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Any tips for my first article?[edit]

I have submitted this article for review as I believe it has sufficient information regarding the renowned video maker Dimitri Devyatkin. If you have any time, please skim through and help me stylistically and thoroughly edit anything that is off. Thank you very much! Paveld6 (talk) 08:21, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Is it pompous to merely make an edit due to grammar?[edit]

Every now and then I see an obvious grammatical error. I am proud to be a part of Wikipedia. Is it proper to edit content for grammar?25thfret (talk) 00:55, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Yep. Go for it.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:57, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Any edit, no matter how small, helps improve Wikipedia - and is encouraged! Small edits for things such as grammar are considered "minor", and can be marked as such by checking the box labelled "This is a minor edit" below the edit summary. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:59, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
The best advice editors can give on Wikipedia can be summed up by two words: Be Bold! If you see anything—be it grammar, spelling, content, or images—that needs to be corrected, you are encouraged to be bold and correct it. Don't take it personally if your edits are reverted at first. It's all part of the process to gain knowledge. It is important, however, that you be bold, but not reckless. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 02:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

How to edit page title?[edit]

Hi--How do I correct a typo in a page title (in this case, it's the name of a person)? The name is spelled correctly everywhere else in the article but there, and it's the only place I can't find a way to edit. I'm brand new at this. Thanks for your help. Sttrs (talk) 23:37, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Instead of "editing" the page title, we refer to "moving" the page to the new title. See Wikipedia:Moving a page for information about doing this. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:44, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello Sttrs, welcome to the Teahouse. In order to rename a page and move it to a new title, your account needs to be autoconfirmed, which means your account needs to be at least 4 days old and has to have made at least 10 edits. After your account surpasses 4 days and 10 edits, you will see a dropdown tab labelled "More" next to the "Read", "Edit", and "View history" tabs. This new "More" dropdown will contain a button that will let you move pages. If you don't want to wait, I or another Teahouse host can perform the renaming for you. —Mz7 (talk) 02:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
You may wish to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Article titles which has the basic guidelines for naming articles. There are some limitations. Also, and I am not saying this is the case, but sometimes article titles will indeed differ from the spelling in the body. This may be due to a consensus to title the article in a specific manner per a discussion or the MOS. Also, some special characters cannot be used in the title due to the nature of Wikipedia mark up to recognize these characters as code which causes issues with the mark up on the page itself.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Where do I begin?[edit]

Hi, pretty new to wikipedia editing. I made my first article years ago and went back to look at it a few weeks ago and was glad to find someone had tagged it for improvement. But what do I do to help make it better? What else can I do to improve that article and others and help out with wikipedia? Is there some sort of mentoring program or a novice wikipedian workshop or something? Here is my, admittedly awful, article

Ultan42 (talk) 22:23, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ultan42, I'll admit I've seen worse articles, if that is of any comfort. Well done for having a go! Some of the 'clean-up templates' seemed to be over-the-top so I've removed them, to help you pin point the main problems. The very fundamentals of Wikipedia are that subjects need to be "notable" enough to be included in the encylopedia and, secondly, that the information is verifiable. You can read Wikipedia's golden rule for ideas about how to prove someone is widely known/important enough for Wikipedia. 'Verifiable' is more self-explanatory - cite a reliable source that confirms the facts/claims are true.
On your other questions, I'll leave someone else to answer them, but there are very many useful tasks you can help with (besides writing articles) which will give you good experience about how Wikipedia works. Good luck! Sionk (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Ultan42, and welcome to the Teahouse. One good place to start is with reliable sources. You likely have books (or e-books, of course), and magazines about subjects that you like, or maybe a newspaper subscription that others might not be able to read. If you find some interesting information on one of them, and find it missing or unsourced in Wikipedia, you can add it in your own words to an article about that topic, and include a reference to your document. Most importantly, choose topics that you enjoy, and have fun! —Anne Delong (talk) 01:55, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
@Ultan42: Sionk and Anne Delong have given you some good advice. With regards to a "mentoring program" on Wikipedia, we do have what we call the Adopt-a-user program. See Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user for more information on what it is, and if you are interested, head to the Adoptee's Area. If you seek any more advice about Wikipedia editing, you are more than welcome to return to this Teahouse! Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 02:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I very much doubt that this is the case, but I was writing a new article when my computer crashed. There's no chance it is autosaved somewhere on Wikipedia, is there? Thanks, Matty.007 18:20, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

@Matty.007: I'm not sure. Sometimes when my browser crashes, I can restore the session without losing any work. Maybe you'll have that option, but I don't know for sure. --Jakob (talk) 19:17, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
If you happen to use Chrome, Safari, or Firefox, I highly recommend downloaded the browser extension Lazarus. It autosaves form data as you go, so you can restore it in the event that your browser crashes, computer turns off, etc. It's saved my back a good number of times. There are also other similar browser extensions out there that do the same thing, if Lazarus doesn't float your boat. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 19:24, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I've simply re-written the content now (on a Commenwealth GB gold winner), but I'll take a look at Lazarus. Thanks both for the help, Matty.007 19:29, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Totally new here. Could I write a page about a musician/bowmaker what looks like this?[edit]

Basil de Visser

Basil de Visser (born 22 March 1956, Amsterdam) is a Dutch baroque violinist and bowmaker. Basil began playing the violin at the age of 12, and later went on to study violin with Jaap Schröder at the Amsterdam Conservatoire. It was his baroque violin playing which first sparked his interest in this instrument. After graduation he spent three years studying baroque violin with Lucy van Dael. In 1988, Basil was invited to join the Tafelmusik Baroque Orchestra in Toronto, Canada. It was there that he began making historical bows under the guidance of Stephen Marvin, who learnt the craft from the master bow maker William Salchow in New York. Two years later he returned to Amsterdam, where he now works as a bow maker and baroque violinist. Bowmaker (talk) 15:26, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi there Bowmaker and welcome to the Teahouse! Your draft currently has a few issues—namely the use of peacock terms. Wikipedia is supposed to be written from a neutral point of view (representing all viewpoints fairly and without bias), and words such as "beautiful", "wonderful", and "celebrated" impart very little real information beyond promoting the subject. If you are considering writing an article, a good place to start would be to read Wikipedia:Your first article and following the Article Wizard. Wikipedia articles generally require that you cite your sources. Help:Referencing for beginners will show you how to do that. A test I often recommend is the amnesia test:
  1. Forget everything you know about the subject you want to write about—act as if you know nothing.
  2. Go online and do research on the subject, focusing more closely on third-party news sources and less on sources affiliated with the subject; be sure to check the reliability of the sources
  3. From your research, and your research only, write an article
  4. If you find that there are few or no sources to use, the subject may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.
If you need any help, feel free to ask at this Teahouse again! Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Mz7! Would this more agreeable? I will study your suggestions! Bowmaker (talk) 19:45, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg You're welcome! Mz7 (talk) 03:00, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Inputs Feedback on new article[edit]

Created Pregna_International today on behalf of Pregna International. Am new to wikipedia.

Not sure about how to add the logo. Also is this on the right track. Your inputs would be highly appreciated.

Also if ok... how to move this to the main article zone on wikipedia.

Pregna International (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Pregna International, welcome to the Teahouse. I see you are currently blocked for using a shared account but if you see this... Your draft is too promotional for the article zone. Please read our conflict of interest guidelines and notability guidelines. If the subject is notable, best let someone else create an article. Also, as the logo is copyrighted, it can only show up in article space, not in a draft per our copyright guidelines. --NeilN talk to me 15:59, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

No admin is closing Tfd![edit]

I have listed a Tfd, Template:Report vandalism. Now the 7 days is up, and i don't think the Tfd should still be open. I can't wait!S/s/a/z-1/2 (talk) 12:59, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi S/s/a/z-1/2, welcome to the Teahouse. As Wikipedia is a volunteer effort, things get done when they get done. It'll be closed sooner or later, just have to be a bit patient. Is there a specific reason why this is urgent? --NeilN talk to me 15:51, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Can I post images (taken during WWII) from negatives inherited from my father?[edit]

I have several hundred negatives made during WWII aboard my father's ship. These negatives have been in my fathers possession since 1945. He is deceased and I am the owner of the negatives.

I am writing an article about his ship and want to use several of the images of the ship and crew. May I post the images in Wikipedia? If so under what category?

I tried to figure this out myself, but could not find a clear category. This is my first article.

Thank you.

Emerdog (talk) 23:29, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
Unfortunately no, just owning the negative does not give the possessor the copyright. Copyright is maintained by the original photographer.....unless the photographs were created by the US government. Sometimes photographic negatives are given to a particular person and the rights waived or transferred to the new owner. This must have been explicitly stated at the time the negatives were handed over.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
That's clear enough and the same conclusion I was reaching. Too bad. Thank you for taking time to explain this to me. I will just not post the images here.

Emerdog (talk) 23:44, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Emerdog, and welcome to the Teahouse. Since you have so many photos, they have to be sorted and categorized with the help of someone who really know about photos, copyrights, etc. I would suggest that you take your questions to the Wikipedia Commons (the "picture-library" for all things Wiki). Ask for help at their Village Pump, where you can find people who are experienced in things like this, and start up a discussion. Some pictures may be free to use and some may not be (copyrights are different in different countries), but those that are would probably be a very welcome addition to the Commons, and once uploaded there, pictures can be used by all the Wikipedias around the world as well as by you in an article here. Best, w.carter-Talk 00:06, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello Emerdog! Here's something that may be helpful. Any photograph taken by an employee of the federal government in the course of their duties is public domain. This includes members of the armed forces. So, the photos may very well be public domain (though I am not entirely certain). Howicus (Did I mess up?) 00:28, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I think that applies if they take the photos as part of their duties, but not if they take personal photos while on duty. Formerip (talk) 00:32, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
You can look at this photo and read the exact words of the license Formerip and Howicus mention. But it's best to ask someone who really knows. I have been thoroughly helped by kind users at the Commons in similar matters. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 01:39, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both for your comments and suggestions. I will definitely ask for some help at the Commons.

Unfortunately, these pictures were not taken as part of "their duties". However, there are some great images and it would be a shame to keep them "under wraps".

Since they are now over 70 years old, is there any chance they are in the public domain and no longer subject to copyright?

Emerdog (talk) 03:02, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Emerdog. Let me offer a slightly different perspective. First of all, we have to assume that the photos are still copyrighted since they were taken after 1923, and your father took them while off-duty and not under government orders. Mark Miller is correct that just owning a negative does not mean owning the copyright. So, if someone buy a bunch of photo negatives from a garage sale, that person does not own the copyrights. However, if you inherited these images as part of your father's estate, then you own both the negatives and the copyrights, and in my humble opinion, are free to upload the photos to Wikimedia Commons. Copyrights are intellectual property that can be conveyed through a will or a legal trust. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:51, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello Emerdog. Upon your father's death any copyrights he owned must have passed to someone. If you are the sole inheritor of your father's estate then you must own the copyrights as well. If your father's estate was divided (perhaps among your siblings) and it is not clear who owns the copyrights, an agreement between yourselves to release the photos under a free license should be OK. --LukeSurl t c 13:54, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both for your comments and suggestions. Unfortunately, my father did not take these images and never held the "copyright". I don't think the crew would have thought much about such things during the war as they took and shared images.

I recollect that most of the images were said to have been taken by one crewman who, last I knew, was living in California. If he can acknowledge taking the photographs and is willing to allow their upload, would that suffice?

If so, what evidence of this permission would be needed?

Thanks again for your assistance.

Emerdog (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

@Emerdog: Basically, the owner of the copyright would need to send an e-mail to, agreeing to the posting of the photos under a suitable license. Instructions and a sample of an acceptable e-mail message can be found at Commons:Email_templates. Deor (talk) 17:32, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that would be enough to upload the images...if the original photographer is available through e-mail to confirm the permissions through OTRS. Cullen328 is correct that, should your father have been the original photographer and you inherited the negatives, you would then become the copyright holder. Here is something I had forgotten about and may have some impact (ask at Wikimedia Commons) There is another copyright issue that may impact the upload in your favor Emerdog and that is, photos taken from 1923 to 1977 that have not been registered for copyright, or were not re-registered at the needed time may be in the public domain. I will look further into this but, you should certainly ask at Commons as there are experts that have better knowledge on this specific copyright law. The issue is (I believe), if published. If they were never published, I think the copyright stays with the original photographer.--Mark Miller (talk) 17:43, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, Mark Miller, that is my understanding as well. The photos would have had to have been published for that "loophole" to apply. I believe that unpublished photos or negatives taken since 1923 are covered by copyright, unless there is specific evidence otherwise. Sorry for assuming the OP's father took the photos. This is tricky business. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:01, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
It can be a full time job just trying to understand the copyright laws of just the US...not to mention international laws and how Wikipedia and Commons handle them. Makes my head spin.--Mark Miller (talk) 18:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Boldface and underlining in grammar articles[edit]

Many articles related to grammar use boldface and underlining to identify parts of sample sentences. Are there any ongoing or past discussions about guidelines for doing this consistently and more in line with MOS:BOLD?

The article I am working on is starting to look frightful with all the boldface I added. I wonder if there is a better approach. Whikie (talk) 20:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Whikie, welcome back to the Teahouse! I think italics are more appropriate for this; MOS:ITALICS/MOS:EMPHASIS recommends them for emphasis, which I think would include marking parts of sample sentences. I assume you are referring to the article on apposition; I think the article would look much better with italics rather than boldface. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 00:01, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments, Anon126. Yes, the article is Apposition, but the problem can be seen in other articles, such as Noun Phrase and Predicate (which I have no intention of changing). I agree with you, italics look so much better. The boldface is making things a mess. The problem is that different parts need different emphasis (this is the verb, this is the noun). Identifying subscripts as done in formal grammar books, maybe? If there are no established guidelines for this, should I be bold and try something new, and then see who screams about it? Whikie (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
My friendi Alice Smitha likes jelly beans. My friend\i Alice Smith\a likes jelly beans. Whikie (talk) 09:14, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Oops, I didn't intend to get into details here. My questions for this page are: Has this been discussed before? Should I start a discussion on my talk page? Should I just do something in the article and watch for fallout? Whikie (talk) 10:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

going "live"[edit]

How do I get a title for a page I've created, and then move from my sandbox to somewhere real?Kerrisdalian (talk) 18:52, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

You can find more information at WP:CREATE or WP:ARTICLEWIZARD. Alternately you can "nominate an existing draft or user sandbox for review at Articles for Creation, add the code: subst:submit (surrounded by these {{}} brackets) to the top of the draft or sandbox page."-- KeithbobTalk 19:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I have done this for him, and the article is now located here. Brandon (MrWooHoo)Talk to Brandon! 03:41, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Intend on creating new Stub Article, not sure what category it belongs in.[edit]

I'm trying to create a stub article on the Flame of Hope (here's a little about it [there are many more sources than this one]: First of all, I just wanted to make sure it was relevant enough to be accepted as an article.

Second - I'm having trouble figuring out which stub to put it under, as the stub templates don't seem to have descriptions of what they're intended for. For example, I thought "tourism" might work, but I'm not sure if it's an effective correlation. Please help! Thanks :)Washoe42 (talk) 18:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

@Washoe42: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're unsure what stub tag to use, the generic stub template {{stub}} will be fine. --Jakob (talk) 18:53, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
@Washoe42:Hi! It seems that the article would fit it in some sub-category mentioned in Category:Monuments and memorials, so maybe you can have a look at the articles there and see what categories they are placed under (look at their talk pages) and see if you can find an appropriate one. A similar event in Sweden ("The Blood Circulation" running/walking for awareness of heart diseases) is listed under "Sports organizations" on the Swedish Wikipedia. Best, w.carter-Talk 23:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Washoe42. Another category for you to consider is Category:Challenge walks. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Can I write an article about an upcoming event ?[edit]

Hey there ! Can I write an article about an upcoming movie or events without any proper reference. For example most of the short films in malayalam gets famous after their release, so if a friend of mine is making a short film and I knows that it will be famous and if he is a celebrity then can I write an article about it without proper links and reference ?. Thank You.-Asif Rasheed (talk) 06:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Telleroftheunknowns. No, you can't create a main space encyclopedia article about a film you admit yourself is not yet notable. But you can write a draft in your sandbox or another userspace or draft page. And if, as you predict, the film actually receives significant coverage in independent, reliable sources in the future, and becomes a notable film by Wikipedia's standards, then you can add those references and move the article to main space. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
But, Asif if this film is being made by a friend of yours, you probably have a conflict of interest and possibly should not be working on an article about it anyway. --ColinFine (talk) 18:37, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Did I do the copyright information for this logo correctly?[edit]

Hello, I recently created a article for the South Korean record label WA Entertainment. I have uploaded the logo as File:WA Entertainment logo.png and provided as much non-free rationale as I could. However, similar pages, like YG Entertainment, provide their logos in SVG-vector form. Is the logo I uploaded inapplicable because it is not a vector? Would someone mind checking my work? Asdklf; (talk) 22:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Morning Asdklf;, and welcome to the teahouse. Yes, that image rationale and such looks OK to me. (It would cease to be OK if the article about the company ever gets deleted.) For the reasons explained in the rationale you used, however, you cannot use the image in places like here (a page other than the specific page listed in "Use in article"), thus I have added a : before the image name here to prevent the image appearing here. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Well that's embarrassing. Yes, thank you very much. Asdklf; (talk) 22:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)Asdklf;

Reference lost[edit]

Hello Teahouse !

I am working hard on Education in Ghana and I am just facing an annoying problem: One of my most cited reference(a pdf file) has been deleted from its source. I had saved the document before its deletion and now, I'd like to find some way to put it online again. I don't know under which licence this document is(it's a performance report issued by the ministry of education) so I don't dare using wikicommons.

I guess I could just write the references and forget the URL, but I'd really like to make that document accessible for all again. Any idea of a reliable host that would not destroy the link after a couple of months ? :( Thank you ! KaptainIgloo (talk) 21:17, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey KaptainIgloo, welcome to the teahouse! If it's a document about Education in Ghana, then I assume it is an academic work, a journal entry of some kind? You could just cite it fully using Template:Infobox journal (or a similar template if it is not an academic journal entry), then you wouldn't need to upload it anywhere. Hope this helps! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
@KaptainIgloo: (e/c) Hey KaptainIgloo. It would be easier to answer concretely if I knew which of the multiple pdfs cited in the article was the non-working link (I looked at the two citations that provide Ministry of Education as the publisher and they are both working). Anyway, the answer depends on whether works of the Ghanaian government are copyrighted. Unfortunately, after looking at both Commons:Copyright rules by territory#Ghana and the Ghana Copyright Office FAQ I am left scratching my head, and so unless we learn otherwise, we must assume the article was non-free copyrighted. The result of this is that unless and until you learn it was in the public domain or bore a free copyright license allowing you to post it, you should just cite it without linking. You should not try to post it to some other site and then link to it because 1) posting it to some other site is a putative copyright violation in the absence of affirmative evidence to the contrary, and concomitantly 2) we cannot link to it because we are both ethically and by policy restricted from linking to copyright violations. While convenience links to online version of published sources are useful, they are by no means required. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:16, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
@KaptainIgloo: @Fuhghettaboutit: Hi, is there no way to archive the page in the Wayback Machine or some other Internet vault? (I know there are several, but their names escape me at the moment.) Or must this be done while the page is still up and running? Best, w.carter-Talk 22:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
AFAIK it is not possible to archive without a live version to draw from and I don't know that they archive source documents that are hosted on websites. They may, but it seems a very dicey copyright proposition (truthfully, while I find the Wayback Machine massively useful, I'm not clear on how exactly what they do in the main meets fair use).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thanks a lot Demiurge1000,Fuhghettaboutit and Carter for your answers. I was talking about the "Education Sector Performance Report" for the year 2012/2013( Ministry of Education, Republic of Ghana), sorry for not precising it earlier. The link is still dead and the file cannot be found elsewhere. But Fuhghettaboutit said (thanks again for checking the copyrights by the way !!), one can't consider it as a free-copyright document, so I guess I'll just give the references. On another matter: I would be glad to have opinions on Education in Ghana. I'd like to make a GA out of it some day, so every advice is welcome :)KaptainIgloo (talk) 09:59, 26 July 2014 (UTC) For the record: I have found the document again, at another location and under a different name. Thanks again and sorry for the disturbance !KaptainIgloo (talk) 20:28, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

UK Nationality question[edit]

What would be the proper way to address the nationality of a person or celebrity born in the UK? Is it best to say "a British celebrity" or "an English celebrity"? I've noticed both descriptions on different articles

I'm asking as I've noticed that user SolomanMckenzie has edited a few UK celebrity pages where he switches "English" for "British". Recently, like on the article for UK TV presenter Ben Shephard, another user has reverted back to "English" and added a source and birthplace, which SolomanMckenzie has reverted.

I was just wondering if I should revert Soloman's edit to go back to "English"? Is there a different between the two words perhaps one is like saying "Irish" or "Scottish" and the other would be akin to mean the whole United Kingdom? Any help would be appreciated. (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. This has often been a contentious issue and there is no generalized consensus. You can read some good advice at WP:UKNATIONALS. The bottom line is that it is a really bad idea for editors to spend a lot of time quibbling about such things. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Policy on national/international Wikipedia[edit]

Many articles in the WikiPedia world only exist in English, and only on For some articles and for many users it is not neccessary to have it any other way. For a large part of the WikiPedia user community, the English pages are the most natural place to look for international (or any foreign) information. For instance: If I want to read information about a Chinese book, I look for the English pages since I am not able to read Chinese. In a situation similar to my example, I added information to an article about the Norwegian edition of a Japanese book. This was promptly deleted. When I asked for a reason for this deletion, I was told that since this was an article on, only information relevant to the English language editions (and the original Japanese edition) was to be allowed. I find this very strange. Does this mean that I would have to translate the article to Norwegian first, and then add my information? That would lead to the situation where this new information would only be available to Norwegian users. That doesn't make sense. What is the policy in this kind of situation? Roald Andresen (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

That advice seems a little unusual and in my limited experience of Norwegian wiki, not how things usually work there. Each Wikipedia will have its own rules, but generally speaking an article which has sufficient reliable sources to support it, will be fine. It's something that you'd have to discuss there though, probably with the admin who deleted it. Can you give a link to the Norwegian discussion? Valenciano (talk) 19:16, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The situation did not occur on the Norwegian wiki, but on I wanted to add the Norwegian release information about the book 1Q84 (see revision history), but this was promptly deleted (see discussion) Roald Andresen (talk) 19:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Roald.Andresen, I see now. If you look at the guidelines on article layout at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Books they do say that editions in other languages can be mentioned. Best would be to discuss this with the user who reverted you and if you can't resolve it that way, ask for input at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Books. Valenciano (talk) 08:22, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but in the same way as an article on a writer will not necessarily list all the writer's books, an article on a book will not necessarily list all the translations of it. --ColinFine (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
That's true Colin and books wouldn't be my area of expertise so that's why I believe it's better that the editor discusses it with the person that reverted him and seeks further input if needed at the books wikiproject, as they'll be more knowledgeable about the subject. Valenciano (talk) 12:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Editing Game Scores[edit]

Hi there,

I'm fairly new, and trying to add in game scores to this page: I can't find anywhere to edit the games to add in the scores. For example, England beat Jersey 5-0 today, but it's not there. How do I add these scores in? Thanks, Kyrgsom (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like it's been put up there now. So do these things work automatically?

(Sorry if this is a really newbie comment) Kyrgsom (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

It's not automatically updated, no. It looks like the article's creator, User:Sportsfan 1234, updated the information with this edit. Looks like they have each match in its own template, like this one, that they wrote as a separate page and then transcluded to the article. Hope this helps! Howicus (Did I mess up?) 19:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Howicus!

Kyrgsom (talk) 19:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

How long before submitting an article to it appearing on Wikipedia searches for others?[edit]

I have written a new entry, I believe following all the guidelines. What happens now?Graham Morris (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

The next step is to submit it for review by adding the template code {{subst:Submit}} to the top of the daft and clicking save page. The review queue is backlogged so it may take several days or more before someone gets to it.--ukexpat (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. That's a great help, as I'm new to this.Grey Morris (talk) 17:39, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
My pleasure.--ukexpat (talk) 18:17, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

How to link any file like video or picture, on wikipedia's article?[edit]

hi sir,
i am new in wikipedia!
So i want a help...
How to link any file like video or picture, on wikipedia's article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by S04AV (talkcontribs) 17:22, 25 July 2014

Hello, S04AV, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find instructions at Help:Files, particularly Using files. Note also that you can learn a lot about how things are done by looking under the hood: Choose an article that does something you want to do, and click on the Edit tab at the top of the page or the Edit button at the top of the relevant section. RockMagnetist (talk) 17:59, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello, S04AV, and welcome to the Teahouse. Search "File:YourFileName" without the inverted commas and select your file from the search result. Now if you have to add it to an infobox copy the file name with extension for example if it is "File:Example.jpg" just copy Ëxample.jpg" and add it to infobox and if it is not to infobox just tupe " ". If you have any further doubt pls contact me. AsifRasheed-Asif Rasheed (talk) 06:47, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello, S04AV. What RockMagnetist and {{UTelleroftheunknowns|AsifRasheed]] have perhaps not made clear is that you can't generally link to an image or video elsewhere on the internet: you have to upload it first, either to Wikipedia or (preferably) to Wikimedia commons - which means that first you have to be clear on the copyright status of the image or video. --ColinFine (talk) 18:30, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Making my draft article live[edit]

How do I make my draft article live? Please help! Takeyiadickens (talk) 15:08, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Takeyiadickens, welcome to the Teahouse. You don't as it would be quickly deleted as unambiguous advertising. Please read our conflict of interest guidelines and notability guidelines. If the subject is notable, best let someone else create an article. --NeilN talk to me 15:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Can someone please help fix this mess?[edit]

A new user has unilaterally taken it upon himself to rename all the universities in the University of Wisconsin system from "University of Wisconsin-whatever" to "University of Wisconsin in whatever". (See: [1]). Why this was done is mysterious. Not only is UW-whatever the official name of each university, no one even unofficially refers to these schools as "UW in whatever". I'm not sure if this is vandalism or just really, really misguided editing. In any case, can someone please return these schools to their correct, official names? (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Never mind. Another editor has now fixed all the page names. (talk) 14:07, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
That was me (who reverted the moves). I could not move back University of Wisconsin in La Crosse or the categories because of conflicts so asking for admin help. --NeilN talk to me 14:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Not sure what was going on there ... (talk) 14:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done There was a redirect in the way from the previous two moves. --j⚛e deckertalk 16:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks j⚛e decker, but I think the categories like Category:University of Wisconsin–Whitewater are still messed up? --NeilN talk to me 17:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh my, the editor was moving categories, too? I'm on it. --j⚛e deckertalk 17:47, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
OK, I've fixed (or have tried to fix!) Whitewater and Oshkosh, are there others? --j⚛e deckertalk 17:53, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
@Joe Decker: No, you got them all. Thanks again. --NeilN talk to me 18:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
My pleasure! --j⚛e deckertalk 18:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Nice work Joe, I tried to pitch in but missed the redirect issue, so did nothing. Glad to see you sorted it out.--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Need clarification on Removal of Speedy Deletion Template[edit]

Wikipedia CSD states "anyone who is not the editor may delete a speedy deletion template". I have come across quite a few IP users who removes SD templates albeit explanations and when i warn them to instead contest the deletion, i am being told about this criteria by other user as it happened here. Isn't this criteria a wide loophole which meat puppets can (mis)use and simple delete the template. Or even the creator of the page can delete the speedy template through any of his friends' PC or public computers as an IP user , right ? Shouldn't we be contesting the deletion other than deleting the template without reason ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by SahilSahadevan (talkcontribs) 14:52, July 25, 2014‎

Hi Sahil. Yes, the system is open to abuse. However, we assume good faith unless given a good reason to do otherwise. If an IP editor removes a CSD template, they are within their rights to do so. That doesn't mean that another editor cannot reinstate the template, or that deletion cannot take place through another means - and of course, if abuse is confirmed, the editor in question will almost certainly be blocked. But from a purely procedural standpoint, yes, in theory you can log out and remove speedy deletion templates from an article you created as an IP. Yunshui  14:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
I think its provided as a safety feature to prevent errors in the speedy delete system. If SD doesn't work you can try PfD but it might have the same result and may need to go to AfD for final review and a full discussion.-- KeithbobTalk 17:19, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

How/Where to write articles??[edit]

Please help! I have 6 links for someone and I want to write an articles about that person here. I tried but it declined. Please help Webcraft IT (talk) 11:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)*

Hi Webcraft IT and welcome ! You article has been declined because it had a promotional tone. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia: a neutral point of view is demanded. For instance, to "Dr. A.K Dwivedi is an Indian doctor who practice humanity rather than medicine best known as the doctor for homeopathy effective medicines.", prefer "DR.A.K Dwivedi is an Indian doctor and homeopath". Another problem of your article might be notability. If you want to write about a person on wikipedia, this person has to be "notable": For wikipedia, it means that reliable and independant sources must talk about him. Amon the references you have provided, I only see one independent source (a newspaper). And your source about his "award" just talks about him participating to a workshop. That does not suffice to prove notability. In a nutshell: Try to find more independant and reliable sources about him, then rewrite your article in a neutral tone. Good luck ! Regards KaptainIgloo (talk) 12:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Abuse of Power[edit]

Hello, i am relatively new to wikipedia.I have edited one article, I am afraid of editing other articles because i am aware of users who gang up and administrators who abuse that power if they do not agree with that user.My question is, what happens if I do not agree with a user(despite have a WR ref) and they decide to gang up on me?

CJBXT720 (talk) 11:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi CJBXT720 and welcome ! Wikipedia is the encylopedia that anyone can edit. You must NOT be afraid to edit: In wikipedia, you have the right to make mistakes and you can even put into question (almost) all policies and guidelines. It is the genuine spirit of the encyclopedia: Check WP:Be Bold or WP:Ignore all rules. As long as you are civil and that you act with good faith, in cooperation with others, nothing can happen to you. And if you are still not convinced, remember that in Wikipedia, every edit and action is saved, and that is also true for the admin: so if someone has been unfair to you, you can easily show it to the world and defend your case. Oh, and by the way, I've checked some of your edits, and it seems absolutely not controversial. So be bold and keep editing :) KaptainIgloo (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
I'd add that, whilst we prefer that editors who disagree talk it over and reach consensus, we do have dispute resolution processes to formally oversee cases where an agreement can't be reached amicably - so you always have that line or recourse. Additionally, administrators are forbidden to use their tools in content disputes - if you happen to disagree with an admin on a matter of content, then you can simply treat them as another editor, albeit an experienced one.
As a rule, if it seems as if people are ganging up on you, you are probably in the wrong, especially if they are posting a lot of links to policies. Try to remember that many people here know how Wikipedia works better than you do, and listen to their advice. They might be wrong - but if there are enough people saying the same thing to you, it's not very likely. Yunshui  14:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi, CJBXT720. Although systematic harassment of editors can occur, you're not likely to encounter it. Simple rudeness is more likely, and is generally not a big deal if you keep your cool. If you want to prepare yourself mentally, you could read CIVILITY, particularly Dealing with incivility. To put it in perspective, though, I have made 23,000 edits and had maybe 10 people be rude to me; and I have since worked productively with a couple of those editors. RockMagnetist (talk) 15:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I am scared![edit]

Yesterday i go to afd and listed List of pokemon (This is a redirect). There is only 1 delete vote, then the article got keep per WP:SNOW. And i am citing a guideline, but they says that does not apply. I think i may be blocked for abusing afd. What can i do! S/s/a/z-1/2 (talk) 23:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

@Ssaz 12: Hey Ssaz 12. What makes you think anyone would look askance at this at all, much less block you following what appears to be an entirely good faith AfD nomination, that just happened to be unsuccessful? Is there some particular message you've received that has caused you to worry? Unless there is something like that, I don't think have anything to be worried about at all. There is nothing unusual (or necessarily bad) about nominating an article for deletion and having the discussion result in a consensus to keep.

If someone did take you to task on just the existence of this AfD that would hold very little water unless there were extenuating circumstances, like it not being about this particular AfD but this being emblematic of something you do over and over. And even if there were such extenuating circumstances, any discussion would likely not be about a block at all unless there was some bad faith on your part involved and shown, but about a possible action ban enjoining you from talking any more articles to AfD or something like that, after a problem was seen repeatedly. But we're getting way ahead of ourselves even discussing such matters when there's no specter of abuse, at least on the bare facts as you've stated them, of any such problem. Again, my advice is don't worry a moment more about it. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Ssaz 12, welcome to the Teahouse. To me, your nomination looks like it was done in good faith. Don't worry about the comment about abusing AfD. Sadly, there are people who like to bite newbies. Still, there is a lesson here. If a page looks like it has been around a while (as you can see by looking at its edit history) or has a busy talk page, it's a good idea to dig a little deeper before nominating. RockMagnetist (talk) 01:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Hello, Ssaz 12! I'm sorry if my comments in closing this discussion were perceived as criticism; you're actually probably right that it goes against the spirit of WP:GAMECRUFT point 6, and I am impressed by the fact you realized it and had the courage to push the article through to AfD! In this particular case, as S Marshall pointed out, there is a very long history behind the current situation, and the community agreed a while ago that this compromise is an appropriate exception to the WP:GAMECRUFT rule. In the future, if you want a second opinion before nominating an article for deletion, I'd be more than happy to advise you! Thanks for your hard work in trying to maintain a good standard of quality across Wikipedia. :) ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  15:03, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Markups: Wiki or HTML[edit]

I've been wondering for some time now why Wikipedia eschews HTML. Often I come across such things as "unsupported HTML tag" when clearly it is supported by this example. Why doesn't the Wiki just use HTML for everything. What is the point of re-inventing the wheel. I think that ''' and '' for bold and italic is ugly and <b> and <i> are much more intuitive and more eloquent. I suppose it's too late now to change everything to HTML but I'm sure some enterprising chap is working on it. If they are watch out, Wiki will be toast.Jodosma (talk) 20:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Jodosma: HTML is actually very much supported by Wikipedia (see Help:HTML in wikitext), but mostly for use on templates and for complicated features not supported in wiki markup. Of course, in articles, wiki markup should be used whenever possible. There are two big reasons I can think of:
  • Wiki editing should be very easy for both technical and non-technical editors. I'm sure it's arguable, but many wiki markup codes are simpler and easier for non-technical editors to understand vs. HTML. For instance, I still get mixed up between <tr> and <td> for tables in HTML, but I find wiki markup's tables much more simple to use. Wiki markup is, of course, too simplistic and conflicting to be used as a full HTML replacement, but it works perfectly in a wiki setting.
  • The coding used on a wiki should last the test of time. As HTML evolves independently from Wikipedia, features are often changed or removed, especially as was seen with HTML5. Wikimedia controlling its own syntax allows it to be consistent and robust.
I'm sure there are more reasons out there. I highly doubt Wikipedia "will be toast" anytime soon simply because of wiki markup; wiki markup has worked well for over a decade, and is a common standard on most wikis across the internet. There is certainly room for improvement in terms of easier editing, but HTML wouldn't be the answer. Hope this provides some insight. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I think I understand now. I suppose what I should do is learn more about both markups; I haven't come across <tr> or <td> before so perhaps it's time I found out. ciao. Jodosma (talk) 07:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Here is a 3x3 multiplication table in wiki markup and html:

! !! 1 !! 2 !! 3
| '''1''' || 1 || 2 || 3
| '''2''' || 2 || 4 || 6
| '''3''' || 3 || 6 || 9

<th></th> <th>1</th> <th>2</th> <th>3</th>
<td><b>1</b></td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>3</td>
<td><b>2</b></td> <td>2</td> <td>4</td> <td>6</td>
<td><b>3</b></td> <td>3</td> <td>6</td> <td>9</td>

They produce the same result:

1 2 3
1 1 2 3
2 2 4 6
3 3 6 9
1 2 3
1 1 2 3
2 2 4 6
3 3 6 9

I prefer the former if I have to read and edit the source. The text in tables is often edited by users who know neither the wiki markup nor html. I also think it's easier for those users to edit the former. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

machine translation[edit]

I used Google Translate to write a short article for the Japanese-language Wikipedia. I don't understand Japanese. An editor in Japanese Wikipedia tells me the machine-translated text I posted is unintelligble. Fair enough. I had hoped to be a helpful contributor, but have caused a mess instead. How do I delete the article? Thanks. M2545 (talk) 23:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

@M2545: Hey M2545. I speak no Japanese but I deduced as best I could from looking at a (nearly unintelligible – yeah they're terrible) machine translation of the Japanese Wikipedia's equivalent pages for WP:CSD and CAT:CSD and then looking in edit mode at the content of some random articles nominated for speedy deletion to see what to do. I guarantee nothing but I think their equivalent of placing a {{db-g7}} (the template we use here to nominate a page for speedy deletion as requested by the creator of the page), and what you can paste at the top of the article there and save is:


Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:24, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, M2545. Based on my experience, machine translation should never be trusted without having a fluent speaker check and copyedit the results. Consider also how closely related the languages are. The results are better among Indo-European languages than languages as different as English and Japanese. I can usually produce a pretty good result translating from Spanish, French or German into English. Though I am not fluent in those languages, I have "basic" knowledge. And if the English result isn't making sense, I know I have a problem. But I still ask someone fluent to check. Don't feel bad. Consider it a learning experience. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi M2545. I find it interesting that you're trying to create a page on Japanese Wikipedia when you seem to have no Japanese language skills. Just curious, but why Japanese? Do you simply want to translate Digital Public Library of America into Japanese or are you trying to create a new article from scratch? One thing about translating pages is that the rules for different language Wikipedias are not always exactly the same. What is considered common practice on English Wikipedia may not be common on Japanese Wikipedia and vice versa. Likewise, what is considered notable on English Wikipedia may not necessarily be considered notable on Japanese Wikipedia (and vice versa). Personally, I have found the information in Wikipedia:Translation very helpful when translating pages. In particular, I think you might find Wikipedia:Translation#Translation from English into a foreign language helpful. Japanese Wikipedia does also offer help in English at ja:WP:HNJS (Help for Non-Japanese Speakers) so may you find assistance there as well. For what it's worth, I read your proposed page and in all honesty it is not much of a page. It is nothing more than three simple sentences with no citations or other indications as to why this subject matter might be notable. Even though you did link it to the English Wikipedia article, typically much more is needed than that for a stand-alone article since Wikipedia articles are not considered to be reliable sources (See WP:WPNOTRS).

There's no need for you to tag the page for deletion yourself because it has already been tagged for "speedy deletion" by another editor named and it will eventually be deleted by another editor who handles that type of thing. For reference, the specific reason given was ja:WP:CSD#全般9 which is similar to "Unambiguous copyright infringement (WP:G12)". ja:WP:CSD#全般9 treats things such as obviously copied material (e.g., machine translations of other webpages) as copyright infringements and notes that you have admitted to doing this on the article's talk (ノート nōto?) page. Moreover, removing the three sentences considered to be copyright infringements would leave nothing at all in the article, so can tag the article for speedy deletion for reasons similar to those given in WP:A3. If you disagree, you can try discussing things with; they, however, don't have an active talk page and seem to be an IP user. Besides, my guess is that if you posted something similar on English Wikipedia it would also mostly be quickly tagged for speedy deletion for one reason or another as well.

Now, my suggestion to you is to save what you have to your Japanese sandbox before it gets deleted and then continue to work on the article there until it has a better chance of surviving. There's really no rush, so take your time. Japanese Wikipedia does prefer that sources for articles be in Japanese, but it also accepts non-Japanese sources satisfying its criteria for reliable sources per ja:WP:RS#日本語以外の言語で書かれた情報源 so you may be able to use some of the sources from the English Wikipedia article. If you don't feel up to doing all of the Japanese yourself, then I suggest you avoid machine translations at any cost other than for your own personal reference. Nothing personal, but even your post at jp:ノート:Digital Public Library of America seems like a machine translation to me. Instead ask for help at ja:WP:HNJS like this person did in translating anything you intend on using in the article. There are quite a few Japanese Wikipedians who like working on translations so perhaps you find someone interested in helping you. Another possibility is asking for help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan. Maybe someone there will help you with the translating. Sorry if my response was too wordy. Anyway, good luck. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:30, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for the helpful comments! I had decided to create a minimal, stub article in Japanese Wikipedia because the Digital Public Library of America notably has some 34,000 Japanese-language materials, openly accessible. I wrote a few simple sentences in English, then fed them into Google Translate. I had previously used Google Translate to compose articles in Russian, Spanish and Dutch, with reasonable success. M2545 (talk) 11:46, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

@M2545: Not sure for those other languages, but machine translations usually don't work very well for Japanese. Most people will get whatever you're trying to say, but the phrasing, etc. is typically not very natural sounding and most likely not suitable for any kind of formal article. Since there are so many Japanese materials available in that library, it should not be too hard to find some reliable sources in Japanese to go along with whatever you have in English. In fact, I was able to find this on my first attempt. Try searching "DPLA" or "米国デジタル公共図書館" in some Japanese search engines (e.g., Yahoo!Japan) and see what you get. If you can provide sufficient sources, it might be easier to find someone at Wikipedia Japan or WikiProject Japan willing to help you write the article. Face-smile.svg - Marchjuly (talk) 13:30, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
The rules for grammar are different in each language. For example, in English, we say "The house with the red door". In another language, if we do a literal word by word translation. it may come out as "The red doored house". While hard to understand, if you know in advance it's a machine translation, you can make adjustments in translating.

This is also the reason jokes often don't translate well into other languages. Different cultures may find different things funny, (talk) 13:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Vanjagenije, in your response, you said I guess your are talking about Draft:Neat Robots". You should have used "you're" which is a contraction or a combination, of the words you and are. "Your" means ownership (i.e. Your contribution to WikiPedia).

I hope you understand. (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Upload picture[edit]

hello! I want the image I uploaded to Ali Mohammad Pshtdar What I do. Many thanks.Iranmanesh53 (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! If you have a free licence photo of the subject (for example, you took the photo), you should upload it to Wikimedia Commons (here). But, please, do not upload some random photo you found on the internet, as it would be a copyrights infringement. When you upload the photo, learn here how to add photo to the article: Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:45, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi! Thank you very much to help you.Iranmanesh53 (talk) 10:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)