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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
I don't like this page's name. I want to rename it to Articles for discussion or something else.
Please see Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Rename_AFD. Note that all of the "for discussion" pages handle not only deletion, but also proposed mergers, proposed moves, and other similar processes. AFD is "for deletion" because the volume of discussion has made it necessary to sub-divide the work by the type of change.
You mean I'm not supposed to use AFD to propose a merger or a page move?
No. Please use WP:Proposed mergers or WP:Requested moves for those kinds of proposals.

The Hundred Parishes[edit]

Requesting parts II and III to be completed for the above entry, as per [1]. (talk) 14:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Need registered user to complete nominate for deletion process[edit]

I nominated Gennady_Stolyarov_II for deletion and need a registered user to complete the nomination process. Thank you.

Yes check.svg Done - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gennady Stolyarov II. Ansh666 22:41, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

AfD discussion speedily deleted[edit]

Hello, I proposed an article for AfD [Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Citycon] at the same time that another editor proposed it for speedy deletion. The article was speedily deleted, but the AfD remains up. Do I just close it with a speedy delete decision? Upjav (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

  • An non-involved Admin or editor normally closes those kind of AfDs if the speedy deleting Admin accidentally forgets to. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:25, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Awesome, thanks. Upjav (talk) 18:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. --Finngall talk 18:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

What can I do for it not to be deleted? I really want it to be accepted.Or please someone edit it for me.. so that it can be accepted?. (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Uninvolved administrators[edit]

In poking around in the AfD archives, I was surprised to come across a case (several years ago) which was summarily closed as "keep" by the editor (incidentally an admin) who had created the page under discussion (!). I was even more surprised that the instructions do not explicitly forbid this, since they define an uninvolved administrator as "one who has not participated in the deletion discussion". As an administrator myself I would not dream of closing an AfD if I was "involved" according to the more general definition at WP:UNINVOLVED. In fact, since that page is a policy and this page is not even officially a guideline, I believe that the wording here has no effect. In order to make this clear, I am changing it:

From: An uninvolved admin (i.e. one who has not participated in the deletion discussion) ...
To: An admin who is uninvolved and has not participated in the deletion discussion ...

Better ideas are welcome. Zerotalk 13:17, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

There could be legit cases here, however. Without seeing the AFD in question, it's hard to tell. For example, a case I could see is if the closing admin's only previous action on the page to be deleted was to salt it with a redirect, or perhaps move a userspace draft into mainspace as part of a request, and nothing else (no content generation, etc.) then there's no reason that the admin could also be the closer of the AFD on that. --MASEM (t) 14:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I would say if an administrator has acted only in an administrative manner towards and article then they are not involved. Involved, as defined for the purpose of administrative actions, means involved in a content dispute.
Again, as Masem said, without knowing the precise case I cannot say if anything has gone wrong or not. Chillum 14:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you both, but I don't think further words are required since it is a general principle that administrative actions do not constitute "involvement". It says so in the policy at WP:UNINVOLVED. Zerotalk 00:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Speedily deletion nomination/Articles for deletion redirected page[edit]

Hello. Can you please delete the redirect article so click here: Spartan race (company). I think we can add a tag using speedily deletion edit for the Spartan race (company). Thank you. Bryancyriel (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:54, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Added a G7 tag. Ansh666 03:15, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Needs to be split[edit]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PrimeFaces needs to be split into a second nomination. Sorry, no time, must go. – Fayenatic London 18:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Ansh666 19:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

August 30th is missing from lists of open AFDs[edit]

At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old/Open AfDs, August 30th is missing. I'm guessing Mathbot messed up somehow, since it seems to be what fills in those pages. Can someone please fix them so that August 30th is listed. I tried adding a header for August 30th at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old/Open AfDs but I think I messed it up (linking to the wrong day), and Mathbot just removed it. I'm not sure whether trying again and linking to the right day would work, so I figured it was better to just ask here and have someone who knows what they are doing fix the problem. Calathan (talk) 16:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the bot messed it up. I don't know why. Unfortunately, once it misses a day, it cannot come back and insert it, as perhaps a human editor removed that day. I put August 30 by hand, and the bot respected that link when I started it. If such a glitch happens again I will take a closer look at the source code. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Contradictory instructions for non-logged-in users[edit]

The page first says an IP editor should post both on the article's talk page and then on this talk page, and then contradicts itself by saying it's not possible for an IP editor to complete the process; the template says an IP editor should post only on the article's talk page. So that is three paragraphs all saying different things! Which instruction is the correct one?--greenrd (talk) 23:13, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

  • I dunno, but I always thought the "talk page" part was a pain in the ass. I'd prefer the policy be just "make a post on WT:AFD noting the article and the reason for deletion" because then I can just copy their post and add the template myself. Protonk (talk) 01:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Daily AfD pages are getting too long[edit]

At the moment, no fewer than four of the last seven daily AfD pages are showing up in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded - basically, this means that the total length of the AfD articles to be put on the page gets so long that they can no longer all be transcluded, and the final AfD articles on the page only show up as links. This immediately makes looking at the AfDs concerned (no matter commenting on them, if necessary) a far longer process, particularly as the daily AfD page concerned is so long that it can take half a minute to reload whenever one goes back to it. And we don't really want to be doing anything that discourages editors from looking through AfD discussions. There are a number of at least theoretically possible solutions to this problem - increasing the maximum allowed length of pages after template inclusions, cutting down somehow on the number of AfDs, cutting down somehow on the length of AfDs, relisting fewer AfDs (particularly already long ones), spinning off relisted AfDs onto a separate page, and no doubt more. Each seems to have some difficulties or drawbacks - but surely we can come up with something that on balance improves the current situation? PWilkinson (talk) 16:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The other irritating thing is the "too many people are viewing this page" notice which is more & more constant here, To be honest personally I think the entire AFD system needs hugely updating as we're in 2014, Not 2004, Only solution I have is instead of 1 page a day - Have 2 pages ? .... –Davey2010(talk) 02:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
One page per day per category (e.g., Monday's biographical articles)? Given it is possible people are interested in particular types of AfDs it might make it easier to navigate too. QuiteUnusual (talk) 13:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I'd support either sort of breakdown into multiple files, it would require some script work, I'm sure. I don't believe that we should let technical considerations drive the content of deletion discussions--if there's a problem with relisting (and one can argue that there is, and/or that there is a problem with AfD participation), that should be discussed separately, but I think that trying to fix that in order to work around the template inclusion limit is a short-term band-aid that isn't likely to prove a useful long-term solution. Let's just fix this right. --j⚛e deckertalk 17:37, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

A bot could measure the length of a given day's AfDs and if too long split it up into #1, #2 etc. Chillum Need help? Type {{ping|Chillum}} 17:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


Could AFD possibly be based off of the AFC tool Special:NewPagesFeed?--Coin945 (talk) 18:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Soft deletion[edit]

I just had a somewhat frustrating experience with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dmitriy Grigoriyev. After being up for deletion for nearly a month, it was closed as "no consensus". While I don't fault the closer for his decision, isn't this slightly absurd? It's clear the topic isn't going to attract much interest if renominated, and if all the single-purpose account who created the article could bother to do was remove the AfD template — well, that's his problem. Moreover, I do recall discussion about discussions with no votes cast ending up as soft deletes (at least as a general rule), and although I'm not sure how that turned out, perhaps it's time to codify that, given situations like this one. - Biruitorul Talk 16:51, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

While in general the choice is a matter of closer discretion, in this particular case I think NC/NPASR is the right call. If you check the article hiistory, you will see that the article had been recently PROD tagged, and the PROD tag removed by the article author. It is quite likely that a SOFTDELETE would have ended up at WP:REFUND, the article restored, and we would be precisely where we are here, but with a few extra steps along the way. --j⚛e deckertalk 19:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
We will, at some point, have to cross this bridge. One way will be to treat no discussion AfDs like PRODs. Another may be to empower admins to close AfD discussions on the basis of a nomination alone. We're not there yet, so I think the best policy is to let closers figure this out as they go along and have the policy take note of the practices which appear to work best, rather than codifying this before it becomes a real practice. Protonk (talk) 19:16, 16 September 2014 (UTC)