if they have any guidelines regarding infobox usage or specific advice. If you're talking about adding an infobox to an existing article, especially one that has existed for a long time with out one, then you should discuss it on the article's talk page first to see what the consensus might be. Make sure to check the talk page's archives, if there are any, because it's possible that the subject came up before and the consensus was not to add one. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Some is posting a ling at the top of article I posted[edit]

I started an article called Redstone Building in 2007. A person named CTF83! has posted a link to a music event in Iowa where a similar building exists at the top of the page. Shouldn't this be done elsewhere, like the "Redstone" disambiguation page? There is no full article about the other "Redstone Building" in Iowa, apparently which is where the person is from. Shouldn't they start their own Redstone Building page rather than using the top of the page in San Francisco?

Energynet (talk) 01:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@Energynet: What you seen is what's known as a hatnote. Its main purpose is to direct readers from an article they may have reached by accident to an article they were trying to reach. In this case the hatnote is okay, because the other building is known as the Redstone Building and thus someone searching for it would find the article on your Redstone Building instead. --Jakob (talk) 02:14, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


As a relatively new contributor, I have recently created 3 articles which are currently somewhere in the review backlog; not a problem they'll get seen eventually. My question is; when should categories be added to new articles & where/how does one find a list of categories to "choose" from as it were? Eagleash (talk) 00:11, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Hi Eagleash. You can add categories now, but you should not make them live. There are a few ways of doing so. What I suggest is placing them, but surrounding them in nowiki tags – that is, place <nowiki> before them and </nowiki> after them, which is a way of saying to the software, "don't treat this wiki markup as meaningful". For example:


To find categories, I have always found it easiest to navigate to a few articles on similarly situated topics and see what categories are being used (well developed articles are usually more useful than less for this). For example, for the draft on David Paine, I'd look at a bunch of the articles on other Crystal Palace F.C. players and the same for Leyton Orient F.C. players. If you want to just browse, you might start at Portal:Contents/Categories. If you want to see every category ever (and be able to search that massive list alphabetically) go to Special:Categories. Note that there's a tool called Wikipedia:HotCat that some users use. I personally have not. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:31, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
@Fuhghettaboutit: Thanks; I will add a couple of basic categories using the notation you suggest & then await acceptance (or not!) before going any further with it. Eagleash (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I need help with my first article. Free Rider HD[edit]

Here is the Decline message that I got... What should I change?

AFC-Logo Decline.svg
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Dominic951Dominic951 (talk) 23:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Dominic, and thanks for coming by the Teahouse! Your draft article was rejected because it isn't written like a good encyclopedia article should be written. It includes highly promotional language, of a sort that you'd find in a video game review or an advertisement for the game (like "an addicting game" and "Thousands of tracks, challenge friends, draw a track and more!"). It includes gameplay instructions that would be better suited to a video game manual or strategy guide (like "Undo(Shift + Z): To undo the last drawn line, power-up, or goal"). And most importantly of all, it doesn't cite any reliable third-party sources, which means no one who reads your article has any way to verify the information in the article.
My suggestion would be to look at some high-quality existing video game articles. A good model might be Crayon Physics Deluxe, which is fairly basic but demonstrates appropriate tone and referencing.
If you have further questions, feel free to ask!
-- Powers T 00:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Powers, I was wondering if you could give me a hand maybe. Change some things and tell me why you changed them. I would appreciate it. Thanks for the help anyway.

Question: What do you mean 3rd-party sources? What should I do to change this.

Thanks again, Dominic. — Preceding undated comment added 01:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi again, Dominic. I'm afraid I can't fix your article for you, because I don't know anything about the game, and I don't know where to find sources for it. I can tell you that a third-party source is one that is independent of the game developer (the developer is the first party, and Wikipedia is the second party), like a gaming magazine or other independent author. Powers T 14:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Isn't the link a third-party? Or a source?

Dominic951 (Talk)

Creating a new article while first one is waiting for review[edit]

I just created my very first article from scratch, and submitted it for review :-) Unfortunately I got a message that it could take up to a month for it to be reviewed. I'd like to work on another article now. Can I safely delete what's in my personal sandbox? Can I create a second sandbox to use for the second article? Although I've kept a copy of the edit code from the article elsewhere, I'm afraid of losing my place in the reviewing queue. How do I do it?Shandong44 (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

You can have as many sandboxes in your userspace as you like, so for example you could click these red links to create User:Shandong44/sandbox2, User:Shandong44/sandbox3, User:Shandong44/blue sandbox, User:Shandong44/red sandbox, and/or User:Shandong44/draft article about Purple Unicorn Theory. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Why did an image disappear after my edit?[edit]

After this edit of mine, I do not see the image (Wappen_Bistum_Utrecht.png) which was visible in the Template:Infobox former country prior to my edit. I used the .png with and without underscores in the filename. What did I do? and how do I correct it? —BoBoMisiu (talk) 19:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello BoBoMisiu and welcome to the Teahouse. The map disappeared because you removed the "_"'s in the file name for the picture. All these filenames for pictures work the same way as web addresses work: There can be no space between the words, it must all be connected. If you just replace "Wappen Bistum Utrecht.png" with "Wappen_Bistum_Utrecht.png" it will work again. Best, w.carter-Talk 20:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
It was without _ prior to my edit and I added _ with this edit but I did not see it. I just added the _ but the image is still not visible. --BoBoMisiu (talk) 20:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
It was a simple fix and someone beat me to it, but it is now corrected.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
It is mis-typed in the Template:Infobox_former_country blank that I cut and pasted. --BoBoMisiu (talk) 20:31, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Ever fantastic ColinFine found the missing bit. :) w.carter-Talk 20:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I was going to come back and say I'd fixed it, BoBoMisiu, but Mark Miller beat me back here. I was busy putting an edit request at Template Talk:infobox former country, because I believe you simply copied the arguments from there, and the error is already in the text on that page.
Yes check.svg Done. --ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. --BoBoMisiu (talk) 20:35, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

How do I center a thumbnail image?[edit]

I am trying for ...some hours now, to center an thumbnail image, because the default thumbnail is cuting the face I have to put to the biographical article of my boss. If I don't solve it until tomorrow I am fired... I thought wikipedia works as any other editing programs, but it seems it is quite rigid, because I cannot move the image in no way to center it. I am no expert in IT, but all other programs I used worked easier... What the hell dudes, can't you make something to work? Please!!! George Tiugea George.tiugea (talk) 19:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, George; I'm sorry for your frustration. Can you tell us what image you're trying to use? Our thumbnails display entire images, just at reduced size, so I'm not sure how the image is being incorrectly cropped. If you can be very specific with the problem you're having, we can take a look and try to help. Powers T 19:31, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
It is just a regular .jpg (talk) 19:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added the image to her article. At this link you can see the change I made; hopefully it helps you add images to articles in the future.
I do have some concerns about the image you uploaded, though. Did you really take the photo yourself? And if so, did you do it as part of your official on-the-job duties? That can all affect the copyright status of the work. Powers T 19:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
And George.tiugea, if your job really does depend on updating the Wikipedia article about your boss, then I suggest you get another job as soon as possible, because you have been charged with something that is difficult if not impossible. First of all, read (and show her) our policy on conflict of interest, so that she understands that neither she nor you has any control over the page, and can only suggest changes to be made to it. --ColinFine (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • It appears the image was previously published off Wikipedia and will therefore require OTRS permissions or the image could be deleted as a copyright issue.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Well there you go. I didn't think to look on Wikipedia for it.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
@Powers: Thank you very much for your help! I took the picture myself and it had nothing to do with the job connection at that time, I took it as a friend, and now I added in order to SHARE it with the public.

@ColinFine, Demiurge1000: I just entered this chat looking for HELP not lecturing about presumptions of something I did not do. I simply posted an informative article, having no direct relation with my job connection. All the information can be checked on the external links and more references will be added soon. I admit I added some drama to the job issue, but that was only meant to help improve the article nothing more. The final purpose was to have better information about a subject. I thought this was a place of free speech not of harassment with all sorts of accusations... Maybe I was wrong... but only in this respectGeorge.tiugea (talk) 09:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

That's fine, the lectures are free. As a Junior Wrangler at the Teahouse, though, I must point out that neither Wikipedia nor the Teahouse are Speakers' Corner; we are not here as an unrestricted forum for "free speech". We are here to build an encyclopedia; and we hope you will join us in doing so. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Can't locate initial article I was working on last week. Said it would be available[edit]

Hello, I initiated an article last week and was told it would be saved for months. I've been searching for a "Draft" section or similar, but to no avail. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Paulcyr (talk) 18:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Paulcyr. Is it Draft:William Xifaras: From Prison to Motion Pictures? By the way you can see all your edits here. --NeilN talk to me 18:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes it is Neil, can you tell I'm new to Wiki? Paulcyr (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you NeilN, much appreciated. Paulcyr (talk) 18:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
@Paulcyr: Happy to help! We were all new here once. --NeilN talk to me 18:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay, well thanks again, and a pleasure to meet you. Paulcyr (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

How to create an article for an author's novel[edit]

On editing an author's page I want to write a synopsis of one of the author's titles. I can only do this on the page itself. I cannot create another page - when I try using title it just redirects back to the author's page. How do I create a new page?S.tollyfield (talk) 16:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could create a new article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. However, before doing so, you should check that the book meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. If there have not been multiple full length reviews of the book in independent reliable sources like newspapers or magazines, then it is likely the book does not meet the criteria and therefore does not merit a separate Wikipedia article. Press releases or material produced by the publisher or on bookseller sites like Amazon does not count. Incidentally, the formal notability guideline for books is at Wikipedia:Notability (books). Arthur goes shopping (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
If I may, I believe the problem is that the title of the book is currently a redirect to the author's article. When you search for the book's title, and are redirected to the author's article, up at the top underneath the author's name, there should be a link that says "(Redirected from _______)", with the name of the book linked. You can click on that link and it will take you to the redirect page, which you can then edit as you would any other page on the wiki. Powers T 19:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, S.tollyfield. As well as the notability issues pointed to by Arthur goes shopping, please also look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction. I am concerned that you say you want to write a synopsis - the page I just linked to says " Strictly avoid creating pages consisting only of a plot summary". If there is nothing more to say about a book than to give a plot summary, then the book is almost certainly not notable (in the special Wikipedia sense referred to by Arthur goes shopping), and we should not have a separate article about it. --ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I have submitted an article for review as suggested - however I do not see how I can add anything to say why the book is notable. In my view this is because there is an autobiographical element, i.e. based where the author has lived. The locations are all real and can be referenced. Also the plot relies on historical facts and genuine local myths which can also be referenced S.tollyfield (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

How can I update company information inline with Wikipedia rules?[edit]

Sorry if this is a common question I am a newbie here. I would like to add information to the page of the company that I work for - company size/location/history/management etc. It is in no way promotional, and is in line with information our competitors within the industry have on their pages (uk insurance and finance) How can I update this in line with the Wikipedia guidelines - what is best practice in this situation? thank youPagetta (talk) 09:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Pagetta welcome to Tea House
I suggest you reading Wikipedia:Conflict of interest before submitting your article.
As you work for the company, it is COI. Wikipedia encourages neutral point of view,
which seems difficult when one has a link.
Aftab Banoori (Talk) 11:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Pagetta. Aftab Banoori has pointed you at the right page, but hasn't directly advised you what to do. If there is material you think should be changed,
  • Find reliable published sources for the information (for uncontoversial factual information such as size, location and names of officers, the company's own website will be adequate, but for anything which has even a whiff of opinion or judgment, it needs to be a source independent of the company).
  • Post your suggested changes, with references, on the article's talk page.
  • Optionally (especially if the talk page does not get much traffic), insert the template {{Edit request}} on the talk page.
At risk of seeming to be picky, I'd like to point out that neither your company nor its competitors have a page in Wikipedia. Wikipedia has pages about them. Wikipedia is interested in having encyclopaedic pages on notable subjects, not in any aspect of the rivalry between companies (unless that rivalry has itself been written about in reliable sources). --ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

How can I find an appropriate image for an article easily?[edit]

I am currently editing an article that could really benefit with an image, however I am unsure how to find and then upload an image that meets Wikipedia's strict guidelines. I have found plenty of excellent images on sites such as Flickr but am unsure whether these are acceptable.

Many thanks.

Edgeorge92 (talk) 10:31, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Edgeorge92
You can request for a image by placing
{{reqphoto}} template in a Talk page of the article.
This may also help you Wikipedia:Requested pictures#Posting a request
Aftab Banoori (Talk) 13:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Try looking in the appropriate sections of Wikimedia SovalValtos (talk) 14:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Edgeorge92 and welcome to the Teahouse. On Flickr, images that are acceptable for use here must have a Creative Commons license, and that license cannot be non-commercial. You can actually use Flickr's search engine to restrict your results to only those images. Once you're looking at some search results, you'll see at the top three drop-downs: "Sort", "Search", and "License". Click where it says "License: Any License", and when the list drops down, select BOTH "Commercial use allowed" and "Modifications allowed". The images that remain are most likely eligible to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons for use on Wikipedia.
An alternative is to use Google Image Search. They also have an advanced search mode which allows to you restrict your search results to only those images that are free for commercial use and can be freely modified. Many of the results you see from Google will already be on Wikipedia, meaning you don't need to upload them!
Hope this helps! Powers T 19:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Article was rejected[edit]

I would like to know the reason for my article to get declined, so that I could rectify my mistakes.

elaangovanElaangovans (talk) 08:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Elaangovans. Welcome to the Teahouse! The decline reason was posted at the top of your sandbox. "This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research." In other words, it's more suitable for a personal blog rather than an encyclopedia. --NeilN talk to me 14:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

How to make starting lineup diagrams for association football matches.[edit]

Just wondering how to make diagrams like this. SwahiliChese (talk) 03:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello SwahiliChese and welcome to the Teahouse. The diagram you have found is not something generated by the Wikipedia code. It is a picture created by someone and uploaded to the Commons. I would have to guess that the creator of this picture, made it in Photoshop or some other image editing program. Bits of it may have been borrowed from the Category:"Template:Football kit" materials. The picture was made by Davykamanzi, maybe you could ask at his talk page. Best, w.carter-Talk 11:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

How to link a translated page to the original and give credit??[edit]

Sorry, I am a newbie. I've translated a page from the German Wikipedia entitled "Martin Schanz". I created the page by searching for that title in the English Wikipedia, hitting the create button, and pasting from my sandbox. Is there some simple way to link my English version to the German one and give credit to the originator. I've seen a reference to Wikidata. Do I use that somehow? Thanks for any and all help! JohnD'Alembert (talk) 21:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, JohnD'Alembert. Well done (for translating it: I've not reviewed the article; but on a quick look, it appears short on references). You must give the attribution; WP:translation says "Attribution in the edit summary and placing the template {{Translated page}} on the article talk page are the recommended ways to credit the source of the translation". To link to other language versions you do use Wikidata, but you hardly have to encounter it: just pick "Add links" by the "languages" header in the sidebar. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply! I see that language links have magically already appeared. I'll try to add that template. Progress! JohnD'Alembert (talk) 22:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello JohnD'Alembert, to add to the excellent answer given by ColinFine you can look at this talk page to see how this looks at an actual article. That article contains translations from two foreign articles. Best, w.carter-Talk 22:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

We're in good shape now. Looks great! I've learned to use my first template and the langauge link is where it should be. Thanks especially to ColinFine and W.carter1. JohnD'Alembert (talk) 08:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Issues[edit]

Hi Everyone. Unfortunately, I've been having major problems formatting the info box for CCGS Moytel. Is anyone with more experience able to help me out?

Thanks :) Orcair (talk) 20:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Orcair and Welcome to the Teahouse, you simply forgot the closing brackets and the first part of the infobox. I've fixed it for you. More info at Template:Infobox ship career. Happy editing! w.carter-Talk 20:58, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much!

Orcair (talk) 02:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Issues and Music Sample Upload[edit]

Hello, Your site or (Fiddle Faddle ) has been helping me with my newly created Wikipedia page. I am new this community and would to ask if you would be so kind as to look at my page I created for Angel Session under my (talk:Demetrius Guidry) account that is currently under re-review.

Your site tagged me for references, which I hope I have fixed. Lately I have been tagged for Speedy Deletion of images because of not having copyright information on them. I hope I have fixed that issues, but I am not sure. I have also been tagged for a 60 second song sample because the tagger (Richard Yin) stated that the "Hearts of Broken Love.ogg) is "too short to identify the subject of the article."

Please look at everything I have done to fixed theses issues and tell me if my article is ready for acceptance into the Wikipedia site.

Lastly, is it possible that I can make a donation to your site to correct any issues that are still not correct?

Thank you, Demetrius Guidry Demetrius Guidry (talk) 17:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I have tried to help you with your draft article...I removed various external links. Wikipedia does not require ANY inline external links or links to Facebook Twitter etc. You have replaced them...I assure you, it will not help you get your article approved. Please also note that Wikipedia cannot reference itself. Theroadislong (talk) 19:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)



I've just downloaded a poster to add to the page:

But for some reason the poster isn't showing through. Not sure why. Any ideas, anyone please?

Beryl reid fan (talk) 17:02, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Beryl reid fan and welcome to Tea House
I have added the poster, but I am not sure if it is at appropriate place,
If it is wrong you can move it to right place.
Best wishes
Aftab Banoori (Talk) 17:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Posters are usually in the infobox so I have placed it there.[1] Beryl reid fan also tried that but it didn't work because there was a blank image parameter later in the infobox.[2] If there is more than one assignment of the same parameter name then the last overrides the others. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello PrimeHunter
Thanks, actually I tried it too, but I didn't know that, the last parameter
will override
Best wishes and thanks for useful info
Aftab Banoori (Talk) 19:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanking you both very much for this! Beryl reid fan (talk) 20:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

correction for RMS Sctyhia history[edit]

The Hungarian refugees from the revolution in 1956 travelled with me on the Scythia in November 1956 when we emigrated to Canada from the UK24.108.83.90 (talk) 06:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse....I think you may be in the wrong place. Please address any concerns over content of articles on the article talk page...however, your personal experiences are not reliable for mention.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
If you can persuade a respected newspaper or magazine to interview you, that might be good enough. You can use the article as a source.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion issues[edit]

My page about me is under Speedy deletion issues, I'm a new Lyricist in Tamil film Industry.Please give me Proper Instructions to guide me through. Essay Ric (talk) 05:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello @Essay Ric:. The answer is, you should not be writing pages about yourself under any circumstances. You should just go about your life, doing your job. If your life generates enough notice in reliable sources, eventually someone else will just write a Wikipedia article about you, ideally someone who never met you and has no interest in promoting your life work. See Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for more guidance. --Jayron32 05:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
It is highly discouraged but as yet is not a matter of "under any circumstances".--Mark Miller (talk) 08:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Under what circumstances should one start an autobiographical article on oneself? Powers T 12:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
One example, LtPowers, is when a person clearly meets the notability guidelines, such as a newly elected member of a state or provincial legislature. In such a case, the Articles for Creation process is recommended but not mandatory. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:07, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Nothing at Wikipedia is mandatory or forbidden in these situations. Creating autobiographies is forbidden only in the sense of "It has never once happened in the past that it worked out well, in all of the thousands and thousands of times people have tried it. That doesn't mean it couldn't work out in the future, but given the history of this, we'd be best just to recommend that people never do it". That's why we just tell people not to do it. It doesn't mean someone couldn't do it right. Hasn't happened yet (of if it has, it's happened so rarely as to be statistically indistinguishable from never). --Jayron32 19:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Assessment of article quality[edit]

Hello, I've always had the understanding that articles cannot be assessed by its contributors, but cannot find where I've read that.

As I've been researching this, I'm getting different information. I've seen references to project assessment teams. The Wikipedia:WikiProject New York project page, however, it says that any editor can assess an article. There's no stipulation about whether that editor contributed to the article or not.

Is there a global rule - or is it left up to each project to determine who should perform assessments?

Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 00:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse User:CaroleHenson! It depends on what the contributions are. Minor contributions such as spelling errors, fixing refs and categorisation wouldn't block people from assessing, but major contributors shouldn't be accessing their own articles' quality or importance, except to put them in the lowest possible category (class=stub/importance=low). Things like class=list are also OK, since that's not a quality assessment. I regularly create stubs and sometimes I classify them as class=stub/importance=low, but mostly I leave it to others. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, assessments are actually done by the involved participants under the project scope. It is not at all unusual. Most projects simply allow a member or other editor to give a quality assessment and importance rating. If there is a question you should ask at one of the projects involved. Some will have assessment pages to discuss the issue. GA and FA assesments are nominated by an involved contributor and the reviewed by an uninvolved editor.--Mark Miller (talk) 09:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I completely agree with your opinion, Stuartyeates. That's the way I've approached it, too. I don't assess articles that I've made a significant contribution to... but if I happen upon an article that would benefit from some minor tweaks and assessment, then I do that.
If I'm understanding you, Mark Miller, that except for GA and FA article reviews, it's acceptable for a major contributor to assess the article. Am I understanding you correctly?
Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it is. There is no policy or guideline that limits the contributor from rating the article, however, as you go past C class it might be more reliable to ask others opinion. Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment states this:"Generally an active project will develop a consensus, though be aware that different projects may use their own variation of the criteria more tuned for the subject area, such as this. Many projects have an assessment team. If you contribute a lot of content to an article you may request an independent assessment." Anything up to a C class is a matter of size so it in uncontroversial. B class or higher may request an independent assessment. GA and FA are always from an independent assessment.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:08, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Excellent clarification, thanks Mark Miller!--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at the different areas of Wiki and I found something offensive?[edit]

I found this article and I think it is sexist against females. Could it be removed? I also had to create this account as it said that my ip address would be visible, is that something to worry about? i don't want hackers to steal my ip address?Houllich (talk) 22:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

  • I actually agree and have no idea how that can be in the Wikipedia name space but Editor Retention can't.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
@Mark Miller: I'm confused. Wikipedia:Editor retention is in the Wikipedia namespace. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:01, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Nope. That's a project space. When I attempted to move it to the Wikipedia name space it was returned to the project space. Editor retention is a Wikiproject.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I think you're confused. The Wikipedia namespace is, literally, any article with the "Wikipedia:" namespace prefix. "Project space" is another name for the main namespace (without a prefix). Powers T 12:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
No, it can't be removed and you can let your IP address be seen. Don't worry.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't like the 'cutsie' little manga character either - mascot or no. I am an artist and remain clueless about this genre of art. Its something of a historical quasi-article. It happened and there isn't anything we can do about history. More women need to be involved to balance things out a bit.  Bfpage |leave a message  23:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Houllich, thanks for stopping by the Teahouse. First, no one can steal your IP address or gain access to your account, but your general location can generally be ascertained with it.
The situation with Wikipe-tan really depends on who you talk to. Without taking a stance on the matter, there have been many discussions about how appropriate this unofficial mascot is for the project. You should really read over some discussions to get some context:
It's also worth noting that Wikipe-tan is not in the article space and is not an official representation of the project. That said, you've noted your concerns at the talk page, which is probably the best place to begin this conversation. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Also note that Wikipedia talk:Wikipe-tan has a box saying "Deletion discussions". Click "show" there to see the below links. Wikipedia:Project namespace explains what the project namespace or Wikipedia namespace is. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I'm new to the wikipedia editing. My main interest is trading card games and I thought of sharing some of that information on the wiki. It's not difficult to make the pages of the cards in all various sets, but according to the reviewers it belongs in a game wiki, they back their judgment with the fact that you can read it off of the card if you play it in your deck, but in my opinion they miss the point. Some cards are more difficult to get (short print, appear only one time in an entire box,...) and that's the reason I wanted to make these pages, to offer info for the people who don't have those cards. I know my question is quite rough, but if there are questions, I'm open to try to answer all of them. Maskedbrawler (talk) 19:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Maskedbrawler. Any information added to Wikipedia has to comply with our content policies. One of these policies is that we do not allow original research. Any factual statements need to be verifiable, and you need to cite a reliable source. In other words, you can't add information that you have learned yourself as a hobbyist. You can add information cited, for example, to reliable books and magazines about the hobby. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:11, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I can cite the references without a problem, though I'd just need to learn how to put in citations. Maskedbrawler (talk) 08:50, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
WP:REFB is a good introduction to how to add citations, also known as references. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:11, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Editing a disambig page[edit]

My good-faith (and incomplete) edit, including a partial alphabetisation, on the disambig page for Norman Johnson was reverted. I'd welcome guidance.

I'd have thought that "Norm" should sort before "Norman".

It makes more sense to me, to arrange disambig pages by name rather than date. In either case, I cannot see why Norman Johnson (priest) should be the last in the list.

"American politician" was reverted to "Member of the Washington House of Representatives". Washington is a town in County Durham, UK; which I've visited - and afaik has no House of Representatives but is governed by a town council. Is there some other place with that name? (LOL - but deadly serious.)

Which is the preferred format for the birthdate of living people? I've seen both "born xxxx" and "xxxx-".

I find it helpful to see both dates and nationality in disambig pages. What's the general Wikipedia policy?

-) Narky Blert (talk) 23:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Hey there @Narky Blert:! You might find Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages useful, but it's long and arcane, the most relevant bit there is in the ordering section, where it says "Within each group within a section, and within each non-subdivided section, entries should be ordered to best assist the reader in finding their intended article. This might mean in decreasing order of likelihood as user's target, alphabetically, chronologically, or geographically, not to the exclusion of other methods." It seems to me that, for people, chronologically by their birth date is the most logical way of ordering them; most other pages that disambiguate people by their name do the same. See John Smith for example; within each section it is ordered by date. Insofar as Norman Johnson doesn't have sections, I would order the whole thing by birth date. Also, This page gives guidance for doing dates at Wikipedia. It recommends using "Born XXXX" for people still living. I hope that helps! --Jayron32 00:08, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
As for your specific point about the member of the Washington House of Representatives, please note the blue link here and on the disambiguation page. So, if a reader wonders whether a town in County Durham has such an institution, they can click that link to check. In the far more likely case that someone is looking for another politician with the same or similar name, the current wording best assists the reader, in my view. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:36, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, both:-) Narky Blert (talk) 10:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Following the advice of you both, I've re-edited that page. How does it look now? (My peeve wasn't that my edits had been changed (I often thank improvers), but that they'd been wholly reverted without explanation - in a couple of cases for no good reason that I could see, such as changing the birthdate format back to a disapproved form, and the removal of a birthdate.) Narky Blert (talk) 23:42, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Create brand new article - some norms confusing[edit]


Iam new to wikipedia though made edits recently. I wish to submit brand new article but stuck with some issues. Pls clarify... sorry If Iam asking too many queries!but cant help

1.While we need to support article with references citing web links but at the same time constrains me not to give 3rd party info.
2. As a registered user, can I include images in my new article
3. Wiki can make simple the whole process of writing new articles with a single hyperlink that takes me to create new article. As of now, help for editing more elaborate but "create" is under wraps!!
4. In mobile version, can I use sandbox? Can I submit new article?

Nrajarao (talk)NRaja — Preceding undated comment added 06:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Nrajarao. Welcome to the Teahouse.
1 I don’t understand what you mean. References are supposed to be 3rd party. What makes you think otherwise?
2 Yes, see Help:Files for an overview. Copyright considerations make images a little complicated for images you did not create entirely by yourself.
3 Have you tried the Wikipedia:Article wizard. I confess that I have never used it myself (I became an experienced editor before it was created). But I understand it makes things really easy for new editors.
4 I have never used the mobile version except that I just checked that I can do an edit. Since I can do an edit I assume that it works for using the sandbox (which is just an editable page) and submitting an article (which is a matter of clicking a button). —teb728 t c 07:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Nrajarao. The trouble with providing a single simple link to create a new article is that writing a new article which won't get deleted is hard. It is much better to get familiar with editing Wikipedia articles first, and then move to creating a new article. If there were a single link to create one (and there nearly is, because if a registered user searches for an article which doesn't exist, it will offer them the option of creating it), we would probably just get more unacceptable articles which would need to be deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

how can i make edits to protected items[edit]

how can i make edits to protected pages like countries pages and i wanted to know should i get some special stars to make edits to such protected pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemanth surapaneni 007 (talkcontribs) 06:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Hemanth surapaneni 007. If you want to make changes to protected pages, you need to make a request on the talk page of the relevant article. Create a new section (pick the '+' or 'new section' at the top) and explain precisely what you want to change and why, with references if you are proposing to insert material. If the page does not get a lot of traffic, you could add the template {{edit protected}} to your section, to draw people's attention to it. --ColinFine (talk) 20:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)



I am new to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

I am planning on retrieving desired information's from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as well as Rationalwiki, mix and match the information's from several articles, thereafter I need it rewritten, I am looking for volunteer(s) who can help me rewriting the desired information’s. I'll be grateful if someone (or more than one person) can help me with this.


I am having difficulties understanding the Wikipedia and Rationalwiki copyrights 'terms and conditions'. I have read through the following links: <> | <> | <> | <> | <> | <>, and everything that is linked and connected with them. It was mind boggling for me because it seemed like there are few catches here and there, e.g., the 'Notices' section from the first link provided; the second paragraph... I'll be grateful if someone (or more than one person) can help me with this in a step by step manner, guide me after [as well as themselves] after reading and understanding the links provided so that none of us violate the copyrights ‘terms and conditions’ of Wikipedia as well as Rationalwiki. Also, please direct me where to insert the information that I wish for to be re-written for further corrections.

Kind regards, (talk) 07:23, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I don't know much about this, but it seems to me that it may be relevant what it is you are going to do with the information.
Nearly all the content of Wikipedia is licensed under CC-BY-SA, which means that it may be reused for any purpose as long as it is properly attributed: see WP:REUSE. The exception is certain files (nearly all of them images) which are used under Wikipedia's non-free content criteria. From the link you give, RationalWiki seems to have a similar situation, but I've no idea how frequent or pervasive is the material in it which is not so licensed.
Hello Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content would be another page to add to your reading list. It addresses directly reuse of Wikipedia material. —teb728 t c 19:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)