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Welcome to the Go WikiProject. We are a group dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of the game of Go, known also as baduk, igo, and weiqi.

(For more information on WikiProjects, please see WikiProject and the Guide to WikiProjects.)

Go
photograph of Go equipment with game in progress
Go is played on a grid of black lines (usually 19×19). The playing pieces, called stones, are played on the intersections of the lines.
Skill(s) required Tactics, strategy, observation
The first 60 moves of a Go game between Cho Chikun (white) and Kato Masao, animated. This particular game quickly developed into a complicated fight in the lower left and bottom. (Click on the board, to restart the play, in a larger window.)

Contents

[edit] Goals and scope

Goals

To expand and improve articles in Category:Go (game), in particular adding diagrams and upgrading biographical pages and the coverage of go competitions around the world.

  • To keep tabs on changes to Go-related articles. Here is a list of all the most recent edits to Go articles. (It's one of many to be found here.)
Scope
  • Emphasis on professional go, and strategy.

[edit] Guidelines

We should in particular discuss some format issues for different types of articles, romanization of names, how to tabulate results.

[edit] Open tasks

edit · history · watch · refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Go:

Here are some tasks you can do:

[edit] Members

This is a list of project members in alphabetical order. Please feel free to add yourself at the appropriate position, and to indicate any areas of particular interest.

  1. Alexf (talk · contribs) Semi-retired. Haven't played in a long time. Was AGA 1-dan.
  2. Anermay (talk · contribs) willing to improve items, especially for Chinese players.
  3. Autarch (talk · contribs) I am an active Wikipedian and rusty Go player.
  4. BabelStone (talk · contribs) I'm mostly interested in the history of Go.
  5. By78 (talk · contribs)
  6. CanbekEsen (talk · contribs) I'm a 4 kyu player who is actively playing.
  7. Charles Matthews (talk · contribs) I'm now an active teacher,
    Matthews in Uganda June 2006
    but haven't played competitively for a few years (was about 2300 EGF when rated).
  8. Davou (talk · contribs) I would like to contribute some images.
  9. Devildope (talk · contribs) I am a 12kyu from Antioch, Illinois and would like to promote Go in Northern Illinois and would like to comment on the different books that I have read.
  10. Fafas (talk · contribs) I'm only KGS 1 dan.
  11. Gamerhead (talk · contribs) I'm a rusty not very good 30-36 kyu player.
  12. HermanHiddema (talk · contribs) 3 dan player from the Netherlands.
  13. Hu (talk · contribs) Active Wikipedian (in phases), desultorily active on Sensei's Library. Bold enough to touch almost anything, but as a weak single digit kyu player, I'm not skilled at the game, and would be careful about touching anything that deals with tactics and strategy.
  14. Jisifu (talk · contribs) I am a 2-dan on KGS. Go makes life more fascinating.
  15. Jonpro (talk · contribs)
  16. JoshuaKuo (talk · contribs) play go in my spare time, approx 5-10 kyu (depends on who you ask)
  17. JustinBlank (talk · contribs) 3-5 kyu (depending on who you ask) from the US. Barely active on wikipedia and senseis. Most of my go related edits concern Japanese professional Go.
  18. Larry R. Holmgren (talk · contribs) 20:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC) I'm interested in compiling strategy and concepts. See: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Go/to_do
  19. Leesed0l (talk · contribs)
  20. Matthew_Yeager (talk · contribs)
  21. Mephistophelian (talk · contribs) Will contribute to Go history, strategy, terminology and biographies.
  22. Nelsonheber (talk · contribs) I just enjoy playing. I'll help where I can. I also made a userbox for the ranks from 25kyu to 7dan if anyone wants to use them. Rank Userboxes.
  23. Ninly (talk · contribs) Copyeditor and beginner/DDK player in Brooklyn, NY.
  24. Oakwillow (talk · contribs) When I get bored I like to play go.
  25. PetitBouda (talk · contribs) French player
  26. PonceHill (talk · contribs) I'm a single-digit kyu player, and am so fond of both go and Wikipedia I can't begin to say.
  27. Pstaight (talk · contribs) I'm a 9 kyu player interested in promoting Go in the US. Specifically, I’m trying to run minor tournaments at Animé Expo.
  28. Razorflame (talk · contribs) I am an avid Go player 24-26 kyu and I am interested in strategies, how the game looks after the game is completed, major players; pretty much anything about Go, you name it, I'll like it.
  29. Robert McGuigan (talk · contribs)
  30. Selket (talk · contribs) I probably won't be contributing all that much, but keep me informed of goings on, particularly with the recent article creation difficulties. (somewhere in the 22-27k range, depending on who you ask)
  31. SmokeyTheCat (talk · contribs) I claim to be 1 Dan and will do whatever I can to help. I'll do without the Userbox as I have enough of them already.
  32. Steve Kroon (talk · contribs) I'm interested in the professional system, ranking systems, and tournaments
  33. Steven Walling (talk · contribs) Mostly interested in expanding the equipment, history and strategy pages. Player at the AGA Portland, Oregon club. 10kyu
  34. Tayzhian (talk · contribs) Around 10k. KGS player. Contributing to wikipedia.
  35. TDerz (talk · contribs) (Thomas Derz) German 3 dan from The Netherlands. Few tournaments in the last years. Sensei's Library & Go_Discussions. Philosophy & Chinese sources
  36. TheSacricolist (talk · contribs) I'm new to both Wikipedia and Go, but I love both. I'm a 15 k player on KGS and will help where I can.
  37. Trafford09 (talk · contribs) As at Oct. 2011, I'm very active on Wikipedia and highly active in UK Go. I'm a 3-5 kyu BGA player and will help where I can. I'd love to see a Go Portal like the Chess one - see the talk page for ideas.
  38. Yankee Rajput (talk · contribs) I'd like to learn more; I'm terrible.

[edit] Userboxes

Members may also display the following userbox on their User page, (taken from Template:User WikiProject Go):

T gogame.jpg This user is a member of WikiProject Go.

Go-players are most welcome to display the following userbox on their User page, (courtesy of User:Scepia):

Go board part.jpg This user is a Go player.

[edit] Watchers

About 500 editors have Go (game) on their watchlist (verify).

[edit] Articles

  • Here is a list of all the most recent edits to Go articles. (It's one of many to be found here.)

[edit] Featured content

[edit] Candidates

[edit] New articles

Please feel free to list your new Go-related articles here (newer articles at the top, please). Any new articles that have an interesting or unusual fact in them should be suggested for the Did you know? box on the Main Page.

[edit] Sensei's Library content

There is a discussion page on the Sensei's Library (SL) go wiki, designed to create interest in this project, and to provide a forum in which to discuss adaptation of material currently there on SL for WP.

[edit] Collaboration and review

Collaboration of the week
Peer review
Assessment

[edit] Templates

Note: One can list the articles that use a given template. For instance, {{WikiProject_Go}} is used in these articles.
  • Template:Go tournament - an infobox for Go tournaments.
  • Template:Round16 - a template for 16-player knockout tournaments.
  • Template:succession box - used for things like the Honinbo, where you can click on the next and previous holder of a title (or winner of a tournament)
  • Template:Game of Go Position - a template for Go positions. There are more, but should probably not be used at the moment. See the discussion page, as it seems the plan is to use inline images for board positions.

Not sure what the ones below are for:

[edit] Categories

Note that [[Category:Go (game)]] is itself a child of several parent categories.

These parents can be seen here, in this alternative display of the category tree, as well as the numbers of Categories and Pages/articles per subcategory.

Go (game)
► Go competitions
► Computer Go
► Go games
History of go
Go openings
► Go organizations
Go players
► Go researchers
► Go rules
► Go software
Years in go
Go stubs
Go templates


[edit] Resources

[edit] Related projects

[edit] Books

for reference and consultation

[edit] Project Statistics

Bot-generated statistics (on articles having the project banner {{WikiProject Go}} on their talk pages).

Go articles by quality and importance
Quality Importance
Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total
B 2 3 2 1 2 10
C 2 1 2 2 2 9
Start 4 10 2 23 39
Stub 2 8 6 89 105
List 1 1
Category 39 39
Disambig 1 1
File 1 1
Template 23 23
NA 1 1
Assessed 4 10 23 11 65 116 229
Unassessed 1 2 374 377
Total 4 11 25 11 65 490 606


For more information see:

Category:Go articles by quality
Category:Go articles by importance


[edit] Notability of Professional Go-players

[This section was added by Trafford09 (talk) 00:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC) and has been modified by others]

Wikipedia has guidelines concerning the notability of living people. A question sometimes asked is: How strong a Professional rank must a Go professional enjoy, to be considered notable by Wikipedia? A quick and easy answer to this is that professional 4-dans (often denoted 4P) should be considered notable. This is because that level is the best estimate of a rank equivalent to a Chess Grandmaster.

This is the usually-accepted and researched opinion from an informed editor - life-long Go and chess player (& WP admin.) User:Charles Matthews - that 4-dan pro and above [i.e. from 4-dan up to the highest (9-dan)] are on a par with chess grandmasters, hence notable in the Go world.

I think that this can only be said to be true for Japanese professionals, where (prior to 200'N') their were 3 tiers of professional status. Given the new system in place at the Nihon Kiin does this still hold true? The system used at the Kansai Kiin is a mystery to me. For China, Taiwan and South Korea there are different systems. Also, I have no knowledge that Charles is an expert on Chess...--ZincBelief (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not a chess expert, but have a working knowledge of the game. Kansai Kiin grades are probably (now) less reputable, and mainly in the lower tiers used to accredit teachers. In each system there is going to be a barrier corresponding to a "career choice": it would be less common, I think, for a pro 4 dan in Japan to take up something else. But that is partly cultural.
One should note, however - and it is a big "however" - that the reduction of "notability" to "enough verifiable information" works in favour of lower-ranked pros being counted as notable in WP's sense. I have never quite bought into that argument; but the fact is that yearbooks in Japan and South Korea carry good-quality biographical information even for quite low-ranked pros. The population of pro go players in the world is under 1000 living, a few times that if you include dead players too. Judging by what is done for cricket, we could easily argue that every player who has played in a Kisei Tournament (or others out of the same box), or any international all-pro tournament, should be included here. The fact that the Wisden equivalents are in oriental languages is not an argument against at all - rather the opposite.
Anyway, it would be good to have a consensus version of this discussion as a project page, rather than a thread. That is the customary procedure. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
From Talk:Tatsuaki Iwata. I don't really see the need for a specific notability guideline for Go professionals, and I'd like to be pointed to the one about chess grandmasters, which I could not find. Then, even if it exists, the parallel should be drawn at the maximum level, so that a grandmaster pairs with a Go 9p. --M4gnum0n (talk) 23:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Hm, if we were to implement this 4 dan benchmark, then someone like Tuo Jiaxi would be deemed not notable enough for Wikipedia because of his 3 dan rank, despite winning a major title (Chang-ki Cup in 2010) and winning four times in a row in the 10th Nongshim Cup. He was also first in most wins last year with 56. Manfred Wimmer would also be not notable enough despite being the first Western professional.
I believe that any go player, if they have reached professional strength, should be notable enough if not only for being a professional in their field. I also believe the Go players article needs a massive overhaul to give readers, new and old, a clearer picture of professional go. Just my two cents.
P.S. I know this is a bit off-topic, but why are the Japanese names reversed? I can't think of anywhere that refers to the players in the way WP does. I find it largely confusing and annoying to say "Rin Kono" when everywhere else says "Kono Rin". Leesed0l (talk) 06:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I think it's reasonable to say that if someone is professional 4 dan then they should be considered notable. This should not imply that everyone below 4 dan fails notability: they may be notable for other reasons. I've edited the first paragraph of this section: 4 dan certainly gives a quick criterion, but there's doubt as to whether it's completely accurate. (Regarding the name order: I don't like it, but it's standard policy on Wikipedia: for Japanese people born in 1868 or later the family name comes last (but the family name comes first in Chinese and in Korean).) Jowa fan (talk) 12:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough. I guess I may have misconstrued the original guideline a bit. If I may trouble you a bit more, could you please look at the discussion at Talk:Go players? I've made the suggestion that only players who have won a major title in their respective countries or an international title should be included in the list, with the rest staying in the categories. Otherwise, the page becomes a replica of information that could be found in their appropriate categories. Thanks! Leesed0l (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

[edit] References for Professional Go-players

[This section was added by Trafford09 (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)]

In years gone by, before some of us joined Wikiproject Go, various editors commendably added BLP articles for many renowned Go Professionals. These editors' work is much appreciated. However, in some cases there were insufficient References, External links and inline citations added. As Wikipedia has, quite rightly, tightened up on these aspects, we are faced with a certain backlog of work in this area.

Editors looking for references to add to these BLPs are sometimes unaware of the richest sources for such links. Thus, the following sources are suggested as a help. Please add to them if you know of further ones.

[edit] Fuseki.Info

E.g. to get results for the 9-dan Shuchi Kubouchi - like this, what we can do is:

  1. Click on this link, (you may prefer to open it in a secondary tab or window). This opens up a list of all professional games on that site.
  2. The box to the left of Search initially contains Date. Change it to say Player.
  3. In the empty box to the left of Player, type in the player's given name and/or surname.
  4. Click on the Search button. This should bring up a list of that player's results, and their rank.
  5. If you didn't enter the player's full name, click on the player you're looking for, in the resulting list of games. This should limit the games to those in which that one professional played.
  6. The resulting URL (as in the example above) is then available to use as a reference for that player.

[edit] GoBase.Org

E.g. to get results for the 9-dan Cho Chikun, like this: http://gobase.org/information/players/?pp=Cho+Chikun, what we can do is:

  1. Use a link like the one above, with the player's name
  2. This should bring up a list of that player's GoBase info..
  3. The resulting URL (as in the example above) is then available to use as a reference for that player.
  4. Also, look at the line within GoBase, that is entitled www. If it has a website shown (as it does for Cho Chikun), then that too is then available to use as a further reference for that player. A large proportion of such a web page may be in say Japanese, but it should clearly back up the claimed name, grade and affiliation.

[edit] nihonkiin.or.jp

E.g. to get results from the Nihon Ki-in for the 9-dan Cho Chikun, (http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/htm/ki000004.htm), what we can do is:

  1. Construct a search within www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/ for the player concerned,
    e.g. use a URL like this one for Cho Chikun, and then modify the contents, for the name of the player you're seeking:
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cho+chikun+site%3Awww.nihonkiin.or.jp%2Fplayer%2F&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off&tbs=
  2. The resulting search page lists the URLs for any entries for that player on the Nihon Kiin site.
    E.g. in the case of Cho Chikun, it lists two URLs (note that you have to add http:// in front):
    * http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/player-e/cho-chikun.htm and
    * http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/htm/ki000004.htm
  3. The URL(s) thus shown are then available to use as reference(s) for that player.
  4. The links would probably also show personal & professional details for the player - e.g. tournaments won, rank, DOB, where born, their sensei (master/teacher) & perhaps some of their insei (players whom they have taught). These details may be added to the player's WP article.

[edit] American Go Association

E.g. to get results from the American Go Association for the 6-dan player Mingjiu Jiang, what we can do is:

  1. Construct a search within www.usgo.org for the player concerned,
    e.g. use a URL like this one for Mingjiu Jiang, and then modify the contents, for the name of the player you're seeking:
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Awww.usgo.org+Mingjiu+Jiang&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
  2. The URL(s) thus shown (in this case 212 of them!) are then potentially available to use as reference(s) for that player. Common sense, allied with browsing the article's statements, will lead one to use the best URLs from those that appear.

[edit] GoGameWorld

E.g. to get results from the GoGameWorld for the 9-dan player Yamashita Keigo, what we can do is:

  1. Construct a search within www.gogameworld.com for the player concerned,
    e.g. use a URL like this one for Yamashita Keigo, and then modify the contents, for the name of the player you're seeking:
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Awww.usgo.org+Mingjiu+Jiang&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=site:www.gogameworld.com+Yamashita+Keigo&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=de610b7113b09eab
  2. The URL(s) thus shown will hopefully contain at least one saying "Player Profile for Yamashita Keigo ...". Check it, and if it's ok then it is potentially available to use as a reference for that player.

[edit] External watchlist

Note: This is a very useful means of tracking changes to Go articles. It's much better than one's standard wp:Watchlist, if the latter has many pages, especially as the list here is filtered purely to Go articles:

Another beneficial tool is a variation on the above. This one shows activity on Go articles' Talk pages. That's handy to see who's asking / answering questions, and who's assessing Go articles (kudos to them):

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