Wikipedia:You do need to cite that the sky is blue

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The color of the sky will vary depending on local conditions and perspective of the viewer

It is sometimes felt that "obvious" statements, such as "the sky is blue" do not need citing. However, there are some reasons why you do need to cite the "obvious", such as that the sky is blue.

Even the most obvious and simple assertion may need an explanation. The statement that the sky is blue needs explaining that it is due to Rayleigh scattering. Citing the sources which explain why it is blue would be valuable to all readers.

Readers come from different backgrounds and with different knowledges, cultures and experiences. It would be inappropriate to assume everyone's knowledge is the same.

Before making a statement, no matter how trivial or "obvious", make sure that it could not be misinterpreted or challenged.

Reasons[edit]

  • In certain contexts, such as in the sky article itself, and in the Rayleigh scattering article, there are reasons and physical mechanisms causing the sky to be blue which need explaining by expert sources.
  • Some editors may dispute apparently simple and obvious "facts". A statement that "the sky is blue" may be questioned because the sky frequently has a different colour - challengeable statements need sourcing.
  • A cite to a reliable source reassures people, even when the statement appears obvious.
  • The reason why the sky sometimes appears blue is technical, and requires an explanation which needs citing, if the technical discussion is at all relevant to the topic at hand.
  • Be aware of Wikipedia:Systemic bias and consider that people from other countries may not have the same perspective or common knowledge.
  • Be aware of the individual and unique nature of each of our readers.
  • Scenario: You type into Wikipedia, 'Public exposure of male sexual organs to women and children is generally considered child abuse, indecency, or dishonorable.' Your reasoning is that what you consider a basic feature of etiquette doesn't even appear in academic literature: it is common-sense. However, in different cultures or subcultures, men might do so without shame or dishonor.[1][2] Conclusion: cite even what you consider basic human decencies.

Expert debate[edit]

The question is not whether readers can or can not be expected to have knowledge of a certain fact, but whether the fact in question is a relevant point of debate in the expert literature on the article topic.

If there is any doubt about the claim addressed in the relevant literature, you should cite it. If the relevant expert literature does not bother to address a point (e.g. because it falls under WP:FRINGE, and its mere mention, if only to debunk it, would lend it WP:UNDUE relevance), it is likely that the corresponding Wikipedia article shouldn't, either.

It's easier to find a citation than to argue over why it is not needed[edit]

If it really is common knowledge, it really isn't that difficult to source. For example, this source supports both the idea that the sky is blue, and that the blueness of the sky is common knowledge:

A field guide notes that "the blue sky is so commonplace that it is taken for granted"[3].

One can go on to mention that the poet Robert Service says "while the blue sky bends above/You've got nearly all that matters".[4] Songwriter Irving Berlin wrote of "Blue Skies smiling at me," airmen fly into the wild blue yonder. And one can, of course, cite Rayleigh's paper, "On the scattering of light by small particles," Philosophical Magazine 41, 275: pp. 447–451.

The "obvious" isn't always obvious[edit]

When a statement that you feel to be obvious is challenged, try to think of a person (such as a person in a foreign country) to whom the statement might not be obvious, or a situation in which your obvious statement might be wrong.

The sky actually appears to be blue less than half the time. Some conditions under which the sky may not appear blue:

  • During the night, the sky appears black. Without light from the sun creating Rayleigh scattering, the sky cannot be seen as blue,[5] except in certain conditions when the moon is up.[6]
  • Clouds can obscure the color of the sky. With cloudy weather overhead, the sky can be whitish, grey, or even black.
  • Natural disasters, such as forest fires, can lead to a haze over the sky, making it appear orange or red.
  • In the Bible, Jesus says to the Pharisees "When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red"[7].
  • Naturalist M. Minnaert notes that "At twilight, salmon reds, oranges, purples, white-yellows, and many shades of blue can be seen."[8].
  • Songwriter Oscar Hammerstein wrote of "when the sky is a bright canary yellow."[9]
  • On other planets, the sky is almost never blue.
  • People with tritanopia (commonly known as blue-yellow color blindness) may see the sky as green instead of blue due to absence of blue cones in their eyes.

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. ^ http://img.chinasmack.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/naked-man-during-the-2013-yaan-earthquake.jpg
  2. ^ http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/more/jokes-humor/the-encyclopedia-of-embarrassment-earthquakes.html
  3. ^ Schaefer, Vincent J.; John A. Day (1998). A Field Guide to the Atmosphere. Houghton Mifflin Field Guides. ISBN 0395976316.  p. 155
  4. ^ Service, Robert (1940). Collected Poems of Robert Service. G. P. Putnam's Sons. ISBN 0-399-15015-3. , "Comfort," p. 67
  5. ^ Franklin Evans Roach, Janet L. Gordon. The light of the night sky. Springer Science & Business, 1973 [last update]. Retrieved 4 April 2011. 
  6. ^ What color is the night sky?, Joseph A. Shaw, optics4kids.com
  7. ^ The Bible, Matthew 16:2 (King James version)
  8. ^ Minnaert, M. G. J. (1993) [1974]. Light and Colour in the Outdoors. Springer-Verlag. ISBN 0-387-97935-2.  p. 295
  9. ^ Bauch, Marc. American Musical. Tectum Verlag. ISBN 382888458X.  p. 42