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Template:Infobox programming tool[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete (it was replaced in Aspect weaver). Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox programming tool (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Single use. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:12, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Rome episode[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 March 15 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:06, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Unreliable[edit]

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The result of the discussion was discussion is ongoing Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Unreliable (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

NOT a deletion request. I think that it there are some issues with this tag, as explained on the talk page. Anonimski (talk) 20:04, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

That's a redirect, not a template. I think you mean {{Unreliable sources}}. Even so, why is it here? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:20, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox orchestra concert[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 5 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox String Quartet[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox String Quartet (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only two transclusions. Undeveloped, since 2006. Redundant to {{Infobox musical artist}} or other infoboxes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Arabic name[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:01, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Arabic name (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Single-use. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:00, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox annual film festival[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox annual film festival (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only thirty transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox film festival}} (Transclusion count: 628). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Pirates of the Caribbean character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Pirates of the Caribbean character (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only thirteen transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:55, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete and replace with standard.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep parameters in Infobox character are subpar to the specific infobox up for deletion. CRRaysHead90 | #WelcomeHome 02:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
    • If so then the necessary improvements should be made to the generic template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:37, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
      • The risk of messing up current uses of the generic template far outweighs any positive outcome. The specific template is fine. CRRaysHead90 | #WelcomeHome 00:37, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
        • Are you referring to parameters like |pirate lordship=, |brethren status= and |bounty=? they're in-universe cruft, and should be disposed of. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:53, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
  • comment seems like it would be a good idea to rewrite it as a wrapper first, then reconsider whether or not to keep it as a wrapper, or to substitute it. Frietjes (talk) 01:51, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Hollyoaks family[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Hollyoaks family (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only four transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox soap opera family}} (Transclusion count: 12) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Sonic character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 5 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox pulps character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 5 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Toho character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 5 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox StarCraft character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 5 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Space:1999 character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 5 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:06, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Sea Patrol character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:49, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Sea Patrol character (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only thirteen transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

As creator, I don't really care… But it is just calling Infobox character as a meta template… Peachey88 (T · C) 21:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep, since it's a wrapper of Infobox character as Peachey said.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Primeval creature[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Primeval creature (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only six transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox fictional creature}} (Transclusion count: 12). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:45, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Keep - Not redundant to {{Infobox fictional creature}} at all. Clearly the nominator has not done his homework. Only two of the fields (name and image) are common to both templates - if that is the criteria for making one template redundant to another then every infobox is redundant to every other infobox so let's get rid of them all and just use {{Infobox}} for everything. Infobox Primeval creature is an extremely custom template deliberately used only in List of creatures in Primeval where it is transcluded 80 times, not a mere 6 as implied by the nomination. Merging the two templates is inappropriate as the fields in Infobox Primeval creature are specifically aimed at the creatures appearing in Primeval and Primeval: New World and are thus irrelevant to every other fictional creature article. The template requires no maintenance as both series have ended and, while there may be a further call to use Infobox fictional creature, Infobox Primeval creature is unlikely to be used again, and certainly not in other articles. For this reason the two templates should remain separate. Note also that the nominator should also be trouted for again failing to add |type=sidebar to an infobox TfD, despite being asked to do this in the past. --AussieLegend () 23:00, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
  • keep pending a demonstration of redundancy. Frietjes (talk) 23:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete used on only 1 article (though admittedly, repeatedly) if additional functionality is needed in Infobox fictional character to support this, such as customizable fields, then add them to it. Otherwise, we'll end up with specialized infoboxes for every single character list article. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:19, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
You're advocating bloating another template to add functionality that will only be ever used in one article. That doesn't make a lot of sense. As for having "specialized infoboxes for every single character list article", that certainly hasn't happened yet and, given the fact that we're only talking about 92 transclusions for the two templates, doesn't seem likely to happen. However, if it did that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. If we add fields to Infobox fictional creature to suit a single article we'll end up with an infobox full of fields that will be impossible to maintain. Merging the templates really doesn't improve anything. Of course, if they were merged it would seem smarter to merge Infobox fictional creature into Infobox Primeval creature as IFC is used only 12 times while IPC is used 80 times. --AussieLegend () 06:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete, some of the useful parameters like 'species' can be merged to fictional creature, and there are many trivial parameters that should have not been added in the first place. I'm talking about fields like 'number' and 'humans_killed', which go against the basic principles of what an infobox should contain.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The fields used in this template are not trivial. They're entirely relevant to the TV series which revolves around the creatures in the article. The alternative to the infobox is use of tables but the infobox is a much easier, and more efficient option than creating 80 separate tables, which is what will be necessary if the infobox is deleted. Note that the article in which this infobox is used has been at AfD twice and each AfD closed as "keep" so the content is obviously seen by the community as encyclopaedic. --AussieLegend () 13:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
An alternative to adding those details to the infobox is to write them as prose. They are not appropriate for an infobox, regardless of the encyclopaedic value of the list in which they appear.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Much of this information is in the prose, but is summarised in the infobox since it's significant information. Please explain why these fields are not appropriate for an infobox. Three of the fields are commonly used in infoboxes and several others parallel fields used in well established infoboxes like {{Infobox character}} so your claim needs to be substantiated. The claim that "there are many trivial parameters that should have not been added in the first place" doesn't make sense. The infobox only has 12 parameters in total. Of these, 2 (name and image) are common to many infoboxes, Underlying lk advocates keeping at least a third parameter (species) and 5 (appeared, first_primeval, last_primeval, first_new_world and last_new_world) identify which of the two series or the books in which the creature appeared. When talking about dinosaurs, the era of origin is very relevant and encycloaedic. That's a total of 9 of the 12. The remaining 3 parameters are hardly "many". These are actually relevant as they supplement plot information and are seen as significant in each episode, which is why the information is summarised in the infoboxes. --AussieLegend () 13:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
This was created at a different location as a test to see if there was an alternate to an infobox that didn't require 80 individual tables. Unfortunately, before any further work could be done somebody else saw fit to move the content into template space. --AussieLegend () 13:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep, if this helps at all. The template seems to be performing a function; deleting it and striving to perform the function in another way would entail extra work for someone (using time that would be better spent doing something that might be of some practical use), and will probably unnecessarily complicate another template. W. P. Uzer (talk) 16:53, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
    • If this template were genericized, it could be used in other time travel fiction. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
      • What do you mean by "genericized"? --AussieLegend () 02:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
        • converting Primeval specific terms into generic parameter names and adding "programme1" and "programme2" to specify Primeval and New World (so... programme1_first programme1_last etc) give it 9 programmes; "returned" would become extra1_name="Returned to era?" extra1_data= what returned now holds. The box would then be "Infobox timetravel creature" -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
          • Would there be any call for such a template? There doesn't seem so now. --AussieLegend () 08:19, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
            • There are many time travel shows, so it would seem that this would be used, as Primeval's creature list hasn't been deleted, then there's no reason why those of other shows shouldn't be able to exist. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 00:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
              • One would think that if sufficient articles already exist that could benefit from such an infobox then there should be at least one or two that already use some form of infobox. There seems little point in "genericizing" this infobox on the off-chance that it could be used elsewhere if there aren't already examples of articles in which it could be used. Do you have any examples of such articles? --AussieLegend () 01:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Metal Gear character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 5 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:29, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox SW books[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:14, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox SW books (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

218 transclusions. Fork of {{Infobox book}} (Transclusion count: 30,253) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete and replace with Infobox book without merging anything. The extra parameters in SW books are simply in-universe trivia (such as 'galactic year').--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:39, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Ranger's Apprentice character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Ranger's Apprentice character (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only ten transclusions, all on one page. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:42, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Back to the Future character[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:15, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Back to the Future character (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only three transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:40, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete and replace with standard.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. We can get "Original time" and the other BTTF-specific stuff on the standard template, so we really don't need anything special here. Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 15:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. The fields related to time travel are not worth it. They are not useful. -- Lyverbe (talk) 15:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Brownlow Medal ceremony[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:42, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Brownlow Medal ceremony (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

17 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox award}} (Transclusion count: 487). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:36, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Filmfare Awards South[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:54, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Filmfare Awards South (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only five transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox film awards}} (Transclusion count: 487). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Filmfare Awards[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:38, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Filmfare Awards (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

22 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox film awards}} (Transclusion count: 487). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Bouchercon[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Bouchercon (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

26 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox award}} (Transclusion count: 2,627). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:31, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Erm, I think you mean {{Infobox Bouchercon}}? Nikthestunned 16:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Now fixed. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:04, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
As original creator I've no issue with this. Also confirmed that suggested {{Infobox award}} substitute is appropriate. Nikthestunned 09:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox men's college volleyball team[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge, will require adding a parameter to disable the AIAW linking. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:20, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox men's college volleyball team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only three transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox college volleyball team}} (Transclusion count: 29). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Roller hockey team infoboxes[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox AIHL Team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (Transclusion count: 1)
Template:Infobox college inline hockey team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (Transclusion count: 3)
Template:Infobox MLRH Team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (Transclusion count: 4)
Template:Infobox national inline hockey team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (Transclusion count: 1)
Template:Infobox national roller hockey team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (Transclusion count: 30)
Template:Infobox PIHA Team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (Transclusion count: 6)
Template:Infobox professional inline hockey team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (Transclusion count: 47)
Template:Infobox RHI Team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (Transclusion count: 27)

A plethora of low-use templates serving substantially similar purposes. These should be merged to one, or at most two (regional/ national) infoboxes. At least three of these are already wrappers for {{Infobox hockey team}}. Also the use of opaque acronyms in template names is unhelpful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:05, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Merge all to IB hockey team, importing parameters from the deprecated templates when necessary.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 21:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Canadian Floorball Championships[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Canadian Floorball Championships (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Single use. Redundant to {{Infobox floorball tournament}} (Transclusion count: 3). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox college field hockey team[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:48, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox college field hockey team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only four transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox field hockey club}} (Transclusion count: 53). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment If you are going to delete the college team template, please preserve all of the college-specific parameters: "University", "Conference", "Colors", "Nickname", and all of the ones relating to the NCAA Tournament. {{Infobox field hockey club}} looks to be more oriented toward European-style sports clubs and their needs than American college programs, at least at the moment. Michael Barera (talk) 22:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
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Cricket team infoboxes[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox non Test cricket team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (130 transclusions)
Template:Infobox first-class cricket team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (39 transclusions)
Template:Infobox BPL team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (3 (three) transclusions)
Template:Infobox ProCricket Team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (10 transclusions)
Template:Infobox women's national cricket team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (32 transclusions)
Template:Infobox Test team (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete) (10 transclusions)

Each redundant to {{Infobox cricket team}} (Transclusion count: 353). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Some of them will have additional parameters (such as "test status acquired" in the Test team template). Someone ought to check this and ensure that equivalent parameters are added to {{Infobox cricket team}} before the listed templates are deleted/merged. W. P. Uzer (talk) 23:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Merge all to IB cricket team, taking care to add missing parameters which are deemed useful.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 21:54, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox domestic cricket season[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 5 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:01, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox School Cricket Bigmatch[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:59, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox School Cricket Bigmatch (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused in article space, Used in a single sandbox, unchanged since 2010. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Cricket series footnote[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:58, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Cricket series footnote (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused in article space. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:06, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox county cricket ground[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge with {{Infobox cricket ground}} Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox county cricket ground (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Only 40 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox cricket ground}} (Transclusion count: 615). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:04, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Note. I'm surprised there are as many transclusions as that, given that there are 18 counties. That's probably 100%. No comment on the apparent redundancy to the broader template. --Dweller (talk) 15:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Ah, but 18 is the number of first class counties - there are a further 19 minor counties. In addition, some first-class counties use more than one ground - Glamorgan, for example, play some matches at Colwyn Bay. In times past, most f-c counties used three or more grounds each season - even Surrey, who don't play all their home matches at Kennington Oval. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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