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On this WP:WSS subpage, you can propose new stub types (please read the procedures beforehand!), as well as the reorganization and subdivision of existing stub types. You can also discuss anything else related to stubs on the talk page.

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[edit] Proposing new stub types - procedure

Important: If you wish to propose the creation of a stub ARTICLE you've come to the wrong place. If you don't have a username yourself, please go to WP:AFC for proposing a new article. If you already have a username, you can create the article yourself. If you don't know how, add {{Helpme}} to your user talk page to request help from other editors. This page only deals with stub TEMPLATES and CATEGORIES; we cannot help you with creating articles.

Proposing new stub types
If you wish to propose a new stub category and template, please follow these procedures:
  1. Check the List of stub types or under Cat:Stub categories to make sure that your proposed new stub does not already exist.
  2. List it at the top of the current month's section, under a header, like the ones shown (if any). Sign it with a datestamp (~~~~).
    • Please bear in mind that a stub category isn't about the importance or notability of the topic!
  3. Find a good number[1] of stub articles, as many as you can, that will fit that template. You may use this tool to scan through categories. Each of these articles can be:
    • currently marked with {{stub}};
    • currently marked with another type of stub tag (in which case you should justify why your tag is better for the article than the current one);
    • a stub whose categorisation is highly ambiguous or questionable;
    • not marked as a stub.
  4. Others may do the same, if they so desire.
  5. 5 days after listing it here, if there is general approval or no objection, go ahead and create the new category and template following the format on Wikipedia:Stub. List the new stub type on the stub types list in an appropriate section. If consensus is not clear, or discussion is still ongoing, the proposal will remain open until consensus can be reached.
  6. If you wish to propose a stub type which does not currently have 60 articles that could use it, you may propose an upmerged template in a similar way. An upmerged template would feed into currently existing stub categories until such time that there are enough stubs for a separate stub category. At that point a category for it may be separately proposed.

DO NOT place a proposal here for any stub type which has already been created and is being discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries or Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The proposal page is only for stub types that have not yet been created, and it is better to keep any discussion of such stub types in one place rather than splitting it between different pages.

^ . Good number means about 60 articles or more, or 30 or more if it is the primary stub type of a WikiProject, though this figure may vary from case to case.


[edit] "Speedy creation"

A stub type may be proposed for "speedy creation" if it meets one of the following criteria:

  • S1 - the creation of a category for which an approved upmerged template already exists and is now in use on more than 60 articles.
  • S2 - the creation of an upmerged national-level template for a subject in which other such national-level templates currently exist (e.g., X-bio-stub, X-hist-stub, or X-geo-stub, where X is the name of an internationally widely recognised country) or other instances where a clearly established pattern of similar subtypes exists. The proposed topic may not be controversial in scope.

List speedy creation proposals in the same proposal listings as normal stub proposals below.

[edit] Proposals, November 2009

Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.

If (after approval) you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the list of stub types. This page will be archived in its entirety once all discussions have been closed; there is no need to move them to another page.

[edit] NEW PROPOSALS

[edit] Cat:2010s science fiction novel stubs and {{2010s-sf-novel-stub}}

As 2010 is fast approaching, and more and more novels are known to be released in the upcoming year (many of the articles are already created), I think it would be good to create the support structure now for what will inevitably be a large category. They would have the same basic structure as Cat:2000s science fiction novel stubs and {{2000s-sf-novel-stub}}. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{NewZealand-sports-venue-stub}}/Cat:New Zealand sports venue stubs

Looks like about half of the 100-odd stubs in Cat:Oceanian sports venue stubs are in New Zealand, which suggests that a separate template at least would be a good idea. Catscan suggests there are 58 stubs, and I doubt it would be too difficult to find another two - so a separate category might be worthwhile, too. Grutness...wha? 00:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

PS-I found two more which weren't marked, so there are 60 NZ ones and still 40+ left for the parent Oceania category. Grutness...wha? 00:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Bulgaria-writer-stub}}

Most are not stub sorted... Starzynka (talk) 17:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Tanzanian sportspeople stubs

Potential category would contain more than 60 stubs based on current upmerging. Speedy?--TM 14:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

(nods) Grutness...wha? 22:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Cue-sports-vg-stub}} / Cat:Cue sports video game stubs

(or {{Cue-sports-videogame-stub}} if we want to be longwinded) Don't have 60 yet, but something like 1/3 of all cue sports non-bio stubs (that's a separate stubcat) are video games. Driving me nuts (I'm pretty much the only one who ever bothers looking at cue sports stubs, except maybe for User:Fuhghettaboutit, and I go looking for articles to watch and work on that are more important to the goals of WP:CUE). As for 60, there are certainly way more pool/billiards/snooker video games than that. I've noted at least 10 new ones released this year alone, for everything from Wii to mobile Java. Their swamping of Cat:Cue sports stubs is only going to increase. Finally, it would be helpful to have these all in one place so I could point the video games WikiProject at them. The new stubcat would be a sub-cat of both the cue sports and relevant video games (sports and simulation) stub cats., I suppose. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

PS: Still finding more of them; many are not even classified under cue sports at all yet, just video games. I'll report findings when I get a chance, maybe afternoon (US Mountain Time) on Sun. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Update: 32 33 stub articles found for this category so far, now all classified in Cat:Cue sports stubs, out of 75 total stubs in the category, plus 2 more in the Cat:Snooker stubs subcategory. I have yet to even scratch the surface of looking in non-stub categories of existing sports, simulation, etc. video game articles for pages that should be tagged as stubs but which are not. There are also 2 or 3 redirects to article sections on videogames that are in articles on other videogames (preceding games in a series) that should be their own articles, plus there are 25 more redlinks to should-be stubs of this sort, listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Wanted cue sports miscellany#Video games – a list that could probably be tripled. Counting all of this stuff together, it's about 59 or 60, without yet looking for stubs that aren't stub tagged. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 21:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC) Revised 13:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Japan-waterway-stub}} or {{Japan-river-stub}} / Cat:Japan waterway stubs or Cat:Japan river stubs

I'm leaning toward "waterway" as that would include canals and locks as well as rivers. There are currently about 72 river stub articles in Cat:Rivers of Japan and its subcats. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Oppose in proposed form. We deliberately don't have stub types for specific natural landforms - this has been a long-standing rule in stub-sorting. Rivers are simply marked with the relevant geo-stubs, in the same way that mountains, lakes, seas, hills, beaches, and valleys are. Canals, however, are another matter, since they're man-made and therefore technically struct-stubs rather than geo-stubs (the line between the two is a bit blurry, I'll admit). The correct name for that would be {{Japan-canal-stub}} - which, as the name suggests, would deliberately exclude rivers. Grutness...wha? 05:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
    • Um...why? How are landforms any different than any other type of thing that gets a stub? They are physical objects (albeit very large in most cases); they are just as real as a state, country, car, building, person, or anything else that has a stub. Being able to sort them makes it easier to find specific types of stubby articles needing work. Additionally, I don't remember ever reading a rule anywhere that says stub types for natural landforms are verboten. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
You will if you check earlier versions of WP:STUB (e.g., here), which used to list rivers and mountains specifically as types not split out. These examples were removed when the page was streamlined (no-one was proposing those sorts of splits, so it seemed unnecessary to mention them, and removing them shortened the page). As to why, there are several reasons:
  1. splitting by nation then region means that all stubs get covered and split. Splitting out individual features will inevitably leave a small number which can't be split because there aren't enough of a specific type of feature, so it's not as neat from that point of view;
  2. it's more likely that with geography, editors will be more likely to know about their local geography than a specific type of natural feature worldwide, so splitting by region makes sense. This is less likely to be the case with structures, since certain types of construction and factors relating to use are likely to be used worldwide, so knowledge about these will be at least as useful, of not more so, than local knowledge;
  3. with many countries, there is such weighting towards stubs of a specific type of geographic feature that splitting stubs in this way makes no sense - splitting mountain-stubs out of switzerland-geo-stubs, for instance, would be of no use, since so many of the stubs are on mountains (this is also the reason why towns, villages, and cities aren't split out, since so many geo-stubs are related to inhabited places).
  4. it would also suggest that each country should have separate stub types of the same sort (which is what we're trying to achieve with a lot of stub types), so we'd be likely to either need such unlikely, little-used (or unused) stub types as Netherlands-mountain-stub and Mongolia-island-stub - either that or we'd end up with an overall Mountain stubs (or Island stubs) category which could never have everything permanently subdivided by nation. In contrast, all countries, no matter how small, have geography of some sort, so a standard geo-stub split by country again makes sense.
This is one of a number of types of stub-sorting which initially looks sensible, but which isn't as useful as it seems to editors or to stub sorters (e.g., sorting sportspeople by team, people by subnational region). Grutness...wha? 07:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, I disagree with much of the reasoning behind this undocumented decision (especially the part where you indicate that all countries would basically be required to have a standard set of stubs even if they didn't have a particular feature (such as mountains in The Netherlands), but since this project maintains a de facto iron-fist stranglehold over stubs, my opinion on the issue won't really make any difference. I'll just drop it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Japan-protected-area-stub}}

This would upmerge to Cat:Asian protected area stubs until it had enough to have its own category. There are at least two other national-level stubs here as well. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I should note that I counted around 35 articles within just the category above which would use this stub, and I'm sure I can find others not currently in that category, too. Japan has quite a number of national and quasi-national parks which are not in this category, and many of those articles are currently stubs. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Sounds fine to me - probably speediable, in fact. Grutness...wha? 23:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Speedily created. If I find more than 60 articles that apply, is it okay to create a category Cat:Japan protected area stubs to hold them? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Don't see any reason why not. Grutness...wha? 22:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sorting Cat:Anime and manga stubs

This category currently has over 1200 articles in it. I propose the following:

  1. {{Anime-magazine-stub}} and {{Manga-magazine-stub}} (which would redirect to the first one) templates to sort into Cat:Anime and manga magazine stubs. There are about 70 articles I've found which could use this template, and there may be others I've not found yet.
  2. {{Anime-bio-stub}} which would sort into Cat:Anime industry biography stubs. Biography stub articles in Cat:Anime industry would be targeted with this stub. There are about 135 articles which would be affected.

There may be others, too, as I'm trying to find other commonalities between the articles remaining. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Support, but with amended teml;ate names - the standard names for the top two woiuld be {{Anime-mag-stub}} and {{Manga-mag-stub}}. Rhere would have to be careful wording of the bio one, BTW, so that people don't think it's for anime characters! On that subject, would an anime-fict-char-stub be useful? Grutness...wha? 22:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
    • There is already a {{anime-char-stub}} (around since 2005) which covers that. I'm fine with "mag" instead of "magazine" as it's shorter and therefore easier to type. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of {{India-politician-stub}} / Cat:Indian politician stubs

The Indian politician stub cat is too large at present. Even after creating {{DMK-politician-stub}} and {{AIADMK-politician-stub}} to take care of a lot of the Tamil Nadu politicians, another 200 or so remain in this master cat. This split will identify them to the right level. The first division is large enough currently to be a cat, but the other have the potential, so I'm proposing placing the second and third to the first's category and the fourth to the INC cat as that party has been merged. -SpacemanSpiff 02:50, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, this proposal is connected to a recent discovery listed at WP:WSS/D. Grutness...wha? 03:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I concur with Spaceman and support the creation of PMK and MDMK stubs. I am not sure if TMC stubs are necessary since the party had originally branched off from INC and is defunct now and merged largely with INC again. --CarTick 15:10, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Which is why I'm suggesting that we keep it in the INC category. Just a different template. -SpacemanSpiff 17:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Basque stub

A generic stub for Basque related stubs. At the moment there is only Basque-geo-stub for geography related articles. The search tool returns 84 stubs for a search on Basque though I suspect there are more than that and more are of course being created.

It's needed because the territory is split between France and Spain but constitutes a cultural sphere distinct from the French/Spanish cultural sphere. Akerbeltz (talk) 20:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

That (the national split) is exactly the reason why it doesn't exist -stub types for ethnic groups or for cultures are almost always arranged on a purely "internationally-accepted-national-boundary" basis. Groups and cultures that stradddle borders are arranged as part of the nation-specific stubs in which those cultures exist. That is why, for instance, Basque-geo-stub is specifically for the Basque Country of Spain, and is not used for places within the Basque sphere of influence in southwestern France. While I can see the point of having stubs arranged on cultural grounds, it dos lead to inevitable problems of multiple stubbing, and often to case of edit-warring over which stub should be on an article. If there is a Basque-specific WikiProject, I'd suggest that using a talk-page assessment template might be a more useful option than a specific stub type anyway. Grutness...wha? 23:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Although the main political articles touching on the Basque region are subject to edit warring, I've encountered it on few culturally related articles and as far as cross-national stub categories of stateless peoples go, there's Romani-stub for one, which is about as multi-national as you can get.
I did try and read the background docs for stubs but I must confess not seeing anything that says that but I'll assume you have more experience in this. So you're suggesting that for a page like Baserri I use the architecture stub on the front page and use the talk page to link it to toe Basque WikiProject? Akerbeltz (talk) 18:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes - that would make sense - and you'd almost certainly find the banner assessment template far more useful that a stub template anyway, since it can be used for all articles relating to the Basques, not just stubs. Romani-stub is the one exception, since the Roma cover so many different nations. Where a people is split by one boundary, though, we try to avoid it (no Tamil-stub,. Inuit-stub, Sami-stub, Kurd-stub or the like). I agree that it is a bit of a problem, but for the ease of stub-sorting it does make sense. Grutness...wha? 22:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Hm ok... what's the procedure for removing this proposal then? Do I delete it off here or does it get closed routinely at the end of the month? Akerbeltz (talk) 22:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Just leave it - it'll be closed at some point soon. Grutness...wha? 22:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Multiplex Music Electronics stub

Multiplex music was prevalent in the 1970s in the Philippines as a music sold in two formats: (1) music with vocals; and (2) music only without vocals of the same song. The music would be available as a cassette tape recording and normally sold with a hardcopy print of the song lyrics that would be read by the user as he would sing-along while playing the tape with format (2).

The cassette tape could contain a number of music that would come in those pairing formats with an accompanying booklet of hardcopy song lyrics that could be considered the successor of 'song hits' that were popular in the 1960s.

Not quite sure what you're asking for here - you've headed this with a category, but the name looks more like one for a template, and what you've written underneath looks like the start of a stub article (in which case, you don't want this page, you want WP:AFC, as was explained in the section of this page you would have opened to add this here. If you're looking for a template or category, I'd have to oppose it unless it can be shown that there are 60 stubs on this topic (I can't find any at all). Grutness...wha? 23:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Yukon politician stubs

upmerged template {{Yukon-politician-stub}} has 60+ articles, spedy category? Waacstats (talk) 10:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good as usual--TM 22:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Golf stubs

pushing 700 and another one that looks like it will grow yet further. We could go with Cat:Golf tournament stubs \ {{Golf-tournament-stub}} but as most of the remaining articles are tournaments I suggest we also add something along the lines of Cat:Men's major golf championship stubs fed by {{USOpen-golf-stub}}, {{TheOpen-golf-stub}}, {{MastersTournament-golf-stub}} and {{PGAChampionship-golf-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 23:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable - though is there a less potentially ambiguous name than TheOpen-...? Would BritishOpen-... offend golf purists? Also it's probaboly worth noting that most of the world talks of the US Masters rather than the Masters Tournament, so perhaps USMasters-,..., as a redirect at least, would be useful. Grutness...wha? 23:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I just went with the article titles but have no problems with those as redirects or as the main templates with the others as redirects. Waacstats (talk) 08:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:United States track and field biography stubs

This is quite at the moment but will grow again next season, we have already split out the Olympic medalists and are still over 600 articles, propose that we split by event, templates first and categoris only if they reach 60

Waacstats (talk) 23:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Russian boxing biography stubs

upmerged template {{Russia-boxing-bio-stub}} with over 60 articles. speedy? Waacstats (talk) 23:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Romanian football club stubs

upmerged template {{Romania-footyclub-stub}} with over 60 articles. speedy? Waacstats (talk) 23:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:San Francisco Giants season stubs

Category and template {{SanFranciscoGiants-season-stub}} should be over 60 articles. Waacstats (talk) 23:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Chess biography stubs

Starting to grow again up to 650 articles propose we split out the euros by upmerged template creating

and any {{foo-chess bio-stub}} for all European countries that we need to. Waacstats (talk) 23:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Support. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Support as long as you addf the hyphen in the template foo-chess-bio-stub :) Grutness...wha? 05:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] slit of Cat:Soviet Olympic medalist stubs

over 700 articles, propose the following

both should be comfortably over 60 articles. Waacstats (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Tennis competition stubs

Knocking on the door of 800 propose we split by tour unless anyone else has a better idea.

both would be over 60. Waacstats (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Hungarian football biography stubs

As per usual split by position

I would expect all to make it to 60+. Waacstats (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of South Korea/Romania/Norway Football biography stubs

All are over 600 and would suggest splitting by position as with Hungary above, templates first and categories iff they reach 60 (might struggle with the goalkeepers). Waacstats (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:European canoeist stubs

Category oversized (895) currently fed by upmerged templates. The following are all viable based on those existing templates

speedy? Waacstats (talk) 11:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:German tennis biography stubs

Upmerged template {{Germany-tennis-bio-stub}} has 60+ articles. Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 11:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Vermont Registered Historic Place stubs

Upmerged template {{Vermont-NRHP-stub}} has over 100 articles propose category. Waacstats (talk) 11:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Support; this is an easy one. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Stub Type: iTunes Albums

This is a semi-proposal for general discussion - a new stub type might not really be needed. iTunes is releasing special compilations of audio files that could be considered albums, some of which are starting to appear in their own WP articles. Here are some examples:
Bob Dylan: The Collection
The Complete Stevie Wonder

There is no corresponding stub type for this in the Albums section of the stub sorting list. A new stub type might be necessary... IF nobody categorizes a stub article under the appropriate genre or other subcategory. Then a new stub type of this nature wouldn't be necessary. On the other hand, we can probably assume that iTunes will expand this new marketplace, which might give us many new articles requiring accurate stub classification rather than just "Album" which is disdained by Wikipedia: WikiProject Albums. Consider this to be a "what if" proposal for a new stub type that may or may not be necessary depending on how things turn out. Doomsdayer520 (talk) 14:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  • ISTR we do have {{Compilation-album-stub}}, which would probably cover this, at least until such time as there are enough of these to consider something separate, and then it might be better to split the compilations by genre than by means of distribution or medium. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I can agree with that. Separate stubs for compilations by genre would be a good idea, but we can wait until some sort of critical mass is reached at Wikipedia: WikiProject Albums. Thanks for your input. Doomsdayer520 (talk) 09:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Asia basketball team stubs

Category will contain 65 stubs as of a count just now with obvious room for much expansion.--TM 13:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Nods. Is this covered by existing by-nation or by-continent templates? Grutness...wha? 23:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Lebanon, Iran, the Philippines, China and Turkey all have their own templates. Some are still covered by the Asia- stub. We also need to be create a double-upmerged {{Israel-basketball-team-stub}} for the Europe and Asia categories. Turkey would also be double-upmerged.--TM 23:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposals, October 2009

Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.

If (after approval) you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the list of stub types. This page will be archived in its entirety once all discussions have been closed; there is no need to move them to another page.

[edit] Cat:Nigerian sport stubs

Encompassing category which would be home to around 100 stubs and several subcategories. Speediable?--TM 00:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:New Hampshire Registered Historic Place stubs

Seems to be somewhere around 200 articles tagged with {{NewHampshire-NRHP-stub}}, and more are being created; perhaps it's time to break the category out into one of its own. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Support; it's viable. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Nigeria geography stubs

Through some serious recent expansion, this category contains just a hair under 1,000 articles and exactly 0 templates. Propose speedy creation of templates for the 36 States of Nigeria with the expectation that all 36 will soon have enough for categories of their own.--TM 20:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Support, with the caveat that some may need dabbigh (e.g., {{EdoNG-geo-stub}}, since Edo's also the former name of Tokyo) The following would probably be the correct names for templates:
I'd also support categories (in the form Cat:Foo State geography stubs) for any that reach 60. Grutness...wha? 23:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Support plenty of missing LGAs too. Himalayan 13:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Comment The sooner we create the templates and notify the creator of the hundreds of new articles, the easier the sorting job will be.--TM 13:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Support. Meant to earlier, but forgot, sorry. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Austrian painter stubs

A quick scan reveals 70-odd articles tagged with {{Austria-painter-stub}} - time for the cat to be made? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

That is speediable.. Himalayan 22:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Bulgaria-company-stub}} Upmerged

I propose the creation of {{Bulgaria-company-stub}}, upmerged to Cat:European company stubs and Cat:Bulgaria stubs. Likewise {{Albania-company-stub}}, upmerged to Cat:European company stubs and Cat:Albania stubs. -- Eastmain (talk) 00:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC) A while back I proposed to create company templates by country.... I never know what gets done around here anymore.... Himalayan 22:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Observatory stubs (and rename of same)

Not desperately needed yet, with some 460 stubs, but it's probably worth splitting these, either by location or type of telescope (radio/optical). Given that a considerable number of observatories have both radio and optical equipment, it's probably best to split by country. The following is already category-worthy, and would greatly reduce the load in the main category:

No others have more than a dozen or so stubs, so a split by continent (possibly with by-country templates) seems more appropriate elsewhere - although many of these stubs aren't in the appropriate category in the Cat:Astronomical observatories by country tree. Note, BTW, the addition of the word "astronomical" in the category title - this matches the parent permcat, and I've nominated Cat:Observatory stubs for renaming at SFD to match it. Grutness...wha? 00:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{PRC-garden-stub}}

China garden stub. Cat:Asian garden stubs Starzynka (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  • That would be {{PRChina-garden-stub}}, not PRC-. Support as an upmerged type. We may haqve problems at some point with a category name given that "Chinese garden" is a specific type of garden. As such, it would probably be better to use "Foo garden stubs" rather than "Fooian garden stubs" for individual country category names, but that's definitely open to debate. Grutness...wha? 00:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Asian film stubs

...is currently empty. However, I've noticed a number of new articles on Cambodan films coming down the pike. CatScan reveals 32 articles of 2000 bytes or less in Category:Cambodian films. Furthermore, there are 26 in Category:Thai films, 37 in Category:Indonesian films, and 16 in Category:Malaysian films. Might I suggest the following?

All uploading into Cat:Asian film stubs for the moment. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Well spotted, definate support. Himalayan 13:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Serbia geography stubs

750 stubs, oversized. Create templates by Districts of Serbia?

I'd recommend a category split by statistical region although like Bulgaria and SLovenia I think they are informal historical regions:

Again a little bit of detective work will be needed to organize this way.


Himalayan 13:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Government stubs needed

Category contains just under 800 articles. Suggest creating upmerged stubs which feed into continental categories, e.g. Cat:African government stubs etc. Thoughts?--TM 16:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

In fact I would go as far to make a bold proposal of creating templates by every country and upmerging regionally, beginning with Cat:African government stubs etc. I'd support say a {{Nigeria-government-stub}} etc and upmerge. Himalayan 13:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea, that is what I meant. Seeing no objections, I'll begin this large project.--TM 17:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:United Kingdom writer stubs

Support, you don't know this Rosie but one of those articles is about my aunt.. Himalayan 13:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Very cool :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Template:China-rail-stub

No Chinese railway tag?Starzynka (talk) 20:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

  • {{PRChina-rail-stub}} and {{Taiwan-rail-stub}} would be the names for two potential stubs ("China" on its own is only used for history-related stub types with lots of pre-1949 articles). The Taiwan one exists, but one for the mainland would be useful, IMO, even if only as an upmerged type. Grutness...wha? 22:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Palaeogeography-stub}}/Cat:Palaeogeography stubs

There seem to be plenty of these dotted around the various geology, regional geology, and geography categories. Certainly enough for a template, and probably enough for a category. Note the naming is a little diffuicul;t - the article is at Palaeogeography, but the permcat is at Cat:Paleogeography. A redirectto the template seems useful, but if a category is needed its name may pose a problem (I personally support following the article name, but that's probably largely my Commonwealth English bias). Grutness...wha? 22:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

  • this suggests that there are plenty for a category. Grutness...wha? 23:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Based on the CatScan link, support the template. Looks like there's enough for a cat so if >60 pgs, then support the cat, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks viable Himalayan 21:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. I've also created a further redirect from palaeo-geo-stub, which I suspect will be useful. Grutness...wha? 00:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Splits of Cat:Church stubs

Support the Canada one; support the US one iff we are splitting by faith, which IIRC we are. Grutness...wha? 22:27, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes support both templates. Checking over at CatScan, the US one will be around 99, so support a cat if it does exceed 60. Not sure that the UK one will exceed 60 yet. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC) I'm confused... what articles would fall under {{US-RC-church-stub}}? vs. the newly created (see below) {{US-RC-parish-stub}} as its template states it is about "Roman Catholicism in the United States" so even cathedrals/chapels/monasteries, which aren't typically parish churches, fall within the latter's scope. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Possibly silly question... isn't the Anglican faith called Episcopalian in the US? Or are they slightly different? Grutness...wha? 00:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Not a silly question. The Episcopal Church (United States) is part of the Anglican Communion. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Regarding {{US-anglican-church-stub}}, currently an upmerge, was there ever a consideration for naming it {{US-episcopal-church-stub}}? Seems to me that the stub template needs renaming before a stub cat is created so I've redacted the proposed United States Anglican church stubs cat... though a cat is viable, in my mind, this needs more discussion. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Ladakh-stub}}

For general articles related to Ladakh. Might be viable for Cat:Ladakh stubs we'll see.. Himalayan 11:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Would a {{Ladakh-geo-stub}} also be useful? Grutness...wha? 22:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there can be merged into the parent cat until viable. Himalayan 10:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Nepal-royal-stub}}

I've started working on Template:Malla rulers and is needed for this and other Nepalese royalty stubs. Need a template like {{India-royal-stub}}.

An upmerged template would certainly make some sense -we have about a dozen royals marked with {{Nepal-bio-stub}}, if CatScan is any judge. I doubt there'd be near enough for a separate category yet, though. Grutness...wha? 04:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Kenya-school-stub}} Category:Kenya school stubs

Support upmerged template, category only if 60 are stubs. Waacstats (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Ditto. Support upmerge template; and cat when there are 60. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Same here. Eastmain, please be aware that stub categories are normally only split when they reach around 800 stubs - 210 is almost the perfect number of articles for a stub category, and categories shouldn't exist if there are fewer than 60 stubs except in rare circumstances. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I proposed Africa school templates a while back. Support all school templates, split by region eventually when viable... Himalayan 11:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Tanzania-school-stub}} Upmerged stub?

Support upmerged template Waacstats (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Ditto support. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Ditto, template only. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Uganda-school-stub}} Upmerged stub? ]

Support upmerged template Waacstats (talk) 17:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Ditto support. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
As above. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I proposed Uganda-school-stub last month. Didn't anybody here remember? Himalayan 11:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Nah - no-one listens to anything you say ;) Seriously, there are so many proposals here it's very difficult to keep track of them all, so the occasional double-proposal is inevitable. Grutness...wha? 23:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Create provincial templates for Bulgaria

Cat:Bulgaria geography stubs 655 articles but many missing villages red linked ready for starting by province. I'd recommend creating templates by province and then upmerging into regional categories.

Templates for:

Blagoevgrad · Burgas · Dobrich · Gabrovo · Haskovo · Kardzhali · Kyustendil · Lovech · Montana · Pazardzhik · Pernik · Pleven · Plovdiv · Razgrad · Rousse · Shumen · Silistra · Sliven · Smolyan · Sofia City · Sofia Province · Stara Zagora · Targovishte · Varna · Veliko Tarnovo · Vidin · Vratsa · Yambol

Regional categories based on ordering on the guide bulgaria site:

Himalayan 21:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a good idea, do any of the provinces need disambiguating and which ones go where. Waacstats (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
ISTR there's somewhere else called Montana somewhere :) Of the others, I think Varna may need dabbing... not sure about the others, but a search using Special:PrefixIndex should find any. BG is the dabbing code, BTW, so we'd be looking at {{MontanaBG-geo-stub}} and similar. Grutness...wha? 00:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RC-US-parish-stub

This is my proposal for Roman Catholic parish stub.

{{asbox
|image     = BasilicaExterior.jpg
|pix       = 40x25
|subject   = 
|qualifier = on a [[:Category:Roman Catholic parishes in the United States]]
|category  = Roman Catholic Church stubs
|tempsort  =  
|name      = Template:RC-US-parish-stub
}}

--WlaKom (talk) 16:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Swap to {{US-RC-parish-stub}} and change the qualifier to something like Roman Catholic parish in the United States and i think we are there. Waacstats (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Do you mean like this?
{{asbox
|image     = BasilicaExterior.jpg
|pix       = 40x25
|subject   =
|qualifier = on a [[Roman Catholicism in the United States|Roman Catholic parish in the United States]]
|category  = Roman Catholic parishes in the United States
|tempsort  = 
|name      = Template:US-RC-parish-stub
}}

But I don't know how to do it. Every time I try, I make article:-((

On the other hand, all parishes will be in one category, and I would like to be separated by state. --WlaKom (talk) 19:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Normally we wait 5 days before creating, if you need halp creating after that then let me know on my talk page and I'll see what I can do (I am on holiday so may not have connection but will get round to it sometime soon. Waacstats (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I've tweaked the qualifier above. I support this basic template, but NOT a by-state split. At the moment there are fewer than 200 articles in total in Cat:Roman Catholic parishes in the United States and its subcats - a separate cstub ategory for US RC parishes is probably viable, but we're nowhere near close to a by-state split. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree with User:Grutness to make stub with suggested changes only.--WlaKom (talk) 09:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Done --WlaKom (talk) 06:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Create Bolivian department templates and possible split

Judging by how many articles we have currently and those articles being created this is best done now.. We have 500 and something Bolivian geogrpahy stubs at present so category split is not desperate yet, but pre ordering by department and region maybe would seem sensible. Himalayan 21:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Support templates, assuming no mistakes besides the two spaces I deleted before -geo-stub, categories if they go over 60 and given there are only 9 so some of these will, categories of the form Cat:Beni Department geography stubs to follow article and category. Waacstats (talk) 21:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking... Himalayan 21:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks forcorrecting my mistake Waacstats (talk) 21:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I suggest a few more (Beni, Potosi, etc.), perhaps all of them, should also include the country (BL) identifier such as SantaCruzBL-geo-stub does. Doublechecking for "Beni", "Potosi", etc. I find that multiple other countries have localities with the same name. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Unless these are all in Saint-Barthélemy, I'd suggest changing those codings from BL to BO, which is the ISO code for Bolivia! We've already got a load of Virginia stubs listed as being in the Virgin islands, let's not confuse things further with these :) Grutness...wha? 23:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{RC-Pol-parish-stub}}

I would like to create a new "stub" for the Roman Catholic parishes founded by Polish immigrants in the U.S. since 1880. Something like this:

{{asbox
|image     = Moczygemba.jpg
|pix       = 40x25
|subject   = 
|qualifier = on a [[:Category:Polish-American Roman Catholic parishes in the United States|Roman Catholic parishes]] founded by Polish immigrants 
|category  = Roman Catholic Church stubs
|tempsort  =  
|name      = Template:RC-Pol-parish-stub
}}

I started from the parishes included in the table Polish-American Roman Catholic parishes in New England Could you help me?--WlaKom (talk) 13:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Seems like a very odd way to split stubs, to be honest (and certainly the proposed name looks very non-standard). Not quite sure how we'd proceed with this one, since parishes are split primarily by country. Considering the number of stubs there are for US RC parishes in general, perhaps a US-RC-parish-stub would suffice? Grutness...wha? 00:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Of course, the "US RC parishes" stub is also needed, but I am thinking about, very specific, base on ethnicity stub. There are about 500 parishes in US founded by Polish immigrants and I would like to invite people who have knowledge about Polish immigrants to help expend articles. The name could be change, it is just proposal. I don't have any experience to create stub.--WlaKom (talk) 07:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Not sure this is the right way to go, I agree with grutness that the normal split would be by country and then in terms of the US by state, we don't even have a {{RC-parish-stub}}. Also a question is someone with an interest in a polish immigrant church in NY more likely to know about other polish immigrant churches across the US or other RC churches in NY? Waacstats (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Agree to make also {{RC-parish-stub}} for all parishes in US.--WlaKom (talk) 07:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree a {{RC-parish-stub}} would be a good idea for all RC parishes and probably a {{US-RC-parish-stub}} for all parishes in the US. Waacstats (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Close I would like to close this project about separate stub for Polish parishes is USA, because it doesn't make sense to create extra stub. It is much easier to categorize manually.--WlaKom (talk) 19:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Creation of Cat:Palestinian organization stubs Palestine-org-stub

Parent category would be Category:Palestinian organizations. See Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs, Palestinian Hydrology Group as typical stubs that would fit. Many other countries have -org-stub categories. -- Eastmain (talk) 07:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Support template {{Palestine-org-stub}}, category if we have 60 articles relating to organizations in Palestine as opposed to orgs in foreign countries supporting Palestine and some how make clear in the template that this is the case. Waacstats (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Colombia geography stubs

Becoming oversized nearing 800. Split by department? Himalayan 15:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

A start seems to have already been made on this one with templates by department and categories by region - there are six regions). I'd support continuing with that scheme (assuming the regions are official, which they seem to be), with subcats for any department with over 60 stubs. Grutness...wha? 22:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought this was already in the pipeline so speedy support. Waacstats (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Garden stubs

This new category is currently at 858 articles and growing as I'm only midway through stub tagging US garden articles.

Support. Anything we missed Grutness? Himalayan 15:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Support converting (moving?) Australia-botanical-garden-stub to Australia-garden-stub, and the creation of UK-garden-stub. Both upmerges 'til they're >60. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Support all above proposals. Waacstats (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Note change in category name from Japanese-garden-stub to Japan-garden-stub to clarify the country and avoid ambiguity with the garden style known as the Japanese garden which has category Cat:Japanese gardens. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Batna Province geography stubs

63 stubs. Batna geography stubs or Batna Province geography stubs? Himalayan 15:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Article and Category are at Batna Province and Cat:Batna Province so go with Cat:Batna Province geography stubs. Waacstats (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hamburg stub sorting

Sorting Germany by state, here especially Hamburg and trying to improve the coverage of Hamburg (although I'm trying to bring articles at least to start class—maybe later introducing a Hamburg task force), I propose the creation of a parent stub : {{Hamburg-stub}} (This Hamburg-related article is a stub.) as a parent to {{Hamburg-geo-stub}} {{Hamburg-U-Bahn-stub}}, child to {{Germany-stub}}, sorting into the Category:Hamburg stubs (parent: Category:Germany stubs, Category:Hamburg)

And the creation of

Thanks. Sebastian scha. (talk) 09:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Dam stubs

Strong support. I've created a good number myself.--TM 15:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Changing from Support to Comment/Question at the moment as was wondering if there were enough African geo stub articles to create stub templates by some of the African countries? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Possibly. Dams arre a bit confusing because they can be marked as either struct-stubs or geo-stubs, depending on whether the articles are primarily about the dams or the lakes that are formed by them. It's quite likely there'd be enough for country templates, though I doubt any would have enough for a separate category. Grutness...wha? 00:25, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposals, September 2009

Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.

If (after approval) you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the list of stub types. This page will be archived in its entirety once all discussions have been closed; there is no need to move them to another page.

[edit] Create new stub templates for Greek prefectures

Massive amount of stubs for Greece means that it would be wise to create new templates by Prefectures of Greece. Many are currently viable (not 100% certain) like Category:Cities, towns and villages in the Arcadia Prefecture for {{Arcadia-geo-stub}} and Cat:Arcadia geography stubs. I would strongly recommend creating these templates and resorting them from regional where viable, Greece gets pretty much a headache organizationally. The thing is a lot of them a borderline start class articles so I'm uncertain as to whether or not they should be stub tagged. Either way I still think we should create prefecture templates. Himalayan 22:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Horticulture stubs

Viable per Catscan. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

  • I misread the proposal. I support the templates although garden-stub would be simpler but I don't think there is a need to split a stub category which only as 275 stubs. We normally consider around 800-850 + to be oversized. 275 stubs in one category is perfectly manageable... Himalayan 10:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There are better ways these could be split, and in any case, with only 200 stubs Cat:Horticulture stubs is probably better not split. If it was to be split, a plain {{garden-stub}} covering both would make more sense. Rosiestep, these weren't speediable and there's a delay period before creating these things for a reason. Please don't make more work for everyone by ignoring it! Grutness...wha? 23:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  • By explanation, very few stub class botanical gardens and arboretum articles are tagged with a stub template of any sort. A few had the horticulture-stub template on them which is why I proposed Split of Cat:Horticulture stubs, though I could just as well have proposed Split of Cat:Botany stubs as a few (much fewer, actually) of these articles had the Botany-stub template. A few only had a geo-stub template. However, most of the stubs didn't have any stub template at all. I did viability research by running Catscan on Cat:Botanical gardens and Cat:Arboreta. The reasons I created the Australia-botanical-garden-stub template is that there are were several stub articles already created, and about 60 redlinks for additional articles; it had been my intention to create those redlinked articles this week. I thought that US-botanical-garden-stub would be appropriate, too So having explained the reasons for my actions, let's move on to your suggestion: {{garden-stub}}; I'm fine with that. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:54, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. Sorry to have seemed hasty with this and the SFD for the Aussie one - but it did seem pretty premature based on current numbrs (which is what we always go by here - not future numbers), especially since the Aussie one hadn't been proposed. Grutness...wha? 23:42, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
It seemed like double-work to go through all the Cat:Botanical gardens and Cat:Arboreta articles, tag the stub-class ones with {{horticulture-stub}} and then propose the split. But if I had done this to begin with, I could have given an accurate count, so maybe the double-work would have been worth it. I just went through Cat:Arboreta and added {{horticulture-stub}} to the stub class ones. I did not count how many already had {{horticulture-stub}} but it was easy to account for the ones that I added the template to: 247. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
You wouldn't have needed to do that - all you needed to do to get a rough idea of numbers was run one of the tools that shows you how many articles in Cat:Arboreta were short. It wouldn't have given you an exact number of stubs, but it would have given a very clear indication of approximate numbers. Grutness...wha? 22:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Uganda-school-stub}}

A recent list List of schools in Uganda has brought to my attention a good number of articles not tagged as Uganda-school-stub and the high likelihood these articles will be created shortly in the future. I'd say this template would be appropriate... Himalayan 21:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Support; it's appropriate. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:31, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Ontario MP stubs

Oversized, we can either split by decade of birth or by party. If we split by party the following are all vaible (happy to change names if anyone can think of something better)

If done by decade of birth I propose templates for each decade needed and the following categories would be viable

Anyone any prefernces? Waacstats (talk) 10:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC) That many Ontarian politicians? Support by party, looks fine. Himalayan 21:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Himalayan which split do you support? Waacstats (talk) 22:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Support by party'. Himalayan 21:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Japanese railway station stubs

slightly oversized (1029) currently have by prefecture split and upmerged templates, the following are now viable from these upmerged templates

Waacstats (talk) 12:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC) Support, these have been steadily creeping up.. Himalayan 21:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:German Christian Democratic Union politician stubs

propose splitting ths by dob with templates at {{Germany-CDU-politician-1960s-stub}} and categories for those that reach 60 at Cat:German Christian Democratic Union politician, 1960s birth stubs should cut down this 2000+ behemoth. Waacstats (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Mmm, cat is definately oversized. I'm not sure though that will prompt more editors to fill them out. Note also a lot of them as yet don't have birthdates inserted in the articles so stub sorting will be difficult in this way. I may actually request that we delete some of them because it is too much work to fill them all out. I've actually requested to delete the "sub stubs" see User talk:Xeno. The task needed to fill them all with birth dates and some basic info out is too huge. When they have been deleted the cat will be manageable. . Himalayan 10:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Good point about the DoB, I checkef the first 15 articles and only 1 didn't have the DoB in the article but catscan shows less than 400 have a dob category so maybe we need to look at something else if this category remains at this size and I would expect politicians to be notable so they may not be deleted. Waacstats (talk) 13:53, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh they are all notable, undoubtedly, just lack even the basics that would make them valid. I think the best thing would be to delete them and start them a bit more adequately at a later date. I ca't see too many people willing to go through 2100 articles adding birth dates and some eferenced info. Actually I got as far as B adding birth dates. If you actually check any from C -Z at random you'll see what I mean. Try selecting 15 articles at ramdon from C-Z. It is likely to be only 1 in 10 actually has birth dates, not vice versa....Random article Wolfgang Dehnel. Himalayan 14:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

As this is down to 33 articles (I assume through deletions) we can scrap this suggestion. Waacstats (talk) 10:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Quite a drastic reduction eh? Himalayan 21:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Conservative MP (UK) stubs

As with the German CDU so with the UK Conservatives propose splitting ths by dob with templates at {{Conservative-UK-MP-1960s-stub}} and categories for those that reach 60 at Cat:Conservative MP (UK), 1960s birth stubs should cut down this 1000+ behemoth. Waacstats (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Support here, as we actually have the birth dates! Himalayan 10:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Psychology stubs

I propose creating {{psych-test-stub}}, categorised under Cat:Psychological testing stubs or something similar. According to CatScan, there are 55 articles tagged as psych stubs and under Cat:Psychological testing. However, there's a LOT that are improperly categorised, like Abbreviated mental test score, Chitling Intelligence Test, Addiction Research Center Inventory, Eating Attitudes Test, Multnomah Community Ability Scale, reading span task and Rosenberg self esteem scale. That gets us up to over 60. — Skittleys (talk) 16:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Looks sensible - though someone else can sort it (I've conducted a few too many mental rotation and stroop tests in my time - aversion to the subject has set in :) Grutness...wha? 21:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Pharmacology stubs

I propose {{antineoplastic-stub}} and Cat:Antineoplastic drugs. According to CatScan, of the articles tagged with (the overpopulated) {{pharm-stub}}, 61 are in Cat:Antineoplastic drugs, and 70 are in Cat:Chemotherapeutic agents (which is SUPPOSED to be obsolete and replaced with the former category...). — Skittleys (talk) 14:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Canadian military stubs

I have nothing against this but I only count 52 articles. Waacstats (talk) 20:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry; plus these: {{CEF-stub}} (>40 entries; none doublestubbed with {{Canada-mil-hist-stub}}). --Rosiestep (talk) 01:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
CEF-stub needs to be either deleted (and combined with the Canada-mil-hist-stub) or renamed. CEF is, among other things, a major Brazilian bank, an Indian military unit from the 19th century, and the air force of the Czech Republic (see CEF). I don't recall it ever having been proposed - if it had been it would surely have been pointed out at the time that its name went against stub naming conventions due to its ambiguity. Grutness...wha? 02:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I combined the CEF-stub articles into Canada-mil-hist-stub and then deleted CEF-stub. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Looks good support category. Waacstats (talk) 10:30, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Algeria geography stubs

750 stubs, if you take into account the remaining communes should be well over 1500 soon enough. Propose to create templates by province and upmerge those which ar enot viable yet and split the others Himalayan 14:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


1 {{AdrarDZ-geo-stub}}
2 {{Chlef-geo-stub}}
3 {{Laghouat-geo-stub}}
4 {{OumelBouaghi-geo-stub}}
5 {{Batna-geo-stub}}
6 {{Béjaïa-geo-stub}}
7 {{Biskra-geo-stub}}
8 {{Béchar-geo-stub}}
9 {{Blida-geo-stub}}
10{{Bouira-geo-stub}}
11 {{Tamanghasset-geo-stub}}
12 {{Tébessa-geo-stub}}


13{{Tlemcen-geo-stub}}
14{{Tiaret-geo-stub}}
15 {{TiziOuzou-geo-stub}}
16 {{Algiers-geo-stub}}
17{{Djelfa-geo-stub}}
18 {{Jijel-geo-stub}}
19{{Sétif-geo-stub}}
20 {{SaïdaDZ-geo-stub}}
21{{Skikda-geo-stub}}
22{{SidiBelAbbes-geo-stub}}
23 {{Annaba-geo-stub}}
24{{Guelma-geo-stub}}


25{{ConstantineDZ-geo-stub}}
26{{MédéaDZ-geo-stub}}
27{{Mostaganem-geo-stub}}
28{{M'Sila -geo-stub}}
29{{MascaraDZ-geo-stub}}
30{{Ouargla-geo-stub}}
31{{Oran-geo-stub}}
32{{ElBayadh-geo-stub}}
33{{Illizi-geo-stub}}
34{{BordjBouArréridj-geo-stub}}
35{{Boumerdès-geo-stub}}
36{{ElTarf-geo-stub}}


37{{Tindouf-geo-stub}}
38{{Tissemsilt-geo-stub}}
39{{ElOued-geo-stub}}
40{{Khenchela-geo-stub}}
41{{SoukAhras-geo-stub}}
42{{Tipasa-geo-stub}}
43{{MilaDZ-geo-stub}}
44{{AïnDefla-geo-stub}}
45{{NaamaDZ-geo-stub}}
46{{AïnTémouchent-geo-stub}}
47{{Ghardaïa-geo-stub}}
48{{Relizane-geo-stub}}
Support in principle with names of templates as above but with spaces removed, just a question do any of these need Province in the title or need disambiguating from regions of other countries. Waacstats (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Spaces and hyphens removed (e.g., OumelBouaghi-geo-stub). Redirects from the same without diacriticals would also be useful (e.g., AinTemouchent-geo-stub). Grutness...wha? 23:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Mmm I'd keep it e.g {{Ghardaïa-geo-stub}} and if that became viable make it Cat:Ghardaïa Province geography stubs. I'd say looking at the names we could probably get away with leaving province out of the naming here...Cat:Ghardaïa geography stubs would be OK too. Himalayan 21:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree as far as the categories are concerned. Also, all the equivalent permcats use "Province" (see Cat:Category:Provinces of Algeria). As to whether the templates need disambiguating, if they do we'd normally use the ISO two-character code as a dab (unless there's problems with both a province and city in the same country, say). The following might cause problems and may need dabbing:
It might be better to spell them out with "Province" though, given that almost all have capitals with the same name and some also have districts with the same name. Some of the listed names seem not quite right, though (Oum El Bouaghi and Tipaza for instance). Checking Cat:Provinces of Algeria will be useful to get the exact names. Grutness...wha? 23:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes that would be fine. The DZ though is not instantly recognisable though! Himalayan 10:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree - unfortunately that's the code, though. I suppose it comes from the local version of the country's name. Grutness...wha? 21:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Protected area stubs

Currently 435 573 pages. Upmerges ready to split out.

Support, I wonder if Brazil is viable for its own... Himalayan 09:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
If not, it's really close... I'll get it sorted out today. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Support all categories, with the usual caveats that stubs should be double-stubbed with appropriate geo-stubs. Not so sure on the templates, tyhough. Firstly,, we\'ve been suing "Europe-", not "Euro-" in recent times, and secondly we tend to prefer by-county upmerged templates rather than continent-wide ones where possible. BTW, the europe category would also have Cat:United Kingdom Site of Special Scientific Interest stubs as a subtype. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Support all, the Bald One is guilty for a lot of these... Himalayan 21:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:United Kingdom academic biography stubs

Split out Cat:United Kingdom theologian stubs. Cat:United Kingdom academic biography stubs is oversized, this is the closest I can get to 60 using catscan (57 double stubbed), sure there must be 1 or 2 hiding in just one. Waacstats (talk) 19:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree it makes sense to create {{UK-theologian-stub}} if you think there's ~60. Also, I'm going to be bold and change the header from "Split out Cat:United Kingdom theologian stubs" to "Split of Cat:United Kingdom academic biography stubs" as there are now 3 split suggestions from the main cat. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
nb I have just found out that the newly created (off the to do list) {{UK-economist-stub}} has gone over 60 so porpose Cat:United Kingdom economist stubs while I am at it. No rush for the UK theologian cat but might as well create the template and if it goes pass 60 may as well have the category, should keep the UK academics off the oversized list for a bit longer. Waacstats (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Support the UK economist stubs cat. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Canadian school stubs

Currently at 424 entries being fed by 11 province and territory upmerges. These 4 are ready to split off.

Note, that these 2 split off previously: Cat:British Columbia school stubs and Cat:Ontario school stubs. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

  • I would support in light of the fact that education falls under provincial jurisdiction. However, why is "British Columbia" correctly spaced in its stub while the space is missing in "NovaScotia"? Also, the two existing provincial stubs are not hyphenated while your four are. These things all need to be standardized, I should think. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
    • Oh wait, I see. The category names don't match the appearance in the bracketed stubs, which use a different spacing. Anyway, support. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
      • Yup, the difference is in stub category naming convention vs. stub template naming convention. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support, speedily. Waacstats (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Commerce-stub}}, {{Market-stub}}, {{Retailing-stub}}

I have not correctly measured how many stub articles are on Wiki, but when I created Seongdong Market, it was a bit surprising to know that there has no such stub, so I inserted {{trade-stub}} instead. Here are rough research.

--Caspian blue 15:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe there is a {{Retail-stub}} which vcovers this at the moment. I'd support the templates util it is clear there become viable, dunno about the categories yet... Himalayan 16:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. However, the stubs are under Cat:Retail company stubs which does not look consistent with the template name...--Caspian blue 17:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

So it is. Support seperate cats too then if viable. Himalayan 17:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


We have some confusion here, since market-stub is currently used with Cat:Commerce stubs. I can see problems with Cat:Market stubs - in fact, I'm amazed that Cat:Markets exists because of it - it's a very ambiguous term. Does it refer to bazaars and street markets, stock markets, or international trade markets? Whichever it - and the permcat - should probably say. The permcat actually seems to be a mix-up of all three... But if this can be resolved, then certainly splitting things the way you suggest makes sense. As to retail-stub, I'd suggest renaming the stub type for retail companies to retail-company-stub (via SFD) and using the current name (and Cat:Retailing stubs) as a parent type for retailing in general. Grutness...wha? 01:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Well the article we have on market is about retail markets. The template says about a market or bazaar to avoid that confusion. Besides which stubs about stock markets would be best marked as stockmarket-stub. Himalayan 13:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:African football biography stubs

Damn biology stubs distracting me, 2 upmerged templates have passed 60 so propose

Waacstats (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Unusual, these countries are usually neglected on here.... Support.. Himalayan 20:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't see any article in the stub category of African football biography stubs. Isn't {{Togo-footy-bio-stub}} pertinent to the first one? --Caspian blue 18:27, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
    • My apologies they are both in subcats of African football bios and we already have the templates. Waacstats (talk) 18:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Russian football biography stubs

Even worse than not noticing upmerged template passing 60, 2 of the subcats (Defender and Midfielder) have passed 800 and 1000 articles respectivley, I propose splitting these two and the striker category by date of birth with upmerged by decade templates as has been done in England and Brazil. (I really thought Germany or Spain would have beaten Russia to being the third country to do this). Waacstats (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope I have noticed stubs on young Russian footballers slowly clogging up.... Support. Himalayan 20:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I meant me missing them as I usually spend most of my time in the sports stubs. Waacstats (talk) 12:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Quebec-film-stub}} and Cat:Quebec film stubs

All viable. Note that it seems a high number of Quebec films are not stub categorised at all. The Quebecois film industry is notable in its own right so stub template and category is necessary. Himalayan 17:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I've got to say I'm not 100% happy about this one could set a nasty precedant, If nation film stubs gets large we should look at splitting by genre or date. Also how easy is it to tell a french language film made in say Nova Scotia from a film made in Quebec. (nb I'm not against this just not happy with it at the moment) Waacstats (talk) 18:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

No, see Cinema of Quebec. It is very much one of the main Canadian film industries, as far as I'm aware the other regions don't have them, unless by location. Quebecois cinema is an industry in its own right in the French language and easily identifiable kind of in the way the Bollywood Hindi industry is in India based in Mumbai etc. Quebecois is normally produced in Montreal I think... I'll ask User:Bearcat. Himalayan 18:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Himalayan is correct about this. Canada essentially has two parallel film industries — Quebec film is a distinct film industry operating separately from the "main" film industry of The Rest of Canada. I don't think there's a single other province or state in all of North America that can genuinely claim to have such a thing — the only parallel situation I can think of is the distinct regional film industries of India.
This doesn't correspond strictly to shooting location; it's possible for an ROC film to be made in Quebec, and it's possible for a Quebec film to be made in Nova Scotia. What it does correspond to, by and large, is language: the Quebec industry is primarily French (although there have been a few English films as well), while as far as I know the ROC's film industry has never made a single French language film — unless you count Bon Cop, Bad Cop, and even that was a Quebec-ROC collab.
If a film production company from Quebec is making the film, it's a Quebec film even if it's shot in Mongolia, and if a production company from Toronto is making the film, it's a Rest of Canada film even if it's shot in the Citadelle of Quebec City — because it's not a question of shooting location, it's a question of which one of two parallel industries the film is being made by. Bearcat (talk) 19:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm still not 100% happy but I will not oppose it. Waacstats (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I can see why Waacs, but really the Quebec film industry is quite distinct, it would seem more feasible to link the Montreal based French language films into a stub category than mixing Quebecois French films in with general Canadian films in say a 1970s-Canada film stub for instance. If you really feel that strongly against it I have no qualms, just a suggestion given that Quebec films seems to be clearly distinct from general english Canadian films. After all, we have Hindi-film-stub, Malayalam-film stub etc rather than 1970s-India-film-stub etc.. Himalayan 20:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

  • I work in the English-Quebec (aka English Montreal) film industry and while I think Bearcat is understating the number of English Quebec films when he terms them a "few," I support the creation of these stubs in principle. But I do wonder -- and have for some time -- where the Montreal-produced English-language films of the NFB would fit in all this. The NFB is an agency of the Canadian government -- but until its development of regional production centres in the late 70s, scores of English NFB films were produced out of Quebec. Not because they were in any way intrinsically Quebecois, but because this was where the NFB was based. The NFB retains two English studios in Quebec: Quebec Centre (for docs) and the Oscar-winning Animation Studio (which is unarguably the best known of all NFB studios in Canada). Are these Quebec films? They're made in Quebec, in many but not all cases by Quebec directors, and always by Quebec-based producers. NFB aside, Montreal boasts such indie doc production houses as Eyesteel film, Rezolution, Cineflix, that do work almost exclusively in English; not to mention mini-majors like Astral that remain based in Montreal, thanks to Harold Greenberg. Porky's was made thanks to Greenberg: would we be stubbing Porky's as a Quebec film, if it was a stub class article? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it matters if there are many english films as well, as long as they ar eproduced by the Quebec film industry. If is was say FrenchCanaddian-film-stub then it might be an issue but as it is I think its OK... Himalayan 16:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Faboideae stubs

Oversized, the following are viable

Waacstats (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Poales stubs

Oversized, the following are viable

Waacstats (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Passeri stubs

Oversized, the following are viable

Waacstats (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Orchid stubs

Oversized, the following are viable

Waacstats (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Further split of Cat:Moth stubs

Another moth family has mor e than 60 articles, will bring the category down closer to 800. I propose

Waacstats (talk) 17:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC) Why or why o WHYYYYY didn't the creator think about this first.... The worrying thing is that some of the stubs like Gazoryctra have not been touched in 4 years.. Himalayan 18:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Support But could you more specifically present {{what-stub}} are needed for the splitting? --Caspian blue 16:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
    • Not sure what you mean the category that the articles are currently in is in the title Cat:Moth stubs and the category and template I propose to create are listed above as {{Drepanidae-stub}} / Cat:Drepanidae stubs. Waacstats (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
      • Oops, the comment is related to your other nominations below.--Caspian blue
        • Now I understand, my mistake I usually include them, as I have now created them I won't bother but in each case the template is foo-stub for category foo stubs.

[edit] Cat:Kosovar people stubs

Upmerge of approximately 10 templates, which is probably overkill. However, total of stubs adds up to over 60. As for the name, Kosovan seems to be commonly used on Wikipedia in some cases, while Kosovar in others. I much prefer Kosovar and believe it is the correct version. Thoughts?--TM 19:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

If there's 60 stubs in all, then support as Kosovan. "Kosovan" is used on Wikipedia since "Kosovar" is a politically loaded term and is likely to lead to edit-warring problems. Grutness...wha? 23:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Support Cat:Kosovan people stubs per Grutness Himalayan 18:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Mantodea stubs

Another oversized insect category, propose the following

Waacstats (talk) 21:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Surprise surprise. Support.. Himalayan 13:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support. The articles in the category are sorted by "order of Mantodea", so they should be divided by subcategories like "family" or "genius".--Caspian blue 16:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Stylommatophora stubs

Another oversized gastropod category, the only large enough stub cat that I can find is

Waacstats (talk) 21:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Support Too big category. --Caspian blue 16:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposals, August 2009

Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.

If (after approval) you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the list of stub types. This page will be archived in its entirety once all discussions have been closed; there is no need to move them to another page.

[edit] NEW PROPOSALS

[edit] {{cooking-stub}}

Odd that there isn't one of these for preparation methods when we've got a {{cooking-tool-stub}}. I've tagged a few articles with {{food-stub}} instead but that's obviously not optimal. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Support -Seems reasonable. Himalayan 11:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Support per nom and above. Gosox5555 (talk) 21:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Specialty templates for Cat:Tool stubs

To9ol stubs has long been a mix'n'match of articles ranging from dustpan to defibrillator, and it's not an easy one to sort through. It might well be worth adding a few more specialist templates to enable it to be split at a future point when it gets too big and amorphous. I'd like to suggest the following:

These three should between them cover about half of the articles, at a rough guesstimate, and the second and third of them would be in line with the one current subcategory (Cat:Cooking tool stubs). Grutness...wha? 23:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Support, I think the Adhesive is speediable as i think it os on the To Do list. Waacstats (talk) 10:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - main cat too generic anyway.. Himalayan 11:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Support - current ones are far to general.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gosox5555 (talk • contribs)

[edit] {{Pyralidae-stub}}

Deserves its own category becaus it is the second largest moth family [2]. About 160 pages would be moved from {{Moth stubs}} Tim1357 (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Delayed support, had I spotted it I would have added it to the list below. Waacstats (talk) 21:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

That's OK. If you do generate anymore stubs, perhaps you could make a note here that you are creating over 60 new stubs, I'm sure we can work out any new templates/categories in advance as a special case.. Anyway if you could generate like Laysan Hedyleptan Moth using a reliable source not self referencing to a family wiki article I don't have many complaints as, although it will involve a great deal of work to expand the articles, they are definately needed ones. Himalayan 21:55, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

i will be adding a lot of pages to this category. I have found a list of Genus' that i will create articles for. see that list here User:Tim1357/sandbox67.142.130.34 (talk) 23:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Tineidae stubs and {{Tineidae-stub}}

Recent flooding of Cat:Moth stubs means this and probably a few others are viable... As it stands we now have 5000 stubs in the main category.... Himalayan 16:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Well it seems the creator is taking the iniative to stub sort without proposing here see this. Perhaps somebody could notify him and direct him here.... Himalayan 21:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, im sorry to have filled the stub category. I am more then happy to help sort them, I did not see the box on moth stubs about proposing new ones here. Tim1357 (talk) 21:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I believe that this stub would be over 60 based on the article but are we missing a permanent category for this family. Waacstats (talk) 21:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I had to go back and fix quite a bit of the refrences so I was bold and just changed the stubs when i was there, instead of having to go back and change them later. Ill undo it if asked. Tim1357 (talk) 02:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:New York Registered Historic Place stubs

Oversized cat propose a Cat:New York City Registered Historic Place stubs fed by upmerged by borough templates. Waacstats (talk) 22:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Slovenia geography stubs

My proposal would be to replace the current municipality geography stubs for Slovenia (only a few have been created, they're of limited use and they mostly don't have a lot of members) with the stubs for traditional regions of Slovenia. Currently, I think this would suffice and would simplify things by bringing templates in the line with categories.

Support Actually a while back we discussed creating a full set of municipal templates and upmerging by region. Might I suggest we also split Category:Cities, towns and villages in Slovenia by subdivision too? Himalayan 16:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Oppose replacement, though suggest adding region-specific templates. While it looks like the current templates aren't much use, given the upmerging, there are still close to 1700 unsorted Slovenian geography stubs. Which means that there's a very good chance we'll be splitting the regions up into subregions sooner rather than later. If that's the case, then we'd need to start splitting out the larger municipalities (since that's the second tier of Slovenian region split). Having the urban ones at least with templates ready for that eventuality makes sense. As for "bringing templates in line with categories", upmerging is fairly standard practice at WP:WSS, so there's no real necessity for that. Grutness...wha? 00:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Oh sorry I didn't read the proposal properly. Oppose replacement. We should create templates for each Slovenian municipality and upmerge into the regional cats definately NOT replace existing municipal stub templates. That would be best. As far as I am aware those are only loose historical names for the regions anyway and officially the government goes by munipalities. Duh Himalayan. Must be altitude sickness... Himalayan 16:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Europe-videogame-company-stub}}

Actually, I wasn't aware I was supposed to go through here for new stub-types, and I boldly created this one as well as the accompanying category. It is consistent with the related stubs based on video game companies by region. I've already filled the category up and have 124 articles that fit under this stub-type. This is the stub-types that are out there, so far (the one I just created in bold):

I don't know what else needs to be done, here, but I apologize for not coming here first as I didn't know I had to do that. Regards, MuZemikeUse my VG templates! 16:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Unfortunately it'll lead to a fair bit of work. Renaming it needs to be done, to start with - if the decision is to keep it. It should be at {{Europe-videogame-company-stub}} - the same as all other Europe-specific stub types, and also in line with the Japan- type (not, note, Japanese- ), and the current name need to be deleted. However, in recent years we've gone away from having continent-wide stub types and now usually only make country-specific ones, upmerged into continent-wide categories (it makes for easier later splitting and also allows stubsd to be upmerged to two separate useful categories) -so this particular stub template may not be appropriate anyway. Either way there'll be a fair bit of restubbing work to do. Perhaps you should have read the part of WP:BOLD which says that it applies to articles, but not to templates... Grutness...wha? 01:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
    My bot can update the usages for the proper naming, it won't be painful at all (I see borgarde already moved it in line with proper naming, so I updated the heading). As for the individual countries... some countries have only a single VG company - at all - let alone multiple stubs (eg. Bulgarian video game companies, Norwegian video game companies, or Danish video game companies). Just to use in your thinking on this. –xenotalk 19:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Prison stubs

This is currently large with 371 articles and with only Australian prison stubs as an empty subcat. This is mainly a list of present, historical or fictional prisons, jails and detention facilities with far too few entries on prison or jail legality, practices, conditions and history. To encourage development of entries on prison and jail topics and to distinguish between the fundamentally different categories of individual facilities and topics about corrections facilities, I propose two subcats:

Other names welcome. Jessamyncp (talk) 22:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC) (Moved from bottom of page)Waacstats (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

firstly there are 106 articles in the Australian subcat, you had me worried saying it was empty, secondly 371 really isn't all that large (check out Cat:Asteroid stubs or Cat:American people stubs and some of there subcats) I'm sure with a bit of work the US and UK templates could reach 60. I don't think we need to split this at the moment other than if the US/UK get up to size unless someone is planning to create a mass of articles and then I would suggest templates till there are 60 articles. Waacstats (talk) 14:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Waacstats. My mistake, there are indeed 106 articles in the Australian subcat. Second, you're right that there aren't enough Prison Topic stubs to justify a subcat yet. It's too bad that there are so many stubs with names of individual prisons obscuring the Prison topic stubs. (I only disagree in that I think this category is very different from the lists of asteroids or American people since those homogeneous categories might not meet other stub sorting guidelines such as "will the new sub-type be well-defined".) Prison name is quite different from Prison topics of current stubs (prison transport, work release, youth detention center). Many more people are likely to be able to contribute information on youth detention centers (juvenile hall!) than on, say, Bracebridge jail. Due to their nature, it is very difficult to find the topical prison stubs without a subcategory. Hopefully users will soon be adding more prison topics stubs and editing the ones that are there and it will be appropriate to create a subcategory.Jessamyncp (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
A better name might be Cat:Prison structure stubs.--TM 20:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Certainly the proposed names are pretty odd, as neither suggests that it is a stub category. However, since we've started to split out stubs by location, surely that's the way to continue. Stubs in the category are really only supposed to be on individual prisons, though, so perhaps some larger parent stub category is needed for the other related topics. Then we'd have

We could that way later extend it, if necessary, to have penal system stubs for individual countries. Grutness...wha? 01:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a very good comprimise. Waacstats (talk) 08:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Support. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Sounds great. -Jessamyncp (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Korea-bio templates

I think these templates should be split into NorthKorea-bio and SouthKorea-bio where necessary. I also think we need to keep Korea-bio for articles before the countries divided.

The following will be affected:

Category structure proposed is:

Borgarde (talk) 06:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I would see what User:Caspian blue has to say... Himalayan 19:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

This is becoming more viable - the main problem is that so many of the articles (especially for things like writer, painter, etc) are people who lived predominantly pre 1950. So even with the two subtypes, there will be a large number of articles in the parent cats. Grutness...wha? 22:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Dermatology stubs

currently oversized (1200+) articles with no subcats. The only subcats I can find that have 60+ articles is Cat:Cutaneous conditions at over 1000 articles from here we have 5 categories that have 60 + articles so I suggest

God alone knows what to call the templates though, any ideas. Waacstats (talk) 23:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment. I think user:Kilbad and WP:DERM are going through a major online text adding stubs for all sking conditions without articles. Maybe worth dropping a line over at that project's talk page there about this one. Grutness...wha? 01:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - Thank you for notifying us at WP:DERM about this discussion. I think having the dermatology stub categories mirror the formal derm categories is a good idea. The current categorization scheme for dermatology-related content is available at WP:DERM:CAT. With that being said, I therefore would like to see, as you have done above, stub categories that are named the same as the formal category, but with the word "stub" appended. Does that make sense? ---kilbad (talk) 19:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
So it sounds like a major editor of dermatolgy articles is supportive of this, given the above are the only categories that have over 60 stubs, any idea on template names? Waacstats (talk) 22:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
From a WSS point of view, one or two of them are fairly straightforward - {[tl|Cutaneous-stub}} for the parent and {{genodermatoses-stub}} - for the others, perhaps {{Skin-appendage-stub}}, {{Dermal-growth-stub}}, {{Epidermal-growth-stub}}, and {{Cutaneous-infection-stub}} respectively? Grutness...wha? 22:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. Waacstats (talk) 07:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Moth stubs

I seem to be taking on the life stubs so here goes, according to catscan the follwoing are viable

Geometridae would be immediatly oversized at 2889 but better having that than one cat at over 5000. Waacstats (talk) 23:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC) Support, Waacs you do realise I am baldy don't you? Himalayan 19:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed, I tend to avoid fuss on here where possible, sorry to hear about all the trouble but glad to see you've stayed. Hope we will still have your input here even if we won't be seeing so many of your articles. Waacstats (talk) 08:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Aah. That explains why we haven't seen the evil doctor around here lately... Grutness...wha? 23:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming and reorganization of Gene stubs

Nothing about the "gene-stub" category or its 23 subcategories suggests that it's for human genes only. Right now, there are 15 articles using the gene-stub tag, several of which are non-human genes. That seems right to me...in fact, I don't know where the non-human gene stubs are ending up, because there MUST be more! BUT, the subcategories are all called "Chromosome a gene stubs", where a = 1-22 or X. This is clearly referring to HUMAN genes!! But this should be much more explicit. So, I propose the following:

1. The category Gene stubs under Genetics stubs be either
(a) renamed to "Human gene stubs"; or
(b) kept titled as is, with 1 subcategory entitled "Human gene stubs"
Which option to choose depends mostly on where the non-human gene stubs are going. If they're just going under "Genetics stubs" (which they don't seem to be), option (b) seems the better choice. If they're elsewhere (the various fungus/plant/animal/microbio categories?), option (a) may be better...
2. All the "Chromosome __ gene stubs" be retitled "Human chromosome __ gene stubs".

I think the most logical idea would be to have the "gene stubs" category, with "human gene stubs" underneath, AND also have the other organismal genes placed in there too...but that would require a LOT of collaboration. I'm posting a link to this on the WikiProjects Genetics page immediately. I'm also going to look into the non-human genes thing a bit more, and then possible post a link on some of the following WikiProjects: Biology, Evolutionary biology, Microbiology, Molecular + cell bio, Viruses, and more...wow, there's more than I thought....

— Skittleys (talk) 00:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Erm, I hope it was implied, but I'm also proposing the templates be renamed, not just the categories! — Skittleys (talk) 03:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

This may be more something for WP:SFD than here, since it requires a mass renaming of templates and categories. The gene stub types were proposed in the middle of last year, but somehow it must've slipped through that they were for human genetics. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Puerto Rico Registered Historic Place stubs

current upmerged template with over 60 articles. speedy? Waacstats (talk) 21:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Ghost town stubs

Oversized; currently at 193 568 entries. There are others that belong here that aren't stub tagged, and there are other known ghost town articles that still need to be created as per List of ghost towns in Manitoba and List of ghost towns in Colorado. Therefore, I recommend the following:

--Rosiestep (talk) 19:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

193 is hardly oversized (Good knows what you would call Cat:Asteroid stubs), though I agree I have seen many articles in US/CAN that could use this and don't so would support templates for US/CAN and possibly California and categories for them once they pass 60. Waacstats (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Like I mentioned, there were quite a few articles categorized as ghost towns who had other stub tags, but no ghost-town-stub tags. I'm working on that tagging process and I've changed the count accordingly. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
As long as you don't remove the others (if they're relevant, of course) - I wouldn't want to see, for instance, a ghost town in South Australia marked with ghost-town-stub but not also marked with SouthAustralia-geo-stub. Actually, if we're going to start breaking out national ghost town stubs, Australia would be a reasonable one to add to the list. But yeah, 193 (and even 253) is nowhere near oversized (in fact, it's pretty close to the "sweet spot" for stub category size) - we don't normally start thinking of splitting things until they reach the 600-800 area. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Agree. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
It hink if your going to keep pudhing this upit may be an idea to create the templates now save having to sort twice
Yup, Waacstats, good idea. So the Canada, US, and California templates are in place and I've updated above the number of articles that use these 3 template tags. Also created {{Australia-ghost-town-stub}}. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC) Numbers update.--Rosiestep (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Support, obvious solution to an oversized category and template. Nyttend (talk) 12:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. Himalayan 19:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Computer science stubs

Oversized: 979 stubs. There are some sub-categories, in addition to those I propose the following:

It might not be a bad idea to just have stubs types for each of the sub-categories of computer science (about 21 in total). --Robin (talk) 22:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

  • The idea of 21 separate templates might be good, but I doubt all 21 would reach the 60 stub mark for separate categories at the moment. It may be easier to work on a case-by-case basis. As to the two you've proposed above they both look fine, but the second needs a tweak of name - I'd go for Cat:Algorithm stubs (singular, per stub naming conventions) and {{algorithm-stub}} (avoiding the potentially ambiguous abbreviation). It might also be better to have the first's template (or a redirect to it) at {{comp-sci-theory-stub}}, since there are (IIRC) several other "theory" types all in that format. Grutness...wha? 23:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I've modified my proposal. --Robin (talk) 00:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
  • The 60-something rule is clearly not always obeyed, nor is it part of any page baring even "guideline" status at the top, let alone "policy". For instance, check out Category:Mathematics stub templates, e.g. Template:Math-competition-stub. Template stubs should be created whenever a category is sufficiently distinct so that tagging with something-else-stub looks weird, especially when the category with which the stubs are associated naturally belongs to more than one parent category. Otherwise you need to either pick a potentially uninformative stub or "multi-stub" an article, which looks equally grotesque, although I've seen that done too. Pcap ping 11:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Nunavut geography stubs

Oversized; currently at 963 entries. Following the naming convention of Cat:Nova Scotia geography stubs subcategories, I recommend the following:

--Rosiestep (talk) 17:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 12:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Support in principal with splitting Manitoba, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan and Newfoudland and Labrador. Unfortunatly none of these have categories so can't work out any numbers and most articles don't state which area they are in so may proove difficult for those of us outside the areas to do. Waacstats (talk) 13:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I thought that you ment other regions of Canada. That's why the lng list. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 15:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Support Good find Rosie. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, not much of a find. As I've created many of the Nunavut geo stubs, it's been gnawing on me to also deal with the splitting... kinda like the responsible thing to do. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment. With regard to N&L, it may be worth noting that Labrador-geo-stub is already used as a redirect. Not sure whether it's an officially designated subregion, but if so, making it into a stand-alone template might help alleviate things a little. Grutness...wha? 23:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Ascomycota stubs

Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable

Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Yes to all your creature proposals. I am clueless as you are but you seem to have caught relevant sub categories. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Diptera stubs

Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable, though I know some have been proposed in the past thought I would gather them all together

The last three would be immediatly over 800 but can't see any possible splits. Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - as to the last 3, lets first get them established and then see where (if at all) we can split them. 3 categories of over 800 each is better than these over 2,000 sitting in a single parent category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Noctuidae stubs

Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable

Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Perciformes stubs

Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable

Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Siluriformes stubs

Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable

Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of New York geography stubs

Yet another oversized US State propose

both from currently upmerged templates with 60+ articles. Waacstats (talk) 07:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Looks OK Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Ideologies stubs

I'm proposing a new stub template for Ideologies stubs. Then, an article such as Festivalism can use that template rather than having to use another template that is not so suitable. BejinhanTalk 04:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It would be Cat:Ideology stubs, not Cat:Ideologies stubs, but I'm a little concerned that it's a fairly vague category - it could cover everything from politics to religion to philosophy. Grutness...wha? 07:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with G but may be a {{Politics-ideology-stub}} upmerged to the oversized politics stubs may be an idea. Waacstats (talk) 07:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{chemical-nomenclature-stub}}

There's already a Cat:Chemical nomenclature, and I've found many stubs among this category. I'm proposing a stub separation between Cat:Chemical nomenclature and Cat:Chemistry or Cat:Physical chemistry. It should be used for certain articles as oppose to {{physical-chemistry-stub}}. ForestAngel (talk) 20:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Not a bad suggestion, though perhaps widening it to a similar form as other comparable stub types by making it a {{Chemistry-term-stub}} (for chemistry terminology) might be more useful? Grutness...wha? 01:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Grutness we already have -foo-term-stub for other areas, law and geo spring to mind might be wider in scope but will probably be as useful. Waacstats (talk) 07:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Beetle stubs

Not my usual area of expertise but help from catscan suggests the following are viable splits of this oversized category

Any tree of life experts want to comment, or anyone else for that matter. Waacstats (talk)

[edit] Split of California geography stubs

The following are all viable based on existing upmerged templates

Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sí. Approve all. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Latvia-icehockey-bio-stub}}

I was stubsorting just now and realized that Latvia does not have even an upmerged stub for ice hockey players despite a category including 73 articles. Propose an upmerged stub until the requisite number of stubs can be found.--TM 16:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Support and for any other European country. Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Shock Horror

Believe it or not we DON'T have a Cat:Delaware geography stubs despite the template having over 250 articles, I propose this be speedy created based on the fact that every other state in the US has it's own category. Waacstats (talk) 10:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Very surprising indeed! Ofcourse speedy.--TM 15:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Not suprising when you consider that when all the others were broken out into their own categories there were three stubs! It must have slipped under the radar since then, though. Speedy support. Grutness...wha? 01:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


Now if it was California... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

We'd already have 8 county geo cats and a proposal for another 23. Waacstats (talk) 22:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Another speedy support. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Orchid stubs

Oversized stub category already split out the largest genus but another genus has over 60 and that is Cat:Dendrobium stubs. Waacstats (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Paraná (Brazilian state) geography stubs

Another Brazilian state tops 60 (actually tops 250), category name based on existing categories. Waacstats (talk) 21:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Mars-crosser asteroid stubs/{{mars-crosser-asteroid-stub}}

According to [3], this category can already contain 165 stubs, from Category:Asteroid stubs - which is the biggest stub category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

looks like a needed split. Waacstats (talk) 12:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Anything which can sensibly split that category will be an advantage - it's almost useless in its current form. Grutness...wha? 01:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
A similar search shows that 4000 should be in Cat:Main Belt asteroid stubs will have to get AWB out for that I think. Waacstats (talk) 15:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Board-videogame-stub}}

Require a board game sub category under video game. There are a lot of games under this category eg Mahjong, Monopoly, UNO, etc Banej (talk) 03:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

seems a reasonable grouping but I'm wandering why I can't find a permanent category for these? Waacstats (talk) 10:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Try Cat:Video board games. Which suggests that the template should perhaps be at {{video-board-game-stub}} to match {{board-game-stub}} (possibly with a redirect at the proposed name). Grutness...wha? 01:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Agree we should have a redirect one way or the other and I am not that fussed which way round, but catscan only shows 40 articles so template only unless 60 are found during stubbing. Waacstats (talk) 08:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Have tagged some of the previously missed articles - Latest catscan shows 66 articles. Banej (talk) 14:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Everything seems fine then. Waacstats (talk) 08:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Anybody able to assists in the creation? Have no experiences creating a stub, especially on the graphics part. Banej (talk) 06:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Bulbophyllum-stub}}

I've never proposed a science stub tag before, so I'm not sure - would this be the way to do it? I did some heavy orchid stubbing last night, and I think the above would clean out the orchid stub category quite a bit. Requisite category would be Cat:Bulbophyllum stubs, I suppose. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

would certainly cut down the Orchid stubs but would it self be iimmediatly oversized. Can't see any other way of pruning the orchids though so Support Waacstats (talk) 09:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:African sports venue stubs

Main category is already divided by countries and, if we use the UN guidelines, each region should easily come close to and surpass the minimum.--TM 19:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

missed this till now, seems reasonable and we have split everything in Africa the same way (geo,bio,politician etc) Waacstats (talk) 15:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:Gansu geography stubs

Should be over 60.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

along the same lines the following Chinese provinces are also viable

don't think any need any disambig but not 100% sure. Waacstats (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Scotland geography stubs

A few of the templates upmerged into subcats of scottish geography have passed the 60 mark, anyone fancy

and what do we do once these are created because Cat:North East Scotland geography stubs and Cat:Orkney and Shetland geography stubs will just be container categories so do we have the above as sub categories of the regions or as subcats of the scottish category and delete the regions. Waacstats (talk) 10:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Support. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Support, though two of them should be at Cat:Perth and Kinross geography stubs and Cat:Stirlingshire geogreaphy stubs, since the counties are Perth and Kinross and Stirlingshire. As to the current categories, for the most part we delete the regional categories once county ones are all made (as happened with English counties), but we've not been totally consistent about it - in this case I think deletion would be best. Grutness...wha? 23:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Knew i wouldn't get a geo-stub proposal without some error in it. Waacstats (talk) 22:09, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
      • Actually, I think I may be wrong about Stirling - it's a bit confusing with both Stirlingshire and Stirling (council area)... perhaps someone with more knowledge of Scotland might be able to help? Grutness...wha? 23:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
        • Having read the relevant articles it lokos like it should be Stirling, we seem to be splitting by council areas.Waacstats (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{AzadKashmir-geo-stub}} and {{NorthernAreas-geo-stub}}

Also I think a Cat:Azad Kashmir geography stubs is in the pipeline, looks around 60 stubs to me. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Weak support - only weak because this one is fraught with edit-warring possibilities and may need to be protected preemptively (note that Azad Kashmir is similarly protected). Grutness...wha? 23:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes I am aware of that, Azad Kashmir though is a formal state and is internationally recognised. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Strong support, if you look at Category:Pakistan geography stubs there are hundreds of articles, the vast majority for Azad Kashmir and the Northern Areas, there should also be a {{NorthernAreas-geo-stub}} currently the four provinces of Pakistan have geo-stubs but not these areas. Pahari Sahib 09:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Grutness would you suggest a PK or something in the Northern Area template or is that OK? Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The name of the article on the place is simply Northern Areas, so it should be fine. A redirect from {{NorthernAreasPK-geo-stub}} would make sense, though. Grutness...wha? 23:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Staten Island geography stubs

Template is upmerged into Cat:New York City geography stubs, and has 66 pages. I propose making it into its own category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Support, surprised it hasn't been split before. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] UPmerged templates past 60

the following are all viable based on existing templates

will also need to change the name of the existing catch all categories. Waacstats (talk) 22:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Mmm, quite an interest among editors eh... Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Canadian building and structure stubs

Following on from the proposal lower down, the following are now viable, expect more to follow

Waacstats (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Support to all Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Changing proposal for malls to Cat:Canadian shopping mall stubs to agree to parent. Waacstats (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
and adding Cat:Quebec building and structure stubs should be the last one. Waacstats (talk) 10:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Support per Waacstats' addition/alteration. Grutness...wha? 23:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] HIV/AIDS stub

I propose there should be an {{HIV-stub}} and {{AIDS-stub}} for the AIDS and HIV virus. An example of something that would fit is V3_loop.Smallman12q (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm all for the HIV one, but AIDS is a subset of HIV. Is it really distinct enough to gain it's own stub? Gosox5555 (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Create university templates by each remaining Asian country

Templates are greatly needed for universities in places like Burma etc of where they are a huge number of universities. I propose {{Burma-university-stub}} etc and upmerge. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy support. Waacstats (talk) 10:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:San‘a’ Governorate geography stubs, Cat:Abyan Governorate geography stubs and Cat:Hadhramaut Governorate geography stubs

Both have well over 60 stubs in them, makes sense to create cats. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Support, these seem to be the largest governorates in the Yemen. Waacstats (talk) 14:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{US-conductor-stub}} and Cat:United States conductor stubs

Having just emptied the euro's out of the parent cat I noticed atleast 70 of the remainder are american worth a template and category? Waacstats (talk) 13:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy as well Gosox5555 (talk) 14:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Ukraine geography stubs

950 odd, oversized. Recommend creating new templates by oblast and creating categories where viable. Best to drop the Oblast ending, when writtne they will clearly state oblast anyway. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd wait for Grutness to check over these but they seem OK, {{IvanoFrankivsk-geo-stub}} without the extra hyphen is the only change I would make. Waacstats (talk) 07:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
That's the only change I'd make to the names, unless there's something strange about Ukrainian geography that I'm unaware of. Grutness...wha? 22:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I created these templates with the intention of sorting them tonight, but it's gotten a bit late so I'm off. I do however think we also need a {{Crimea-geo-stub}} for the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Borgarde (talk) 15:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Company templates by country

Specifically South America, although might be a good idea for every country. {{Chile-company-stub}} etc is definately the sort of template that is needed. There are tons of notable companies in most of the Latin American nations. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

given that we already have a continental cat I think this can be speedied but we only have 50 odd articles in there so not really a high priority yet. Waacstats (talk) 07:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Asia-scientist-stub}} and {{Asia-botanist-stub}}

Would be easier to use on some of the scientist articles. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

As I said below, would prefer by nation templates for Asia-scientist, I'm not sure that the botanist stub is needed yet, we only have 400 odd stubs and haven't split out Europe yet which would teake the vast majority of them. Waacstats (talk) 07:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Well {{Burma-scientist-stub}} didn't exist neither did an Asian one... Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

What I meant was I'm happy either way just think it would save time in the long run going for the {{Burma-scientist-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 13:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

OK.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Windmill stub template

OK, I've created this before coming here because I didn't know not to! {{Windmill-stub}} is intended for use by WP:MILLS on stub class windmill articles. It's only in use on one article atm and I won't add it to any more until it has been approved/discussed first. If it gets deleted it's no big deal. Mjroots (talk) 07:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Support You did the right thing coming here and I'd imagine the others will also support it. I would evne go as far as to propose a {{UK-windmill-stub}} and a {{Netherlands-windmill-stub}} and any other major windmill country. Given time or if not already they are likely to be viable for their own categories too. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Belated support, and hopefully we can get more articles on Dutch windmills (belive it or not we only have 4 articles, and that is not a challenge!)Waacstats (talk) 21:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Support from me too, with the proviso that they're used in addition to the nation-specific struct-stubs, not replacing them (e.g., a windmill in Australia should be tagged with both Windmill-stub and Australia-struct-stub). Once we get to the point of nation specific windmill-stubs, of course, then they'd replace both as a combined form, but - despite Dr B's suggestion, I'm not convinced there are enough of them for that yet. Grutness...wha? 00:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

See List of windmills in the Netherlands, that's why I suggested it!!. There is a group of editors working on them I believe, so soon enough there will be hundreds... Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I take it that this is approved then? Mjroots (talk) 11:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Yup, though note that even with a wikiproject it should be used on at least 30 articles in order for a category to be regarded as viable. Grutness...wha? 23:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New struct templates for Spanish regions and Cat:Spanish museum stubs

Just noticed that the number of buuildings for Spain and the sheer amount being transwikied by region more than makes it appropriate to create new structure templates by region of Spain e.g {{Catalonia-struct-stub}}, {{Andalusia-struct-stub}} etc. Also the number of museums is growing big so Cat:Spanish museum stubs should be on the cards. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Note though that the number of articles for each region is likely to be very uneven and propbably a lot of articles are not categorized or stub sorted properly. I think creating templates by region of Spain and at least upmerging any that aren't viable yet would be a good step for organization in the future I think. If needs be I can create a lot of articles too...

Support. These are much needed templates to help with the large group of Spain-struct-stub articles; and the cat Cat:Spanish museum stubs would grow daily. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Support, but with a couple of alterations. 1) We'd normally use {{CastileLaMancha-struct-stub}} (no gap, no extra hyphen), and {{Balearics-struct-stub}} (Canary Islands only uses "Islands" because of the possibility for confusion with the birds); 2) Note that with Ceuta and Melilla we usually use a more inclusive {{Plazasdesoberanía-foo-stub}} type to cover both the PdS and the autonomous cities in North Africa (spelt out for such use on the template itself), with redirects from {{Ceuta-foo-stub}} and {{Melilla-foo-stub}}. This has caused a bit of a problem in the past, though (we had one repetitive, angry, and vandalous Spanish editor who claimed that by saying that the stub type was for "Spain's autonomous cities in North Africa" - as the template was worded - we were claiming they weren't Spanish. Go figure.), so it might be worthwhile to clear that up starting with separate stubs for the two cities here. Grutness...wha? 01:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but I think we also use BasqueCountry-foo-stub as a basic type, to avoid confisuon with the people. Anyone know for sure?Grutness...wha? 00:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Support struct templates no problem there. Will support the museum category once the template gets to 60 which it hasn't yet. Waacstats (talk) 21:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mathematical Biology

I propose this stub because there isn't a mathematical biology stub template or category and there are a good number of articles that would support it. Currently, there is nothing that speaks to both mathematics and biology together as one discipline. If I'm missing something here, please let me know.

There are a number of articles that this could be applied to, but Isuggest a template (feeding into both Maths stubs and biology stubs to see if this does get past 60 and if itdoes then I will support a category. Waacstats (talk) 17:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I concur Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Major World Cuisine Stubs

Each of these could have more than 60 stubs, currently located in {{Cuisine-stub}} or the stub categories for each country. - AKeen (talk) 04:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I proposed this only about a month ago. Support. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

if we are going to have these then it would be {{UK-cuisine-stub}}
Ok, thanks, modified stub- AKeen (talk) 14:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bivalve stub

I have created {{Bivalve-stub}} to better organize bivalves. The main purpose was not to distinguish bivalves (there exist 10 000 species of bivalves, so it will be usefull in the future), that are in majority of now used mollusc-stub, but to clearly organize the rest of mollusc-stub articles of their smaller taxons like polyplacophorans, monoplacophorans and other little known ones. --Snek01 (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

the thing is do we have 60 articles or are these articles waiting to be created, we normally only make categories when there are 60 articles, if the articles aren't there yet we normally merge the template into a related category (normally any stub category that would act as the categories parent). I don't know enough about molluscs and bivalves to know and my usual tool isn't working so I will say belated support assuming the articles are there. Waacstats (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree (and Snek01 would have been told as much if (s)he had proposed the stub rather than simply creating it and telling us later). Unless there are 60 currently existing bivalve stubs, this may need upmerging. Snek01, if you plan to do any more organisation as you mention above, it needs to be debated first. Grutness...wha? 22:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
There is few hundred bivalve stub (less than 500, according to my guess about 400. But certainly more than 100.) --Snek01 (talk) 10:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC) My guess was good, it is exactly 303 articles right now. Thank you, that you have trusted in me. Next time I will not announce any started stub type here, but rather I will normally start it without this project. --Snek01 (talk) 10:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Create building templates for Canadian provinces

Amazed we didn't have any:

Templates to create:

Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure these fall under any of the normal speedy rules, but they should be speediable, given the rate we seem to slipping behind at the moment though I don't think that really matters. (thats a speedy support by the way). Waacstats (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Probably not quite speediable, though if we have lighthouse-stubs for all of these 9which we do now) I seriously doubt there'd be much of a problem if the five-day rule was um, bent slightly, shall we say? Grutness...wha? 23:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Created the templates and noticed this should be {{Nunavut-struct-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 08:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed above typo on Nunavut. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Greek writer stubs

Upmerged template has 48 articles and an upmerged poet template has 17 and there is already a Cat:Ancient Greek writer stubs easily enough for a category.Waacstats (talk) 10:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Support' Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat: European musician stubs

The following are viable based on the relevenat -musician-stub and -singer-stub templates.

-speedy. Waacstats (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy all Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Terrorism

There is no terrorism stub template or category. There is need for one, as stub articles are currently being marked with other tags, such as ones relating to their location. Category:Stub-Class Terrorism articles has 179 articles in it. I am suggesting simply:

Stub icon This terrorism-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

to use: Category:Terrorism stubs

and

Stub icon This biographical article relating to terrorism is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

to use: Category:Terrorism biography stubs

Any changes and suggestions welcome. Patchy1Talk To Me! 06:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Probably not too bad an idea, as long as a close check is kept on what does and doesn't get marked with this (given that it's a fairly dangerous area to try to define). The general terrorism type would be a reasonable parent to the Guantanamo Bay internee stub category, too. I'd support both templates, but only one category for now (the parent Cat:Terrorism stubs, until we know for certain there are 60 biographical articles (if there are, that would be speediable later). Please note, though, that something being a Stub-Class article doesn't necessarily mean it is a stub (or vice versa). Even so, if there are 170 Stub_Class articles, there's certain to be more than 60 stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems sensible. Caution needs to be exercised though in who is labelled a "terrorist". Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I think this is one occasion when Related is important, do we include anti-terrorist organisations in terrorist stubs as they are RELATED to terrorism? Waacstats (talk) 15:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
That is an interesting question, but i suppose it would include anti-terrorist orgs, terrorist acts, terrorists and terrorist groups. Other stub categories include that depth, don't they? Happy to discuss this. Patchy1Talk To Me! 07:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Poet Stubs: {{SouthAm-poet-stub}}/Cat:South American poet stubs and {{MidEast-poet-stub}}/Cat:Middle Eastern poet stubs

If we're going to separate writer and poet stubs (and that's a question), I think these are necessary. Most of the articles in Cat:poet-stub are from either of these regions. Also, {{Romanian-poet-stub}} seems necessary. Gosox5555 (talk) 23:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The categories sound good, but I'd prefer templates by nation rather than region. In the case of SA it would only be about a dozen templates, and the same with ME - it makes for easier splits later if needed. Grutness...wha? 23:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Fine by me. Gosox5555 (talk) 03:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC) Edit: my one question would be what to do if a poet was before modern contries were in existence. Gosox5555 (talk) 03:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
With one or two very, very rare exceptions, we use the current national boundaries. If someone was born in, say, Zagreb when it was part of Austro-Hungary, they'd still get a Croatia stub. Understandably discretion and a bending of this rule are used for, say, a Palestinian poet born in what is now Tel Aviv, but we certainly don't have specific stub types for countries that no longer exist except in very rare cases (among them an overall China- type and an overall Korea- type). By the way, we use the noun form of country names for templates (CamelCase where necessary), so you're looking at things like {{Romania-poet-stub}}, not {{Romanian-poet-stub}} (a full list showing usual country names can be seen at User:Grutness/Geo-stub list). Grutness...wha? 08:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Seams to be a case of spellcheck gone wild. I meant {{Romania-poet-stub}}. Gosox5555 (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

That is true. Support. I would also support the creation of poet templates by country e.g {{Brazil-poet-stub}} and upmerge. Sometimes "writer stub" is a bit generalised. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Support, though I'm fairly sure the categories should have a lowercase p in poet. Cat:South American poet stubs and Cat:Middle Eastern poet stubs. Waacstats (talk) 15:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Oops -yup, you're right. Hadn't spotted that. Support per Waacstats' amendments. Grutness...wha? 22:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
My bad again. Thanks for fixing it. Gosox5555 (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian lighthouses

Ser Amantio (formerly Mr. AlbertHerring) is drawing up a big list of lighthouses from Canada by province, first one is List of lighthouses in Prince Edward Island. At present we have about 50 stubs on Canadian lighthouses but shortly we should create Cat:Canadian lighthouse stubs and split it from canadian building and structure stubs. Note that given time I expect a lot of the province ones to be viable e.g Category:Ontario lighthouse stubs as there are reportedly something like 400. Anyway for now I propose the creation of province lighhouse templates. I made one for {{PrinceEdwardIsland-lighthouse-stub}} and propose to follow suite with the others. Even this island has about 45 lighthouses so they will be umerged into the new Cat:Canadian lighthouse stubs. The rest maybe with the exception of the inner provinces will all become viable eventually so I propose the creation of province templates before he starts on each list and then creating a category if it becomes viable. For the inner provinces where there may not be many lighthouses I propose a {{Canada-lighthouse-stub}}. As you guys, Waacs and Gruts both know how fast Ser amantio works there shouldn't be a problem with these. If he decides to work through this extraordinary world lighthouse source then eventually it may become necessary to create a lighthouse stub template by country but for now this is OK. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Templates to create:

  • Support - and for any other country which needs one (not for all countries, though - I doubt we'll need a Mongolia-lighthouse-stub, for instance :) Grutness...wha? 00:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

On some countries you'd be surpised. There are a number of notable lighthouses in Eritrea for instance!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

At least Eritrea's on the coast. I doubt there's much danger of any ships running into the Mongolian coast ;)) Grutness...wha? 08:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Support for all, nice to see Ser back Waacstats (talk) 21:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Support, of course - though Manitoba's iffy (there are eleven current and former stations, if memory serves). And thanks - it's good to be back. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

11 is OK to make a template. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. in the future it may be wise to create struct templates by Canadian province like {{Ontario-struct-stub}}. What do you think. So far 528 Canadian struct stubs but I'm certain there are much more not tagged under this, Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

That would be a good idea, I think. Some must be getting close to the golden 60 mark. Grutness...wha? 23:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
we haven't got these already? I'm sure I've used them in the past?Waacstats (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I know I could have sworn I used a Ontario-struct-stub to add to buildings in Toronto. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Mecklenburg-Vorpommern geography stubs

We already have three subcats and recently created upmerged by district templates. The folowing categories would pass the 60 mark

my guess is the other two districts will pass 60 if they do I propose

I believe that the Urban districts will struggle to pass 60 and if any do will propose them seperatly. Waacstats (talk) 09:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Darn these months are sialing by SOOO fast. Support Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Support Go for (Bad Doberan -no biscuit!) Grutness...wha? 08:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Japan-road-stub}} and {{SouthKorea-road-stub}}

A brand new month... two upmerged templates - it looks like the majority of the articles in Cat:Asia road stubs are from one or the other of these countries. Grutness...wha? 01:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ha! Looks like we've had one of these - and category - (unproposed, and unlinked to any stub parents) for two years! I've added it into Asia road stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Do we have SouthKorea-x-stub or do we have Korea-x-stub. Waacstats (talk) 09:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Like with China, we tend to use Korea- for historical items and things which stretch pre 1950. Things like geography, where it's clear which side of the border something is on, we have both NorthKorea- and SouthKorea-. I'd be quite willing to amend the proposal to Korea-road-stub, though, if it's preferred. Grutness...wha? 00:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I just couldn't remember a North/South Korea split, so given that I'm happy with a Korea-road-stub
I'm a little confused - happy with Korea, or SouthKorea? Grutness...wha? 23:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry shouldn't edit when tired. Happy with SouthKorea-road-stub as proposed. Waacstats (talk) 14:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Support I've had my eyes on those for a while. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Support as well. I see no problems. Gosox5555 (talk) 03:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Pyralidae-stubs}}

Deserves its own category becaus it is the second largest moth family [4]. About 160 pages would be moved from {{Moth stubs}}

Tim1357 (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess the stub-sorting should be done by family or (if the family is large) by subfamily. Some families (like the Geometer and Noctuid moths) have hundreds of genera and 10.000's of species.. Ruigeroeland (talk) 00:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Old business

Everything from here down has passed the five day proposal period. Unless discussion to determine consensus is actively on-going, proposals may be acted upon, to be created, or noted as not approved. Move this marker up as time passes.


[edit] Proposals, July 2009

Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.

If (after approval) you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the list of stub types. This page will be archived in its entirety once all discussions have been closed; there is no need to move them to another page.


[edit] {{Mathematical-biology-stub}}

{{Mathematical-biology-stub}} Under Category:Biology Nimbios (talk) 19:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Second split of Cat:Brazil stubs

I said there would be more, another 5 upmerged state templates have reached 60 propose the following (speedy)

more will follow, though these should get the parent off the oversized list. Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Support Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Add to that the following

name of Acre chosen to match existing disambiguation. this will take it off the oversized list. Waacstats (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Military-units-and-formations-of-France-stub}}

Self-evident from the category of the same name. I'm a first-timer; I would have thought a stub automatically existed for every category. Am I missing something? Petershank (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

No, that's where our hard toil and tears come into play I'm afraid. Your template is way too much of a mouthful. I'd recommend simply {{France-military-struct-stub}} if the template is needed. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

  • That name won't do either Dr B - that would mean forts (struct = buildings and structures), and we use "mil" for military. I'd suggest that {{France-mil-unit-stub}} would be a better way to go, though I'm not sure whether that form or another is used for other countries which have such a type (if any). Grutness...wha? 00:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
    • As the only country we have currently split out is the UK, I say we use that as a template and so Grutness would be correct in the name, I would however hold off on a category as it appears to be on the low side. It may be worth creating {{Germany-mil-unit-stub}} and {{US-mil-unit-stub}} aswell. Waacstats (talk) 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I knew that the full name proposal wasn't correct! Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Seismologist-stub}}

Links people from this profession. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Asia-scientist-stub}}

Would be useful to tie odd biographies from some of the more obscure asian countries together. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I have no problem with this but would prefer upmerged by country templates, given that we have 5 categories already I think a category is a given. Waacstats (talk) 12:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:China stubs

If you think how vast China is and that the near 800 articles we have presently within them are likely to grow considerably I think now would be a good point to create regional templates for general topics like {{Qinghai-stub}} and {{Sichuan-stub}}. I'd imagine some are not easily organised by region and there will be a lot of uneveness towards the main cities like Beijing and Shanghai but I am certain a lot of them could be reorganised. At some point is may even me reasonable to create sub cats of this like {{Sichuan-bio-stub}} etc. but at present I doubt it would be worth it yet. I think it is owrthy creating the templates anyway and the geo stubs can also be sub categorised from the main provincial cats. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it may be better splitting this in the same way as other countries for now, splitting out -newspaper-, -sport- etc. I haven't loked at the category so I don't know what would be viable and what wouldn't but will try to look later on tonight. Waacstats (talk) 17:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't want anything too localised but it would certianly be appropriate to have main stub categories for the huge regions of China. We have {{Tibet-stub}} after all!!

Dr B? I'm not saying I'm opposed to them but having had a look through China stubs (what a mess) I will add tidying up to my to do list. It seems that these categories would be subcats of Cat:People's Republic of China stubs not Cat:China stubs and that a number of the articles can easily be moved into other appropiate categories (does an article on the Beijing Olympics belong in a PRC-sport- cat or a Beijing- cat) Waacstats (talk) 12:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you see now what I mean about it being in a mess? It needs work and organization I think. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:United States history stubs

Over 700 articles. I propose subdividing by state.

I think that's all (I count 50.)Gosox5555 (talk) 14:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that splitting by state is the best way togo with this, maybe a split by period (also taking out all the -bio-, -geo- and -struct- stubs would help). Waacstats (talk) 15:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Weak oppose I agree, I don't think it is necessary given that some history predates the existence of actual states and I do't see an overwhelming amount of stubs for each state. On average it works out as 14 articles per state. History would best be dealt with my time period. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

  • I must say I agree - this isn't the best way to split this. A large number of US history stubs will almost certainly relate to the history of the country overall, rather than any specific state. If i were going to split them, I'd go by historical period (we already have a pre-Columbian stub, for instance). A US-20thcentury-history-stub, US-19thcentury-history-stub, and US-18thcentury-history-stub might be more useful. It's also worth noting that if we do go with a state-by-state split, many of the proposed names are incorrect - we use CamelCase for stub templates - with no spaces in state names. Grutness...wha? 23:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Agree completely. By century in the US and you have my support. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Brazil geography stubs

Over 1700 articles, recently flooded with river articles, in process of adding state templates (see last months proposals) 4 are already over 60, propose

more will surely follow. Waacstats (talk) 11:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC) Support, at least the community didn't propose to nuke those too! Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:King County, Washington geography stubs

The last US state I am splitting, atleast for a while 9though more counties may follow). Already has upmerged template with 60+ articles (mainly on seattle). Speedy? Anyone know of any regions we can use to upmerge the others (same goes for Oregon, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Missouri)? Waacstats (talk) 20:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Add to that Cat:Kitsap County, Washington geography stubs, template has 60 aticles. Waacstats (talk) 09:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Virginia geography stubs

upmerged template with more than 60 articles propose relevant category Cat:Westmoreland County, Virginia geography stubs

  • Speedy support per nom - Waacstats, no? Grutness...wha? 01:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Just wondering, I thought Virginia's abbreviation (on the templates) is VA not VI ??? or my US state abbreviations is not that good :)? --impactF= 17:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry that was me, a bit rushed on the proposal. And yes Impact having loked into it Virginia is VA not VI I copied the pattern that already existed so now we need someone/some bot to go through and change 100+ templates and edit 1000+ articles then delete 100+ redirects. Since Alai is no longer here anyone know of a bot that could do this? Waacstats (talk) 20:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Shame about Alai. Support anyway per nom Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Composer templates for Europe

Given the major significance of composers in Europe I think we should create composer templates by country. They can be upmerged into music biogrpahy stubs until viable of course.

I propose:

Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Given that we have Cat:European composer stubs I think this can be approved, even speedied. Waacstats (talk) 13:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Create remaining templates for European scientists

I've noticed a lot of templates missing like {{Slovenia-scientist-stub}}, {{Croatia-scientist-stub}} etc. Both counties have a great number of notable scientists, so I'd recommend creating templates for all. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I think this was supposed to happen with te creation of the cat (Especially as we have no {{Europe-scientist-stub}} so can be speedied, if that wasn't the case then tis is surely an S1 speedy. Waacstats (talk) 13:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split Cat:German politician stubs by party

1300+, many thousands will be added in coming weeks too. Split by main party and upmerge the others. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Support, I'd help but I've still got Four overized geo cats to sort. Waacstats (talk) 17:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy {{Germany-SPD-politician-stub}} and Cat:Social Democratic Party of Germany politician stubs

Several hundred and counting. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Prehistoric even-toed ungulate stubs/{{paleo-eventoedungulate-stub}}

The intersection between overpopulated Cat:Prehistoric mammal stubs and the Cat:Even-toed ungulate stubs category. At least 95 as of now. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Support, not sure about the naming though, this is correct Waacs? Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Naming here follows the same pattern as Cat:Prehistoric mammal stubs/{{paleo-mammal-stub}}. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The nature categories aren't my area of expertise here but this looks OK to me. Waacstats (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Allegheny County, Pennsylvania geography stubs

upmerged template passed 60, others may follow. Waacstats (talk) 21:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC) Support Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Support- this would appear to be speedy S1. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Austria-composer-stub}}

Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Support Waacstats (talk) 21:31, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{US-violinist-stub}}

I think this may also be viable for its own category. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Support have been looking at this myself. Category iff this reaches 60. Waacstats (talk) 21:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Conductor templates for Europe

Given the major significance of conductors and orchestral music in mainland Europe I think we should create conductor templates by country. They can be upmerged into music biogrpahy stubs.

I propose:

We currently have 541 stubs and many hundreds needing transwikiying so one can imagine that some of these ar elikely to be viable for their own categories too. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Assuming no individual country reaches 60, Support and it may be worth a Cat:European conductor stubs if we're going to have these templates. Waacstats (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Given time I expect the majority of them to be viable for their own categories but Eureopan conductor stubs will certainly be the start, Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Support creating the templates above and Cat:European conductor stubs - both for upmereging templates until there are enough stubs in the relevant category, and as parent categor for the stub categories once there are enough subs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
I've been all the way through Cat:Conductor stubs and those templates above that are still red would have 0 articles so I have not yet created them. Waacstats (talk) 14:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Croatia-cuisine-stub}}

This is also nearing 60. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Give the number of articles we have and vastness of the topic I also propose the following:

Some countries in Latin America too:
Not so sure on these, the two european countries that alreadyhave categories are severley undersized and the fact the parent is only around 400, I think we may be better waiting till this gets a bit bigger and continueing with splitting indvidual countries out. On saying that this is a week oppose and am open to having my mind changed (through discussion or bribery)Waacstats (talk) 21:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Mmm I see your point, I was just looking at Category:Croatian cuisine and seeing how many articles are not even stub tagged and sorted. There are likely to be a much greater number than 400 stubs. For example Hladetina. Best way is to look at the actual categories, the croatian one is practically viable I' am certain there are way more than 400 stubs. Just browse through the European cuisine categories and sub categories by country. Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Support - I think many of these should be created - especially the larger countries like Sweden and France. Others like Malta, might not have enough stubs. - AKeen (talk)

[edit] {{Belarus-university-stub}}

And any other European country except the micro states. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Support these and if the micro states have a couple of universities then i would go as far as supporting them, (I seem to recall that Vatican has a number of theological colleges (universities)). no reason to treat them different because they happen to be small. Waacstats (talk) 09:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


OK I propose the following templates then. God knows how many missing universities we have particularly in Eastern Europe.

While we are here we may as well do Latin America too:
Given existing by continent subcats, support just remember to upmerge the templates to existing categories, I've changed the Netherlands one.Waacstats (talk) 21:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, though i'll nitpickingly add that Belize, Guyana, and Suriname are not technically Latin American, even though they are all in Central or South America :) BTW - do you mean Dominica-university-stub or DominicanRepublic-university-stub? The latter sounds more useful... Grutness...wha? 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category:New South Wales river stubs

{{NewSouthWales-river-stub}} from this list here. Over 300 New South Wales river articles were mechanically created by AlbertHerring (talk · contribs). While there has been discussion about the appropriateness of this at the Australian Wikipedians' notice board, I think it is fairly safe to say that they are here for keeps. Given that, it is probably appropriate that they have their own stub template and category, especially as the {{NewSouthWales-geo-stub}} cat now has over 1,000 articles. The concern I have is that there does not seem to be a parent stub category for {{Australia-river-stub}} or even {{river-stub}}. Advice gratefully accepted. -- Mattinbgn\talk 22:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

  • strong oppose. As has been mentioned here frequently in the past, geo-stubs aren't split by landform. This is the reason we have no overall {{river-stub}}, {{lake-stub}}, {{town-stub}}, {{mountain-stub}}, etc. The way that NSW should be split is the same way all other geographical regions are split - by smaller area - in this case, by county or group of counties. I'd certainly support a split of that form. Grutness...wha? 00:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment How do I split long skinny landforms that cross LGA boundaries? Do I duplicate across every LGA it crosses? How do I define regional boundaries? In Australia, states are too large and LGAs are too small to be reasonably useful for the purpose of stub sorting. Regional boundaries, including {{Riverina-geo-stub}} (which on reflection I should have opposed the creation of) are artificial and have no formal standing whatsover. Using them will lead to battles over whether an area is in let's say "South West Slopes" or "Central West". Perhaps if you point me to where this discussion has been held previously (most of us don't dwell in the details of stub creation) it might be easier to understand why there is what seems to me to an illogical opposition to a reasonable proposal. Why geographical features are lumped in together and every family of arthropod is split is, I must confess, beyond me. If it is seen as reasonable to create a mountain of stubs on a topic (and it appears to be), then those stubs need to be sorted into some sort of rational order. Simply saying "geo-stubs aren't split by landform" as if that was handed down on stone tablets isn't really a useful answer. -- Mattinbgn\talk 02:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Up to four districts, separate stub templates. Any more than that, use the NSW one. That's the way it's done with rivers worldwide. As to previous discussions on the topic, there are numerous - mouintain-stub was even at one time used as a specific example of "what types not to create" at WP:STUB. Perhaps some examples may indicate past discussions on the subject. Grutness...wha? 01:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Weak Support Seems as there are 300 stubs specifically on rivers and there appears to be people interested in expanding them I think we should do it. I wouldn't recommend doing this for everywhere obviously but sorting into districts would really take a lot of hard work sorting, especially as many rivers tracend multiple district barriers. Increasingly with a notable WP:Rivers and Wp:Mountains group there is a stronger case for developing specific categories. I know the convention is by geographical area and I fully support this but in areas whre there are a LOT of rivers like Brazil too etc I think it would be perfectly acceptable to have stub categories for rivers. We create new stub sub categories and templates everyday within a given genre yet we place every geography articles even though there may differ widely from waterfalls or rivers to towns in the same category. I support this in principle in the way that Grutness does but I think this would make sense in the current situation with New South Wales anyway. A lot of editors are not interested in towns for sintance but will gladly work on physical features such as rivers and lakes. This does NOT mean I want to Slovenia-lake-stub or anything all across wikipedia, where possible we should STICK to by area but in rare cases like this it makes more sense, especially as editors seem to want it to work through. Personally I don't mind so long as they develop as efficiently as possible. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:54, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Given the number of times we've had people jumping up and down saying "but there's a precedent!" (consider all the fuss we had with things like North Cyprus stubs and the like), I'd strongly - very very very strongly - ask you to reconsider this. hell, we don't even have an antarctica-glacier-stub - one of the times when it might seem perfectly logical to have one - since it would set an almighty precedent. The main concern is that we actively encourage the use of proposed and accepted types as precedents (e.g., in our speedying rules). Grutness...wha? 01:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I'd have supported an Antarctica glacier stub category. It would have seemed logical. That's my view.If you are willing to stub sort the New South Wales river stubs by county then I will not mind. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Ski areas and resorts stubs with template {{ski-resort-stub}}

An intersection scan gives 171 articles and Cat:Skiing stubs has already 249 articles. --Kslotte (talk) 21:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

support - with the proviso that the stubs are double-tagged with the appropriate geo-stubs (e.g., Elk Mountain Ski Area should be marked with both this and {{pennsylvania-geo-stub}}). Grutness...wha? 00:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, should take that in consideration once I processes them with AWB. --Kslotte (talk) 09:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Removing 'Speedy', doesn't seem to fill the criteria. Anyway, no hurry with this. --Kslotte (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I quick check that it exist articles that are stubs but not marked as stubs. I expect the amount of articles to increase once processed. --Kslotte (talk) 09:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Support Anything related to Piz Gloria my evil Swiss lair Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done Verification of articles about their status as stubs is still needed. Also double-tagging with the appropriate geo-stubs needs verification. --Kslotte (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Created {{ski-resort-stub}} with uppercase as first letter. Should lowercase be used when putting the template into articles? --Kslotte (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
In theory, it doesn't make any difference - the first letter of a template name is parsed as a capital whether it is one or not. In practice, it makes it easier for refinements later if common noun terms are left lower case; if we later need, say, a separate US-ski-resort-stub, then it will be a fraction less work to edit the articles if the "s" is already lower case. Grutness...wha? 01:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Is there any reason for put AWB to work on putting these to lowercase? I will probably get a bot account for AWB (auto save possible). --Kslotte (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Just checked the template and category - and was annoyed to notice that no-one pointed out the category name should have been singular. I've tidied up the wording of both template and category a little and moved the category to Cat:Ski area and resort stubs. Hope you don't mind... Grutness...wha? 01:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
NP, good work cleaning up small mistakes. It seems that I have been tired during the creation ;) --Kslotte (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:Karlovy Vary Region geography stubs and Cat:Liberec Region geography stubs

Should be now viable. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Add to that Cat:Olomouc Region geography stubs which also has upmerged template over 60 currentlysitting in Cat:Czech Republic geography stubs and you havea support. Waacstats (talk) 22:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Southern African Universities

There are 68 public universities in the Southern African Development Community (SADC) Most of these have their own wikipedia entryRdhenson (talk) 06:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

We have {{SouthAfrica-university-stub}} and other templates for countries outside of south africa. The convention is by country not institutional type. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

  • (after ec) Are these all in South Africa, or in southern Africa generally? If they're in southern Africa but not all in one country, then it makes more sense to have them in the continent-wide category (i.e., Cat:Africa university stubs),which - at 170-odd stubs, isn't really overfull. There'd be a very good case for upmerged country-specific templates, though (for example, {{Botswana-university-stub}} and {{Namibia-university-stub}}) all linking to the continent-wide category. If they're all in RSA, then there's already a single-country category for that. Grutness...wha? 10:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses. The universities I was referring to are the universities in the 15 different countries of the SADC, which does include South Africa, but also 14 other countries! The reason I had proposed a separate stub is that this would be in line with economic/political developments - the African Union, NEPAD support a regional approach to issues like higher education and the SADC is the local regional bloc. However I take the point that Wikipedia is not currently set up like that. I see that South African Universities are (the only) sub category of Africa University stubs - is Grutness above suggesting that {{Botswana-university-stub}} and {{Namibia-university-stub}})etc all be made sub categories in the same way as South Africa? It seems a good idea to me and I would be happy to try and do this for the 14 SADC countries, not quite sure how to do it, and whether I would need permission? Maybe some one can advise?Rdhenson (talk) 12:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd support the creation of the Botswana and Namibia templates as with any others for Africa, I wasn't sure whether we had any made yet. In some African countries there are a notable number of universities and colleges. If there are over 60 stubs for the SADC countries I'd support a creation Cat:Southern Africa university stubs using upmerged templates by country. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Note that the SADC region may not exactly coincide with what we use for Southern Africa - we'll need to check that. Grutness...wha? 00:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Forgive my ignorance - I am not quite sure what is meant by "upmerging templates"? From what I have seen most universities are linked to existing templates for their respective countries eg{{Botswana-university-stub}}{{Namibia-university-stub}} etc and many, but by no means all are also linked to {{Africa-university-stubs}}. Would "upmerging" the templates basically mean doing away with the individual country-university-stubs and replacing them with eg Southern Africa, East Africa, West Africa?Rdhenson (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Upmerging means creating templates for all the countries, but having them feed into more general categories until such time as there are enough for a separate dedicated category (60 per normal stub-sorting requirements). Where there are enough stubs for separate country-level categories, they can be separately proposed (and would almost certainly be speediable) - if there aren't enough, they'd remain upmerged. So, for example, {{Angola-university-stub}} would categorise articles into Cat:Angola stubs and either Cat:Africa university stubs or a new Cat:Southern Africa university stubs; if it ever has 60 stubs using it as a template, then a new Cat:Angola university stubs would be created. Grutness...wha? 02:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

See the proposals above. Maybe we should further it and create templates for the african and asian countries too? Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Taiwanese singer stubs

{{Taiwan-singer-stub}}, the number of stubs exceeded 60. - impactF= 22:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy support per numerous precedants. Waacstats (talk) 09:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

As above Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Pyrotechnics-stub}}

For diferentiation between {{Explosive-stub}} which is a child of chemisty. Intended for fireworks and pyro used primarily for entertainment. Almost 60 articles in fireworks cat alone.DJSparky (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC) Support -sounds reasonable. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Support template but I'm not convinced that there are 60+ stubs. Catscan shows only 32 articles smaller than 2048 bytes, so I would say hold off on category till there are definitly 60 stub articles. Waacstats (talk) 11:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Slovenia-writer-stub}}

Missing template Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Support, and support for any other missing nation-writer-stub's in that cat. Waacstats (talk) 07:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Libyan sportspeople stubs

4 upmerged templates give 60+ articles, but would leave the parent cat slightly undersized . Waacstats (talk) 20:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Depebnding on what you mean by "slightly" that shouldn't be a problem - after all, it will have a subcat... Grutness...wha? 07:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
"Slightly" undersized = 55 articles if i've done my sums right. Waacstats (talk) 07:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Westerb Australia rail stub

This article about rail transport in Western Australia is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
- there are already template for other states - western australia got left off and I have created a page and then realised I needed to come here - the australian generics are confusing ans should be moved to the relevant states - and the absence of western australia is odd and should be fixed - rail features in western australia are as numerous as any other state of Australia SatuSuro 12:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Support though the category needs renaming to Cat:Western Australia rail stubs. Waacstats (talk) 20:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Go for it Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Oregon geography stubs

The following two templates have passed 60 propose relevant cats. (these will take this off the oversized list and I still have a few counties to sort)

Waacstats (talk) 13:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC) Support. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:East Azarbaijan Province geography stubs

Just over 60. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

just wandering if this needs to be Cat:East Azerbaijan Province stubs to disambiguate from the East of the Azerbaijan. Waacstats (talk) 12:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Note the spelling is Azar not Azer. Province is probably advisable. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Just incase some one makes the same mistake as me I think we do need the Province (capital P to match other Iranian provinces). Waacstats (talk) 21:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Both the article East Azarbaijan Province and permcat use "Province", so we probably should here, too. (support, BTW). Grutness...wha? 01:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{earwig-stub}}

Many other orders of insects have stub templates, {{ant-stub}}, {{beetle-stub}}, {{butterfly-stub}}, {{damselfly-stub}}, {{dragonfly-stub}}, et cetera, and Category:Earwigs and its subcats are growing at a relatively-fast pace. It already contains about 150 pages, and a good percentage of those are stubs (about 140 of them). Seeing how it is generally appropriate to use alternatives to {{insect-stub}}, and how Category:Insect stubs is getting larger and larger, I think that {{earwig-stub}}, and the associated cat, Category:Earwig stubs, is a good idea. The general rule would be that every article in Category:Earwigs (and subcats) with the template {{insect-stub}} already in it should be given the {{earwig-stub}} template. Is there any support for this idea? The Earwig (Talk | Contribs) 01:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me - assuming you're right about the numbers. If there are fewer than 60, then I support the template as an upmerged type - but if there are the 140 you suggest then a category as well makes sense. Grutness...wha? 01:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Support per Grutness. Gosox5555 (talk) 02:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Support Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:Swedish castle stubs, Cat:Latvian castle stubs, Cat:Austrian castle stubs

All well over 60 Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

given that Cat:Castle stubs is over 1000 Support and if memory serves we have an outstsnding Cat:European castle stubs with upmerged templates on the to-do list. Waacstats (talk) 20:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Support Gosox5555 (talk) 02:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Aviation accident stubs

I ran AWB over the air disaster categories this weekend, and think I caught all of the articles that were double-stubbed with {{aviation-stub}} and {{disaster-stub}}. A cursory check reveals somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 marked {{aviation-accident-stub}}, which should be enough for a new category, no? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 15:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Cat:Aviation stubs needs a very good sort through and this looks like a good start to cutting it down. Waacstats (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
What sort of sort-through? Perhaps I can be of help with more AWB in the future? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 00:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Specifically, changing {{Aviation-stub}} to one of its subtypes wherever appropriate. At a quick glance, there seem to be numerous Aviation-bio-stubs, several aerospace-museum-stubs, and loads of aviation-term-stubs and aero-company-stubs in there, though I also support the initial nomination - there are a LOT of air accidents in there. Grutness...wha? 00:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
OK - one of these weekends I'll have a sort-through and see what I can fix up with AWB; I'm not sure I have the patience to do it manually. Already I see several airline articles double-stubbed with the aviation tag. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 13:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy {{Belgium-castle-stub}} and Cat:Belgian castle stubs

Well over 200 stubs. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Support as per precedants. Waacstats (talk) 20:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sellsumerism

I propose for a 'sellsumerism' stub to be created. It is a term used to describe the act of individuals becoming part time entrepreneurs and earning money through selling aspects of their daily lives. A 'sellsumer' earns money, for example, by renting out a parking space in their home driveway to a third party. The act is becoming more and more apparent during our global recession.

Please expand on this stub. --Christy Chung (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you are looking for article creation WP:AFC , this page is for templates and categories for stubs. Waacstats (talk) 20:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Healthcare

I believe a Healthcare stub needs to be created for several reasons. 1) The government is in the process of reforming our entire healthcare system. 2) The baby-boomer generation is getting older and older.

Several things here: 1) please sign your posts (use the tiled four times - i.e., ~~~~ to do this); 2) we already have a large range of existing stub types relating to healthcare; 3) which government?; 4) The age of the baby-boomer generation isn't really relevant - healthcare has existed for centuries - medicine is the third oldest profession. Grutness...wha? 23:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Communications satellite stubs / {{comsat-stub}} {{communications-satellite-stub}}

More than 90 stubs in Cat:spacecraft stubs, and probably a few in Cat:space stubs, with several being created most weeks. Proposed type is more specific, and will to some degree relieve pressure on Cat:spacecraft stubs. --GW… 09:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Support idea not to sure about the template name, there are a number of items lised on the disamig page Comsat. Waacstats (talk) 09:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that this is the only one listed on that page which is likely to require a stub category. The Asian committee doesn't seem to have any descendant articles (and if a stub template was needed COMSATS-stub would be more appropriate anyway), COMSAT has the possibility for a few descendants, but I am not currently aware of any stub categorisation by individual company. Anyway, most of the potential descendant articles are covered by corporation-stub and spacecraft-stub (the ones covered by spacecraft-stub are actually communications satellites, so would be covered by this proposal). If a stub were required for the band, it would use the full name, so that is not an issue, and again I don't think such a type is likely anyway. I don't think the UNIX feature even has its own article, let alone a requirement for a stub category. I'm fairly confident that communications satellites are the most common usage of "comsat" anyway. If there is still an issue then the name is associable, but I don't see any problems, and a shorter name would be preferable to a long one (the alternative would be Template:Communications-satellite-stub (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)). --GW… 10:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I must admit I wondered about the name myself. I think that - though it's a longer name - your suggested alternative is better. It also allows us to use the name satellite-stub as a basic naming element for other types if we need them for any reason. As for splits by company, the only place where I know of that being done is in entertainment, where we have things like BBC-stub. I doubt we;'d ever need to go that far for satellites - some other splitting axis like nationality might be a more logical split anyway. Grutness...wha? 23:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay. --GW… 11:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Support As above Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Support template under longer name and category under proposed name. Waacstats (talk) 20:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Five days, no objections. Created. --GW… 09:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Create medical biography templates by country

Looking through Category:Medical biography stubs I think we should create new templates for most of the major countries and upmerge until viable. I'm currnetly working o Turkish physicians and we could certainly do with a {{Turkey-med-bio-stub}} etc as I gather the convention is not Turkey-physician-stub Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:Sri Lankan politician stubs

Should be 60 stubs and counting. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy, oh it already has been. Waacstats (talk) 10:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:Hardy Boys novel stubs and {{HardyBoys-novel-stub}}

There are over 200 stubs. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Amazed i am. Support the stub type I do. Is a similar type likely to be needed for Nancy Drew anytime soon? Grutness...wha? 01:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I have no problems size wise but we normally don't allow stubs for books from a series/singles by a band etc and this may open new floodgates that are better left shut. PS Nancy Drew seems to have 52 stub articles. Waacstats (talk) 10:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Nancy Drew LOL. I used to read the Hardy Boys when I was about 10 or 11 and looking back I can't believe how straight laced those guys were at 17 or 18 LOL. The Hardy Boys were like the A-team, they were always the best at everything they did and could get out of any situation using the most improbable methods! Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC) I propose Template:NancyDrew-novel-stub then. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I propose a Young Adult Mystery Novel stub instead of this one. Gosox5555 (talk) 20:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposals, June 2009

[edit] Cat:Odd-toed ungulate stubs / {{oddtoedungulate-stub}}

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A search using CatScan suggests that there are 61 articles in Cat:Prehistoric mammal stubs that could also go in this category. Add a few from the parent category (Cat:Mammal stubs), including the Cat:Horse stubs category, and you should have around 65-70 pages under this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Support though I don't know that this would necessarily cut down the growing Cat:Prehistoric mammal stubs would it? Waacstats (talk) 10:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Speedy Cat:Ardabil geography stubs

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Create category for {{Ardabil-geo-stub}}. Over 200 stubs and counting. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Support speedy per massive precedant. Waacstats (talk) 10:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Cloud computing stub

Category:Cloud computing

i.e. Nivio. –xenotalk 14:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

"i.e."? There's no need for a separate template if that's the only stub. I take it you mean "e.g." though... We actually had discussions about a cloud-computing-stub in the past, but it was rejected because there were few stubs and for definitional reasons (see here). This came a few monts after an unproposed stub template for this was created and deleted at SFD (see here). If there are enough stubs that would clearly take this which aren't effectively covered by other stub types, it might be worthwhile ("enough" being 60 for a separate category), but I suspect there are still the same concerns as voiced in November. Grutness...wha? 00:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, forgive the brief and grammatically incorrect nomination, I've never been here before and was kindof rushed. No worries if we don't need this. –xenotalk 00:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, by now we might, so it was worthwhile suggesting. I must admit to knowing very little about the subject, though, so will leave discussion on whether it would be useful to others who know more. Grutness...wha? 00:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Missouri geography stubs

{{SaintLouisCityMO-geo-stub}} has more than 60 stubs so propose Cat:Saint Louis City, Missouri geography stubs or similarly named category, this will still leave the parent oversized so anyoneany idea on regions that we could use for splitting? Waacstats (talk) 09:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Map of Missouri highlighting Adair County.svg

Counties of Missouri most likely, although there seems to be a high number of counties. Mmm that's a tough one as it is obvious there won't be enough for each category. There are Regions of Missouri but these seme to be loose geographical areas rather than official administrative regions. Other than this all I can suggest is to decide upon boundaries oursevles and created cateogries such as Cat:Northern Missouri geography stubs .

I'd split the map of Missouri on the right into four, northern, southern, western and eastern Missouri geography stubs. Informal but would seme to solve the category splitting problem. Problem is that some counties may be both southern and western Missouri for example so it isn't hard to in down. By the looks of it maybe we should leave it. Its oversized but at least it isn't like 2000 or something. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I had just finished sorting to upmerged by county templates (see proposal some way below relating to 5 states, only 4 to go!). I think only a couple of counties are even halfway to threshold so it may well be awhile before anything else becomes viable. Waacstats (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we'd best just do Saint Louis for now then and leave it bloated. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{bloggers-stub}}

If this exists, I can't find it. It can be subcategorized into bloggers by nationality, subject, etc. I was trying to put an appropriate stub for Amit Agarwal and that was when I couldn't find one for bloggers. I was shocked! Postcard Cathy (talk) 21:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose We already have {{Internet-bio-stub}}, not to mention that we should not be encouraging articles about bloggers in my view anyway. I would however support Cat:Internet biography stubs Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Weak oppose. I agree, {{internet-bio-stub}} is certainly a good enough stub type to use at present. BTW, if we were to have a separate template, it would be at {{blogger-stub}}, not {{bloggers-stub}}. As for the separate category - if it reaches 60, then it's certainly be useful, but at the moment it's only used on 21 articles. Grutness...wha? 23:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bank stubs

I was quite surprised to discover that the most fine-grained stub type for British banks was {{Europe-bank-stub}}. Given the number of companies in Cat:United Kingdom company stubs is nosing towards 700, a UK-bank-stub template would make a lot of sense, upmerged at least. It would probably be worth splitting out a few of the other major nation-specific bank types, too. As such, I'd like to see the following (upmerged unless they reach 60) for starters:

Many of the rest have only a small handful of stubs, so doinbg every European nation might be overkill at the moment, but would make sense eventually. Grutness...wha? 01:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Support the major ones like this. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Support all of these. Not others, necessarily.

[edit] Cat:Taiwanese music stubs

Wow, I discovered most of the albums in Cat:Taiwanese albums are stubs. There are like 80 of stubs that I've found. Propose creation but would the name Cat:Taiwanese album stubs more fitting or Cat:Taiwanese music stubs? Thanks - impactF= 22:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy. Dr. Blofeld White cat 23:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Turkish company stubs

I've created {{Turkey-company-stub}} but I think there is over 60 stubs. I would also propose creating company templates for most major countries and merging them until appropriate. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I think most of the major countries already have templates if not cateogries. We could do with a Cat:Dutch company stubs given that the template is over 60, but not seeing any obvious gaps, though I would support any templates that we are missing. Waacstats (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll look into it tomorrow. Offhand I think there is a lot from the Middle East which haven;t got any templates. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Mexico geography stubs part 2

2 more upmerged templates have reached 60+ propose

Waacstats (talk) 13:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Again I'm the culprit! Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Norwegian sports venue stubs

Existing upmerged template with 60+ articles. Speedy! Waacstats (talk) 15:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Prehistoric carnivoran stubs/{{paleo-carnivora-stub}}

According to Cat Scan, this intersection (deep content of Category:Carnivores with Category:Prehistoric mammal stubs) comes out to 115. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

(Comment added after first support) Please note that Category:Carnivores already has a stub category (238 stubs) and Category:Prehistoric mammal stubs has 711 stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I support! Abyssal (talk) 14:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re-creation of {{Orienteering-org-stub}}/Cat:Orienteering organization stubs

Proposing re-creation of a organization stub for orienteering, with corresponding category named 'Orienteering organization stubs'. Articles that meats the stub criteria are 39 (32 federations and 7 clubs). The main reason is to reduce the amount of stub texts from two to three, see example Swiss Orienteering. The stub/category parents would be 'sport-org-stub' and 'Orienteering-stub'. See also discussion. Can this stub category be created even if the articles are only 39? --Kslotte (talk) 23:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

  • A template would be reasonable, but 32+7 is still well less than 60 - so it should still be an upmerged type (i.e., no separate category). The template alone would remove double-stubbing, by feeding into both parent stub categories. If you can find another 21 stubs, then I'd have no objection to a category, but 39 is pretty low. Grutness...wha? 00:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
    • PS- I reworded the header to reflect what you're actually asking about (and fixed the link to the discussion). Grutness...wha? 00:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • The amount of stubs is exactly 39. No more can be found for now. So, creating an upmerged type of stub is OK? Can I create it? Upmerged type sound like the best choose. --Kslotte (talk) 13:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Based in your earlier texts I assumed a template is OK. I created a draft. Is it OK? I will process the pages using AWB once accepted, or do you have any Bot that can do this? --Kslotte (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
      • My earlier texts by themselves indicate nothing other than my own opinion. As it says at the top of WP:WSS/P, the debate runs for several days before the template is made, just in case anyone spots problems with it. It certainly shouldn't be used for at least a couple more days yet. Once that debate period's over though, if there are no objections, the template you've made will work well - I've tweaked it slightly, but other than that it was fine. Grutness...wha? 00:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd support templates but not categories just yet. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

  • I often propose templates splitting out a handful of nationalities from a particular sport and I normally use 30ish existing stub articles as a benchmark or if enough countries already have templates/categories will propose finishing off the continent. In this case I see no reason not to have these templates assuming all those articels are stubs. Waacstats (talk) 15:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • If those counts are for stubs, I see no problem with them, but these appear to be the counts for articles overall. From the comments below, though, the numbers seem reasonable enough for upmerged templates. Grutness...wha? 00:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Conclusions ... --Kslotte (talk) 16:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


The complete breakdown of Orienteering biography can be found here. --Kslotte (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Verified the biography countries stubs: 30 Swiss, 30 Russian and 26 Czech. --Kslotte (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I'll support all the above templates given these figures. Waacstats (talk) 13:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done Final structure --Kslotte (talk) 19:16, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Stub structure for orienteering (keep discussions above this section)

The complete current structure of orienteering stubs:

Latest update: Grutness...wha? 00:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Note - I've just altered the names of two of the proposed templates - stub templates use the noun forms of country names, not the adjectives (adjectives can be confused with things like languages in a lot of stub types). Grutness...wha? 00:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Brazil

Cat:Brazil geography stubs id oversized again propse we finish the by state templates. So I believe that means

Waacstats (talk) 21:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Strong support - I thought we have these already? Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

We have some states but not all. Waacstats (talk) 13:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mecklenberg-Vorpommern

As with Brazil so with Mecklengerg-Vorpommen in Germany, we've started splitting by district so I think the following


[edit] Tamil Nadu

As above so Tamil NAdu is oversized and has a partial split, propse the following templates, categories following existing subcats iff template reaches 60.

Waacstats (talk) 21:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


[edit] {{isotope-stub}}

To identify stubs relating to isotopes. Would replace {{physics-stub}} and {{chemistry-stub}} found on isotope stubs, such as Beryllium-8. The relevant categories of Category:Isotopes would be affected. Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβς – WP Physics} 23:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Support, good plan. Waacstats (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Mexico geography stubs

Category is oversized, luckily four upmerged templates have passed 60 so I propose the following categories

note that the permenant category for Hidalgo is at Cat:Hidalgo while the article is at Hidalgo (state) so would be happy with either in the stub cdat. Waacstats (talk) 17:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC) Yep I'm responsible for all of these! I'm working my way through them. I forgor about these though. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Virginia, Missouri, Oregon and Pennsylvania and Washinton

Cat:Missouri geography stubs, Cat:Oregon geography stubs, Cat:Pennsylvania geography stubs, Cat:Virginia geography stubs and Cat:Washington geography stubsare at 842, 902, 853, 1098 and 818 articles respectivly. I propose upmerged county templates, category for any county over 60 then see if we need/want to sort into regions. (nb templates of the form countyname2letterstate i.e Ripley County, Missouri would have template {{RipleyMO-geo-stub}} as per usual for US states.Waacstats (talk) 09:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Central American struct and museum templates

Propose:

Anybody care to comment on my proposals? Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy support as I am sure these have already been passed. Waacstats (talk) 13:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{European-film-stub}} and Cat:European film stubs, and related

S2. I found a german film stub and there is no category for it. Alternatively I recommend there be a {{European-film-sub}} and Cat:European film stubs for any european countries not mentioned (And along that, the same for the other continents). - Floydian τ γ 07:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Floydian we have {{Germany-film-stub}} and Cat:German film stubs. Where appropriate I think it is better to create film templates by country. I'd support the creation of any missing film templates by European country and merge them intoa European category though until they become viable. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd have to agree. Splitting using the term "German" leaves it ambiiguous as to language or country of origin, and it's far easier to split films by country a lot of the time (there are plenty of multilingual films to cause real problems). I also support Dr B's suggestion of a catchall European category but with by-nation templates (as per the usual naming formats, i.e., the forms here). Grutness...wha? 01:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
The {{Germany-film-stubs}} isn't listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types/Culture#By_country. I will add it so that others do not come here proposing another german film stubs category. Perhaps just adding European film stubs, Asian film stubs, and North American film stubs onto the list will let people choose it when they can't find a specific country on the list. -- Floydian τ γ 01:45, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
There's a cat for European stubs at Category:European film stubs with either a sub-cat for more popular countries (including Germany), or templates for less popular countries that upmerge to the main cat (for example, Albania). The German stub is at {{Germany-film-stub}} and not {{Germany-film-stubs}} (I think all stubs have the suffix of stub rather than stubs). There is also the parent cat of the European stubs at Category:Film stubs by country which covers everything else. If you can't find a particualr film stub, please drop a note on my talkpage and I'll get back to you. Lugnuts (talk) 09:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Cat:Psychology stubs

Over 1000 articles. My gut feeling is that splitting by topic area is a good one, perhaps with the following templates for starters, plus separate categories for any which reach the 60-stub threshold:

and possibly one for sexuality-related psychology, name to be debated (just {{sex-psychology-stub}}, perhaps?) These would parallel the existing splits at Cat:Neuroscience stubs, Cat:Mental health stubs +c. Open to other ideas, but this seems a good series of options to start with. Grutness...wha? 02:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

PS - I've left a note on this at WP talk: Psychology. Grutness...wha? 02:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Support. Although some of them like "perception stub" seme a little offbeat. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, I got my MSc in psychology with perception as my specialist area. It's not that offbeat :) Grutness...wha? 01:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Air-disaster-stub}} and Cat:Aviation accident and incident stubs

Not sure about this one, as I haven't done an exact count; given the number of articles there, though, one would think it might be viable. Category title is along the lines of "Category:Aviation accidents and incidents" etc. What say you? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 17:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean {{Aviation-accident-stub}}? For the record, a similar discussion has been had before (see Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2009/February/4). There may be enough stubs for a category by now, though... BTW, Cat:Disaster stubs is a bit of a mess - a lot of its contents seem to be earthquake-doubles stubbed with both disaster-stub and earthquake-stub, even though the latter's cat is a subcat of Disaster stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Interestno, as my grandmother would say. I've never noticed that stub before - there's quite a few things double-stubbed that could use it, so perhaps I'll go on a fix-up spree ere long. Not sure if it's enough for a category yet, but I could be wrong. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 13:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:German museum stubs

Should be easily 60. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Cat:Oaxaca geography stubs and Cat:Veracruz geography stubs

560 odd stubs for Oaxaca, note that for Veracruz many articles are missing stub tags. It should easily be 60 +. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{India-food-stub}} and Cat:Indian food stubs

Would it be OK if I moved this stub template to {{India-cuisine-stub}} and have it record stubs to Cat:Indian cuisine stubs? This would be to bring their naming structure into line with the other national cuisine related stub templates and categories. This is part of a housekeeping move for the WP:Food project in regards to our naming guidelines. --Jeremy (blah blah) 08:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

can't see any problem with this, may be should have been at WP:SFD. Waacstats (talk) 12:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and moved this and changed the cat. --Jeremy (blah blah) 03:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The former category will still need deleting (either through SFD or speediably once empty). Grutness...wha? 01:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I have been watching it to see when it gets depopulated. I will {{speedy}} it once that has happened. --Jeremy (blah blah) 01:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Tokelau-bio-stub}} and Cat:Tokelau stubs

There is a Tokelau politician stub but not a general Tokelau bio stub yet. I accidentally created the Tokelau stub category today, but I'm unsure how to fix it and make it a working page. Scanlan (talk) 18:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

  • At my last tally there were only 25 stubs concerning Tokelau, which is why there was (deliberately) no category. Unless that number has blown out to over 60, that should still be the situation, so the category should be deleted and any templates connected with it upmerged. A bio-stub is probably a good idea, though - but it should be upmerged to Cat:Oceanian people stubs. Grutness...wha? 02:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Looks like it's climbed all the way to 26 stubs, so I've taken the category to SFD. Grutness...wha? 02:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

'old your 'orses Mr Grutness. I'll see what I can do. The category has been created now so may as well fill it! Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Good luck... but remember I keep an eye on the geos and country generics that haven't reached threshold (less so than I used to, I'll admit) - last time I checked there were no stubs in the Tokelau-specific or Oceania-specific permcats that could be marked with tokelau-stub that hadn't been tagged. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{FrenchPolynesia-bio-stub}}

Unlike most counties or territories, there is currently not a separate bio stub for French Polynesia. Scanlan (talk) 18:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Support. Sounds perfectly reasonable. Would be speediable, too (as would the Tokelau-bio-stub listed above, for that matter). Grutness...wha? 02:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Support. I thought we had been thrtough these and created them all. Waacstats (talk) 07:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{conservation-stub}}

Suggested text "This article about a Project or Organization involved in Conservation is a Stub"

  • I'm surprised there isn't one like this already Zarano (talk) 16:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Could be as sub types e.g. {{philanthropy-org-stub}}

Original proposal could be greatly improved but I was short on time Contributions/78.32.124.28 (talk) 20:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Examples: Save the Tiger Fund

  • A lot of those things would likely currently be double-stubbed with {{ecology-stub}} and {{org-stub}}. Perhaps {{ecology-org-stub}} would make sense, and would cover a slightly larger catchment of articles than a simple conservation-stub, perhaps? Grutness...wha? 02:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd support all templates but the category naming would need sorting, Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{chef-stub}}

This is a request regarding this new stub - Could we please make this follow the format of the other food and drink biographical stub formats of xxx-bio-stub and rename it {{chef-bio-stub}} before it gets deployed in any real capacity? --Jeremy (blah blah) 17:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't really see the need to rename it, but a redirect from chef-bio-stub is probably a good idea. We only usually use -bio- when the actual name of the occupation in the template is ambiguous (e.g., we have {{politician-stub}} and {{historian-stub}}, because politician and historian can only be occupations- and it's the same with chef). Grutness...wha? 23:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

No, I am asking that it follow the same naming standard we are already following in the WP:Food project for biographical stubs which is demonstrated in the two examples you have just listed. I am just looking for a single format so people don't get confused when tagging a food or drink related biographical stub.

Also, I would prefer that there be two different stubs for this subject since there are two different categories and they really are different occupations. The Cat:chefs has 39 articles and dozens of sub-cats and is assigned the {{chef-stub}} template, so the Cat:restaurateurs with two sub-cats and 126 articles should have its own Cat:restaurateur-stub template. The reason is that while they can sometimes be the same person they are often not.

Examples:

--Jeremy (blah blah) 09:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable Jeremy. Maybe you could sort it out and stub tag the articles appropriately see chefs by country I haven't got around to it yet. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the chef-stub template to {{chef-bio-stub}}, changed the articles that had them and will be speedy deleting the redirect. I will also will be creating the {{restaurateur-bio-stub}}. --Jeremy (blah blah) 01:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{food-stub}} and {{drink-stub}}

I recently turned up the drink-stub template which assigns articles to Cat:drink stubs. The problem is that food-stub assigns articles to Cat:Food and drink stubs. Would it be okay if I create a separate Cat:Food stubs group and edit the food-stub template so it only assigns articles to that group, thus eliminating the overlap? --Jeremy (blah blah) 11:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

sounds like a good idea. Waacstats (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good to me, too - but it's probably still worth keeping the old one as a parent of both. Grutness...wha? 23:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and done this. --Jeremy (blah blah) 08:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Japan-school-stub}} and Cat:Japanese school stubs

There are over 60 articles now using {{Japan-school-stub}}, so this is an S1 for creating the Category:Japanese school stubs. Almost all the articles in Category:Japanese education stubs are using {{Japan-school-stub}}. I was bold, though, and created the category already. It's likely there are more articles as I keep stumbling on orphan articles for schools in Japan. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

(nods). A Japan school cat makes perfect sense. Grutness...wha? 08:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC) (PS - thanks for communicating more with WP:WSS :)

[edit] Cat:Japan university stubs

There are over 850 articles in Category:Japan university stubs, but I'm unsure of how to break it down further. We could do it by location for some of them, perhaps. Ideas? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps {{Japan-tech-university-stub}} would be a good one as there are at least 45 articles with "Technology" in the title, plus another at least 15-20 universities and colleges which have a focus in that area. Another could be {{Japan-med-university-stub}} for medical colleges and universities as there are well over 60 of those. Another possibility is {{Japan-junior-college-stub}} for junior colleges as there are at least 60 of those. There are also a high number of private universities (at least 60), so {{Japan-private-university-stub}} may be good. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The only country that I am aware of having been split before is the US where we split by state so I would suggest going by location rather than by type. Waacstats (talk) 08:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree - location seems a more logical type of split than type of university, especially since so many universities have faculties of various types (it could well end up with a lot of multi-stubbing). We've split the US by state, as WS says, and I think that the UK is getting close to being split in the same way. Mind you, we have split out seminaries in the past and - I think - law schools, so by subject's not completely out of the question. Location would be my first choice, though. Grutness...wha? 08:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be some by subject. I'm most sure of {{Japan-med-university-stub}} and {{Japan-private-university-stub}}. My thoughts on regional splits are below. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Guys why don't you break them up by Region? Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I would support the creation of prefecture templates for all 47 of them and merge into region e.g Cat:Kyūshū university stubs. The categories should definately be by region. It just depends on how many we are likely to have eventually to decide whether or not to create templates by each prefecture rather than region. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

If we did that and had them dump into a by region category (unless they were large enough on their own), that would be fine. I was suggesting by type because I didn't think most prefectures would have enough to be created. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to make sure I get them all, I'[m going to list them here how they would be sorted according to the above.:
Category:Hokkaidō university stubs
  1. {{Hokkaidō-university-stub}}
Category:Tōhoku university stubs
  1. {{Akita-university-stub}}
  2. {{Aomori-university-stub}}
  3. {{Fukushima-university-stub}}
  4. {{Iwate-university-stub}}
  5. {{Miyagi-university-stub}}
  6. {{Yamagata-university-stub}}
Category:Kantō university stubs
  1. {{Gunma-university-stub}}
  2. {{Tochigi-university-stub}}
  3. {{Ibaraki-university-stub}}
  4. {{Saitama-university-stub}}
  5. {{Tokyo-university-stub}}
  6. {{Chiba-university-stub}}
  7. {{Kanagawa-university-stub}}
Category:Chūbu university stubs
  1. {{Aichi-university-stub}}
  2. {{Fukui-university-stub}}
  3. {{Gifu-university-stub}}
  4. {{Ishikawa-university-stub}}
  5. {{Nagano-university-stub}}
  6. {{Niigata-university-stub}}
  7. {{Shizuoka-university-stub}}
  8. {{Toyama-university-stub}}
  9. {{Yamanashi-university-stub}}
Category:Kansai university stubs
  1. {{Mie-university-stub}}
  2. {{Nara-university-stub}}
  3. {{Wakayama-university-stub}}
  4. {{Kyoto-university-stub}}
  5. {{Osaka-university-stub}}
  6. {{Hyōgo-university-stub}}
  7. {{Shiga-university-stub}}
Category:Chūgoku university stubs
  1. {{Hiroshima-university-stub}}
  2. {{Yamaguchi-university-stub}}
  3. {{Shimane-university-stub}}
  4. {{Tottori-university-stub}}
  5. {{Okayama-university-stub}}
Category:Shikoku university stubs
  1. {{Ehime-university-stub}}
  2. {{Kagawa-university-stub}}
  3. {{Kōchi-university-stub}}
  4. {{Tokushima-university-stub}}
Category:Kyūshū university stubs
  1. {{Fukuoka-university-stub}}
  2. {{Saga-university-stub}}
  3. {{Kumamoto-university-stub}}
  4. {{Nagasaki-university-stub}}
  5. {{Ōita-university-stub}}
  6. {{Kagoshima-university-stub}}
  7. {{Miyazaki-university-stub}}
  8. {{Okinawa-university-stub}}
Does that look good? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks good can't see any problems here. For the templates with Ō in it might be an idea to include a redirect from O, but that is not important. Waacstats (talk) 08:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I was planning on that as it is standard for any macronned item per WP:MOS-JA. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I've created them and am in the process of sorting. Got it down to 599 from over 800 (I think it was close to 850 or so). I'll work on it until it's sorted, and I may end up making Category:Tokyo university stubs as there are already over 20 and I've only done through the Js. The only other one which might end up having its own category, too, is Category:Osaka university stubs, but that one is not filling up nearly as quickly as Tokyo. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I created Category:Tokyo university stubs and have {{Tokyo-university-stub}} filling it. There are almost 100 articles in the cat right now. I'm getting closer to being done tagging everything by prefecture (only 222 to go!). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, these are all sorted. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{Chef-stub}} and Cat:Chef biography stubs

Am I missing something? Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Should it be chef-bio-stub? Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought this would have been in Cat:Food and drink biography stubs Waacstats (talk) 21:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd agree with Waacstats's suggestion, which has a slightly wider (and perhaps more useful) scope - as to "did I miss anything", you missed that it's now June :) Grutness...wha? 00:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I did spot that but thought I would save my fellow welshman some embaressment. Waacstats (talk) 08:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

LOL thanks! OK we'll keep the template but place it in Category:Food and drink biography stubs instead of a seperate one for chefs. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Request - Could we please make this follow the format of the other food and drink biographical stub formats of xxx-bio-stub and rename it {{chef-bio-stub}} before it gets deployed in any capacity? --Jeremy (blah blah) 10:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
See note on the proposal further up the page. Grutness...wha? 23:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Japan rail company

There are over 90 articles which would use {{Japan-rail-company-stub}} (I quit counting after that). They would be sorted into Category:Japanese rail company stubs, which would be a sub category of Category:Japanese rail stubs and Category:Japanese company stubs. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

support a sensible split, sure we've done it withat least one other country. Waacstats (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I've created these and started sorting. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, done sorting this one. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Japan rail line

There are over 150 articles which would use {{Japan-rail-line-stub}} (I quit counting after that). They would be sorted into Category:Japanese rail line stubs, which would be a sub category of Category:Japanese rail stubs. If we can push this through quickly, that would be good as I'm in a stub sorting mood and this was next on my list. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Can't remember doing this elsewhere but seems sensible so support. Waacstats (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I looked around for it elsewhere, but didn't find any other country with as many train line articles (and therefore train line stubs). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
It's probably a reasonable idea - I can't think of any better way of doing it, and Japan does have a lot of these by the looks of it. The UK and US may be about the only other two countries where this would make sense in the foreseeable future. Grutness...wha? 02:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I've created these and started sorting. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Done sorting this one, though now I'm thinking it may be good to split out ropeways and cablecars. I think putting them together would be good (one uses a cable underneath, the other above), and there are almost 70 of them in Category:Japanese rail line stubs. I think something like {{Japan-cable-line-stub}} feeding into Category:Japanese cable line stubs would be good. The wording in the stub tag can specify that it covers both ropeways and cablecars. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Any comments on this one (cable line stub)? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like a reasonable idea, though I'm not entirely convinced about the name. Can't think of a better one, though... Grutness...wha? 01:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I couldn't think of a better, concise-yet-very-descriptive name. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, this is all done and completed now. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. television stations

I believe that this is an S2. Completing pieces of the existing stub template and category structure. All proposals are for upmerged categories at this time, and would be populated via retagging articles in Category:United States television station stubs:

  1. New category — Category:Western United States television station stubs. Category:California television station stubs would be a sub-cat of this. The following new stubs would feed the new category directly:
  1. New category — Category:Northeastern United States television station stubs. The following new stubs would feed the new category directly:
  1. Additions to existing category — Category:Southern United States television station stubs. Move Category:Texas television station stubs to become a sub-category of this. The following new stubs would feed the new category directly:

These new categories and stubs would also complement the existing Category:Midwestern United States television station stubs, and the state-by-state templates underneath it. Mlaffs (talk) 00:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Have meant to get round to that one myself at some point so support. Waacstats (talk) 21:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Meant to say would also support categories for any of these that reach 60, named along the lines of the Californian cat (just to save anyone coming back with a few categories to propose). Waacstats (talk) 12:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Can't find a reference anywhere to how "speedy" "speedy creation" is supposed to be. So, I've been bold. The first set of categories and templates - for the Western U.S. - has all been created. Mlaffs (talk) 05:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
All proposed categories and stubs now created, including {{Oregon-tv-station-stub}}, which I missed somehow in the initial request. Listing of all stubs has been updated, as well. Mlaffs (talk) 19:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sports

A number of templates have reached 60+ and require categories I propose the following categories

unfortunatly this would also mean the renaming of 5 categories

Are people happy to deal with these together or would they prefer the renamings split to SFD. Waacstats (talk) 13:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Visual novels

Over two years ago, the {{visual-novel-stub}} template was created, but instead of using Category:Visual novel stubs, it was decided here that Category:Anime game stubs would suffice. However, there was a recent discussion at WP:VN at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Visual novels#Discussion to rename a template on the fact that anime games (which redirects to List of video games based on anime or manga) have never been apart of the scope of the visual novels task force under WP:VG, so we needed to change some things. The Category:Anime game stubs itself states This category is for stub articles relating to anime games. As it is, the term "anime games" has become a misnomer for classifying what visual novels and dating sims are, and I am here now to remove the misnomer by proposing the creation of the category:

as {{visual-novel-stub}} is already in use. I would further like to clarify that a visual novel and dating sim are also not the same thing, and it's also a common misnomer to interchange the two, which is why we have the two separate categories Category:Visual novels and Category:Dating sims. However, since dating sims are similar in gameplay to visual novels, dating sims are under the scope of WP:VN, and we have a related template {{Dating sims and visual novels}} as well (which was also just moved from {{Anime games}} in an effort to remove the misnomer). Now, while I'd also like to propose the creation of {{dating-sim-stub}} and its related category Category:Dating sim stubs, there are not enough articles in Category:Dating sims to constitute this, but there are many stubs in Category:Visual novels which would benefit from the creation of Category:Visual novel stubs, along with finally removing the "anime games" misnomer.--十八 20:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

  • {{Visual-novel-stub}} is only used on 39 stubs, which is well below threshold. This really isn't used enough for its own category at the moment. If you can find a further 21 visual novel stubs and mark them, I'm sure there'd be no objection to a Cat:Visual novel stubs. The other option might be to find 21 stubs that could use {{Dating-sim-stub}}. If so, perhaps a combined stub category would be an appropriate compromise until such time as each has enough stubs for its own stub category, given that - as you say - they are different but the terms are often used interchangeably. Personally, I'd think the former way would be better - so i've started to hunt for a few more stubs for it myself. If it reaches 60... Grutness...wha? 01:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
    • It's up to 48 stubs now, so we're getting there... BTW - please DON'T change a stub template to point to a non-existent category! If there are as many stubs as it looks like there might be, a new category will be made soon enough. untiol then, editors still have to be able to find the stubs - which they won't be able to do if the template points to a nonexistent category. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
      • OK - it's at 60 stubs now, so support. Grutness...wha? 02:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
  • UPmerged template with 60+ articles - support. Waacstats (talk) 07:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Looks speediable from here, so I've speedied it. Grutness...wha? 01:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Creation of a Emergency Services of Boone County, Mo stub

I have already created three articles regarding emergency services in Boone County, Mo: Boone County Fire Protection District Columbia Fire Department and The Public Service Joint Communications Center and would like to have them all grouped together. Future articles will all concern law, fire, and ambulance services in Boone County, Mo.

User:BCFDFF (talk) 14:02, 7 June 2009 (CMT)

  • Oppose. That's not the purpose of stub types. If you want to group them together, put them in a permanent category. We don't even have a stub type for emergency services in the United States as a whole, let alone splitting by individual counties in each state. Grutness...wha? 01:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Oppose given the fact I just destubbed 2 of the articles. Waacstats (talk) 12:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] futher split of Cat:Middlesex County, Massachusetts Registered Historic Place stubs

Three more templates have got beyond 60 so speedy the following categories

Waacstats (talk) 10:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reorganisation of Disease stub categories

I propose that new categories are created based on the chapters within the ICD-10 disease classification. In other words, the addition of the following categories:

As part of the reorganisation, the contents of the current categories Cat:Dermatology stubs, Cat:Immunology stubs and Cat:Oncology stubs would need looking at and possibly double categorising. I would prefer to subsume Cat:Genetic disorder stubs into the proposed Congenital malformation category however am happy to receive guidance. I would also like to see the two current categories Cat:Symptom stubs and Cat:Medical sign stubs brought back together as Cat:Symptoms, signs and abnormal clinical and laboratory findings stubs but I am aware that there was considerable discussion in the past to cause them to be separate - I also can't work out a good grammatical name for such a category(!). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea of a category that has needed splitting for a long time. I would suggest the following templates first and categories for those that reach 60 articles

Waacstats (talk) 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

A couple of these templates need to be expressed as disorder rather than disease. {{Mental-disorder-stub}}, {{Perinatal-disorder-stub}} and {{Congenital-malformation-stub}}. This is because most conditions that are classified to these categories are not the result of a disease process. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I favor the term "condition" over "disease" or "disorder," and would prefer at least the dermatology-related stub category and template to use such terminology, perhaps Cat:Cutaneous condition stubs and {{Cutaneous-condition-stub}}? Regardless, thank you for your work on this! ---kilbad (talk) 12:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I've used the term "disease" because (a) the stub category is Cat:Disease stubs and (b) of basing this proposal on the International Classification of Diseases. Chapter 12 is called "Diseases of the skin and subcutaneous tissue". I'm more than happy to take guidance on appropriate names for categories and templates. I just want to be sure that it will be usable by editors seeking to improve the articles. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Is this supposed to replace the relatively simple current system, in which things are simply tagged as being a disease, without specifying the type? Kilbad, have you done any stub sorting? Having dozens of very specific tags make the process much more cumbersome, and therefore much less likely that anyone will actually do it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Stub categories are there for people to be able to find articles to work on, does having a category of 1200 articles assist this, in my opinion not and breaking down the category will I believe help in getting the number of stub articles down. I don't think anyone is suggesting getting rid of disease-stub so that will still be there to be used and people with expertise in eye diseases can more easily find what they are looking for. Waacstats (talk) 07:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I am willing to do the stub sorting for this category - this is my area of expertise as a clinical coder. And, yes, I'm fully aware of what it means having stub sorted the Birds at the beginning of the year. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
The ones with "system" as part of their names should use a lower-case "s" (e.g., {{Circulatorysystem-disease-stub}} - Circulatory System is not a proper noun in this context, and the article is at Circulatory system (what's more, Circulatory System is a band!)). Alternatively, they could simply be at {{Circulatory-disease-stub}}, {{Neural-disease-stub}} (maybe? expert advice needed on that one...), and {{Respiratory-disease-stub}} without making them too ambiguous, I would think. Other than that, I don't know enough about this to suggest a better way of splitting it, and BWC sounds like (s)he knows what (s)he is talking about, so support, but with all the caveats that my previous comments suggests. Grutness...wha? 08:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
One of these days I'll remember when to use CamelCaps and when not. Waacstats (talk) 13:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reorganisation of Pharmacology stub categories

With there being 2823 stubs articles in the main category as I write this with some apparently random subcategories, I propose a complete reorganisation based on the reorganisation that has occurred recently for Category:Drugs by target organ system. The reorganisation is based on the Anatomical Therapeutic Chemical Classification System, which is a World Health Organization adopted classification. Obviously with !voting still happening for levels 3 and 4 of this reorganisation (at WT:PHARM:CAT), I can only propose that the stub categories follow the levels 1 and 2 at this stage. However, I think that doing so would at least give us a better idea of which level 2 categories needed further division. I doubt that many level 4 categories would be required for stubs. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I think a split at level 1 should clear this category for now but would like to see sugested names for categories and templates before offering full support.Waacstats (talk) 19:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, herewith suggested names for level 1:

The current stub subcategories need to be moved to the appropriate place with the above level 1 cats or deprecated where they don't match the ATC. For example, Cat:Antimicrobial stubs should be a subcategory of Cat:Anti-infective agent stubs with Cat:Antibiotic stubs as a sub-subcategory. Whereas Cat:Psychoactive drug stubs should be deprecated as it falls across multiple categories of the ATC. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest dropping some of the hyphens and using CamelCaps to comply with normal stub usage on AntiInfective, CardiovascularSystem, GastrointestinalSystem, GenitoUrinarySystem, SystemicHormonal, MusculoskeletalSystem, RespiratorySystem. Also any chance of using -drug- on all of them or is the above suggestion normal usage. Also any reason why on disease the cat would be Genitourinary and here it s Genito-urinary? Waacstats (talk) 10:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I didn't use -drug- on the anti-infective agent and systemic hormonal preparation categories because the ATC uses these terms. And these are the titles of the non-stub categories. This is in part because not all pharmacological agents are drugs in the strictest sense. With respect to the Genito-urinary vs Genitourinary: I hadn't noticed that. The two classifications actually spell them differently even though they have the same publisher (WHO). The stub category for anatomy is without the hyphen and the hyphenated version for the articles are redirects to the unhyphenated version, so I guess for consistency this should also be Genitourinary. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
They wouldn't use camelcaps, BTW - thats only if the words would normally have capitals (e.g., NewYork-geo-stub). These would simply be {{Respiratorysystem-...}} and the like - though see also my suggestion for the "system" ones in the section above. Grutness...wha? 08:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Chakwal district geography stubs

The first district template in the punjab reaches 60. Category as in title? Waacstats (talk) 15:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Presumably as in title, as long as (a) there aren't any other places with the same name to disambiguate between, and (b) previous Indian splits have used a lower case "d" (ISTR they have). If these points are fine, then, support. Grutness...wha? 08:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
answers: a-The articles for each district (and for that matter city) have no notice about other city/region/etc of same name and i can find no disambig page for them. b-indian districts do use lower case "d". So I'll get onto it - should get another cat off the oversize list. Waacstats (talk) 12:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] NRHP-stubs

Someones been busy with these so I propose the following categories based on the already existing templates having already reached 60

and based on the fact that 58 is close enough - especially as it would be the last state in the South with out a category

Waacstats (talk) 10:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Maryland Registered Historic Place stubs

I did say someone has been busy (1323 articles) I propose splitting by county (as per Massachusetts). Templates of the form {{AlleganyMD-NRHP-stub}} with categories for any that pass 60 being of the form Cat:Allegany County, Maryland Registered Historic Place stubs using BaltimoreCity and BaltimoreCounty to distinguish these two. Waacstats (talk) 10:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] split of Cat:Middlesex County, Massachusetts Registered Historic Place stubs

Busy - this is madness. The upmerged templates for Arlington, Stoneham and Winchester areupto 60 articles propose the following

Waacstats (talk) 11:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

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