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December 21 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

Seed of Andromeda[edit]

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I declined a speedy delete for this article because non-web-based games are not eligible for A7, and I believe this not a web-based game. That said, the game is probably insufficiently notable to meet our guidelines, so I'm nominating it. Full disclosure: I have not done much WP:BEFORE and I'm fairly unfamiliar with computer video games. I'll leave it to a hopefully more enlightened community to decide. Bbb23 (talk) 16:01, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Can't find anything reliable about it. It appears to be another Minecraft ripoff of no notability. JTdaleTalk~ 19:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

December 20 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

San Trigo, Bastilion (fictional)[edit]

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Unremarkable Minecraft "city" with no evidence of reliable source coverage, and, in fact, little evidence of any coverage beyond Wikipedia mirrors. Everymorning talk 23:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete There is no coverage from reliable sources, so this article fails notability requirements. I couldn't even find a YouTube video or fan website that proves that this Minecraft city actually exists. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:21, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. No hits in a WP:VG/RS Google custom search. This sort of comprehensive fan page belongs on Wikia, where issues of notability and verifiability are not issues. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:10, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Nyu Media[edit]

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The sources need checking if independent of the press releases - per spirit of WP:GNG / WP:RS . Churnalism should be avoided or excluded. If publishers being deemed RS is at odds with individual RS used in the article being independent, the wider consensus of GNG overrides WP:LOCALCONSENSUS of projects deeming them vetted. The first source I checked with duplicate detector indicates it is close paraphrasing of the PR, so is not independent. (I recognise churnalism is not PR, but for notability it should be considered) Widefox; talk 22:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Duplication detector analysis of checking press releases matches to the sources at Talk:Nyu Media#Restore : [1]
    • "Total match candidates found: 214
    • "Matching phrases found: 16" Widefox; talk 01:27, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Lastly, tangential to AfD, see Talk:Nyu Media#Timeline for my larger promo concern that we're dropping the ball here Widefox; talk 01:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep. The last AfD closed as "no consensus" less than a week ago. The close rationale was not a carte blanche to renominate as soon as the article expanded. To the point, this article topic has significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources, as demonstrated by its current sourcing:
Estrada, Marcus (May 29, 2014). "Nyu Media Brings 4 Doujin Titles to Greenlight". Hardcore Gamer. Retrieved December 17, 2014. 
Estrada, Marcus (January 22, 2014). "Side-Scrolling Shooter Gigantic Army Coming on February 5th". Hardcore Gamer. Retrieved December 17, 2014. 
Polson, John (November 19, 2011). "Nyu Media Localizing Six Japanese Indie Games". IndieGames.com. UBM Tech. Retrieved December 17, 2014. 
Cowan, Danny (December 13, 2011). "Nyu Media, Capcom To Publish Localized Doujin PC Games Starting This Month". IndieGames.com. UBM Tech. Retrieved December 17, 2014. 
Cowan, Danny (August 9, 2012). "Nyu Media Reveals Second Wave Of Localized Doujin PC Games". IndieGames.com. UBM Tech. Retrieved December 17, 2014. 
McWhertor, Michael (September 10, 2013). "Crowdfunded fighting game Yatagarasu having its money held by PayPal". Polygon. Vox Media. Retrieved December 18, 2014. 
Sarkar, Samit (September 13, 2013). "PayPal 'overhauling' policies regarding crowdfunding". Polygon. Vox Media. Retrieved December 18, 2014. 
McElroy, Griffin (September 10, 2013). "Yatagarasu Attack on Cataclysm dev's funds unfrozen by PayPal". Polygon. Vox Media. Retrieved December 18, 2014. 
Ishaan (June 16, 2012). "MangaGamer Selling Nyu Media Doujin Titles On Their Website". Siliconera. Retrieved December 18, 2014. 
Ishaan (November 27, 2011). "New Doujin Publisher, Nyu Media, Publishing Japanese Indie Games". Siliconera. Retrieved December 18, 2014. 
Lada, Jenni (September 25, 2014). "Nyu Media releases The Sacred Tears TRUE JRPG". TechnologyTell. Retrieved December 18, 2014. 
Each of these sources has been vetted by the video games WikiProject at WP:VG/RS, and the individual articles discuss the actions of the company in detail. There is additional coverage for each of their actual games, which individually do not qualify for their own articles. The article that you noted for being similar to a press release (although still published at the discretion of a source with a reputation for accuracy and fact-checking) has been covered by other outlets too. Happy to use their version if you'd prefer. You can find them and others with a simple search of the VGRS custom Google search linked from the page. You're welcome to deride this style of reporting with a pejorative such as "churnalism"—I'm not lauding it myself—but as long as the reporter is not affiliated with the subject and they are not recycling press releases wholesale (without editorial control), they are considered independent by WP standards. czar  23:30, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Article has successfully been recreated with the sources, satisfying the closing remark "without prejudice towards renomination after improvements/expansion based on the sources unearthed in the AfD"
  • Timing wise, this does feel accelerated
  • Per WP:AFD you're meant to disclose being the creator
  • I was hoping the discussion would move forward to evaluate the quality of the sources more objectively, use of "churnalism" I believe is the correct term for sources paraphrasing press releases. Whether they are deemed RS or not may be subjective, something that we can decide and reason here objectively or qualitatively, hopefully without pejorative terms, I agree.
    • Acknowledge the sources have been vetted by VG/RS as a RS publisher. Needn't mention it again, as I got that the first AfD. All good. That is only one of the three meanings of source at WP:RS, and my nom is about "source" as the "the piece of work itself" not publisher.
      • My duplication detector analysis Talk:Nyu Media#Restore drives a coach through the argument that the vetted sources are automatically 100% independent (and does question fact checking, yes) as the first source I checked is close paraphrasing, so I considered it prudent to gather further opinions addressing my nom rational, which I hope is an improvement on the more subjective assessment of sources which polarised the previous AfD.
Based on that, I can understand editors who wish to detail vetted WP:VG/RS publishers and be done, quite understandably, but that doesn't address the concerns of this nom about "piece of work itself" per WP:RS. Widefox; talk 01:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I have nothing to add. czar  01:36, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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December 19 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

Remigiusz Maciaszek[edit]

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My original prod stated "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement." Deprodded by creator after the following expansion: [2]. I still think it fails, per WP:NOTNEWS: passing coverage in sources of poor reliability and few seconds of spotlight on tv is not enough, IMHO. Nor is a game box mention sufficient. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:22, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Patryk Rojewski[edit]

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My original prod stated "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement." Deprodded by creator after the following expansion: [3]. I still think it fails, per WP:NOTNEWS: passing coverage in sources of poor reliability and few seconds of spotlight on tv is not enough, IMHO. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:23, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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December 18 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

Oxygine[edit]

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No evidence of notability SpinningSpark 18:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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December 16 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

Tim and Chris Stamper[edit]

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Article appears to have been rescued from a previous AfD in 2007. ([4]) I'm not sure exactly what to do with this article, but as a BLP (albeit for two people) it needs to be sourced. There are sources out there that mention them, but a lot of them seem to be fansites or articles where the main focus is on Rare (eg: The Independent). From my understanding of the pair, going from their days as hardware arcade developers, though to Ultimate, then Rare, they seem to have deliberately avoided any sense of notability in preference to just "getting on with the job" and producing quality products, so I think they qualify as "low profile individuals" mentioned in WP:BIO1E. The article could be redirected to Rare Ltd, their best known company, but I'm not sure anyone is going to type in "Tim and Chris Stamper" into a search. Either one of them I could argue a redirect, but not both. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to Rare Ltd. Additionally, create "Tim Stamper" and "Chris Stamper" redirects to the same target, as they are probably more likely search terms. Sergecross73 msg me 13:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Redirect I see Rare Ltd as a reasonable target.--69.157.253.160 (talk) 22:26, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

December 14 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

Cdv Software Entertainment[edit]

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Stub about a video game publisher. No assertion of notability and no attempt to provide evidence thereof. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment This was one of the two German game publishers listed on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. The business model was publishing PC games developed by third parties. It was successful in the 1990s, but began to lose money and lay off workers around 2005. Went bankrupt in 2011. There is a list of games published here and a detailed history of its activies on the stock exchange here (both in German), and a detailed history of the company on the German Wikipedia. Notability on en Wiki would probably be as the publisher of games with articles. Someone has deleted the list of those games, and the current links are all dead. But if someone wants to recreate the article there is enough material in German. – Margin1522 (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep. Published a few notable games in North America, including Sacred 2: Fallen Angel, which got a bit of coverage: for example, this article from IGN and this announcement from VG247. Their financial troubles also got coverage from VG247. Other brief articles [5], [6], [7], [8]. And here's a bit of an in-depth look: [9]. More available in a WP:VG/RS Google custom search. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
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December 12 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

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The result was keep. NorthAmerica1000 23:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Army of Two (series)[edit]

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I feel like this doesn't qualify to have it's own page. Each game has it's own page and I don't see the point of having this as a "series" page. LADY LOTUSTALK 14:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete Weak Keep There are at least a couple of articles about the series as a whole ([10], [11]) but nothing that couldn't be covered in individual games' articles. Three games doth not a series make. Sam Walton (talk) 01:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I hate to "other stuff" but there's a LOT of three game series articles, and even some two game series. This one is definitely in poor shape, but AFD isn't cleanup. I'd say that some of the content of the game articles could be moved to series, for example, the first game's article mentions a graphic novel and film that aren't directly part of the game itself. I also see there's a comic series from IDW[12]. A series article often is used to tie all these disparate items together. I'm not saying it should survive AFD, per say, just picking a few details out. -- ferret (talk) 02:42, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I have to agree. I may be in favor of deleting these articles when there's only 2 games, or one title and an announced sequel...but three like this is definitely forming into a series. Seems like it could just be fixed up... Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I'm slightly swayed after seeing the comic series, and I found that there's a possible movie in the works too. As such I'm a weak keep for now, a series article isn't hurting anyone I guess. Sam Walton (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep - per WP:NOTCLEANUP. With three game titles, and further media ventures as well, there's enough here for an article. Someone just needs to do a way better job at it... Sergecross73 msg me 19:53, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep - Per my comments above ans Sergecross. -- ferret (talk) 20:55, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
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December 10 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

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The result was Nomination Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Dusti*Let's talk!* 04:49, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Dontnod Entertainment[edit]

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Article is a recreation of one previously deleted via PROD. Subject fails WP:CORP and WP:GNG. Coverage is of the purely routine and trivial sort, mostly short blurbs from an online gaming news site. Some of the cited sources deal more or less exclusively with the two games produced by the company that garnered any reviews (mixed). A Google did not yield anything that rings the Notability bell. The bottom line: It's a company, one of millions, with no credible claim to encyclopedic notability. Ad Orientem (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep per the following sources: [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18] and a little here [19]. Sam Walton (talk) 00:00, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Added these sources/content to the article. Sam Walton (talk) 00:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep per Sam Walton's sources, which are reliable, discuss the subject in detail, and yes, address the company itself, not just the games it makes. Sergecross73 msg me 21:28, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Withdrawing AfD nom based on added sources. HT: Sam Walton. Suggest speedy close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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December 9 (AfD, CfD, TfD, MfD)

Szymon Kasprzyk[edit]

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He appears to have a lot of YouTube subscribers, but there's no inherent notability in that if he does not have significant coverage from reliable sources. I can't find the coverage to meet WP:GNG. Perhaps there are some Polish language sources that someone may be able to find. Tchaliburton (talk) 23:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

gazetasredzka.pl/aktualnosci/isamuxpompa-ma-190-tys-widzow-sredzianin-zdobywa-widzow,a23974cPeter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 23:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't know enough about this site to say if it's a reliable source of info. Maybe someone can offer some insight. We'll need more than one reference, but this may be a start. Tchaliburton (talk) 23:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Gazeta Średzka is the local newspaper for the Środa Wielkopolska County. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 23:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
More:
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  • Comment - I don't believe any of those above would be considered reliable sources. See reliable sources to see what one is like conceptually, or WP:VG/S for a list of commonly acceptable/unacceptable sources for video game articles. Sergecross73 msg me 14:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, see the current state of Szymon Kasprzyk#Career. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 15:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Youtube videos are not the way to establish notability. See my links above. You want articles that discuss the article's subject with significant detail. See WP:GNG for more information. Sergecross73 msg me 15:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
gazetasredzka.pl/aktualnosci/isamuxpompa-ma-190-tys-widzow-sredzianin-zdobywa-widzow,a23974c this does discuss article's subject with significant detail. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 16:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I cannot read that, so you'll have to tell me yourself if it meets WP:RS criteria. Is this a website with a long history of fact checking, editorial oversight, and established staff with credentials as writers? Or is this random content blogged by any old random person, for starters. Sergecross73 msg me 16:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Gazeta Średzka can be translated to 'Newspaper of Środa Wielkopolska'. It is a local newspaper. According to Polish Wikipedia, it has been released since 1995. Here's a photography of the printed version of Gazeta Średzka: www.wojtektattoo.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/press002.jpg. I am not the author of it. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 16:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── According to WorldCat, Gazeta Średzka (pl) has an ISSN (1425-4034) and is in the holdings of the Polish National Library. The claim in the article is that "Today [it] is the top 40 most visited channels on YouTube" ("Dzisiaj jest w TOP 40 najchętniej odwiedzanych kanałów na YouTubie") that is verified by YouTube Top 100 Most Subscribed Poland Channels List and has risen to 20th. Nevertheless, Kasprzyk is not found in the Polish Wikipedia. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment While WP@en is not limited to resources in English, topics with no coverage in English-language sources seem outside the scope. I don't understand why it isn't sufficient to have this article in the Polish language WP. LaMona (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment I disagree that the scope of en.wikipedia is defined by reliable English language RSes. The guideline that is applicable here is WP:N. The question is whether this topic meets GNG. There does seem to be evidence that some borderline RSes (local papers) exist. But if the only coverage these papers give to Kasprzyk is his placement as #27 in a list of top 100 Polish YouTubers then that can't confer notability. The Gazeta Średzka source may be acceptable as an RS and it does look like it does give the topic significant coverage. But we need "reliable sources" in the plural to confer notability - that's a minimum of 2 RSes that cover the topic in depth. And even with 2 we're on very shaky ground because if there is no way the article can ever progress past stub-class then it's usually a better idea to merge it with a more appropriate parent topic. -Thibbs (talk) 18:27, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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  • Weak delete. "the local newspaper for the Środa Wielkopolska County" is about as minor as you can get when it comes to mainstream-type press. Seeing as this is the only reliable source on the subject, it's pretty clear he fails the "Significant coverage" requirements. A short entry in a very, very local newspaper is not "Significant coverage". PS. This article was speedy deleted from pl wiki without even an AfD, as an admin just tagged it as "unencyclopedic" ([20])--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Nemexia (game)[edit]

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Unreferenced. The game claims to have more than 2 million players, but this is not backed up by any source. A Google search suggests some popularity, particularly in Europe, but I failed to find enough significant or reliable coverage. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 17:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

- It doesn't said 2 million players, it said 2 million registrations for 5 years period but I've removed it because this is internal data and as you said there are no public sources that can back it up - C.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colonel.daniel (talkcontribs) 07:48, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete - Software (game) article of unclear notability, lacking independent refs. A search turned up a few incidental mentions and one blog review but no significant RS coverage.Dialectric (talk) 15:28, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. Gets lots of German and Polish hits in a WP:VG/RS custom Google search. Dunno if they're useable. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep - Per WP:GNG there's no limitation that notability can only be conferred by English-speaking journalists, and there appears to be sufficient coverage in the non-English RSes: Several in-depth articles on different games in the series at the Polish GameZilla, coverage from Gry-online (1), and a review score from Click.pl. It looks like Gamestar.de is pretty short on coverage but it might be usable for release details (date of release, director, developer, etc.), and there are at least two decent articles at the Japanese 4gamer.net. -Thibbs (talk) 23:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
@Colonel.daniel: - Can you read Polish sources? If so I would be happy to show you how to use reliable sources to properly source articles which is the only way to ensure that they are not deleted. You can leave a note at my talk page if you like. -Thibbs (talk) 23:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
The sources don't have to be added to the article. It's definitely a good idea, but WP:NRV only requires that they exist. It would be helpful if we could get a Polish speaker to translate the articles, though. I don't really trust machine translations. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 09:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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Large Animal Games[edit]

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Clearly fails WP:CORP. Entirely non notable online game company. All sources are primary or non reliable, such as Facebook, etc. Promotional, but not to the point of being eligible for CSD G11. Article was deleted once at AfD for notability, but given both that the original AfD was eight years ago and that this current incarnation has existed since 2007, I feel CSD G4 is inappropriate as well. Safiel (talk) 04:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment: It looks like there was a play by the same name by Steve Yockey, so there will be some false positives for that. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. It looks like there were some reviews for their Color Zen game and its spinoff Color Zen Kids, enough to where they have a Metacritic score for each one. There are some articles here and there like this article and this one, but by large most of the focus is on Color Zen. There's just enough here to where I'd argue for a weak keep as an overall article about the company as opposed to just creating an article for the game Color Zen itself, although I do want to note that I don't think that there should be a separate article for the game. This is kind of a "one or the other" type of situation. I also want to note that I deleted a lot of information on the article that was fairly promotional and looked like it'd probably be copyvio from one place or another. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. While the concerns about the COI/paid editing that lead to article creation can be easily resolved through promo-cleanup, there are legitimate arguments both for deletion and keeping, due to different weight attributed to sources and analysis against WP:CORPDEPTH. Czar and Satellizer have found more than enough sources to cement their argument, and are experienced with VG-AfDs, so their opinion to keep seems very strong, but it would be irresponsible for me to dismiss Widefox/DGG's argument that the sources presented lack the depth necessary for the subject to be notable. So I am closing as no consensus for now, without prejudice towards renomination after improvements/expansion based on the sources unearthed in the AfD if the subject's notability is still in question then. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  18:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Nyu Media[edit]

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sources are primary or product announcements. Fall short of WP:CORPDEPTH (created by serial SPAMMER, promo only account) Widefox; talk 12:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep, I created this article for a client on Elance.com who wanted his own legitimate article on Wikipedia. By the way, I am not a serial spammer, I was the doing the same for the links which were removed from articles on other pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TORR (talkcontribs) 15:08, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Firstly you have not disclosed your paid editing anywhere until now. That is against our Terms of Use. Secondly, being paid to write the article has no bearing on the lack of notability. Widefox; talk 15:12, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Which of those doesn't fall foul of WP:CORPDEPTH ? Technology Tell Capsule ComputersHardcore Gamer do for instance (regular product announcement). Widefox; talk 11:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
As per CORPDEPTH itself, "if the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple[1] independent sources should be cited to establish notability." There's multiple independent sources here. BTW, the Polygon article is a bit more in depth, and Siliconera has multiple articles featuring the company. Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 11:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Two problems with that argument: 1. quoting the full text reveals "Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability." 2. The sources (I checked) are categorised as trivial at CORPDEPTH. Widefox; talk 11:40, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I beg to differ. And even if what you said were to be true, the other sources I stated above do contain more than just "trivial or incidental coverage." Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 00:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Differ with the quote 1., or differ categorising the sources 2.? 1. is quoted, and 2. others agree on, so it would help if you could reason your case. Widefox; talk 11:58, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm confused as to what you mean, but I will add that all the sources I proposed discuss the developer or their games in some detail, so, like Czar says, they are not "product announcements" as you claim. Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 23:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete Indeed fail WP:CORPDEPTH.--AldNonUcallin?☎ 10:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete Not one reliable source, either on the page or that I can find. LaMona (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Please elaborate. All the sources proposed here are reliable as per WP:VG/RS. Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 23:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep. Blow it up if you don't like what's there, but save for Capsule (which is new to me), I know all of Satellizer's sources were vetted at WP:VG/RS. A few seem more about Yatagarasu than about the company, but the correct procedure here is to merge that up a level to the developer until it can carry its own weight. Every one of the sources discusses products of the company, so regardless of the CORP arguments, the article topic passes the other avenue to prove notability: the general notability guideline with sigcov in vetted WPVG sources. czar  23:21, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
This isn't WP:ILIKE / don't. A bunch of product announcements don't make a notable company, and yeah some of the products may be notable but that doesn't mean it is per WP:INHERITED. Sources about the company have yet to be produced. Widefox; talk 23:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The nom was about the article's current promotional state, so I said blow it up if you don't like that—has nothing to do with your link. As for the topic itself, it has sources (Satellizer's, above) that were not incorporated into the article. Nyu is a company that received coverage for making games. The articles are more about the actions of the company than individual games. (I'll add this one to the pile.) There's enough vetted coverage for there to be enough content for an article on the company and for this AfD to be a clear keep. czar  00:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Although I personally believe we should be more thorough, and quicker to react to paid editing that violates the TOU, my nom clearly states this should be taken on it's merits - so far there's a lack of sources on the company (there's plenty of product announcements). this one - another product announcement. Piling up PR doesn't help me see if it is, in fact, notable. Widefox; talk 01:07, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
The Satellizer sources, the ones you call "PR", are from vetted, reliable sources and are in no way press releases. If you mean to say they have a promotional tone, then your disagreement is with the tone of video game reporting as a whole. No different for this article than for any other. I have nothing else to add here without repeating myself, so I'm bowing out czar  03:06, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete utterly trivial company. No notable games. A company producing creative products that produces no notable product cannot possibly be notable--especially inb a field we cover so intensively as computer games. And the firm is essentially trivial in other respects: " a core staff of four people, spread over London, San Francisco and Osaka," almost all the product announcements are for future projects. This article illustrates the defects of paid editing--nobody else would conceivably write this article except someone with coi. I wouldn't automatically reject all such articles--an actually notable company might be foolish enough to higher a paid editor on Elance, and it is even conceivable that they might do a satisfactory job. But in this case, not even the best editor could produce a satisfactory article, as there;s nothing to work with. DGG ( talk ) 23:47, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • More sources. This isn't about the impact of the indeed small firm by a topic-specific guideline, but its coverage in vetted media—in addition to the above:
If you do a custom Google search on the VG/RS page linked above, you'll find plenty more coverage of the company and its products—more than enough to sustain an article, nevertheless a satisfactory one, and nothing requiring Herculean effort. As for the announcements being for future projects—that's (1) the nature of the field's reporting, and (2) only the links you saw above. There is plenty of coverage once the games came out—see the aforementioned custom Google search. The location or size of the firm has no bearing on how it's covered, and no one has actually looked into whether its individual games are notable—they're from a niche Japanese genre and being localized into English. We haven't even begun on the Japanese sources. Mind you, this isn't even my niche, but just look at the amount of coverage! Would think that given recent discussion about my expertise in matters like this, you'd have a little more faith in my research. czar  03:56, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  18:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Firewatch[edit]

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This was initially marked with an A7 speedy deletion, but as the game is not going to be web only it technically fails that guideline. I did find some coverage, but not nearly enough to warrant an article at this point in time. I'm open to this getting userfied or moved to the draftspace, but right now it just seems like its just WP:TOOSOON for an entry. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 11:14, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete unti l it gets released. DGG ( talk ) 23:03, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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Cult County[edit]

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Failed kickstarter for an indie horror game. It's been over half a year and there's no new indication of when or even if this game will ever be made. If it can get made, then the article can simply be made again. Until then, we should delete. -WarthogDemon 23:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Merge/redirect to Renegade Kid. The article for the company was severely out of date but I've updated it to mention this game. It looks like it did get some mention in RS game sites, but right now it's just WP:TOOSOON for this to merit its own article. The company does have plans to make it but until there is more coverage, this doesn't merit more than a redirect to the main article. I figure that we could redirect with history and when/if the game releases, we can always un-redirect. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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  • Redirect per Tokyogirl79, WP:TOOSOON. The company article already has a couple of sentences about this unreleased game, which is enough. – Margin1522 (talk) 03:21, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. IGN says that it was canceled, but that's a terribly written article, so who knows what's going on. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment - According to these two tweets: [23] and [24], it seems like this project has, as I suspected, been cancelled with no plans of ever being made. -WarthogDemon 00:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Redirect to studio. There's enough information out there to at least warrant a redirect. The information is already in that article, so a merge isn't really necessary. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 02:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Tyr Neilsen[edit]

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Basically an unsourced BLP. Nothing in the article is referenced and even if it was, there doesn't seem to be anything that meets any notability standards.Mdtemp (talk) 16:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete I'm not qualified to comment on how notable the marital arts activities are. But there seems to be nothing in the way of achievements, other than serving as a senior instructor. The Hávamál book pretty clearly fails to qualify under WP:NBOOK. – Margin1522 (talk) 15:05, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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  • Delete This is essentially an unsourced BLP with no indication of him being notable as either a martial artist or author. Papaursa (talk) 18:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Secret account 22:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Vidya Gaem Awards[edit]

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This does not meet the notability requirements. Most of the article relies on self-referential or self-published content. I'm not even sure that the two independent sources support notability either. —Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete: These appear to be the only three reliable sources: [25], [26], [27]. Sam Walton (talk) 00:30, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete - non-notable "awards" given out by messageboard users. Coverage is very minimal and says little other than "it exists". Sergecross73 msg me 00:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. Hits on gry-online.pl and a two-sentence Kotaku article. For the sources currently used in the article, I'm not sure about Gamona's reliability, Giant Bomb is not a reliable source, and the primary sources aren't useful for establishing whether the awards are notable by independent, secondary sources. I don't see significant coverage to meet the GNG—not many hits for either "vidya gaem award" or "/v/mas", and thus not enough content to write an article. At first I considered a redirect to a new article, the only reasonable spin-off, /v/ (4chan), but after a quick search, I don't think /v/ has sig cov as of now either. czar  08:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Minor question regarding Giant Bomb. Are you suggesting that the paricular citation is unreliable or the entire site in general? I ask because if it is the latter it goes against what the sourcing page linked to says. The site is listed as situational and is considered reliable or news coverage and reviews by staff members. If on the other hand you were calling it unreliable the article in question did not meet the situational threshold to be considered reliable please disregard.--69.157.253.160 (talk) 22:57, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is what Czar meant, but the Giant Bomb article doesn't actually mention these awards, it just seems to be being used to back up the statement about negative reception of another award ceremony. Sam Walton (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure either, but the general consensus on GB is that their articles written by staff members are usable, but their wikia-like stuff is not, per WP:SPS - any ol' random person could alter it at any time. I don't have a link, so I can't tell for sure which it is, but either way, even usuable sources don't seem to be covering it in significant detail. Sergecross73 msg me 00:51, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
69.157 is right—I read it wrong. Alex Navarro writing for Giant Bomb should be okay. (GB is almost always a link to their wiki, which would be unreliable.) This said, a skim of the GB source doesn't mention the Vidya Gaems, so it wouldn't be used to prove notability anyway. Only sites I found were the ones Sam mentioned above and the brief gry-online stuff (not enough content to write an article). czar  01:44, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Do we have any idea how much votes are cast?PizzaMan (♨♨) 10:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean? Sergecross73 msg me 21:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I imagine votes cast towards the awards. In any case, it doesn't matter for our purposes since we need secondary source coverage czar  03:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Secret account 00:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Battalen[edit]

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Flash game with no indication of notability. Prod removed with no reason given. Kolbasz (talk) 23:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete fails GNG and references are all to WP itself! DocumentError (talk) 08:50, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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  • Delete - Software (game) article of unclear notability, lacking independent references. A search turned up no significant RS coverage. This article's creator is an SPA, so it is possibly promotional in nature.Dialectric (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 09:31, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Michael Collins (MTA Character)[edit]

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Unsourced article about fictional character no indication of WP:Notability Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 09:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete - as far as I can tell, seems to be in WP:MADEUP territory. ansh666 01:54, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete Your made-up GTA Online character will never earn any notability unless they become sentient and come out of the monitor to be a real person; typical archetype of typical character used by who knows how many in that game. Nate (chatter) 03:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A11; obviously invented by the article's creator. Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 10:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete - looks straightforward. Metamagician3000 (talk) 05:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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