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Closing instructions

On this page, deletion or merging of templates (except as noted below) is discussed.

How to use this page[edit]

What not to propose for discussion here[edit]

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Reasons to delete a template[edit]

  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing

Templates should not be nominated if they can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template[edit]

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Tag the template.

Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the Tfd tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the Tfd notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code). Note that TTObot is available to tag templates en masse if you do not wish to do it manually.

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the Tfd nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the Tfd, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

List the template at Tfd.

Follow this link to edit today's Tfd log.

Add this text at the top, just below the -->:

  • For deletion:
    {{subst:tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging:
    {{subst:tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]]

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 20 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code after the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:catfd2|category name}}
Notify users.

You generally should notify the creator of template and it is also considered polite to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating the template. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of these users, as well as any related WikiProjects (look on the template's talk page) that do not use Article alerts, so that they are aware of the discussion. (There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: you should write a personal message in these cases.)

Consider adding any templates you nominate for Tfd to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the Tfd tag is not removed.


Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or Subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it before the template page is deleted.

Templates are rarely orphaned (made to not be in use) before the discussion is closed.


Current discussions[edit]

September 19[edit]

Template:Towns&Cities of Colombia County[edit]

Template:Towns&Cities of Colombia County (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

nearly empty template, redundant to {{Columbia County, Florida}} NSH002 (talk) 02:15, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

September 18[edit]


Template:Top4 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Mid4 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

nearly unused and redundant to {{col-4}}/{{col-begin}} or one of the many other Table and column templates. Frietjes (talk) 20:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment is this an import from Wiktionary? -- (talk) 03:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Barbecue sauces[edit]

Template:Barbecue sauces (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Per template guidelines, "Templates should not be used to create lists of links to other articles when a category, list page, or 'See also' section list can perform the same function." This template would be better implemented by categories and lists. The current one appears to be a confusion between commercial brands and sauce styles...many not actually belonging to the list. We don't need a template to navigate commercial brands.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 18:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:From Commons[edit]

Template:From Commons (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Deleted on Commons (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Propose merging Template:From Commons with Template:Deleted on Commons.
These seem to have the same purpose. We don't need both of them. Stefan2 (talk) 17:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Merge have a selector to choose the smaller or larger format. There is a slight difference in usage, as "from Commons" is for a file that is incompatible with Commons being copied to, while "deleted on Commons" could be used for files that existed on both Commons and subsequently deleted on Commons (this could be the result of a transfer to commons, then deletion on commons while the one wasn't yet deleted). -- (talk) 03:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Union Flag variants 1606-1801[edit]

Template:Union Flag variants 1606-1801 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

subst and delete this is a single use template, only used in the article Union Jack, so should be directly coded into the article. (talk) 10:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Strloc prefix[edit]

Template:Strloc prefix (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Redundant to Template:Str left, and only used on 2 pages in userspace (not counting itself) Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:43, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:GAsym (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Pointless wrapper around File:Symbol support vote.svg. Unused except in demonstrations of itself. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Gapnum/dec (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Ensp (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Rnd/min (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused, redundant to Template:Rnd now that it uses Lua Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:32, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Str endswith short[edit]

Template:Str endswith short (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

No longer useful now that Template:Str endswith uses Lua Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Str find max[edit]

Template:Str find max (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused, redundant to Template:Str find Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:24, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Strfind quick[edit]

Template:Strfind quick (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused, redundant to Template:Str find Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:23, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Htcm (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused, redundant to Template:Convert Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment: couldn't (shouldn't?) the same be said for {{Height}}?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 03:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Not the "unused" part, at least. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep by author. Per the documentation, the Template:Htcm provides a user-friendly way to specify heights in centimetres, providing auto-fixed parameters if mistakes are saved. By comparison, the Template:Convert does not yet provide auto-fixing of parameters, nor does Template:Height, while Template:Htcm has been designed as the next-generation form of {Height}. Hence, keep Template:Htcm as providing special functionality and error-correction of parameters, as the features of Template:Convert are later improved to better reflect the real-world handling of measurement conversions such as height. -Wikid77 (talk) 22:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Autofixing and error correction are REALLY BAD and should NEVER be used. A page not providing any information to a reader because of an error is bad, but a page providing misinformation to a reader because of an error is much worse. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • delete, we should really be using {{convert}} instead. as far as {{height}} goes, it should probably be deleted as well, but that one has been around for much longer. Frietjes (talk) 23:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Numsense (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Redundant now that Template:Precision uses Lua Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Doc short[edit]

Template:Doc short (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Obsolete now that Template:Documentation uses Lua Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:15, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Has char[edit]

Template:Has char (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Obsolete now that Template:Str find uses Lua Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

September 17[edit]

Template:Maryland Terrapins men's soccer squad 2008 College Cup[edit]

Template:Maryland Terrapins men's soccer squad 2008 College Cup (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Not notable. – Michael (talk) 23:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – Michael (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox aqueduct navigable[edit]

Template:Infobox aqueduct navigable (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Infobox aqueduct (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Propose merging Template:Infobox aqueduct navigable with Template:Infobox aqueduct.
This should either be merge to {{Infobox bridge}} or {{Infobox aqueduct}}, but as far as I can tell it has only a few extra parameters. If it's not simple, it wouldn't be worth it, but if it is an easy change then it would be a lot simpler. Jamesx12345 23:00, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment If you have to merge then {{Infobox bridge}} is the only option, as {{Infobox aqueduct}} really refers to a large piped water supply. But do see Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_February_9#Aqueduct_Infoboxes, where we have discussed before, and I don't see any new reason to change my views from then. If it ain't broke don't fix it... Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:33, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Chinese calendar[edit]

Template:Chinese calendar (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Chinese calendar/cycle (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Chinese calendar/year (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Chinese calendar/month (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Chinese calendar/day (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
and all templates listed in Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Chinese calendar/

unused outside of a handful of user pages. incredibly complex hierarchy of templates which partially duplicates Template:Year in other calendars. I was going to convert this monstrosity to use lua, but then was wondering why I should bother if it's not going to be used. I would also support simply moving it to userspace to preserve the existing userspace transclusions and history. Frietjes (talk) 20:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Considered the best[edit]

Template:Considered the best (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

only links three articles in a much larger superlatives category. better to just add a couple see also items to the three articles in question. Frietjes (talk) 14:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

September 16[edit]


Template:Worldalmanac (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

This template gives excessive prominence to the use of a certain source. Such templates should only be used when text from public domain sources has been incorporated into the article and no other solution for citation is preferable. SFB 22:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Possibly delete, I would slightly differ about the use of such templates. They should only be used in the case that an article is mainly due to the existence of a certain source. An example would be like some antiquated Jewish Encyclopaedias and Britannicas where articles have been written based solely, or almost solely, on them (including reference about diseases in the past and interesting stuff), and these publications get a note from Wikisource. I mean, I wouldn't have an issue if a (for instance) NASA logo was placed on a page which contains a NASA image (and I do believe that is how it is done). But on articles about NASA missions, the publication work is not theirs alone so they don't get the sticker on that page, and it probably says something similar in one of the guidelines. Question Does anyone know the guideline to that NASA-image-type circumstance? ~ R.T.G 22:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Category:Language icon templates[edit]

  • There are 348 templates in this category. The substitute a single english language word to denote that an external link is in another language.
  • They do not display the text in some strange script or anything and they do not include words to suggest what exactly the word is there for. For instance, the one for Arabic external links displays as (approximately) "(Arabic)". It's just a single word, but this particular template requires you to write {{ar icon}}, and that is longer than just writing the word in the brackets without the template. (note: comment changed to avoid this TfD page being in category. DexDor (talk) 04:55, 17 September 2014 (UTC))
  • Most of these templates are totally defunct with only a couple dozen uses each, but the ones that are used plentifully, such as Arabic, have the potential to be added dozens of times to the bottom of a page for the sake of adding one word, possibly causing a resource drain.
  • They are commonly used without a space, for the sake of not writing one(word).
  • And, most significantly, these templates are mainly composed of two letters, aa, ab, ac, etc.. and these template abbreviations should be reserved for high access templates (speed dial) which actually help the editor to complete a lengthy task in short time, such as "sd" for "speedydelete" notices instead of a single word, "(Sindhi)" ~ R.T.G 19:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
    • No, all two letter templates should be reserved for languages, because xy:pagename is an interlanguage link, so the corresponding {{xy}} should be some sort of template about or for that language. These are international standards, not parochial Wikipedia minutiae. -- (talk) 06:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Nuke 'em all, from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. ~ R.T.G 19:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • keep, (1) the two letter versions are commonly used on other WPs, and repurposing these two letter templates for something else would just cause a mess, (2) the two letter versions are used on commons for {{lang-xx}}, so if anything we should make them all function like {{en}}. the fact that they are being misused suggests we need a bot to go through all the transclusions and generate a report of the improper uses for clean up, rather than throwing out the entire system (i.e., they generate more than text, but also add articles to categories). Frietjes (talk) 14:08, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • General keep per Frietjes: The two-letter ones are ambiguous, and could be deleted and salted like {{Ar}} and {{De}}. {{En}} was kept for use in only file space, to support Commons' usage, which has nothing to do with this category. I don't know that en.wikipedia needs the other languages in its file space, except maybe during the translation period. When translating articles from other wikipedias, it is relatively easy to add the icon part. (I do this by userscript, myself.) I think other templates use the icon variety, but that could be handled by a module or #switch, instead, if needed. Some two-letter ones try to support both Commons usage and icon usage, but this doesn't always work right. The two-letter redirects could possibly be deleted, but that is a matter for RfD. Alternatively, they could all be turned into informative error messages. (See also Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 August 18#Ar and En) —PC-XT+ 03:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 03:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Violation of copyrighted images[edit]

Template:Banner (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Team data Borussia Dortmund (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Banner/core (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Bannericon (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Bannericon/core (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Team data Dortmund (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Team data BVB (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Team data Werder Bremen (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Team data Bayern Munich (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Bannerright (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Bannerright/core (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
User:Template:Team data Bayern Munich - rouge page, now a redirect, created in the process of moving page.

Templates add copyrighted images in violation of wikipedia policy and has no use outside of that. LRD 16:23, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete Unused. Kante4 (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

My intention is to build a free banner/logo template system like the country flag one but for all the other images which do not fit there. With easy syntax which will overcome the bad filenames on wikimedia like: My-first-Picture.svg - btw main sport tables would become quite pretty with then easy to paste, use and alter team banner pictures because of the team data templates (e.g. german wikipedia uses team banner pictures on score tables but without template system ... so most of the files have bad non standard file names which are a pain to use) Berni2k (talk) 16:44, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Berni, start to copy these templates into your WP:Userspace quickly before they are deleted and when they are complete, add them back to the template areas and it can be seen what they are... ~ R.T.G 22:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Comment Berni has now moved several of the pages to his personal space, meaning that the redirects left behind would make anyone able to use the old links on articles for the same effect. LRD 00:03, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I have restored the TfD pages at their original links. LRD 01:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

thank you RTG you were the first user who was helpful, before today I did not know there are user spaces like that, sadly LRD is only after removing others work he does not like, no idea what I have done to him or maybe he is like that all the time who knows, I moved the 3 team data pages from my banner template system and wanted to delete the original ones afterwards but that was not possible, so I thought one of you would do it, but instead LRD came and restored them ... which was only a move against me as he could have easily removed the redirection link from them instead, now he added my templates I created for point tables, as there were no point tables on wikipedia before I created them I had to create a template for their coloring too, I know they are not perfect so far because I was not finished with them but the Banners took all my time so far, I say so far because I lost any motivation now to work on with them, all this complaining without helping is not what wikipedia is about I think, wikipedia should be about working together creating new content and not about destroying others work where possible because you don't like it, I think others would find my stuff useful, but not with me anymore (because the natural reaction to LRD would be to search after his work now and complain about it as much as possible, but I do not do things like that) Berni2k (talk) 04:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
oh btw just if anyone wonders I recreated all 3 banner images in question (from the 3 teams in the data templates) by my own, with an open source svg editor I found on google code and released them by my own under cc-free public domain, so the original problem is long gone in my user spaces, I will edit the originals one last time so no one can say I left before removing all things in question, but I think LRD will come again and bring it back to blame me again, maybe he finds such things funny, I do not, but this will be your problem then because I'm gone Berni2k (talk) 04:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I have only restored the versions at their respective TfD pages, removing the redirects in the process. It means that those that you have moved into your personal user pages were left untouched and would not be affected by any page deletions. That, in fact, makes me help you instead of working against you. The templates are listed for deletion for good reason, and you were informed per protocol and have the right to make your defence of keeping them. As mentioned, the problem is not with any coding, but with violation of the fair use policy pertaining to copyrighted images. I do not see how those templates might improve any articles at this point in time, and you might make them work and are welcome to spend time on them. I just feel you should consider the strict policy regarding copyright content and the consequences surrounding it before you proceed to spend valuable time on them. LRD 04:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

He just added all my other templates which have no copyright violation or copyrighted images in or connected to them, so I will undelete them now as I think it was an error. I did/do not complain to the things you posted in your last post but you indeed did not read my post so we just talk side to side which makes no sense. Berni2k (talk) 06:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

The four templates have been removed from the list since they were included mistakenly for copyvios. LRD 07:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete all - This will only encourage users to add non-free images to articles (and other places). – PeeJay 19:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete all as per PeeJay EddieV2003 (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • delete all over-templating. Frietjes (talk) 14:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete all, because, even though I applaud Berni for being bold in trying to improve the encyclopedia, these templates have too many problems, and I believe that, according to userpage guidelines, non-free images are to be deleted immediately from user space, so userfication is not an option. —PC-XT+ 03:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:POTD commons[edit]

Template:POTD commons (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

This is currently almost two years out of date. While I do think that salvaging it would be nice, if we're going to fail this spectacularly at keeping it up to date, I think we should at least mark it as historical. It's just displaying Commons POTD from November 2012, and has been doing so on a loop ever since then, from what I can tell. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment This template just needs some sort of script to update it. And of course the script needs a programmer and a slave, but... Don't delete it anyway... Unless there is a problem with cross site linking. ~ R.T.G 22:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, this is templates for discussion, after all. We do need to find a solution to this one... Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • substitute, mark as historical, and then move to project space without redirect. Frietjes (talk) 14:10, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I second Frietjes' !vote if a bot isn't found to keep this updated. —PC-XT+ 04:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Bishops of Mthatha[edit]

Template:Bishops of Mthatha (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

The Template:Anglican Bishops of St John's and of Mthatha inludes the information in this template, and provides continuity, I see no advantage in having both. Wayne Jayes (talk) 09:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

AgreeBashereyre (talk) 16:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment If they are the exact same for the exact same articles just redirect one to the other and if they are slightly different but for the same purpose for the same articles, merge, and then redirect one to the other... I recommend using the longer name as the redirect. If they are sort of like what I just said, but there is something just a little bit different, let's hear the different... ~ R.T.G 22:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

September 15[edit]

Template:Football clubs listed by honours won[edit]

Template:Football clubs listed by honours won (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

A template, which includes a majority of redlinks and unverifiable articles that are currently PROD'ed or AfD. JMHamo (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. JMHamo (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete as serves no useful purpose as a navigation box, being mainly redlinks and non-notable articles. GiantSnowman 15:18, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Strikethrough (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Transcluded content is: "<s>{{{1}}}</s>". Redundant to just using the <s> tag directly; using the {{S}} alias is one character shorter, but the value of that is doubtful anyway. Keφr 02:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose - what purpose does deleting this serve? Will < s> < / s> no longer work? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Avoiding unnecessary resource drain? Decreasing chance of hitting transclusion limits? (Also, using a template entails all sorts of syntax problems you do not have to worry about when using <s> directly — how do you strike a piece of text containing an equals sign?) Keφr 03:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep replaces direct HTML use with wikicoding. Shouldn't we be avoiding HTML when writing wikies? -- (talk) 09:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    • If I go back to <table> will that solve the complexity limit and make editors happy with all the new HTML? -- (talk)
    • No, we should be using whichever syntax is the most understandable and convenient for a given purpose. If two syntaxes are equally convenient, we use the one which consumes fewer resources. If that means HTML, we use that. Keφr 06:03, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • indifferent. my philosophy is that a good template should implement a specific function, so that the implementation can change with the result being the same. for example, if it is decided in some future version of HTML that the strikethrough tag is deprecated, we can replace the implementation with css (e.g., this which uses <span>...</span> instead). however, I suppose we could have the backend software do that instead, and view the stikethrough tag as being wikimarkup (like the ref/gallery/... tags) if that ever happens. Frietjes (talk) 13:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    • The HTML committee does not seem very keen on deprecating anything, so I think you need not worry here (<s> has been un-deprecated in HTML5, actually). Keφr 06:03, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Weak delete as redundant, though weak because it can be changed easier than the software handling of the s tag. —PC-XT+ 02:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to !vote straight delete, because I don't know of an instance where template syntax is preferable to tag syntax, (there are often rather too many curly braces,) and there are already so many uses of the tag that the template could only do so much. —PC-XT+ 05:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. People use it. I personally use it – probably just because I find it easier to remember and easier to understand (when reading the source) than the alternative (and I wasn't aware that it was exactly equivalent). If there is some technical reason that it needs to be deleted, then OK. Otherwise, why remove something that a substantial number of people find useful? —BarrelProof (talk) 18:52, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Euphemisms (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

No page links to it and it does not seem to have practical use in a encyclopedia. Skronie (talk) 15:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Does not seem very popular indeed, but WP:EUPHEMISM is a part of the MOS, and a rather agreeable one. However, this is such a trivial problem that fixing the article on the spot takes less time than affixing a maintenance tag. Delete. Keφr 04:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Redirect to {{tone}} or {{copyedit}} -- (talk) 09:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • If kept, suggest rename to something like "Cleanup-euphemisms" (or maybe "Contains euphemisms", "Too many euphemisms", etc) as "Template:Euphemisms" likely to be read as being a template about euphemisms rather than as a warning/cleanup template. Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I second this renaming suggestion, if kept. —PC-XT+ 02:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

September 14[edit]

Template:Link GA[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy close. Template is used at the moment in thousand pages. We have to be sure migration has finished successfully. I am the one who authorised the bot to start removing the template in English Wikipedia. Feel free to resent in TfD after bot is done. Magioladitis (talk) 00:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Link GA (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused. Byfserag (talk) 03:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Provisional keep Is there a way to automatically update Wikidata without the template on the local version of Wikipedia? If yes, then delete. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Unused? Well I had it on both my GA pages, and a bot just removed it. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 01:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
@Mgoodyear: It is being migrated to Wikidata. The badges appear there and on Wikipedia. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Byfserag I do not understand this haste. The Link GA is not unused at the moment. The bot still checks whether everything was migrated in Wikidata. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:26, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Link FA[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Sppedy close. Bot has not finished yet. Check my comment above Magioladitis (talk) 00:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Link FA (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused. Byfserag (talk) 03:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment does WikiData perform this function now? -- (talk) 03:29, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Provisional keep Is there a way to automatically update Wikidata without the template on the local version of Wikipedia? If yes, then delete. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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September 13[edit]

Template:Infobox Duke University campus[edit]

Template:Infobox Duke University campus (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

duplicates either {{infobox institute}} or {{infobox building}} or {{infobox park}} depending on the context. Frietjes (talk) 16:22, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Yeah, this should probably be replaced, then deleted —PC-XT+ 21:39, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I see it has already been replaced, so just delete —PC-XT+ 21:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:RMSband (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

core content is redlinks, and group member are already linked though band page. Frietjes (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete - main article does not even have 50 edits methinks. Doubtful that the redlinks will be created. starship.paint ~ regal 10:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:CW US Territories[edit]

Template:CW US Territories (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Other US Territories Stations (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Propose merging Template:CW US Territories with Template:Other US Territories Stations.
Wikipedia:NENAN. There is now only one CW station in PR. Also Template:Other US Territories Stations should be categorized by network affiliates. John123521 (Talk-Contib.) RA 13:26, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Found out Template:Other Florida Stations also categorized by markets. But still.--John123521 (Talk-Contib.) RA 14:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Merge because the first template provides no navigation on its own. —PC-XT+ 19:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:The Wyatt Family[edit]

Template:The Wyatt Family (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Wikipedia:NENAN. Only four links. starship.paint ~ regal 10:05, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Delete per Starship paint. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

September 12[edit]

Template:Links to All Liberty Ships[edit]

Template:Links to All Liberty Ships (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 21:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Seems ok to delete this, since the list was apparently reorganized —PC-XT+ 05:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Lists of Band of Brothers veteran deaths[edit]

Template:Lists of Band of Brothers veteran deaths (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

all red links. Frietjes (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete as useless with only one blue link —PC-XT+ 05:24, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Current-anytext (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 21:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Current Australian COTF[edit]

Template:Current Australian COTF (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current-ANTHCOTM (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current-CS-COTW (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current France COTM (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current-GCOTW (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current Gold Coast COTF (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:CurrentHHC (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current-MCOTM (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:CurrentPhilCOTW (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current LPMCOTW (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current Malaysian collaboration (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current Mormon COTM (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current Texan COTM (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Current ZHCOTW (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

defunct. Frietjes (talk) 21:26, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Old discussions[edit]

September 11[edit]

Template:MapleStory Versions content[edit]

Template:MapleStory Versions content (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:MapleStory Versions (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:MapleStory Versions content index (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

single use templates which should be merged with the article (should probably preserve history of the first two templates by moving to a subpage and redirecting, but the last one is fairly trivial). note, Category:Templates for MapleStory should be deleted as well. Frietjes (talk) 19:01, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Malaysian Shuffle[edit]

Template:Malaysian Shuffle (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Subst and delete. Only used in one article and I can't foresee other uses. I suspect the creator was trying to create a link to a new article, but mistakenly created a new template instead. DH85868993 (talk) 01:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Subst and delete per nom, as it appears this was created by accident —PC-XT+ 04:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Govinda sidebar[edit]

Template:Govinda sidebar (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Unused. Delete per general precedent and Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_13#Template:Govinda (actor) sidebar. DH85868993 (talk) 00:47, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

September 10[edit]

Template:American Inline Hockey League[edit]

Template:American Inline Hockey League (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

I've cleaned this up, but the template is still full of redlinks, and from AFD discussions on some of the redlinks, it doesn't appear as if many of them will turn blue - indeed some of the blue links may also be deleted. NSH002 (talk) 22:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


Template:Revisionuser (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

This was originally RfD'd, but it was then changed to a template, resulting in a procedural close. It's not useful as a template either, though. See details at Template talk:REVISIONUSER#Issue with Template:Revisionuser related to this template. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete per referenced discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 15:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. I started it as a redirect, fixed a problem noted because the redirect actually didn't work right, but I'm not going to argue over it. Is having a lowercase equivalent (intended to work like a redirect) for the Template:REVISIONUSER useful? You decide. Wnt (talk) 15:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
    • I'm going to say no, since if it were, the REVISIONUSER magic word wouldn't explicitly be marked case-sensitive in the code. (And if it were useful for some reason, we should change that, rather than making a wrapper template for no reason.) Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:37, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete per Jackmcbarn —PC-XT+ 01:11, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • keep or soft redirect to a help page like {{!}}. Deleted templates which works are very strange if you dont know about magic words. Christian75 (talk) 06:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    @Christian75: Once we delete this, {{Revisionuser}} won't work anymore. Only {{REVISIONUSER}} will, and we're not deleting Template:REVISIONUSER. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    Ok, thanks, my mistake - then I dont care :-) Christian75 (talk)

2014 FIFA World Cup editnotices[edit]

Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup disciplinary record (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group A (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group B (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group C (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group D (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group E (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group F (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group G (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup Group H (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup knockout stage (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup squads (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup statistics (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup goalscorers (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup Group A table (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup Group B table (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup Group C table (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup Group D table (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup Group E table (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup Group F table (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup Group G table (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup Group H table (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2014 FIFA World Cup stadium statistics (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Editnotices/Page/List of 2014 FIFA World Cup matches (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)(added 03:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC))

The 2014 FIFA World Cup finished in July. So these "Please do not update statistics or scores while a match is in progress" editnotices are no longer required, as confirmed by this discussion at WikiProject Football. DH85868993 (talk) 04:16, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

@John of Reading: A general template already exists at {{Livescores editnotice}} and can easily be re-used. For more info please read my comment below. QED237 (talk) 11:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
@Qed237: These three edit notices contain much extra material in addition to the {{Livescores editnotice}}. I'm suggesting that the extra material be saved for re-use. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:01, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Sorry, I misunderstood you, but know I understand and I agree. That extra information can be useful. QED237 (talk) 19:21, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete all - no longer required, although creating a general edit notice for the World Cup which can be used across all relevant pages whenever there is a tournament on is a good idea. That's probably a discussion for WT:FOOTBALL though. GiantSnowman 09:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 09:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman: A general template at {{Livescores editnotice}} already exists and a discussion at FOOTY has already taken place (however a new discussion about further use may be appropriate). For more info please read my comment below. QED237 (talk) 11:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

September 9[edit]

Template:Interclube Men's Basketball past rosters[edit]

Template:Interclube Men's Basketball past rosters (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Interclube Women's Basketball past rosters (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Recreativo do Libolo Basketball past rosters (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Petro Atlético Basketball past rosters (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Primeiro de Agosto Men's Basketball past rosters (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Primeiro de Agosto Women's Basketball past rosters (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 16:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:C.D. Primeiro de Agosto (handball) 2013-2014[edit]

Template:C.D. Primeiro de Agosto (handball) 2013-2014 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:C.D. Primeiro de Agosto (handball) 2012-2013 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:C.D. Primeiro de Agosto (handball) 2011-2012 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Atlético Petróleos de Luanda (handball) 2013-2014 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

all red links. Frietjes (talk) 15:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete all as premature/useless —PC-XT+ 18:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Electro SC do Lobito (handball) 2012-2013[edit]

Template:Electro SC do Lobito (handball) 2012-2013 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

sixth place squad, and all red links. Frietjes (talk) 15:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete as premature/useless —PC-XT+ 18:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Progresso Associação do Sambizanga (handball) 2013-2014[edit]

Template:Progresso Associação do Sambizanga (handball) 2013-2014 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Progresso Associação do Sambizanga (handball) 2012-2013 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Atlético Sport Aviação (handball) 2013-2014 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)
Template:Atlético Sport Aviação (handball) 2012-2013 (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

almost all redlinks. Frietjes (talk) 15:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete all as premature/useless with only 2 or 3 blue links total on each, including title articles —PC-XT+ 18:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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