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What Motivates People To Edit?[edit]

I just wanted to ask people who have been editing Wikipedia for a while what motivates them to make edits and use the site? What pleasure do they get from editing Wikipedia articles? I myself have browsed and read for years but never got into editing because I am super busy with so many things and don't really have the time or passion. I'm also wondering if the typical Wikipedia user is unemployed or stays at home a lot (not that there is anything wrong with those things) since I would think it is pretty time-consuming to edit and use Wikipedia on a regular basis. BikeRider95 (talk) 14:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

The pleasure I get is the same one may get from organizing a messy drawer, vacuuming a dirty floor or organizing a closet. But that probably is related to the type of editing I do. YMMV. Also, editing Wikipedia doesn't have to be time-consuming. Creating an article doesn't have to be hard, either. A stub can be banged out in minutes and it can later be expanded by others, little by little, to become a featured article. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 14:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
By editing, I learn. I now know more about the history of the Pershing missile than I did when I was a missile tech. Ditto for Lone Scouts of America, Boy Rangers of America, American Boy Scouts, Sons of Daniel Boone and other historical Scouting organizations— I never heard of these when I was a young Scout. --  Gadget850 talk 14:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I like to write. And by writing/improving articles on Wikipedia I reach a wider audience than other methods I've found. (Except for that one message I left on a building wall many years ago.) -- llywrch (talk) 16:54, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
As an example of what Frecklefoot said, I created this stub when I'd been editing for four months. Others improved on that, and ten months after creation, it was promoted to featured article, although it's not yet been Today's featured article. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The first two articles I created (Perspective and MNIST database) were motivated by the thought "I can't believe they don't have an article on that." Also, there's a certain satisfaction in cleaning up a project that's used by so many people and knowing that something you have created has helped others in a concrete way. I recently met someone who basically learned about the field of artificial intelligence largely through the article Convolutional neural network. APerson (talk!) 01:29, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Couple types of motivation. Photography-wise, current motivation is "why doesn't Wikipedia have this? / Wikipedia deserves to have this" (especially with NRHP sites). Article-wise, a decent amount has been "this local topic deserves better coverage" a la Italian Hall and Jacobsville Sandstone (both articles I started). Chris857 (talk) 01:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Quite frankly, the reason I edit is because something I care about is missing. I view the world in terms of interconnections and patterns, and when the best that the world's encyclopedia has is some scattered mentions without any larger context, it is an intellectual imperative to get that content out there in a way that shows people the connections that I can see in my head. I guess it's a manifestation of intellectual loneliness, or possibly arrogance - I want others to be able to see things the way I do. VanIsaacWScont 06:52, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

use of single quotes[edit]

The first paragraph of CDC 3000 uses a phrase in single quotes three times. I've seen it in quite a few other articles. To me this seems improper - single quotes are to be used as a quote within a quote, as far as I know. Is there any policy or guideline about this? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

MOS:QUOTEMARKS and MOS:QUOTE. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Per those sources, it would seem the use of the single quotes is incorrect. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 13:42, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Showing support Comment[edit]

On a WikiProjects talk page is there some standard way to attribute support to someone else's comment? For example, if a proposal is made, just to say.. "Yeah, I think that's a great idea".. without writing "Yea, I think that's a great idea" .. To get behind it and show your support. i.e. (thumbs up) ? David Condrey (talk) 23:32, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

No. See Wikipedia:Deletion review/Perennial requests#Template:Support. Qwfp (talk) 11:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Some people 👍 Like the {{like}} template. If you look at the template's page, there's a long list of similar ones towards the bottom. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Some Office Hours, with Gayle Karen Young[edit]

Hello, all. Tomorrow, the Foundation's Chief Talent and Culture Officer, Gayle Karen Young, will be answering questions in an IRC Office hour. The topic will be "Experiencing Transition: an org perspective." Please join us for the discussion.

Srebrenica massacre[edit]

This article should be called Srebrenica genocide. ICTY's verdict in this case is clear and it's internationally recognized. I know that this issue was discussed earlier, but it's still status quo. Who doesn't allow to call things by their real names? -- KWiki (talk) 23:31, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Category:Holocaust massacres and pogroms are all genocidal too, but that doesn't mean they have to have "genocide" in the article title.--Pharos (talk) 01:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Srebrenica genocide redirects to Srebrenica massacre, and the article has "Srebrenica genocide" in the first sentence. Apparently this issue has been debated on Talk:Srebrenica massacre - you may want to check the archives there. GoingBatty (talk) 02:43, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Templates written by banned editor[edit]

I know that a number of templates have been speedy deleted (WP:G5) because they were created by banned editors, but I do not know hw to find them. Can someone help me?--DThomsen8 (talk) 00:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

See the related discussion on "What to do with articles written by banned editor" over in Village Pump (Idea lab)--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Please note that other editors transcluding the template exempts it from the G5 CSD criterion, and it needs to be brought through PROD or TfD. VanIsaacWScont 03:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I believe (but so far I cannot find them) that there were a number of templates by banned users deleted in July, particularly connected with Philadelphia and Pennsylvania, by whatever method. Please provide help on this situation.--DThomsen8 (talk) 17:01, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Is this OK?[edit]

(My English isn't very good)I see that in this artice:Liu_Liankun,the picture of "template of Chinese military stub" has been changed to a photo of Jiang Zhongzheng,is this oK?-- パンツァー VI-IIFu7ラジオ❂In the Republic of China 103rd.民國103年 13:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure, why not? It's better than the generic person icon it used to have. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 14:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
This puzzles me. At Liu Liankun, there are two stub templates, {{China-mil-bio-stub}} and {{China-hist-stub}}. The former was added with this edit; the latter with this edit. Both of these were more than seven years ago. Of the images in those stub templates, the current image in {{China-mil-bio-stub}} was added with this edit, and the current image in {{China-hist-stub}} was added with this edit. Again, these are not particularly recent. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:42, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Can someone who knows about China change the images to more recent or more appropriate ones? --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


I was appalled that a individual would put Pemoline drug into a horse's system for the sake of money! After reading what this drug does to human's alone a equine. The article I was referring to was at United States Trotting Association in Suspensions for 7/11/2014. Seeing this I had to look up this drug and see what side affects this has to do with humans. My question is what would happen to any equine if given to them and side affects over a long period of time. Far has I'm concerned all individual's who apply any kind of narcotic to Equine should be jailed and sentence for life from that industry and barred from ever entering any racing building in the world period.

Frank — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superfectkid (talkcontribs) 17:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not here for us to express opinions about how different forms of behaviour should be dealt with, but you may find some statements about how it is dealt with in the article Cruelty to animals, which focuses heavily on this topic. For your question about effects and side effects, you could try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
We could also use some help improving Equine drug testing, which goes over many of the various banned medications (and the ones that aren't but should be). If Pemoline is being used on racehorses, it probably needs to be added there. Montanabw(talk) 19:05, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

We need more eyes on this[edit]

A request for comment here has drawn the attention of the same old editors. We need some new eyes on this question: Should a list of journal articles written by Daniel Amen be used in his biography? 20:23, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I have rarely participated in this kind of discussion (if ever), but I was pleased to respond to your request. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:40, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


How do I get a Wikipedia:WikiGnome instead of a red mushroom on my talk page?--DThomsen8 (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Change your "topicon" template to {{WikiGnome topicon|alt=yes}}
Happy editing, WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:00, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

New category idea: Visitor attraction trails (or groupings)[edit]

I have an idea for a category but I have a problem. I can't find more than two articles that will fit into it, although I would think there would be more. The category would be called "Visitor attraction trails" or "Visitor attraction groupings" (or any better phrase others can come up with). The description I have is "This category includes groupings of attractions grouped for (usually) industrial commonality and guided travel between the destinations. These could also be called suggested itineraries." So far, I can only find Kentucky Bourbon Trail and The Industrial Heritage Trail that would go into it. I'm open to all suggestions, including not creating this category at this time, but ideally, I'm hoping there are other articles that fit in the category. My motivation for creating this category is that Kentucky Bourbon Trail was categorized in "Trails" but then incorrectly moved to a hiking trails category. My initial thought was that there should be at least several similar kinds of trails notable enough to have articles here. Thoughts? Stevie is the man! TalkWork 21:40, 13 July 2014 (UTC)