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Jat clans of Rawalpindi Division[edit]

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Just useless. Several identically sourced/formatted articles have recently been deleted at AfD, eg:

As I said then, what is the point of this, bearing in mind that the lead says "The appearance of a particular tribe as Jat in the list does not in itself confirm that the tribe is Jat or otherwise. Identity may change with time, and some groups in the list may no longer identify themselves as Jats." Also bear in mind that the 1911 census was not reliable, being subject to the huge misunderstandings resultant from the influence of H. H. Risley and other scientific racists. It's basically just a transcription of a primary source. One past AfD was contested at WP:DRV but the outcome remained the same. Sitush (talk) 13:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete - looks like a transcript of the primary source in question. We need significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources for something to be considered notable so unless such coverage can be produced, this should be deleted. Stlwart111 02:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Árni Guldborg Nielsen[edit]

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Okay so this seems to be unotable-possibly not even real. Someone added "sources" just now (a logged off IP) which NONE are about the person. Wgolf (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The Edward Snowden Affair: Exposing the Politics and Media Behind the NSA Scandal[edit]

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See prior AfD here : Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Edward Snowden Affair: Exposing the Politics and Media Behind the NSA Scandal Creator has now changed usernames? Gaff ταλκ 22:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment wow, wasn't this already just deleted today? Cramyourspam (talk) 22:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • yes. See the link to the discussion, which I posted above. It was speedy delete for reasons noted, but article creator now changed accounts (or so it seems) and reposted. If I was not supposed to repost for AfD, sorry & please correct me... Gaff ταλκ 22:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Speedy close - The original deletion was done out of process. Author blanking is prohibited during AFD. I had just posted to the deleting admin as a first step in route to a deletion review and would pursue that recourse if the deleting admin did not reverse his original decision. Much attribution is lost in the history of the original page that needs to be present in this article.—John Cline (talk) 22:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Martin O'Halloran[edit]

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Delete: notability not acquired solely through victimology, as is well-established. Quis separabit? 21:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Stinë Dashurie[edit]

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Sadly, no significant coverage to reliable sources establish the subject notability. Subject fail WP:GNG.Wikicology (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete-Unotable show Wgolf (talk) 21:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. Procedurally, there's no reason given for this nomination. I don't think I'm particularly well-qualified to judge the reliability of Albanian-language sources, but this show appears to have coverage from Yll Press and Zeri.info. I assume that print sources in Kosovo also exist, and am inclined to give some benefit of the doubt here per WP:BIAS. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
there is a rationale for the nomination. I only had a minor issue with my device.Wikicology (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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Parviz Farrokhi[edit]

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Another one of these volleyball profiles that does not meet sports guidelines on here! Wgolf (talk) 20:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Jhazmyne's Lullaby[edit]

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I doubt the notability of this album. Wikicology (talk) 20:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship[edit]

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Seems to be a non-notable grappling event with no citations. Seems like advertising.

Procedural note: This was listed without the afd2 template (in a way that broke the AFD log formatting). I've taken the liberty of tidying this up as a housekeeping action. CrazyAces489 is the nominator, and provided the above (originally unsigned) nomination justification; I have no opinion on the merits of the nomination. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Dead Season (band)[edit]

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The subject seems to not meet WP:MUSICBIO. The references provided are mostly from the same page – Tumblr. Karlhard (talk) 20:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


The article features many references to other Wikipedia articles, which are relevant to the article, and also to Wikipedia as well (keeping readers on the site after reading this one). I also took the time to give as many external references as possible, which I agree are mostly from the same sources, Tumblr, Bandcamp, AbridgedPause. But this is because only since last month has Dead Season started to be documented and archived on the internet, therefore all the sources are recent and contained, they have not had the chance to spread about just yet. I spent 6 months researching and writing this article for Dead Season, and it would break my heart if it would get deleted this fast from Wikipedia.

Can you please give me tips on what I could do to assure that this will not be deleted? Do I need to provide more sources, or more different sources? Have I not given the correct licence for the picture? Please keep me informed on anything that I could do to make this article stay on Wikipedia.Thank you. Alexandre Julien, User:HDS

  • Delete Overly detailed but poorly sourced (fails WP:RS due to overuse of social media) promo biography. The Banner talk 22:50, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Spencer Thompson[edit]

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Fails WP:NFOOTY GauchoDude (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Akshay Akkineni[edit]

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Too soon article. Could be redirected to one of his 2 films. Wgolf (talk) 20:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Losseny Doumbia[edit]

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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This remains valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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2002–03 Dynamo Dresden season[edit]

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Fails WP:NSEASONS. Kingjeff (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they also fail WP:NSEASONS.

2001–02 Dynamo Dresden season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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1999–2000 Dynamo Dresden season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1998–99 Dynamo Dresden season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1997–98 Dynamo Dresden season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1996–97 Dynamo Dresden season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1995–96 Dynamo Dresden season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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Vins Plastics[edit]

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Not notable. Two of the references are their own website, whereas all three of the others are about their buying a particular kind of press. The tone is promotional, and there is nothing to suggest that this company is any more notable than 1000s of other companies. ubiquity (talk) 19:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete ADVERT for a non-notable manufacturer. i mean WHAT an AD! examples: "George Vins was a young, ambitious and exceptionally knowledgeable chemical engineer, who was motivated to construct a flexible packaging company that provided advanced and innovative packaging solutions for customers....Today, Vins Plastics is renowned and a global leader in the flexible packaging industry, dedicated to growth and change within an ever increasingly competitive market..... The family business tradition continues as Jamie, CEO & President, welcomes his two sons to further advance the company’s growth and leadership in" (bla bla bla AD!) Cramyourspam (talk) 19:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Jia Sharma[edit]

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An upcoming actress-meaning of course way too soon. Now maybe someday, but not today! Wgolf (talk) 19:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment-Oh it was deleted already it looks like! Wgolf (talk) 19:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The Sun The Moon The Stars[edit]

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I prodded this and have been keeping an eye on it since. It's been much improved with references, which addresses one of my main concerns, but the subject still seems non-notable. The references all seem minor – blogs, fanzines, retailers – and the detail that's been added reinforces my opinion that it's a minor band – a pub band in UK terms – which falls well short of satisfying WP:NMUSIC. JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 19:07, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment - Cited sources include the formal announcing of the band's label signing and internationally distributed record release from the ALTERNATIVE PRESS, a major media outlet in music that does NOT cover "pub bands". The reason the page has been recently edited to fit Wikipedia's guidelines is because the person formerly active in maintaining it passed away some time ago, and I am now trying to save it before it is removed from the site. It is a work in progress, BUT sources cited include Punknews.org and Alternative Press among smaller blogs that reviewed the band's record, which happens to be available in UK shops. Thanks for your diligence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.160.236.22 (talk) 19:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - The band is also ranked on Amazon's National Music charts at #622,921 paid in albums, out of over 5 million releases, putting them in the top 20% and satisfying WP:NMUSIC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.160.236.22 (talk) 20:19, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
    • comment I don't see anything at WP:NMUSIC that suggests 622,921th in Amazon's sales ranking makes them notable. It mentions (#4) that a band is usually notable if they have a chart success in a national chart but that would be a top 30, top 40, top 100 sales position depending on the chart. I've formatted your comments too to make them stand out better.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 20:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Matt Mason (singer)[edit]

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Last two AFD's closed as "no consensus". Rationale same as last time: Seems to fail WP:MUSIC. All coverage comes from the time that he won CMT's Next Superstar, with no subsequent coverage whatsoever. This seems to be a case similar to Angela Hacker, who won a season of Nashville Star but received no coverage after the fact. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 18:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep – I'm repeating myself from the previous discussions as well: In my view, the "keep" consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Mason (singer) was not at all unreasonable. There's coverage of him beyond just news of his Next Superstar win (in 2011), for example in the Dayton Daily News I found there is coverage from 2012, and also a bit of coverage of him touring in 2013 (Don Thrasher. "The Top", Dayton Daily News 26 July 2013: p. AC.3). Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 22:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Ernest Trevor Spashett[edit]

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Long dead architect, but the article seems almost entirely based on the architect's personal archives, or unpublished sources, or Architects' registers. It suggests this is written by a relative of the subject, but there's no evidence Spashett is anything more than a competent, jobbing architect. The Church Army Chapel seems to be attributed to the company he worked for. Fails WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 18:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete non-notable architect. seems to have an unremarkable church to his credit. WP:COI all over the article which seems to have been written by his own family. photo of the subject has this info: "Jean Spashett (1964 slide); Linda Spashett Storye_book (2009 scan). - Slide taken by the wife of the architect in 1964; from his archives. Jean Spashett (1964 slide); Linda Spashett Storye_book (2009 scan). - Slide taken by the wife of the architect in 1964; from his archives" --thus we see that user Storye_book is the subject's family. most of the article's edits have been by Storye book, who is the subject's family. the info should go on a family blog, not in the encyclopedia. Cramyourspam (talk) 19:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
I started and edited this article a bit after extracting text from the article about the Blackheath Church Army Chapel (local to me). At the time, I hoped that more authoritative references from significant independent publications might surface about the architect, but none seem to have been found. Editor storye_book does appear to have particularly close interest (COI). Agree it fails WP:GNG. Paul W (talk) 19:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

DJ Dean[edit]

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Article has not been properly referenced since at least 2011, and the only big-name source I can find (BBC) turns out to be linked directly from Wiki itself. All other sources are a one-paragraph bio that looks copy-pasted between sites. Primefac (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Egert Heintare[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. His futsal career does not confer notability per WP:NSPORT either. PROD was contested based on his futsal career. As mentioned in the PROD rationale, consensus at afd has been that playing international futsal in and of itself does not confer notability, and it does not appear to have generated significant coverage for Mr. Heintare. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:50, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Lupita[edit]

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Too soon? This is a show that wont air till sometime next year so I say either put a redirect to Teresita Reyes (the only cast member with a page) or delete for now. Wgolf (talk) 17:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete: The article should be deleted, still no certainty that such release in 2015 telenovela The user who created the article already has a history of hasty creations items, also has thousands of messages in discussion and all you do is ignore them.--McVeigh (talk) 18:01, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Yashu Dhiman[edit]

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The result was SPEEDY DELETE, salted for a while. Alexf(talk) 22:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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no indication of meeting GNG or any other notability standard John from Idegon (talk) 06:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete Unable to find any significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject of this BLP. J04n(talk page) 17:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. Kierzek (talk) 18:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment: Sadly, this is pretty WP:TOOSOON and NYA. Wikicology (talk) 18:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Aryz[edit]

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Does not meet WP:ARTIST or WP:GNG. It's always hard to be sure about how reliable sources in another language are, but I couldn't find enough to establish notability and there is no Spanish-language article Boleyn (talk) 06:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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E:cue lighting control[edit]

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Largely unsourced company profile. The accessible sources on this company article consist of an article in a trade publication, a youtube video and an incidental mention on an old version of the times square website. The fourth source on enlighter.com has been deleted, while the final source on LSA looks to be a business profile a la crunchbang that was deleted at least three years ago. A given that the first couple of pages of google results come up with the company website and resellers listing product catalogues, coupled with the generally promotional tone of the article, I'm inclined to think this article belongs down the memory hole. Dolescum (talk) 13:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Redirect to OSRAM with merging of some info. I'd say merge with Traxon Technologies since they seem to be different arms of one business, but that article may well be merged and redirected to the parent company OSRAM. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traxon Technologies. E:cue lighting control doesn't have the sources to demonstrate notability. (The YouTube video isn't on an official account. It's just someone's travel video showing a pretty building that doesn't even mention the company.) If the lighting control product is cutting edge (and it may well be) the company is likely notable, but we need independent reliable sources to show that. Meters (talk) 17:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Building Commissioning Association[edit]

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WP:SPA creator has not established that this meets WP:ORG or WP:GNG, and neither could I. It has been tagged for notability for six years, almost since its creation. Please also see Draft:Building_Commissioning_Association where it was assessed as not suitable for inclusion in WP and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#September 23 where the WP:SPA WP:COI editor made comments. Prod removed by me as COI editor had evidently meant to (see the article's talk page). Boleyn (talk) 14:16, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Reshma Dordi[edit]

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Been looking this over, not sure if she is notable or not-she is a host of a show and a former model, but nothing else seems to be there, so either a redirect or a userfy be the best IMO. Also article was previously deleted in 2007, but brought back 3 years ago! Wgolf (talk) 00:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment-adding that it was also previously deleted in 2007 but was brought back 3 years ago. Wgolf (talk) 00:41, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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Cross Enterprise Document Sharing[edit]

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Article was deleted previously at AfD for lack of notability, userfied and later restored. In the interim, absolutely no indication that the subject ever achieved notability. Safiel (talk) 05:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete per WP:NOTDIC, WP:GNG, and WP:CSD#G4: Substantially the same stub as created, changed from "is" to "was" by the creator minutes later, with no substantial improvement in the 7 years since. No details added to article, and no evidence provided of standard ever being used. This also qualifies for speedy deletion under WP:CSD#G4 as a page that was reverted back into article space (by Dclunie (talk · contribs)) 14 days after being userfied by a deletion discussion, with no change whatsoever to the content or circumstances that lead to deletion and no reason given for return to article space. --Closeapple (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment937 google books hits. 694 google scholar hits. That in itself is not an argument for notability, but it tells me that it's likely a good argument can be made. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 18:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep I have rewritten the article from three secondary and one semi-primary (a collaborator with IHE) sources, all reliable. As LC notes, sources among books and journal articles are numerous and easy to come by; an inspection of these shows a number of them to be secondary and reliable. These WP:BEFORE sources and those in the rewritten article demonstrate notability of the topic and the rewrite has eliminated problems like promotional tone and the link farm. --Mark viking (talk) 22:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep—Nice work by Mark viking in wading through the literature to salvage the article. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 18:38, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Nalawade[edit]

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Delete as an indiscriminate collection of information, and because the topic fails verification, and because the topic fails the general notability guideline for lack of citation to reliable sources about the topic. This article appears to be about a Maratha clan, I say appears because it lacks a lead section. It has been around for two years since 9 August 2012‎, so has had plenty of time for attention. The article currently has no citations concerning clan status. Sitush removed unreliable sources in 2012. See User talk:Starrahul#Maratha clans I was not able to find reliable sources to establish clan status. Even the not-reliable "crowd-sourced" surname page entitled Nalawade Genealogy, Nalawade Family History at Geni.com is empty. I found two Wikipedia articles that linked to this article, List of Maratha dynasties and states in which it is listed under "Rulers" for Pune, Satara and Sangli without citation, and List of Marathi films where it was a false drop for the actor Arun Nalawade, which false drop I have corrected. In Shrivastavya's 1952 book Are Rajput-Maratha Marriages Morganatic? the name "Nalavade" with the letter "v" is mentioned, but the sources and reliability are unclear. All of the existing citations are about individuals who happen to have "Nalawade", in some form, as a surname. Example: Mr. Dattatraya Shankar Nalawde Mayor of Bombay was born in village Vanake in Ratnagiri Dist. Anyone one of the three reason given above should be adequate for removal. I note that, among other warnings and bans, in October 2012 the article's author received a six-month topic ban on editing Maratha related articles, and did not return to editing after its expiration. --Bejnar (talk) 16:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete. It could be replaced with a surname page listing the articles about people with this name (currently four). However, this does not require any continuity with the current article. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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Rick Lindquist[edit]

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This one has a WP:RESUME smell. His only claim to fame is a single NY Times article, but from that article alone I don't see how he is notable. Interesting side note: the article about some artist of the same name, until Erichten (talk · contribs) rewrote the article, and also created Zane Benefits (the name of Lindquist's company). I smell WP:SOAPBOX. bender235 (talk) 16:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Rick is the 29 year old President of a software company that is changing the landscape of small business health insurance [1]. He has co-authored a book (with a NYT Bestselling author) that will be released this fall [2] and is sought after as a speaker and expert on US healthcare reform. Not sure why bender235 is after the page. While article may need to be updated, I don't agree with the suggestion to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonrbrand (talkcontribs) 16:27, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete as fails WP:BLPNOTE. It is WP:TOOSOON. Of the five citations in the article, two don't mention him, even in discussions of the company, two are closely related to him (his homepage, and his LinkEd page), and one mentions him in a review of the company, primarily quoting him. That is not the significant coverage required by our notability guidelines. --Bejnar (talk) 16:38, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
The hijacked 2009 article about the artist also fails WP:BLPNOTE for lack of coverage in independent reliable sources. --Bejnar (talk) 16:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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  • Delete non-notable BLP and business-spam Cramyourspam (talk) 17:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Craig O'Neill[edit]

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Delete: Fails WP:N and WP:GNG Quis separabit? 15:32, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete: Of local interest only. Fails WP:NOTEBLP and WP:GNG. No significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Only source is Univ. Central Arkansas which has his bio (apparently provided by the subject), and a news release of his donation of broadcast tapes. --Bejnar (talk) 03:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete non-notable local radio voice who simply happened to work for 30 years. unsourced except for two college website blurbs which appear to have subject-contributed content. Cramyourspam (talk) 18:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Tse Wing Hung[edit]

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Another one of these unotable volleyball players (I have been either putting BLP prods, prods or XFD's on tons of these the past few days...) Wgolf (talk) 15:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Juneric Baloria[edit]

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Had this as a prod but it got deleted-looking at this now-too soon as he just started his first season as a draft pick. Wgolf (talk) 15:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • It seems that the "floor" of notability for Filipino basketball players is having played at least one Philippine Basketball Association game. This guy hasn't played yet, but he's a rookie on an expansion (crappy) team so there's some hope for him to play once the season starts later this month... –HTD 17:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

White Cross[edit]

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unsourced non-notable band spam. tag indicating sources needed since 2009 --nominating for deletion in 2014. PRODed in the past, orig author deleted the PROD with no major improvements. Cramyourspam (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Global Health Innovative Technology Fund (GHIT)[edit]

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The sources used here are self-published. To meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, third-party sources must be identified to establish WP:Notability. I regret deleting an article by a new user, Inaffziger, but this article is not ready for mainspace. Perhaps it can be wp:userfied while this person develops it.

If one removes all self-published sources, not enough is left here to make an article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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I'm working on the sources issue. Will have the article updated within 24 hours to better comply with policies. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inaffziger (talkcontribs) 19:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Untitled eighth-generation Codemasters Formula One project[edit]

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This is an obvious WP:CRYSTAL case - Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements. There is no content in this article, the author doesn't even have a name. The only source is a blog post in which this project is briefly mentioned. - hahnchen 13:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete per WP:HAMMER. ansh666 17:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete When someone from the company doesn't know the name of the product at all? Maybe that's saying 'don't create an article about it yet'. WP:CRYSTAL and what company has ever put out a new product then said 'hey, we got this coming out soon, thanks for the free $60 on this inferior product, sucker'? Nate (chatter) 17:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:HAMMER. Sergecross73 msg me 17:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete as per WP:HAMMER 69.166.78.85 (talk) 17:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep: The project is notable as it is the first Formula One game on an eighth-generation console. Its development was closely tied to F1 2014 to the point where it directly affected F1 2014. The article name is representative of the way the game will be a departure from other titles in the series. If the article was still called F1 2015, the person nominating the article for deletion would not have bothered; the only reason why there is an AfD in the first place is because he didn't get his way in the article. There has been no consultation with any editors involved in related articles, so this whole thing amounts to IDONTLIKEIT. The developer has already given details of when an announcement will be made (which cannot be included for obvious reasons), which will come to pass in the space of about a week. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete this is WP:TOOSOON, technically the article does not currently pass WP:N. There is no need to jump the gun with articles so soon after the merest scrap of information becomes available. MarvellousMeatpuppet (talk) 22:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Cristian Ristea[edit]

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Non-notable kickboxer - does not meet WP:KICK Peter Rehse (talk) 12:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Igor Bugaenko[edit]

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Non-notable kickboxer - does not meet WP:KICK Peter Rehse (talk) 12:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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List of United States Progressive Party presidential tickets[edit]

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WP:SYNTH and WP:OR, there were 3 parties named the Progressive Party in the United States (see Progressive Party (United States, 1912), Progressive Party (United States, 1924), and Progressive Party (United States, 1948), this article synthesizes the three trying to show some continuity among these parties and their electoral performances. Not encyclopedic as all these elections are covered in sourced detail in already created articles. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete per nom; these were three separate parties despite the shared name. postdlf (talk) 15:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't delete, The 1912 and 1924 parties weren't entirely separate, as the the reminents of the former were still there and were a major part of the latter. As to 1948, the California and Wisconsin parties, which were part of the 1924 campaign were parts of that campaign as well, so there was SOME continuity. Of the races it ran in three of the five got over a million votes and it was the most successful third party in history. Not only that, it elected members of congress throughout most of the first half of the 20th centuryEricl (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Far from being unnecessary reiteration, this is a useful historical tool — a well-researched and detailed list which depicts, at a glance, all of the pertinent details regarding the three respective American presidential runs, while also providing instant comparison between the candidates from the three same-named parties and the instant-overview specifics for each of the elections. Such comparative details are not readily available from each of the individual articles on the three elections and, without this entry, would require moving back-and-forth between the articles and taking notes. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep-This is a historical thing that should be kept on here for sure. Wgolf (talk) 23:07, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep has historical use. as long as the different progressive parties (small p not big P) are clearly shown, it seems okay to intermingle candidates from the various progressive parties. Cramyourspam (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Melodic Revolution Records[edit]

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No coverage in secondary sources; promotional. Blackguard 22:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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As an individual, who is directly interested in Progressive Rock community worldwide, I have been monitoring the discussion regarding Melodic Revolution Records page. I have added a several relevant sources into the article as required, according to this discussion. Will take care of doing more once I find a little more free time. Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1811:883:C600:D95:5C27:F41B:6A1 (talk) 13:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC) Note: An editor has expressed a concern that 2A02:1811:883:C600:D95:5C27:F41B:6A1 (talkcontribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.


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There is a discussion about it: Talk: Melodic_Revolution_Records. Please read all the comments. There are several artists who have their own Wikipedia page linked to Melodic Revolution Records wikipedia page. And more will come ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisgeorges (talkcontribs) 09:51, 24 September 2014 (UTC) I have added a various links to the secondary sources regarding both the label itself and its activities and references to the artists it is working with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1811:883:C600:AC81:15A9:D9D2:1A7 (talk) 11:19, 24 September 2014 (UTC) Note: An editor has expressed a concern that 2A02:1811:883:C600:AC81:15A9:D9D2:1A7 (talkcontribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.


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Cuusoo[edit]

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NN website, some claims of involvement with varuous things but not any substantial or notable involvement with anything substantive or notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment Given that Lego Cuusoo was such a big deal I would have thought this a solid basis for an article, though obviously it will require more references to establish notability. Artw (talk) 05:17, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Bengt Gomér[edit]

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NN stagehand's bio sourced to his website. Worked with famous people in famous places do what??? If I took tickets at a Rolling Stone concert, do I get an article here, too. Worked with Jagger on tour. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:31, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment: A scenographer (stage designer) is a "stagehand" to about the same extent that Coco Chanel was a seamstress. --Hegvald (talk) 12:13, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete. No evidence of notability or the existence of better references. Swpbtalk 22:51, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Nina Stemme, to whom he is married [3]. There currently seems to be a fair amount of coverage in Swedish newspapers about his directing Turandot at Dalhalla next summer with Stemme in the title role, this, for instance - so there is some notability but, unless someone can find coverage, probably in Swedish newspapers, of his previous career, not enough for a standalone article. PWilkinson (talk) 13:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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Breathless Beauty, Broken Beauty[edit]

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Non notable artwork. Prod declined. It is on temporary exhibition for one art festival. WP:BEFORE finds several passing mentions in the context of the festival. No sources dedicated to the work. no critical analysis. no mention of influence on other artists or works (not surprising since its brand new)

Article contains 3 links to WP:PRIMARY affiliated sources. No

Suggest redirection to London Design Festival where it could merit a brief mention.

Prod decline claims notability due to claimed unique features of the work. Gaijin42 (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment: As a "film" this lacks coverage to meet WP:NF, yes... but as a unique work of art that is being displayed in galleries we have other considerations, yes? Schmidt, Michael Q. 16:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
MichaelQSchmidt long time no see, I believe we have not interacted since Rome, Sweet Rome. There are many unique pieces of art that are displayed in galleries and museums. Very few (percentage wise) are notable. This one is only exhibited temporarily to boot. It has won no awards, received no commentary or critique. or any other trappings of notability. The artist was certainly selected to create the work by the museum for the exhibition, but that would be true of whatever bit of art she happened to create. The one she actually did create has not been noticed by anyone subsequently. using WP:ARTIST as a proxy, its possible that it could satisfy 4.b but its borderline, and it certainly fails 1-3 and 4a,c, and d. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Well... to be fair, I've been a part of several and installation pieces are not the same as permanent; they usually travel and are seen at only one location at a time. This brand new article may simply fall under a version of TOO SOON. It's public appearance is recent and it may capture the attention of reliable sources. If so, we can consider undeletion or recreation. Does its author or an article contributor wish it userfied? Schmidt, Michael Q. 20:21, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I am certainly not arguing that this work can never become notable, just that it isn't now. (Although I think its more appropriate to treat it as a work of art than a film, even though film is involved.) Gaijin42 (talk) 20:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Pat O'Neill's The Decay of Fiction, Michael Haussman's A Study in Gravity and Yoshua Okón's Salò Island are similar... art statements displayed in a film format. Some of the artists and works have articles. Others, not yet. Schmidt, Michael Q. 20:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete non barely sourced artist spam. a temporary installation at a museum by a non-notable artist is hardly worthy of the encyclopedia.Cramyourspam (talk) 14:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Anthony Christian[edit]

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No evidence supporting that this WP:BLP establishes notability as an artist. 1292simon (talk) 11:15, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete and Userfy having just a single source is not an automatic death-sentence for an article, but in this case I have not yet found a single independent reliable source on Anthony Christian. (The cited source is the webpage of the artist.) I examined all 171 hits on GoogleScholar, and none were about this chap. In GoogleBooks I found several mentions of the portrait painter Anthony Christian-Howard (both with and without the hyphen), but no mentions of this Anthony Christian. Having one-man shows at galleries, such as the Hazlitt, is indicative of someone who is either notable or likely to become notable, but the problem here is that much of the newspaper (and magazine if any) coverage is likely to be before electronic preservation of those sources. Nonetheless, I would (in fact did) expect to find something in reliable electronic sources, but I did not. Citations to paper only reliable sources is perfectly okay. I would urge the author to request and accept WP:Userfication, pending time spent in musty old libraries reviewing newspaper archives to recover the citations that would prove substantial coverage of his child prodigy status and coverage in the arts section of his one-man shows. Some magazine coverage in reliable sources would be nice too. The National Gallery has a press clippings file on him #NG24/1957/15. Some artists keep folios of their past news press, so checking with the artist or his gallery might be useful. I would also seriously consider rewriting the chronology in prose paragraphs with appropriate in-line citation. P.S. There is a press photo of him on sale at eBay and Diomedia, here and here. --Bejnar (talk) 22:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete in fact double delete with cheese -blatant self-promotional artist-spam by non-notable local painter (and wife). no sources except artist's own website and the so-called ICHOR gallery --which is also run by the artist. note the website's copyright notice on the bottom of the pages: "Copyright of Anthony Christian and Marian "Fanny" Christian. All Rights Reserved" see archive snapshot here. the article is AUTObiographical BLP. Cramyourspam (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Nur Ali Mondal[edit]

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This is a PROD contested by DGG with the rationale "member of a legislature: all suchare always notable". However, he is merely a member of a gram panchayat (local council for a small village of less than 9000). Extremely unlikely to be notable. —innotata 03:19, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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I misinterpreted. He does indeeed notsee,m to have been elected to a national or state legislature. If there are no objections, I'll restore the Prod. & delete accordingly. DGG ( talk ) 03:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't object. —innotata 05:45, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Luckies[edit]

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The article makes some big claims, but a search for reliable coverage comes up empty. I found one site that a first glance appears to be significant coverage, but it turns out to be a blog. And it's just one site: the rest I could find were sites selling their products, or press releases. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


It's not a blog! It's a legitimate manufacturer that was established in 2005, they invented the first foil covered scratch off map!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.245.103 (talk) 14:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Here is their listing on the nation limited database; http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05388393/LUCKIES-OF-LONDON-LIMITED - They supply Waterstones, John Lewis, Amazon and many other large corporations proving they are a legitimate company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.245.103 (talk) 14:37, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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A. A. Ngurah Oka Ratmadi[edit]

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Since it seems not all mayors are notable on here, here is one that does not seem to be. Has been tagged as a orphan for nearly 6 years. The link that was on here just was about the town not about him. (even the category has just him in it) Wgolf (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete This is an unsourced BLP. 131.118.229.17 (talk) 23:59, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep I found a reference confirming that he is the mayor. It's not much of a reference, but since he is the mayor of a city of 500,000 people, confirmation is enough IMO. Other references undoubtedly exist that are not in English. --MelanieN (talk) 20:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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VSN Video Stream Networks[edit]

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Relatively minor prize, an nothing else. DGG ( talk ) 00:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Solidiance[edit]

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That they have entered into an "alliance" with notable firms does not make them notable. The refs are mere notices, or PR, or things they themselves have written. DGG ( talk ) 00:11, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Delete-I would say redirect but not sure what to, as for now delete. Wgolf (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


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Delete-Reads too much like a PR piece of some random company, failing to see the notability here, as others said. RegistryKey (talk) 13:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Mike Jave[edit]

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I had this as a prod but now looking at it-this seems more like an AFD. a person whose band has no page even. (only source was to Facebook) Wgolf (talk) 04:19, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

  • -Also oddly there is a tag from 2012 on the article which is more then 2 years before this article was made. Wgolf (talk) 04:19, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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Delete: No evidence of notability. I took time to find references to reliable sources that establish its notability, all to no avail. Subject fails WP:GNG. The truth is, he is not notable. Article about him here is just WP:TOOSOON. Wikicology (talk) 19:18, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Raising Genius[edit]

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Rottentomatoes shows zero published reviews for this film. It appears to fail Wikipedia:Notability (films). It has been listed as unsourced for nearly 2 years and no reliable in-depth sources seem to exist. (Note that WP:NF explicitly disallows comprehensive database listings such as IMDB or Rottentomatoes as counting towards notability). I previously tried prodding this, but that was removed without improvement. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment: I just began work on this and find it a bit difficult to believe that a film with so many notables is completely unsourcable. Someone somewhere must have written of it. I'll continue and report back. Cheers. Schmidt, Michael Q. 10:39, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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I thought so too, but I didn't come up with much. Other than bare directory listings: A three-sentence review in VideoHound's Golden Movie Retriever [4]. A brief mention in a widely republished AP article about Wendy Malick. [5] A paragraph in an about.com interview with Danica McKellar. [6]. A passing mention that Shirley Jones is in the film, in a Variety column. [7] Perhaps you'll have better results. --Arxiloxos (talk) 22:26, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • And just a little more coverage of it under its pre-release title: Schmidt, Michael Q. 04:52, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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Brian J. Costello[edit]

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Non-notable author. Sources seem to be about a place, not him, nothing on Google, nothing that supports any of the text. Publisher of his book appears to be purely local history imprint Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Delete The sources are so vague, that you can not check them. Seeing his massive field of knowledge, it seems a hoax or at least massively overblown to me. The Banner talk 09:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Costello is a well recognized local historian of the Pointe Coupee area in Louisiana. His works have misty centered on Pointe Coupee but have also included New Orleans and South Louisiana. At least one work, the Flood of 1912, is of interest to the entire Mississippi River region. Everything I read on the page of his bio is correct. He has been honored by the Creole Heritage Center at the university in Natchitoches, Louisiana. Perhaps instead of being called an American author, a better title would be a Louisiana historian. But I do not think it should be deleted. Our company, Avoyelles Publications dba [1], published some his early books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.119.7.235 (talk) 06:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


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  • Delete non-notable local author. filomena source is a dead/expired link.Cramyourspam (talk) 14:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. Not a hoax, but sources have not yet been provided to show this prolific author's notability much beyond the borders of Pointe Coupee Parish. Google searches turn up a lot of mentions, and in there might be substantive reviews or other indications of notability. Maybe this could be userfied or sent to draft space for further sourcing and development, if the creator is interested. --Arxiloxos (talk) 16:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Adlabs Imagica Wrath of the Gods[edit]

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Non-notable individual amusement rides/shows that fail WP:GNG. With such names I don't even see why those would be searchable items on WP to keep as redirects. Also nominating Mr India - The Ride. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Merge into Adlabs Imagica, or better yet, create an article on rides and attractions at Imagica. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:07, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Florin Sandu (lawyer)[edit]

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It fails WP:Notability (person), as there are little reputable secondary sources demonstrating his notability. The creator of the article notes on the talk page that the subject is "a friend", and that he or she is "writing this article to him". Ollieinc (talk) 02:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment. This gentleman appears to be accomplished, but I'm not sure how to evaluate the various positions. I was intrigued by the "Secretary of State" title (e.g. [8]), however, there appear to 15 ministries each with many secretaries of states who are subordinate. - Location (talk) 03:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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  • The following passage asserts Sandu was "General Inspector of Romanian Police" -- that sounds like he meets the criteria for WP:Politician, as it is a national office. If he was appointed a Brigadier General then he meets the criteria for WP:GENERAL. Geo Swan (talk) 20:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
On January 2001 Colonel Sandu was appointed General Inspector of Romanian Police, function which will hold until November 2003. Following this appointment, he was promoted to brigadier general which later turned in the function of Principal Questor.
Also found mention as "Chief of Police" in a US State Department report: [9]. - Location (talk) 22:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • About a decade ago I read that an incoming US President has about 3,000 political appointments he or she makes, starting the the Departmental Secretaries that sit in the Cabinet, then Secretaries, like Secretary of the Navy, that are not at the Cabinet level, Directors of Agencies like NASA, NOAA, NPS, EPA, FBI. Some contributors wrongly assert that WP:Politician only applies to elected offices, but I think that is a mistake. I think it applies to all "office holders", including appointees. I don't care if this Romanian title is translated into English as "Chief of the National Police", "Inspector General of the National Police", "Director of the National Police". He was clearly an "office holder". He was clearly a senior office holder, at the National level. So he clearly qualified for wikipedia notability under the special purpose notability guideline WP:Politician. Note, this does not apply just to American office holders. Translation can be odd, and counter-intuitive, so I encourage you not to strain at gnats and swallow camels.
Please also bear in mind the long-standing precedent to consider all Generals and Admirals as notable. The military wikiprojects guidelines are not quite a special purpose notability guideline. But they might as well be, because their guidelines are routinely treated as if they were one of the special purpose notability guidelines. The military wikiproject members have been extremely aggressive that military officers at the Colonel or Naval Captain level are not automatically notable, but that officers at the flag level, that is Brigadier Generals and Commodores are automatically notable. And, apparently, Sandu was promoted to Brigadier General -- so automatically notable under that criteria as well. Geo Swan (talk) 04:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
You are entitled to your opinion, but the wording of WP:POLITICIAN could not be clearer; it applies to "Politicians ... who have held ... national ... office". Not civil servants, politicians. That means executives and legislators, period. And no one claimed ambiguity about what his role was, just that this role in fact did not automatically entitle him to an article. Finally, as I pointed out, he was not a general in the military, but in the police. - Biruitorul Talk 05:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • You claimed some kind of distinction under which police generals didn't count as generals, but, when asked to explain this distinction between army generals, who count as generals, and police generals who don't count as generals, you were completely silent.
If Sandu didn't rise through the ranks of the National Police, if, instead, politicians cherry-picked him from outside the National Police, and parachuted him to this national office, then he was a political appointee -- i.e. a politician. Geo Swan (talk) 11:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep This man has a number of accomplishments, and with better references he should have the inline citations to show notability.--DThomsen8 (talk) 21:42, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - let me start by clearing up a few points.
    • As Location notes, each Romanian ministry has at least a couple of state secretaries, and while a few of them rise to prominence in the public eye, most are senior civil servants with no particular claim to notability.
    • Regarding Geo Swan's observation, I'll note a couple of things. First, until 2002 (and keep in mind, Sandu was appointed in 2001), the Romanian Police had a military structure, meaning its employees had military rank, including that of general. So he was a police general, not an army general, to which WP:SOLDIER refers (at least I would infer that). In any case, military rank alone cannot substitute for coverage in reliable sources.
    • Second, WP:POLITICIAN refers to "Politicians ... who have held ... national ... office". Sandu is a civil servant, an agency executive, not a politician. And, not to raise a WP:WAX argument, but most heads of national police agencies actually don't have articles on Wikipedia, although whether they should have them is, I suppose, a separate question.
  • Having made these points, I don't think Sandu quite merits a "keep" vote based on an inherent-notability argument stemming from his positions. And in terms of sources: well, the article is glaringly lacking in those.
  • I more or less tend toward a delete (or perhaps userfy) on this one, unless the article creator can come up with some sources, in which case I might reconsider. - Biruitorul Talk 01:26, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Please explain what a "Police General" is. Perhaps, in recent centuries, most Generals and Admirals in Western countries are careerists, who rose step by step through each rank in the military hierarchy. This isn't true for all officers today, and certainly wasn't true for most of human history. For instance, at the time George Washington became a junior officer in a UK militia, officers almost always bought their army commissions. That brief militia experience in one of the UK's wars was all the genuine military experience he had before he became the General in charge of the Continental Congress's Army. How many of the officers in the Continental Congress's Navy had been career naval officers -- even briefly?
  • You say the Romanian Police had a military structure until 2002? The passage I quoted said he was promoted to Brigadier General in 2003.
  • JAG officers in the US military are still considered officers, aren't they? Some JAG officers were already officers, or enlisted guys or gals, who were sent to law school, or studied law at night school -- and joined the JAG corps when the got their law degree. Others however were lawyers, who volunteered, and were directly commissioned. I suggest this erodes your distinction between "police generals" and "army generals".
  • Sorry, I think the characterization of all appointees as "civil servants" is wildly unrealistic. Career civil servants, who join some civilian agency right out of finishing college, and or shortly after finishing college, take an entry level position, and then slowly work their way up from entry level to direct their agencies -- are they "civil servants" or "politicians"? I'll return to this later.
  • How much do you know of the careers of J. Edgar Hoover and Hyman Rickover? Both these gentlemen held their appointment for decades past the age when they would have been forced to retire. How? They were owed political favors by members of Congress who, once a year would pass bills, exempting them from the obligation to retire. Its proof, so far as I am concerned, that the holders of offices like Director of the FBI are politicians.
  • You realize that in Commonwealth countries the Governor-General and Lieutenant-Governors are appointees?
  • The individuals in the UK House of Lords and the Canadian Senate are all appointees.
  • Remember, in the US context, a surprising number of the senior appointments that are the POTUS's to appoint, have to be approved by Congress. Proof, I suggest, that those appointed are politicians.
  • In totalitarian countries, and traditional monarchies, all, or almost all, senior post are appointed.
  • Yes, sometimes those appointed to head agencies are individuals who rose through the ranks of their agencies. But, it would be a mistake to consider those individuals to be mere "civil servants". In general the guy or gal who starts at an entry level job, may start as a mere "civil servant", but as they rise in their agency, as they come closer to the level where the politicians who appoint the directors are -- when the directors aren't outsiders -- they have to learn to be politicians. I suggest, in the US context, it is rare for someone from within to be appointed director, if they hadn't already become politicized. Very rarely a careerist will be appointed who doesn't know how to schmooze with the other politicians. These individuals terms are completely ineffective, and they are likely to have their term end early or to resign, early.
  • Consider Eric Shinseki, who was Chief of Staff of the Army for the final two years of the Clinton administration and the first two years of Bush 43's administration. He had tried to totally reorganize the army, to prepare it for post-cold-war conflicts. Bush and his advisors didn't like Shenseki. The appointment is a four year appointment. But, just over two years into his term they announced his replacement. Unprecedented, the choice of replacement usually being made shortly before the appointment. I felt sorry for him, because his plans seemed wise, and he was turned into a lame duck. Chief of Staff is always the last appointment in an officer's career. But, Shenseki's political career wasn't over, as Obama appointed him Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
  • The officers on the Joint Chiefs regularly testify before various Congressional committees. So many of their duties are political -- like lobbying for funding, participating in choosing contractors. Look at George Marshall, who went from the JCS to Secretary of State.
  • IMO the shortcut WP:POLITICIAN was poorly chosen. Judges don't fit under the term "politician". IMO the shortcut politician should be deprecated, in favor of something like "WP:OFFICEHOLDERS". Geo Swan (talk) 06:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • To repeat: some police agencies have a military structure, with all their personnel given military-type ranks, from private to general. This was the case with the Romanian Police until 2002 - a date you can confirm, among other places, here, in the Interior Ministry's magazine. The passage you quoted, given that it's unsourced, is worthless: I do hope you realize, just short of a decade into your Wikipedia career, that content needs to be verified in order to be considered legitimate. (And in any event, the passage says he was made a general "following his appointment", which happened in January 2001.)
  • I said, and I think this is a common understanding, that WP:POLITICIAN refers to "executives and legislators". I did not say "elected officials", I realize that appointed legislators exist, so kindly refrain from lecturing me on that point. And I'm sorry, but no matter how much you push this point, you won't convince me that the US Ambassador to Bangladesh is a "politician" simply because he's subject to (unanimous) Senate confirmation. Of what party is he a member? What elected office has he held? What speeches has he given, rallies attended, PACs established, voters interacted with? That's how politics happens in America, and although the man is probably notable by virtue of being a US Ambassador, he's not a politician just because the Constitution happens to require Senate confirmation for him.
  • You are correct to say that many apparently non-political posts do require a fair amount of politicking - let's also mention General Eisenhower. But a) that doesn't make them politicians in the normal sense and b) people like, say, Hoover have had multiple books written about them. Sandu barely has a newspaper article mentioning him. At some point, it would be wise to come to terms with the lack of sources for this BLP and somehow address that. - Biruitorul Talk 15:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    • You acknowledge that WP:Politician applies to executives and legislators. Political appointees, who are appointed to be the directors of Federal agencies are executives.
    • With regard to ambassadors, there already is a special purpose notability guideline for them -- WP:DIPLOMAT. You directed us to the biography for a particular ambassador to Pakistan. Let me instead guide you to the articles on the USA's most recent Ambassadors to Canada.
    1. Bruce Heyman, Wall Street tycoon and lobbyist;
    2. David Jacobson, Obama associate and donor;
    3. David Wilkins, loyal Republican who lost an election;
    4. Paul Cellucci, loyal Republican who lost an election;
    5. Gordon Giffin, formerly a senior aide to Senator Sam Nunn
    6. James Blanchard, loyal Democrat who lost an election;
    • So far as I am concerned the former ambassadors parachuted in to be Ambassador to Canada who were lobbyists or political donors should also be considered politicians. Geo Swan (talk) 14:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment The given sources don't seem enough to meet GNG, but I don't know about whether his papers are enough to show notability. As I mentioned on the article's talk page, I do question the judo claims (which were not sourced to the subject) because there is a Florin Sandu who's a judoka, but we can see here [10] that it's a different person since he was 3rd in the national under 20 heavyweight competition in 2005 when the subject of this article would have been 55 years old. Finding sources was difficult because most of them refer to the footballer. Papaursa (talk) 03:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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  • I included this on the Military sorting because he was appointed a Brigadier General, and I remember those on the military wikiproject argue that Generals are inherently notable. Geo Swan (talk) 04:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - while we debate whether an agency head is necessarily notable, I'd like to stress a more basic flaw with this article: it fails WP:BASIC: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."
  • Such sources are entirely absent from the article, and until they are adduced, we cannot take any of its claims at face value. As it happens, I did find one reliable source concerning Sandu: an article mentioning the fact that he's now an attorney, and that one of his clients is a Gypsy mafia boss. Interesting, to be sure, but that doesn't do very much in terms of "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources".
  • So I ask again: where are the sources? Until that rather crucial question is answered, this cannot really be considered a valid article, especially keeping WP:BLP in mind. - Biruitorul Talk 05:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    • We have the WP:GNG, and we recognize that there are special cases, for which we have about a dozen special notability guideline. Paper encyclopedia cover political office holders at the National level even if they had absolutely zero accomplishments of note. Encyclopedias, both paper, and wiki, do this for comprehensiveness. If you chose to have a gap for the one office holder who accomplished nothing it looks to the reader like the information about that office holder is being censored. It is my interpretation that the special notability guidelines over-ride and supercede the GNG in the relatively rare case they apply. If Sandu fulfills the criteria of one or two special notability guideline why would it be relevant if he doesn't fulfill the criteria of the GNG?
    • With regard to police forces that use military rank, follow military discipline, and receive military training, those police forces are military forces, or at least, paramilitary forces. Canada has only one national police force, the RCMP. The RCMP was founded as the North West Mounted Police, and its military roots are clear to anyone. It was founded in reaction to the Northwest Rebellion, and its troopers were taught to fight like mounted cavalry. Canada contribution to the Boer War was a contingent of RCMP. They were not employed as military police, they were employed as long distance cavalry scouts.
    • If a police officer holds a military style rank I don't know why we wouldn't consider that WP:SOLDIER applies to him or her. Geo Swan (talk) 13:29, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep. If he was inspector-general of police for a national police force then he is quite clearly notable. A police general is as notable as an army general; any attempt to claim otherwise is utterly illogical. Let's suggest that the articles on directors of the FBI (a much smaller agency) should be deleted and see the response! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    • The FBI isn't a national police force, not in the way the Romanian Police is (or the Police national, or the Policía Nacional, or the Polizia di Stato). And a fairly major difference between FBI directors and Sandu is that there are copious references about the latter, but barely anything about the former. However, as it seems you aren't concerned with reliable sources, and are content to accept unverified content about a living person at face value, I suppose that argument doesn't hold water with you. - Biruitorul Talk 15:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
      • The FBI is a national law enforcement agency in exactly the same way that the Romanian Police is. It is not a police force (and I didn't say it was), but both of them are most certainly law enforcement agencies. It is also considerably smaller, as I said. Are you saying the FBI is more important than the Romanian Police or are you just trying to split hairs? I really do suggest you avoid that, particularly concerning law enforcement with someone who knows about law enforcement. Do you know why there's more about the directors of the FBI? Because the USA dumps everything on the internet; most countries don't. That doesn't mean Americans in senior government positions are any more notable. Since you don't know me, your last sentence is patronising and beneath contempt. Keep it civil. Am I "content to accept unverified content about a living person at face value"? No. But a quick internet search will confirm that Sandu was indeed head of the Romanian Police (e.g. [11]). That means he's clearly notable enough for an article. The quality of the article is irrelevant to his notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Necrothesp.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:23, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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True Love Conversations[edit]

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A radio call in program that is on a network, now maybe if it was something major something like this could have a page-but not so much for here, only refs are FB and Twitter. Wgolf (talk) 00:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to Manila Broadcasting Company or to a list of programs that they broadcast - I think this program actually does have quite a following (I occasionally get to tune in), but surprisingly there seems to be little coverage for the program itself. I can recall the host (Papa Jack) occasionally being interviewed by the newspapers' entertainment sections (mainly for his hosting the show, not about the show itself), so that possibly could establish notability for the host, but perhaps not for the program. For now, a redirect (rather than total deletion) is probably a better alternative. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • -Comment-Interesting enough the host has no page and I looked him up and nothing even links to that name!Wgolf (talk) 04:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Retarget to DZMB where the program segment is mentioned. As for Papa Jack's notability, I think that should be a topic for another day.--Lenticel (talk) 01:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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ElcomSoft[edit]

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Notability is not proven. XXN (talk) 11:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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From Ego to the Soul (Self Enlightenment) - Scientific Experiment[edit]

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Apparently the author's own thoughts on how to live a better life. WP:NOTWEBHOST WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 10:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete seems to be a rambling non-sourced personal philosophy and yoga advice screed. when paragraphs start with questions like: "Do you ever pray to your own Aatma? Do you ever rememebr your own Aatma duriing the day? Do you ever bow to your own aatma everyday?" and end with things like "હુાં મોક્ષ છાં હુાં મોક્ષ છાં મને મોક્ષ આપી દે મને મોક્ષ આપી દે" then we're no longer an encyclopedia. Cramyourspam (talk) 18:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete: The article is a mess. It was written from the author point of view. WP:NOTWEBHOST. Wikicology (talk) 19:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Prasuton Manorah (TV series)[edit]

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:NOTABILITY criteria. It has no Thai-language article and I don't read Thai, so there may be something I'm missing, which is why I chose AfD rather than prod. As it is an orphaned page, I couldn't propose a possible redirect title. Boleyn (talk) 11:59, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep The TV series is quite old. Good references to establish notability would be old newspapers (Thai Rath, etc.). Googling "บี มาติกา มโนราห์" (the famous actress+series name) will lead to Youtube video of the series, forum topics with old photos from series, and sites selling DVD of the complete series. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 14:20, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment It may be on Youtube, and there may be DVDs of it, but neither of these indicate notability. It is also important that its notability is WP:V verifiable. Are you able to verify its notability? It has been tagged for more than six years for notability, and no one has come up with sources to verify it in that time. Boleyn (talk) 18:07, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment: Although most of their representation in Wikipedia isn't well-written, Thai television soap operas generally receive a good deal of independent coverage in the media. I would expect any prime-time soap opera to have lots of entertainment news coverage during the period of its production and broadcast, therefore establishing notability per the WP:GNG. Since this one is from 2002, most of the coverage wouldn't likely exist online, but one should be able to locate them in newspaper archives, should one wish to. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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Bhojpuri Boys[edit]

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No evidence of meeting WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. This has been closed twice as no consensus because of a lack of responses. I'm hoping that the third time, this will attract more comments and that if not, it will be relisted several times so we can finally get an answer on this. It has been tagged for notability for over 6 years, so it is worth having it open for a while at AfD to sort it. Boleyn (talk) 06:56, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Strong Keep. See link to google books search. There are at least 4 books that have them referenced as important cultural figures.--Gaff ταλκ 20:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment As this is still failing to attract many respondents, I just wanted to repeat that this has already been closed twice as no consensus because of a lack of responses. I'm hoping that the third time, this will attract more comments and that if not, it will be relisted several times so we can finally get an answer on this. It has been tagged for notability for over 6 years, so it is worth having it open for a while at AfD to sort it. Boleyn (talk) 14:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. This band already meet the criteria 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 11 and 12 of WP:BAND and WP:GNG as well (look at the refs). I can't see why it is re-listed again and again while there is no reason for deleting it. Kingroyos (talk) 03:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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Dick Swanson[edit]

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appears not to meet notability criteria. Additionally, this article has 2 people lumped together as one (look at the references), and splitting doesn't solve the notablility issue (also note Ticket:2014091210002996, which concerns me starting this AfD). --Mdann52talk to me! 07:26, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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First of all I don't have log in to your ticket thing, so I can't verify what is the problem. Second, as I mentioned in my edit summary one of them have over 400 photos for various notable magazines, as the ref suggests. My suggestion would be to live at least one of them. Any thoughts?--Mishae (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep. This (details) shows that his archive is kept and catalogued by a major university, which I think indicates notability (in the normal sense of the word), and I think that there are enough bits and pieces about him on the web for the creation of an article. (There may be material in books and magazines too.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC) .... Elaboration: Keep an article on the Dick Swanson who was born in 1934. (I haven't yet formed an opinion on the 1933–2009 Dick Swanson.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. I think the main problem is that there are at least two Dick Swanson's that are photographers. The one born in 1934, raised in Illinois with the utexas.edu archive, wife from Vietnam, White House photos, etc.[12] / swansonphotography.com And the one born in 1933 in Michigan, died 2009 in Florida.swanson-media.com One of those (or a third Dick Swanson?) took a bunch of photos for the EPA in the 1970s and some of them ended up on commons, commons:Category:Dick Swanson. I think the utexas.edu one is the more interesting one, but there is very little biographical detail available online to use to make a proper biography. --Dual Freq (talk) 02:08, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment. Thank you for bothering to elucidate what I'd been too lazy to look into. ¶ The photographer of commons:Category:Dick Swanson is given a little fingernail [it hardly amounts to a "thumbnail"] sketch here. This work is hard to square with what's written in the CV of Swanson 1933-2009, though not completely incompatible with it. It's easier to square with the potted autobio of the other Swanson. Whoever the photographer was, I'd expect there to have been some correspondence between him and the relevant government agency; unfortunately the U Texas archive doesn't appear to include any correspondence, so we learn nothing here. -- Hoary (talk) 03:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep, but focus on Dick L. Swanson, photographer (b. 1934) of the U Texas archive and remove swanson-media.com related items. I found a handful of sources Talk:Dick Swanson#Dick Swanson (b.1934) and I think he meets WP:Artist. He seems well known in assignment photography, especially Vietnam related. A Day in the Life of the United States Armed Forces lists him amongst their list of "25 of the best military photographers". And his bio says his work is included in the permanent collection of the Museum of Modern Art.[13] Business Insider also thinks he is the same Dick Swanson of commons:Category:Dick Swanson and it would be nice to have a bio here since there are several dozen DOCUMERICA photos on commons. --Dual Freq (talk) 19:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment. Business Insider also thinks he is the same Dick Swanson of commons:Category:Dick Swanson. Yes it does, and it may very well be correct. However, I don't find it at all persuasive. (See my comment in the talk page.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment. Dual Freq subsequently found more, persuasive (if perhaps not citable) evidence for identifying the photographer of Philadelphia with Swanson 1933-2009 Swanson b.1934. (See the article's talk page.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:09, 21 September 2014 (UTC) .... edited Hoary (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
      • Actually, I was saying it is the Dick L. Swanson (b.1934) in Illinois and still living, the current subject of the article. --Dual Freq (talk) 23:36, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
        • You were indeed. (What an incredibly stupid thing for me to have written. I blame it on jetlag; others may blame it on senility.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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NBC Sunday Night Movie[edit]

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Unsourced list of films with nothing more in common than the timeslot for airing. The links itself are often not about the movie. The Banner talk 12:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to List of programs previously broadcast by NBC Common made-for-TV block that's well in the rear-view now; could never be comprehensive or well-sourced unless every week the movie aired was sourced, and going back to 1980? No way. Nate (chatter) 22:13, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep - While it started and ended as a one off fill in show, these movies were a staple of weekly programming through the 1980s and 1990s. It was something the NBC programming executives could pull out of the hat to fill a 2 hour block. Custom movies were produced and top box office movies were purchased. I sourced a list of movies and the ratings. There were at least four annual ratings where this "series" was in the top 30. Folks, that is significant. It would be irresponsible to delete an article on something that significant. Trackinfo (talk) 10:33, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Comment Not with a random context-less list of films and ratings which are impossible to quantify (and are confined to one era; the 2000's, when film ratings for all networks nosedived and just before NBC decided that Sunday Night Football would do a lot better). I understand the Sunday network movies did well for three decades, but in this form the article needs more work and a redirect to the 'list of article' mentioning the network's film brandings is more appropriate. Nate (chatter) 17:49, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I do not deny that this article needs more work. I found some additional information to base that work on. There is plenty more to google. At the moment, here, we are discussing the article's mere survival as a subject for wikipedia. I expressed my opinion: A top 30 Nationally rated American television show from the 80s is not something that deserves to be deleted. WP:NTEMP, notability is not temporary. That answers the question for this discussion. Beyond that, yes there should be improvement to the article, a discussion about the television ratings plummeting in the 2000s is valid here. The demise of the movie in favor of NBCs long sought opportunity to air football is valid. We could also discuss long form entertainment (2 hour blocks of programming, instead of half hours) and the creativity of programming executive decisions that lead to this. There is a lot that could be said to make this article better. Trackinfo (talk) 21:47, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep television history. and rival network's sunday night movie is listed Cramyourspam (talk) 15:17, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Benny Luo[edit]

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No significant notability outside NewMediaRockstars, which is itself at AfD. Recommend redirect to said parent article. Swpbtalk 14:54, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Gucci Vs Guwop[edit]

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Fails WP:NALBUMS for a standalone article. It is just one of the about ten "albums" that the artist has released in the last year. It did not chart at all, even on the genre charts and I cannot find any reviews for it either. It does not help that the article is the definition of a stub and the only ref is a link to buy the album. STATic message me! 15:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

It his third album released this year not ten. It would be around 10 if you counted the mixtapes and collaborative releases but this is just albums. The reason he released so many ahead of schedule is because the first album of 2014 "Trap House 4" was one of his best charting releases since he returned to rap from acting, so he tried to do two follow-up albums to capitalize on his return to popularity. The reason there is only one source is because there wasn't any information released through news outlets, (you know, because he's in PRISON) and every time I try and source something with Twitter it gets deleted even though it's ran by one of his managers.

All in all, you can't just choose to delete a page just because you don't support his marketing scheme for releasing music, which happens to be rapid releases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funkatastic (talkcontribs) 15:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Personally I think he's a terrible artist, but to delete this page for no reason other than thinking his releases are irrelevant is wrong. Give it time for someone to clean it up and include more links. BlaccCrab (talk) 12:21, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Neither of the users address the fact that the album does not meet WP:NALBUMS. I care nothing of his marketing scheme or do I think his releases are irrelevant. Do not try to put words in my mouth. If the album does not meet WP:NALBUMS, it is as simple as that. If there was no coverage, there was no coverage, and it should not have a Wikipedia article. STATic message me! 21:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
There's some coverage, I guess it could pass GNG. [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20] 2Flows (talk) 23:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • That is not significant independent coverage, it is routine trivial coverage. All the sources are nearly the same thing, just a few sentences and a posting of the album's stream. STATic message me! 20:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep Per coverage above. Koala15 (talk) 19:32, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete for lack of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Fails WP:NALBUMS. --Bejnar (talk) 03:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

More information has been added, including links. I spent hours searching for content, and am in the process of adding even more, I'm not sure if this was settled before now but it most definitely is now. Meets the standards link to above, thankfully we can all move on now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funkatastic (talkcontribs) 22:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Not substantial coverage, i'm afraid. Youtube and interviews and mere mentions don't make it. --Bejnar (talk) 04:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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John Honai[edit]

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Too soon? The only refs are just about how it will be made and nothing about if it is being made yet or not. Wgolf (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete...for now. The film's Pooja (IE: offical blessing and announcement) was held last month, and the topic of its production is getting a lot of media attention but. as filming has not yet commenced, we have a current failure of WP:NFF (paragraph 3). Allow undeletion or recreation as soon as filming is confirmed. If author Sanatan2014 wishes it userfied, I'd say most definitely yes. This one will be back. Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:20, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Mumbai Delhi Mumbai[edit]

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Non-notable film remake BOVINEBOY2008 17:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete for lack of significant coverage. At best WP:TOOSOON, at worst probably not ever notable. --Bejnar (talk) 19:52, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
The single citation is dated August 20, 2011 and references a tweet. --Bejnar (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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  • Keep this brand new article about a film by notable Indian director Satish Rajwade that is to be released September 26 (before this AFD is slated to end). With respects, the topic is sourcable and this AFD is what may be "too soon". We can let the sourcable/improvable stub remain and be improved over time and through regular editing. What say, Bovineboy, Bejnar ?? Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
They should have waited to write the article until there was significant coverage and not just hype. --Bejnar (talk) 05:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
That "hype" tends to be the case with all Indian films. My point was more that even with issues, this article was brand new on a film is due to be released on Friday and it could always have been nominated if it did not meet WP:NF after release. Why the rush to delete something that could be suitable in very few days? Why not simply suggest to its author that he keep it in userspace for a short while? Schmidt, Michael Q. 06:36, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Just as it would be improper to ask @Richa101091: about why the article had to be rushed into the Wikipedia before the film's release and before there was significant coverage; it would be improper to ask @BOVINEBOY2008: as to possible unstated extrinsic reasons for deletion nomination, because such actions would not presume good faith. --Bejnar (talk) 04:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, a temporary bold redirect without prejudice to writer/director Satish Rajwade or suggesting to an inexperienced author that a copy of his work might be best if kept as a draft for a short time, and then encouraging him to study WP:NF, would have been reasonable and not nearly as WP:BITEY as sending a brand new article to AFD. And as it was not a hoax nor a policy violation, was there really such a hurry? And while Marathi films are usually adapted from Hindi scripts, it is far less common to have a Hindi film adapted from Marathi.[21] Of course, now that we have confirmed release, and even with issues in sourcing Indian films, keeping this is now a simple matter of regular editing over time. Schmidt, Michael Q. 07:49, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, now that it has been released, it looks as though it is non-notable. See here. --Bejnar (talk) 06:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
To again disagree, the topic (finally) meets WP:NF... not based upon box office receipts or film popularity (or lack) but upon just enough coverage to meet the guideline. Heck, it's not a popularity contest, and even a total crap film can meet our inclusion criteria. What was first brought to AFD, as a 1113 characters (201 words) stub thought of as TOO SOON just 5 days after being contributed, is now a 2214 characters (375 words) Start or C class that serves our readers. Schmidt, Michael Q. 05:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Of course just meeting WP:GNG coverage is a case of YMMV, some of us discount hype and printing slightly reworded PR releases more than others. --Bejnar (talk) 22:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep Expansion work shows this meets WP:GNG and now the film has been released, it will have even more coverage. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:37, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Novelist (rapper)[edit]

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A rapper that falls under too soon, only link on here goes to the page novelist as well. No need for a page at least yet Wgolf (talk) 17:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep I created the article as Novelist currently meets the following criteria from WP:MUSBIO

1. He has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent. Including Resident Advisor, Fact (UK magazine), Mixmag, Complex (magazine) and The Independent

8. Has been nominated for a major music award - the MOBO awards recieve extensive mainstream coverage in the UK. The ceremony is broadcast live on ITV and the nominations have already been covered by the BBC, The Guardian, The Independent, Fact ect

11. his music has received national rotation in the UK on BBC Radio 1Xtra and Rinse FM

12. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network multiple times. BBC Radio 1Xtra dedicated substantial airtime to Novelist in a documentary about grime broadcast in 2013 and he has also recorded multiple guest set for the station.

I also think a strong argument can be made under 7. "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city." for his current prominence in the London grime scene. Arials101 (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


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7 Angels 7 Plagues[edit]

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I could find nothing to support that they meet WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Roopesh Peethambaran[edit]

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A director with only 1 film so far-and working on his 2nd. Too soon, maybe someday-but not yet. Wgolf (talk) 19:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment-I do think that a redirect to Theevram (the only film he has directed) might be a good idea also so the page does not go away when he has enough time to deserve his own page. Wgolf (talk) 15:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Diana Gonzalez-Whyte[edit]

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Non-notable Judge lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 17:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete County judges are not automatically notable and this article lacks the coverage required to meet the GNG. 131.118.229.17 (talk) 01:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete a county judge? non-notable, even with the OR speculative item, "thus becoming the first Colombian/American Judge by election in the State of Florida and likely the United States of America" --mighty weak claim to encyclopedia inclusion. Cramyourspam (talk) 18:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Nabi Misdaq[edit]

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Not a notable author. Writing a book on Afghan jokes translated into English will hardly bring notability. Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Comment. There are several pieces of information in the article that I would regard as more serious assertions of notability than the one mentioned by the nominator. Having said that, they don't exactly give strong grounds for keeping the article - but there's always the possibility of systemic bias when considering articles like these and, while I can't read it at all, the (presumably) Pashto Wikipedia article looks rather more substantial. Can anyone around look at it and report back? PWilkinson (talk) 12:36, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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Tweebuffelsmeteenskootmorsdoodgeskietfontein (2nd nomination)[edit]

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Notability has not been established. None of the references do that. Up and in (talk) 21:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Weak keep as a place that has a place in South African folklore. This is definitely not something for Wiktionary as suggested by some in the previous Afd. The place verifiably exists and there are some sources. The article needs more sources especially ones detailing its place in folklore, but that is not a reason to delete. I found several places where it was used in advertising, and elsewhere, to be a stand-in for a very rural location, i.e. "the middle of nowhere", but no academic discussion of this phenomenon. But I did find this sentence in the October 2014 Hartebeest Conservation Newsletter Like Pofadder, the farm has become a bit of a legend in Afrikaans folklore and is often used to depict typical farm culture in South Africa. --Bejnar (talk) 04:12, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep as a place and name that has cultural relevance in South Africa. The same arguments were made in the previous AfD discussion. According to traffic stats it sees about 1k views per month, so certainly not nothing. dewet| 11:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep historical use. long-words trivia too. national folklore status. Cramyourspam (talk) 15:01, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Arben Biba[edit]

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A obscure actor who is too soon if ever The only thing that links to him is Stinë Dashurie which only links to him (not sure how notable that is either!) Wgolf (talk) 22:15, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete as lacking in depth coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:17, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete: no evidence of meeting the WP:GNG. I searched for references to WP:RS to establish its notbility but futile. He his not just notable. I think this is WP:TOOSOON and WP:NYA. Wikicology (talk) 20:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment-the page Stinë Dashurie might need a AFD also. Wgolf (talk) 20:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
I think so. Let me conduct a research on it.Wikicology (talk) 21:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

SimplERP[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG with just 112 unique hits, including Wikipedia and related websites. Strong smell of advertising. The Banner talk 09:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Parikalpna Award[edit]

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Can't find anything remotely notable about this award on web. It's mostly Wikipedia's mirror sites and such. One source South Asia Today has covered press releases of events related to this award [22] [23]. Both articles are authored by a certain "Nazia Rizavi". The award is instituted by a Hindi-language author Ravindra Prabhat and in one of the AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindi Blogging ka Itihas, we established how User:Naziah rizvi and User:Mala chaubey have WP:COI with Mr. Prabhat. Hence requesting deletion for failure to meet notability WP:GNG and using WP for promotion. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Gregor Gracie[edit]

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Does not seem notable. Not much in the way of reliable sources.CrazyAces489 (talk) 09:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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The Oliovski Rotation Technique[edit]

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Unverified, unknown technique. I could find absolutely nothing about this supposed technique or its supposed developer at Google, Google Books or Google Scholar. PROD was removed by the article's author. MelanieN (talk) 08:59, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete apparent nonsense. Cramyourspam (talk) 15:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. Probably doesn't quite qualify as an A1 speedy, but there's sure not much here to go on. The only "Oliovski" I can find related to theater in any capacity is an unseen character in the Murray Schisgal one-act play A Need for Less Expertise. Whatever this article is intended to be about, it's either nonsense or non-notable. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Now That's What I Call Music 18 (N.Z. series)[edit]

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Non-notable compilation album. Didn't chart in the main charts and google isn't showing any in depth coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Dahlia's Tear[edit]

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Non-notable musical project. Talk page shows that at some point it was up for speedy deletion, but somehow that process was stopped, even though the discussion shows that no hint of notability has been given. Multiple wikipedias have the exact same poorly referenced article with next to no information at all. In the meantime, even the project's website seems to have disappeared. - Andrei (talk) 08:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete unsourced --or at least dead/expired links when given except for the band's myspace page. article author is a 1-subject (this band) writer, indicating possible autobiography or COI at work. no readily-apparent notability.Cramyourspam (talk) 15:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

STAR Utsav[edit]

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Fails the general notability guideline. Tamravidhir (talk) 08:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Marooned (band)[edit]

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This is a musical group that lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources to establish notability. Whpq (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


  • Keep- the Renaissance Faire community is a smaller one, but it's certainly larger than many other recognized communities, and it's been around a long time, too. The members of Marooned have been active participants in the community for many years and are well known. They are valuable contributors to keeping folk music in general (and pirate music in specific) a living, growing musical genre. Their contributions to historical and charitable projects alone would qualify them for inclusion in any reference work. - Juli McCarthy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.202.29 (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep-This musical group has received several awards within its community and has been performing since 1995. While Renaissance Festivals are a niche market, I'd argue against their being deleted simply because they are part of a niche. They have been reviewed within the Pirate community (Bilgemunkey Pirate Radio, Celtic MP3s Magazine, Renaissance Festival Music Podcast - All of which are notable members of the festival community) and won awards via the Renaissance Festival Music Podcast's annual "Renaissance Festival Awards", which certainly makes them notable within that community.Ceronomus (talk) 20:57, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment - I see you've added 19 references since the nomination. However, I don't see that any of those references, nor any of the ones present in the article at the time pof nomination qualigy as reliable sources for establishing notability. -- Whpq (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment - Bilgemunkey Pirate Radio was, at the time it aired, the #1 source for all things relating to Pirate Music. While the show is now off the "air" it still has a solid following. I'd say that is notable. The Renaissance Festival Awards from the Renaissance Festival Music Podcast (which include the Renaissance Faire Hall of Fame awards) are followed by every major player in the Renaissance Faire community (and the major faires, such as Southern CA, Bristol, and New York are certainly quick to mention their wins and to acknowledge them with pre-recorded statements) and have since been picked up in annual print by Renaissance Magazine. Again, this is something that is certainly notable within this market. That you choose to ignore sources notable in the genre doesn't make them non-notable, it just means that you are disregarding them. Indeed, within the Renaissance Faire community the only "notable" sources are the Renaissance Festival Music Podcast, Renaissance Magazine and, to a lesser degree, RenFaire magazine. The Pirate Music and reenactment communities sources of note are No Quarter Given magazine, Mutiny magazine, Pirates Way magazine, Pirate magazine, and Bilgemunkey. That you refuse to recognize these sources reflects more on your lack of knowledge in these particular scenes than the notability of the sources. You choose to disregard the most notable awards in the Ren Faire music category as notable so... I don't know as anything will change your mind. Ceronomus (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
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  • Keep-It looks notable enough to have a article.Wgolf (talk) 21:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
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  • Comment @Wgolf, Bdboyc: Simply declaring theyre' notable is not helpful. Please explain how they are notable with evidence to support your position. -- Whpq (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep - I'm actually a fan of this genre and the fact that they are part of at least 10 recordings is not insignificant in this field. I think multiple awards and press releases are relatable links for notability. Caffiendcc (talk) 19:49, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep- This group has been a defining influence both in the history of the national Renaissance Faire circuit musicians, as well as many Fandom and Gaming related conventions. They've contributed thousands of dollars in donations to multiple charities, as well as hundreds of hours of their time both towards performance and the conservation of the music created and performed by folk artists from all over the entire country. They have existed as a group for almost twenty years, and have friends and followers all over the world. This is by definition notable. DO NOT DELETE THIS ARTICLE.Cavalaxis (talk) 04:08, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep - I have watched this group perform in venues across the united states including but not limited to Ren fairs and conventions. This combined with their work on multiple charity albums with a variety of notable artists places them in a noteworthy category. While the Ren community,pirate based community and gamer communities are all specialized, the fact that this group has been seen by thousands of people attending events for these communities should not be ignored. To do so insinuates that the communities themselves have a lesser value because of the focused nature of the fandom. I believe the draw of Wikipedia is that it is a source of information for the public, by the public.please do not invalidate the very mission of Wikipedia by make a value judgment on what subcultures are not worth representing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billhatfield42 (talkcontribs) 04:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - This article can't link to oral history or paper history (Ren Faire and Con programmes and flyers), which are just as valuable a source as any online news article or website. Twenty years of history and contribution is notable.Cavalaxis (talk) 04:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep This group has albums available on Amazon and ITunes. They have performed in many environments including renaissance faires on both coasts, a promotional event for A&E, and every year for around 9 years for GenCon (the biggest gaming scifi/fantasy convention in the US I believe - though a couple of those years were at the smaller offshoot GenCon SoCal). They have been around since 95. One of the members held a significant position (artistic director I think) at the Bristol Renaissance Faire for multiple years. Another member has many audiobook and other voice over jobs under her belt. They are referenced in a book of sea shanties for one of their versions of a popular song. They helped to create a series of CDs of pirate music that donates all proceeds to New Orleans schools to buy musical instruments for the kids to learn with (in the wake of Katrina). They were approached by the creators of the role playing game system Sixcess to create a soundtrack for one of their settings - that is their newest cd, released in August of this year. Two of their members also created Modern Bard to collect and preserve renaissance faire music in all formats and from all performers possible. This is a group who is both constantly creating And constantly giving back to the music world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhoraigh (talkcontribs) 07:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep I believe the band Marooned meets the criteria for notability based on the previously cited references to contributions to the Renaissance and gaming genres in this discussion, and that the Wikipedia page should be kept. Marooned has been has been performing as a group at Renaissance Festivals since 1995 and has been an official performer at GenCon for over a decade. This years' GenCon attendance was a record unique attendance of 56,614, [2], and featured artists are exposed to a significant number of those attendees during scheduled performance times. Additional third party sources covering or supporting the notability of the band Marooned: [3] - GenCon article identifying Marooned as a featured GenCon performer for 11 years. [4] - interview with Marooned by Indie Nation (indienation.fm). Marc.a.bruner (talk) 16:21, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep I have seen this group at multiple conventions and other venues for a very long time. They are extremely recognizable and sought out for their long history and depth of their work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmessnet (talkcontribs) 19:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep I loved hearing their music on Bilgemunkey radio.. This Band is relevant to the Pirate Community ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.125.170 (talk) 23:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Keep – Properly evaluating the grounds this deletion request is based upon requires a review of Wikipedia’s standards regarding use of primary sources and notability guidelines for music, and then applying a test of reasonability. Maintaining standards is crucial for Wikipedia to sustain credibility and continue to be a primary source of information beneficial to all users. However, we must guard against an overzealous application of those standards which results in the deletion of articles that demonstrate comparable values through the use of subculture resources. The article in question provides over 30 references; the majority of these references are acceptable if we apply genre-specific values for recognizing reliable sources. For example, “Renaissance Festival Podcast”, sponsored in part by “Renaissance Magazine”, founded in 2005, offers bimonthly podcasts of notable music and entertainment from Renaissance festivals in the U.S. and is currently compiling data for the 10th Annual Renaissance Festival Awards, which Marooned has received twice. Or we can look at “Bilgemunky Radio”, a respected source of information, which produced over 200 episodes in 5 years, and reviewed multiple album releases by Marooned. While these sources may not be comparable in size and prominence to “Rolling Stone Magazine” podcasts to the general public, they are well known in the community comprised of members devoted to Renaissance festivals, Irish folk music, sea shanties and a cappella groups. Credit should be given to this article for being the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works as well as for placing in a major music competition. Marooned has played multiple venues across the United States, including nine years at GenCon, one of the largest gaming conventions in North America, which reported over 56,600 unique attendees this year. Again, the venue may not be comparable to the New York Philharmonic concert hall, but considering the record for highest attended indoor concert in U.S. history was set this summer (by George Strait at the Dallas Cowboy stadium) with an attendance of only double that number, it would seem that credit should be given for meeting this standard as well. By utilizing reasonable, comparable standards for this genre, Marooned would be considered notable by meeting more than one of the listed criteria. LVShadyLady (talk) 01:37, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

    • Comment - Let's not forget that Indie Nation has been around and covering independent musicians since 2010 and is certainly a reliable source in the indie-music scene.Ceronomus (talk) 22:43, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Keep - Marooned is a notable pirate/renaissance faire band with a prolonged history, established and regular release schedule (11 albums in 11 years, as of 2014) and were one of the first performers to be retained by Gencon to entertain convention attendees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.238.246 (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


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  • Comment - They have won two national awards in their field, have been cited in a book published by Mel Bay, they have been interviewed by IndieNation, have been covered by the Renaissance Festival Music Podcast (sponsored in part by Renaissance Magazine) as well as a number of others (Bilgemunkey Pirate Radio, RenRadio, CelticMP3s Magazine, Celtic Geek Podcast) and even have had coverage from the Indianapolis Star. They have performed at a major event (40k+ people) for eleven years. I think LVShadyLady above sums it up fairly well. Ceronomus (talk) 21:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. A bunch of minor mention mostly as part of promotional material is not significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The awards are not major. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - Even if one disregards the national awards in their field (which is an inclusive factor for notability, not an exclusive one), I don't see a whole lot of "promotional material" being cited here in this conversation as grounds for notability. As mentioned above, there is plenty of independent, reliable, coverage. Ceronomus (talk) 19:51, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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Lonesome orchestra[edit]

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There are no reliable sources to establish the notability. Google news search returns no hits [24], and Google Books search also returns no hits [25]. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Through the use of inline citations I hope to have added more strength to the article and a better overwiew of independent sources. Kind regards Arthur Kegels (talk) 21:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I have updated the page with independent sources and hope and trust this will apply as reliable and relevant. Lonesome Orchestra is relevant internationally partly because of their work with The City of Prague Philharmonic. Kind regards, Arthur Kegels (talk) 07:31, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • The article was stated as being an orphan. This is no longer the case as both Emmy Verhey's article and City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra refer to the Lonesome orchestra page. Arthur Kegels (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy delete g7, the page has one contributor, User:Maldoror2, who has now blanked the page twice. NawlinWiki (talk) 16:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The Edward Snowden Affair: Exposing the Politics and Media Behind the NSA Scandal[edit]

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No independent, reliable references except for local press. Fails WP:NBOOK. Bgwhite (talk) 07:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete: No evidence of notability. Article fails WP:NBOOK. In fact, the title of the article is a mess.Wikicology (talk) 08:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite Personal Bias

On author's main page Michael Gurnow it clearly states he was interviewed about The Edward Snowden Affair on Boston, Phoenix, Chicago, and New Orleans radio.

Book has also been reviewed by Pure Politics: http://purepolitics.com/

  • Book review of The Edward Snowden Affair by Dr. Wilson Trivino

Book is even still listed on Amazon.com as best seller in Civil Rights.

Bgwhite also deleted mention of these citations on author's main page prior to suggesting page deletion, suggestive of political or personal bias.

Suggestion this admin. be reported for deliberate abuse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maldoror2 (talkcontribs) 07:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned readdition (H2 heading removed) done by Hisashiyarouin (talkcontribs) 08:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment - note the author has a biography here, making the article obviously unsuitable for deletion (though perhaps suitable for redirection and/or merger, I haven't looked exhaustively for sources or anything). WilyD 08:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment: WilyD, the notability of a book is independent of its author. The author of a book can be notable, that does not implies that the book itself its notable. Also note that this discussion is about the notability of the book and not its author. Suggesting a redirect could be appropriate. Wikicology (talk) 08:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I've no idea why you'd direct that nonsequiter to me. WilyD 08:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
WilyD, I don't mean otherwise. Accept my apology if you find it offensive.Wikicology (talk) 09:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, no. You're just not getting your point across. (Or phrasing it awkwardly or something, I don't know). WilyD 09:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • We are unable to review said comment, because the Userpage has been conveniently deleted at request of Maldoror2 Gaff ταλκ 14:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Also, the aforementioned edit summary "edit summaries "This book does not exist"" is pretty clearly meant to be facetious or tongue-in-cheek. Gaff ταλκ 14:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
If you have some sources which show how the book meets the criteria set out here, please provide them. Otherwise, your behaviour is verging on disruptive. For my part, I !vote to Redirect to Michael Gurnow. Yunshui  11:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
A lot of books are bestsellers and don't have articles. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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  • Delete on the merits. There's no question that the book exists, but there's also no question that it is not (yet!) notable. No objections to a redirect, as proposed above. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 13:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment – I'd agree with a merge, redirect, or delete. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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CenterWatch[edit]

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Ken Getz at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Getz is the founder of this organization. Neither he nor this organization seem to meet notability criteria with identified sources. I talked with him and he told me he would provide sources but has not followed through. Could I have this userfied to user:bluerasberry/CenterWatch until the article has better backing? Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete - No indication of notability. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Userfy as suggested. Currently does not qualify for an article, but maybe Bluerasberry can improve it and bring it back. --MelanieN (talk) 08:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Nature's Housekeeper[edit]

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Fails WP:NBOOK. Has yet to be published. A search of its working title reveals no references on Google. Bgwhite (talk) 06:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

This book has been issued an ISBN, thus it approved for publication by the Library of Congress.

Moreover, Why are ISBN-granted/LOC books not worthy of inclusion but "upcoming films" are?

Here are a list of all the "upcoming films" listed on wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=is+an+upcoming+film+by&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maldoror2 (talkcontribs) 07:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Redirect to author's page Not enough material to show notability at the moment. Suggest redirecting to author's page (it is covered on that page under Current Works) and recreating the article once notability is demonstrated through media interest/reviews/etc. Stephen! Coming... 09:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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Westgate Mall Attack Controversy[edit]

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Full of original research. Majority of refs come from YouTube, Scribd and Photobucket. Alot of one or two sentence statements with nothing to tie them together. Doesn't make sense. Bgwhite (talk) 06:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete Have to agree here, due to the unencyclopedic style and use of sourcing. I'm not even sure what the key point of the controversy is. There were some confusing media reports during the incident, but this is entirely normal for a breaking news story. It is not in doubt that the attack took place and that around 70 people died.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:59, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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  • It is conceivable that something like this could be an article, but this could never be it. NOTNEWS, OR, poor writing, unreliable primary sources, etc. etc. Delete. Drmies (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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  • Delete Not sure what the controversy is, but it looks like the creator is trying to manufacture it. Agree that some of this material could be used in the attack article, but this doesn't really work. Too much original research and synthesis. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 16:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, there are all kinds of problems, esp. with the police/military response; that's been in the news plenty, and I assume that is already in the main article. "Controversy" is of course just a buzzword. Drmies (talk) 17:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. Original research, borne on the back of a litany of unreliable sources, giving undue weight to an alternative version of events that is, broadly, a conspiracy theory. Pick any two arguments for deletion from that description. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • delete beyond being an WP:OR conspiracy theory, its pretty incomprehensible. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:OR. textbook example. it belongs on a private blog, not on WP.Cramyourspam (talk) 18:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • [] Hi All links and citatations are to previously published, public information. Sites such as photobucket or scribd host clips, images, of unchanged, previously published, public information.ESPEEarrow (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete just a host of text & information without a clear point being made. Agreed with the original research as well. ///EuroCarGT 21:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Shane Dix[edit]

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Does not meet WP:BLP requirements. It has no reliable sources and no indication of notability. Nathan121212 (talk) 06:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment This should be re-categorised under Biography. Bondegezou (talk) 12:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. NorthAmerica1000 13:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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Lil jay[edit]

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Hoax? I'm not finding anything about this person. Gaff ταλκ 05:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Delete for failing WP:BASIC and WP:V and violating WP:OR, WP:PROMO, and probably WP:HOAX, and if all that falls through, WP:TNT. --Sammy1339 (talk) 05:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Speedy Delete as hoax.I am One of Many (talk) 06:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete and salt per above. Article already recreated numerous times, repeated CSD removal by author.--☾Loriendrew☽ (talk) 09:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
What is "salt" the article mean? And also, please change my nomination to AfD to Speedy Delete. Gaff ταλκ 14:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
see WP:SALT, to prevent continued article recreation or for other reasons.--☾Loriendrew☽ (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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2009–10 RB Leipzig season[edit]

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Not a team in a professional league. Fails WP:NSEASONS. Kingjeff (talk) 03:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following for deletion:

2011–12 RB Leipzig season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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Please show me the rule about it on wikipedia. Nikebrand (talk) 15:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

2002–03 Dynamo Dresden season 2001–02 Dynamo Dresden season 2000–01 Dynamo Dresden season1999–2000 Dynamo Dresden season1998–99 Dynamo Dresden season1997–98 Dynamo Dresden season1996–97 Dynamo Dresden season1995–96 Dynamo Dresden season2003–04 Dynamo Dresden season--Nikebrand (talk) 15:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I found it: "

Individual seasons

Shortcut: WP:NSEASONS Articles can be created on individual seasons of teams in top professional leagues, as these articles almost always meet the notability requirements. Team season articles should consist mainly of well-sourced prose, not just statistics and lists of players. Wikipedia is not a stats directory. It is strongly recommended that those articles be redirected to the team page if no sourced prose can be created. For college sports teams, weigh both the season itself and the sport (for example, if a US collegiate American football team and a US collegiate fencing team enjoy the same level of success, the football team is likely to receive a significantly greater amount of coverage): A national championship season at the top collegiate level is generally notable. A national championship season at a lower collegiate level might be notable A season including a post-season appearance (or, if there is no post-season competition, a high final ranking) in the top collegiate level is often notable. For programs considered elite in a sport (e.g., Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, in men's basketball; Tennessee and UConn in women's basketball; Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, USC in football, etc.) many or all seasons might be notable regardless of the outcome (the amount written by reliable sources on a weekly basis for some of these programs is enough that almost anything or anyone having any relation to them is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline).

In cases where the individual season notability is insufficient for an article, multiple seasons may be grouped together in a single article. This grouping might be based on head coaches, conference affiliation, or any other reasonable standard that results in sufficient coverage for the period to warrant an article." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikebrand (talkcontribs) 18:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

"In cases where the individual season notability is insufficient for an article, multiple seasons may be grouped together in a single article" supports a merger, not keeping the individual club season article. Kingjeff (talk) 19:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete all - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 20:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete all Past consensus has been that season articles are only worthwhile for clubs in fully professional leagues, and none of these seasons were spent in such a league. Number 57 21:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Idris Ackamoor[edit]

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Unsourced biography of a living person. Notability per WP:ARTIST doubtful. bender235 (talk) 03:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Weak Keep we do not delete articles that need cleanup. He seems to be an international touring entertainer of some modest notability.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Murodali Khudoyberdiev[edit]

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One of these volleyball players who is unotable that has a long dead link yet again Wgolf (talk) 03:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Phan Thị Cẩm Hồng[edit]

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Another one of those volleyball players that are unotable on here with a long dead link! Wgolf (talk) 03:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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The Blue Ruin[edit]

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a music group with nothing about it at all, and not a lot of info. Might be too soon if ever. Wgolf (talk) 02:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Jeffrey Landman[edit]

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A former child actor who has just been in 1 film-I think a link to the movie be the best IMO. Wgolf (talk) 02:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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The result was speedy delete. G11 Yunshui  10:19, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

FUCKuSM[edit]

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This looks like it lacks credibility and fails WP:GNG, but since it refers to a Korean language concern, I'm not going to CSD or PROD. I can't find anything credible, but again, I don't speak Korean... Gaff ταλκ 02:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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SPURS (band)[edit]

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Fails WP:BAND - no recordings released in their name, Googling Spurs Arcuragi Hartley (to siphon out many non-music related references but should find articles on the band) finds nothing indicating import. Article is sourced to an event listing, a streaming service listing, and an article that does not mention the band. Nat Gertler (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Love this band. It's a new project by Adam Arcuragi, was wondering where to find them. So excited about this!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reddredd (talkcontribs) 05:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete non-notable band spam. no albums. article even says "The band is set to release their debut studio album, in Spring of 2015" so we're still a year away from maybe having a debut album appear (WP:CRYSTAL). getting lucky once and being mentioned in a bbc web article does not make an otherwise obscure entity encyclopedia-worthy.Cramyourspam (talk) 18:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Added more reliable information, related articles and references, as trying to build out this article effectively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrieRacket (talkcontribs) 21:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The song "Cobra Tie" that was released on the charity album "Songs After Sandy" is a SPURS song, they listed as Adam Arcuragi initially, but on the physical release copies of the album, it is "SPURS, feat. Adam Arcuragi" please see the Last.fm page reference, wherein this is listen correctly. "Cobra Tie" is also on the upcoming album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrieRacket (talkcontribs) 21:19, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Japoñol[edit]

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The article was deleted per AfD in 2010 as a non-notable neologism. It was apparently re-created in 2012, but there is no evidence that it has become notable in the meantime. The three sources offered are dead links (and the two whose intended target I can surmise are dictionaries). No hits in Google News and only six in Google books (at least one of which appears to be a web scrape from Wikia). Fails WP:GNG and WP:NEO. Cnilep (talk) 01:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Keep. It receives detailed treatment in this book: [26] and this paper: [27], as well as numerous mentions in other sources including about six other books as noted above. --Sammy1339 (talk) 05:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Manolo Pedrosa[edit]

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Look, I'm a fan of Pinoy Big Brother (or at least I was, until All In happened). However, this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. He just got out of the PBB house less than a month ago, and the only actual acting stint he has so far is a role in yesterday's episode of Maalaala Mo Kaya. He may have some coverage here and there, but that's as an (evicted) housemate, not for his (soon-to-begin) showbiz career; thus, not an establishment of notability. No prejudice against recreation once his career takes off (which, given the history of previous PBB housemates, shouldn't take long), or against a redirect to All In's article until such time occurs that he gains independent notability. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete-Falls under too soon. Wgolf (talk) 03:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Afrotraction[edit]

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Does not appear to meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG Boleyn (talk) 07:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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Comment: There is this news item also but I doubt this and other sources (now in the article) show a clear notability. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 09:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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Dina Murić[edit]

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Not sure how notable this award is but I have been unable to find anything about her-looked up her name and got links to places like Facebook and Linkin for different people with the same name. Wgolf (talk) 00:11, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

-Forgot to put this-but has been a orphan for three years. Wgolf (talk) 00:12, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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Comment - Awards for young poets are intended to promote them. No matter how notable an award of this kind may be, I doubt it gives -only by itself- notability to a poet. To say the least, it is TOOSOON. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 09:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • -I agree it does fall under too soon. It's not like its the Oscar, Tony, Emmy, Grammy, Globes or any of those awards either I should add. Wgolf (talk) 15:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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The Blue (band)[edit]

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Contested prod. Sources include two short articles in what appear to be local French news sites, and the third is a blog; nothing to establish WP:GNG or WP:BAND. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I tagged it under construction ({underconstruction}) for some reason. The band meets WP:BASIC at some point. I am a France native and they (the band) is very popular. We might need a native French. Please stop tagging randomly if you don't know the notability of the band, in their country. Bdboyc (talk) 02:31, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
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CommentI assure you that I did not tag this randomly. What does "the band meets WP:BASIC at some point" mean? At what point exactly?OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Possibly notable: It would help to see some articles covering them in some depth from french (regional or better) newspapers. There is enough out there in terms of youtube videos, likes on facebook, etc., to suggest they might be notable. They don't have a French wikipedia article, though.--Milowenthasspoken 23:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
But seeing the only keep is from a blocked editor, and the original creator is also blocked (socks), this doesn't suggest that keep vote is worth a lot.--Milowenthasspoken 23:06, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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Fruity Pie[edit]

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A public television show with nothing about notability. (as amusing and odd as this show does sound part of me wants it to stay for that reason ha ha) Wgolf (talk) 21:46, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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    • I don't understand how this is more or less notable that any other children's show page, for example Thomas_the_Tank_Engine or Hook_Book_Row. A casual google search shows it airs every morning in the US and presumably in Taiwan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.16.12 (talk) 14:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Rsrikanth05-ooh good find, sounds like that could be notable. I think when I was looking over the article it sounded like a local show that isn't anywhere else but some town or something. Maybe a userfy?Wgolf (talk) 15:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I guess you could. Hey @Brain:, please have a look at the discussion here. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:12, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

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Stephanie Winiecki[edit]

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Too soon for sure, though I can see her having a page someday, just not today! Wgolf (talk) 01:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete non-notable actor-spam. voiced one animated character in a not-yet-released dvd. no other known credits. Cramyourspam (talk) 18:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Arlington Academy of Hope[edit]

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Totally non notable, no substantial sources can be found. I'd have used A7 except it survived a previous afd as non consensus many years ago. DGG ( talk ) 00:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Keep: Surprisingly, I found the following sources, at least some of which are reliable and offer significant coverage: African Sun-Times, Washington Post, American Chiropractic Association, On Purpose (book). --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Keep. Great work Dr. Fleischman! I was about to say delete but those are good sources, no question. --Sammy1339 (talk) 05:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep Good work DrFleischman. That prompted me to search HighBeam and I found more; I add six references to the article including a nice in-depth article from the Washington Post for 2005. I am One of Many (talk) 06:37, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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Bharat Bahadur Shah[edit]

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Another one of these volleyball players who are unotable on here! Wgolf (talk) 00:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Abdullah Al-Awlaqi[edit]

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Another one of those volleyball players who are unotable that has had a long dead link. Wgolf (talk) 00:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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File:PPL Center.jpeg[edit]

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  • A much larger version of this photo appears here and a lower resolution version is also published here. Given the user's other upload, I don't think the self-made claim is credible. Mosmof (talk) 14:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Files for deletion[edit]

October 1[edit]

File:Marvel Cinematic Universe timeline.jpeg[edit]

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This doesn't seem to satisfy WP:NFCC#8 and is also replaceable by text. Stefan2 (talk) 13:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete, in addition to Stefan's comment, it doesn't seem to serve much purpose as you cannot actually read it anyway. --kelapstick(bainuu) 16:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

File:Sinclair C5 Gus Desbarats.jpg[edit]

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Per WP:NFCC#8. Stefan2 (talk) 13:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Keep. The image provides necessary contextual significance to the article. It is being used to illustrate how Sinclair responded to concerns about the safety of the C5, and additionally depicts the industrial designer of the C5 in the vehicle at the time of its production. As such, it also has historical significance in depicting an unrepeatable event. Removing the image would harm the reader's understanding of the topic by not providing an illustration of the comparative ride heights and not showing how Sinclair responded to that issue. Prioryman (talk) 19:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

File:Fia Starr Roan.jpg[edit]

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File:Fico.jpg[edit]

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File:Fictional review.jpg[edit]

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File:Fiddy2logo.jpg[edit]

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File:Fidelis class10.jpg[edit]

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File:Fieldbrook police.jpg[edit]

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File:Fierce telecom award to RGCOM.jpg[edit]

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File:Fightclub.GIF[edit]

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File:File-Andrew sitting in class being nonchalant.jpeg[edit]

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File:File.gifple.jpg[edit]

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File:File0006.jpg[edit]

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File:Filmlogo.png[edit]

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File:Film-crash-hoarding.jpg[edit]

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File:Filo.gif[edit]

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File:Fin de siecle colour sheet music on a floor.jpg[edit]

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File:UK SBA EEA.png[edit]

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There is no source for the copyright of the base map, however on top of that, there is no source for where the UK's "potential claim to an EEA off Cyprus" comes from. As the file was uploaded by a now blocked sock (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive827), I am pretty sure this map is just made up. kelapstick(bainuu) 16:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Categories[edit]

October 1[edit]

NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]

Category:Geology literature[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Geology literature is not correct english satusuro 14:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:People on the autistic spectrum[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I personally have never heard it referred to as the "autistic spectrum", and while that isn't grounds for a rename, our article sits at autism spectrum. Apart from consistency in naming, if you look at the Google hits for the two we have 2.5 million for Autism Spectrum and about 523,000 for Autistic Spectrum. Further, the outcome of this discussion should apply to Category:Fictional characters on the autistic spectrum‎, but not to Category:Autistic savants. kelapstick(bainuu) 11:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Compositions by V. Harikrishna[edit]

Nominator's rationale: The contents are not musical compositions but films. See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 24#Category:Compositions by Rahul Dev Burman. --Tijd-jp (talk) 10:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Mexico‎[edit]

Nominator's rationale: There are currently only Roman Catholic bishops in the Bishops of Mexico tree so it is not meaningful to have two categories. Possible alternatives: downmerge instead of upmerge, or upmerge and rename back into Roman Catholic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose Just added an Anglican bishop to the category and this has further room for growth since two Orthodox churches (OCA & Antiochian) have bishops in Mexico. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose per RevelationDirect.--kelapstick(bainuu) 12:07, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose I am surprised that Marcocapelle would make such a nomination. Even a junior editor would know that this cat is part of a long tree structure and also has ample opportunity to grow. I would urge him to withdraw the nomination. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:American Anglican bishops‎[edit]

Nominator's rationale: to make it more clear that this is a country category, not a nationality category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support reasonable clarification. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support bishops in America are not inherently American. Although see my comment below in the Jamaica section regarding in or of. and have a look at Category:Italian bishops (the contents not the probably improper name). --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per nom Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Bishops of Jamaica[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Per main article these are Anglican bishops, in contrast to Roman Catholic bishops in Jamaica who are in another category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I presume that the category is named "of Jamaica" because Jamaica is not only a country but also the Anglican diocese. Personally I don't have a clear preference for either "of Jamaica" or "in Jamaica". Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support Jamaica is an exception: for the Anglican Communion, the bishops may be said to be both bishops in and bishops of Jamaica. In the RC church, there are multiple dioceses so the issue does not arise. IT should then be a child of Category:Bishops in Jamaica. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Pretzel knots and links[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Pretzel knot is a vague term that can mean a type of rope knot or bracelet knot, a soft pretzel with garlic, or a mathematical concept. Category:Fixed points (mathematics) shows an example of this approach. (Alternatively, we could use Category:Pretzel links since the main article, pretzel link, is much less ambiguous term but this is a subcategory of tree with a clear naming convention: Category:Knots and links.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:19, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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  • Background @Hyacinth: I recently created Category:Pretzels and there is no main article for pretzel knot. That may or may not sway your opinion but that's where this nomination is coming from and I should have mentioned that in the nomination. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


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October 1[edit]

Stéphane Chazelas[edit]

The helpfulness of this redirect is very questionable. The subject of the redirect is claimed to be the discoverer of its target article's subject, but it doesn't seem like the subject of the redirect is explained in detail enough to be a helpful redirect to this page. (For example, there isn't a section dedicated to the subject of the redirect to explain who/what the subject is.) So, basically, delete per WP:REDLINK. Steel1943 (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


  • KEEP I added four references to additionally prove the significance of the software engineer behind the findings. They were removed as references.
Copied here: Stéphane Chazelas'

Student erotica[edit]

Delete. Link is to non-existent section created by banned user. Sticky search term, so I'm uncertain "student erotica" is (or was) anything beyond a neologism being aggressively promoted by this user.

A more specifically appropriate redirect target would also be acceptable. / edg 21:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Supreme Military Council (Syria)[edit]

Why is Supreme Military Council (Syria) redirected to Syrian National Council? Is that based on any source, for example? --Corriebertus (talk) 16:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • note nomination formatted, creator notified and redirect tagged. Thryduulf (talk) 20:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Wilberforce College[edit]

Delete per WP:REDLINK. There's only one mention of the college in the target article, and the subject deserves its own. BDD (talk) 14:50, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Skyquake[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was boldly overwritten with project tags by Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Preventing Skyquake from having its own talk page, which should be redirected from Talk:Mistpouffers. : Noyster (talk), 11:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Savannah Summers[edit]

Should be deleted as there is no mention of this wrestler in the target article. Rationale similar to that of a recent AfD (Buddy Murphy) where the admin deleting addressed the redirect option as non existent for this reason. It will also prevent the most recent IP (before me) from creating the article again - it would have to be an established user. 144.137.40.224 (talk) 05:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Templates[edit]

October 1[edit]

Template:Saint Peter's Academy[edit]

Template:Saint Peter's Academy (edit|talk|history|links|logs|delete)

Appears to have been created by an editor who thought s/he was creating an article. PamD 18:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Miscellany (WikiProjects, user pages, etc.)[edit]

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#2014-10-01

Deletion review[edit]

1 October 2014[edit]

Draft:Seven the General[edit]

Draft:Seven the General (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

The draft was deleted by RHaworth under G5. It was last edited and submitted by User:GjonPreni. See User talk:GjonPreni#After discussion with this user for Fluffernutter's summary of the account's history; the short of it is that GjonPreni's former account is (now-blocked) User:Seventhegeneral, but GjonPreni was unblocked after the accounts were connected and is not currently blocked. Thus G5 does not seem to apply. Personally I'd have preferred a low-key resolution but RHaworth preferred to send me to User:RHaworth/moans#DRV, which brings me here since I don't intend to wheel-war. Huon (talk) 19:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Overturn since the user was given a good faith unblock use of G5 isn't appropriate here, and in any case the page was created almost a week before the any of this person's accounts were blocked so they weren't evading a block by posting it. Hut 8.5 19:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Ron Duncan[edit]

Ron Duncan (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ron_Duncan

Article has been userfied and improved

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CrazyAces489/Ron_Duncan

Phoenix Marie[edit]

Phoenix Marie (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

This article was deleted despite what appears to me to be an unambiguous consensus to keep it. It was relisted twice due to lack of consensus, after which four editors voted keep. Believing the result was clear, I participated minimally in the discussion, merely endorsing another editor's position. After it was deleted, I addressed my concerns to the closing admin, Drmies, who suggested that I appeal the decision here. He explained that he found the "keep" arguments flimsy, but as only one editor voted "delete" and the comments of the six "keep" voters included what I perceive to be legitimate arguments which were dismissed without explanation, it's my feeling that his decision amounted to overriding the discussion rather than interpreting it. --Sammy1339 (talk) 04:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • An understandable concern. I hear "flimsy keep arguments", and am familiar with a porn-inclusionist group who argue hard to keep the broadly discredited guideline WP:PORNBIO from realistically providing guidance as to what makes a pornstar Wikipedia-notable. In short, it is whether independent others have published secondary-source commentary on the subject. Mere nominations, even awards, reported without commentary, don't support encyclopedic content. Wikipedia is not a directory of pornstars and their statistics. There are other online, contributer-welcoming outlets for documenting pornstars. Wikipedia is particularly sensitive about this subject, not because it is unpalatable or anything like that, but because the sources are promotional.
Could someone please temp-undelete the article so that this case may be reviewed specifically. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I didn't say "flimsy keep arguments", those are not my words--but it captures something of the spirit, yes. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Done. There wasn't ever anything on Talk: besides wikiproject templates. —Cryptic 08:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Endorse. AfD is not a vote, it's a discussion based on policy. And the article does not in any way prove any notability, as clearly stated in the delete !vote and by the closer. Thomas.W talk 08:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Endorse Had I seen this, I would have voted delete. We weigh votes and arguments against policy rather then count them and a keep argument that has been discredited has less value then policy based delete arguments. Sources win articles not uncredible assertions pulled out of thin air. Good close. Spartaz Humbug! 08:30, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Restore I vote to restore the article. I understand that there is a policy regarding "notability" however, I believe there is more to a Wikipedia article than whether or not it meets specific rules. Phoenix Marie is a very popular performer within this industry. She is very well-known to those that enjoy this medium, to the point where she is recognizable outside of the industry. But what I would consider the value to keeping the article on Wikipedia is whether or not she is worthy of being remembered in future generations - to which I vote yes. Hobbamock (talk) 12:17, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Endorse this is a clear example of AfD not being a vote. WP:PORBIO is clear in its application and the keeps were looking for an exception (nominations vs. wins). The Big Bad Wolfowitz made an argument for deletion based on our inclusion guidelines, this was only refuted by claims that the article should be included despite not meeting said guidelines.--kelapstick(bainuu) 12:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Restore per arguments presented in AfD by keep voters. Keep voters used WP:COMMONSENSE and suggested we WP:Ignore all rules. It is ridiculous to disregard Phoenix Marie's many accomplishments throughout her career just because she didn't win an award. As several AfD participants said, Phoenix Marie is one of porn's most well-known stars. She is notable. Rebecca1990 (talk) 15:17, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
She may be notable among porn fans, and in the porn business, but she's clearly not notable by Wikipedia's standards. And there's no such thing as "ignore all rules" when it comes to notability, if there was Wikipedia would be turned into a resumé site like LinkedIn and similar. Thomas.W talk 15:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
This just proves that WP's notability guidelines are too strict. You just admitted that she's notable. Rebecca1990 (talk) 15:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
No, I didn't. I explicitly wrote that she is not notable by Wikipedia's standards, which is what matters here. And why should we make an exception for Phoenix Marie when we don't make exceptions for professors, businessleaders, stars/starlets in mainstream movies and television, singers etc.? Thomas.W talk 15:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
We have articles for all of those--except professors, haha. Also, you can't really invoke IAR if you argue for "regular" notability based on awards and coverage etc. Drmies (talk) 19:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Endorse - Non-notable adult "actress", as noted by the votes in that AfD that actually matter; minor award + simple nominations no not add up to notability. "Keep per IAR", coming from one of the perennial porn POV-pushing editors in the project, carries zero weight whatsoever. Tarc (talk) 15:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd have !voted delete too if I still hung around AFD, and I think this was ultimately the correct outcome, but I'm really not comfortable with this discussion. It's not unreasonable at all to pass by a deletion debate that looks like it's strongly tending the way you want, especially if it's unanimously so after a relist—and that's essentially what the DRV nom did. So, @Sammy1339: what would you have written instead of just "Keep per Rebecca1990" if you'd instead been facing down a wall of 5:2 deletes? I haven't seen you around DRV before, so be aware we normally put a much higher emphasis on the WP:GNG than subject-specific notability guidelines, and WP:PORNBIO in particular is poorly regarded; in-depth reliable sources are far and away the best way to convince us. —Cryptic 17:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Endorse this debate had people accurately citing notability guidelines on one hand and appeals to WP:IAR, WP:COMMONSENSE, hit counts and arguments that the notability criteria should be rewritten on the other. There's only one way a debate like that can be closed. The closing admin didn't dismiss the comments without explanation, they wrote a closing rationale. Although PORNBIO is widely disregarded as a suitable standard the argument in the AfD was that the subject didn't even meet that minimal standard. Hut 8.5 19:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)