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Red Arrows userbox[edit]

I don't know if somebody already made one for the Red Arrows but I did, to get this on your talkpage just add {{User:Nathan121212/userboxes/Redarrows}}

Red Arrows, Southport Airshow 2009 (01).jpg This user is a fan of the Red Arrows.

Tell me if you want one for another team. P.S. I'm quite new at this so tell me if it can be improved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan121212 (talkcontribs)

2014 Olsberg mid-air collision[edit]

An issue is being discussed at talk:2014 Olsberg mid-air collision. Members of this Wikiproject are invited to voice their opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjroots (talkcontribs) 21:14, 20 July 2014‎

Separate articles for certain plane crashes?[edit]

I found that:

WhisperToMe (talk) 08:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Not sure that the Transmeridian is that notable for a stand-alone article, engine fire on take-off on a cargo flight, it was fatal and a hull-loss so needs a mention on the Transmeridian and CL-44 but in my opinion not a stand-alone. MilborneOne (talk) 13:59, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Vietnam Airlines Flight 474 has been created from a redirect although it needs more work. MilborneOne (talk) 14:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Flight insurance[edit]

We have an article aviation insurance, but currently has no coverage on personal passenger flight life insurance. This used to be commonly sold at airports in the 60s/70s for passengers to buy prior to boarding, should this be covered at "aviation insurance" ? -- (talk) 08:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

"fuel cell"[edit]

I noticed that race car fuel cells exist as a topic in an article, and was wondering if aviation fuel cells (aviation fuel tanks) should also have a redirect aviation fuel cell to the aircraft section of fuel tank, as racing fuel cell does to its section.-- (talk) 09:27, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I've created the redirect for you. My own feeling/experience is that 'fuel cell' is rarely used in relation to aircraft, it's usually just 'tank'. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 11:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I am finding it very confusing to speak of a fuel cell when meaning a recipient for holding liquid fuel. According to our own definition, a Fuel cell is a device that converts hydrocarbons directly into electrical power. And I never heard the term used in any other meaning. My own idea would be to remove reference to fuel cell in the meaning of a fuel tank, to avoid confusion. Unless perhaps it is a common usage in certain parts of the world (USA?) or in certain activities, such as car racing; in which case that specific environment should be mentioned. But in aviation at least I can see no reason to mention it. Jan olieslagers (talk) 19:00, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
It is normal for a term to have different meanings in different countries and industries. So we should not go around removing correct usage. We just have to make sure that any links are correct. That's why redirects are good, just link to the redirect to get to material that does not exist yet as an article. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I am prepared to accept that - but, as already hinted by Nimbus, it is not correct usage in aviation, actually it is not used at all in aviation, as far as I can see or hear. Jan olieslagers (talk) 21:00, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
From memory of working with visiting F-16s they had a Hydrazine fuel cell for emergency electrical power back-up, nasty stuff. I think it's a term more related to spacecraft and rocket fuels, feel free to direct the redirect to somewhere else if needed. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 23:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I've heard it many times in relation to aviation [1][2][3][4] ; perhaps it is a North American term. -- (talk) 04:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, those examples are quite convincing. But, as you stated, all from the USA... Jan olieslagers (talk) 07:35, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Interesting, they would be known as 'bag tanks' or 'rubber bag tanks' in the UK. In the fuel tank article they are called bladder tanks which is also correct. It probably all comes down to what each manufacturer calls them in their manuals and parts catalogues. I'm hoping to write a dedicated article on aircraft fuel tanks soon and this point will get mentioned. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 20:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
It's definitely used in Canada [5], so not just the USA ; This [6] indicates usage in Australia -- (talk) 06:17, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Lift (force)[edit]

An interminable discussion at Talk:Lift (force), running across many topic headings, seems to have run its course. Could an uninvolved editor take a look and close it? It is about lift equalling the rate of change of vertical momentum of the air, so some understanding of such ideas might be helpful. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:41, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

A formal closure would certainly be appreciated. I suggest looking near the end for some pointers to key parts of the lengthy discussion. Burninthruthesky (talk) 10:01, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Dragon Rapide accidents[edit]

A discussion is taking place at Talk:De Havilland Dragon Rapide#Accidents re the inclusion of an accident in the Isle of Man in 1947. You are invited to express your opinion there. Mjroots (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Carrier aircraft and aircraft carriers[edit]

Hi, could use some help at Talk:Airborne_aircraft_carrier#Carrier_aircraft_and_aircraft_carriers. The article on Airborne aircraft carriers currently uses the term to indicate a mother ship or carrier aircraft that does more than just carry and launch other types of craft. Another editor is challenging that and has cited a couple of oddball sources - a French web site and a Soviet era book in Russian. Would be good to have a few more opinions on those sources. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:25, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Seriously, please can someone lend a hand. This editor does not talk rationally and is warring away. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:21, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Steelpillow does not talk rationally. He does not understand text in English source too. For example - [7], it's clearly written - "and attached itself to the mother aircraft". But something wrong with this editor. Мехтех (talk) 19:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

What do these labels on a plane crash map mean?[edit]

At: - p. 73 (PDF 81/30) - Figure 5 Seat Configuration Chart

I'm not sure about certain map markings. There are the labels G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7, and G8. I think these are gallies. I do not know what the "A", "B, "C," "D", "H," and "J" mean, and there are also "C/A" labels but I do not know what they mean. I am asking because somebody is making maps of the airplane: Commons:Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_865_map_requests_for_Japanese_and_English_.28later:_Indonesian.29 WhisperToMe (talk) 06:02, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

I think that the "G" markings are indeed "galleys" (ie food storage and prep areas). The A, B, C, etc are the seat designations, but are only shown as samples on the leading seats in each area. They show seat 37B, 37A, etc, for instance. C/A might be folding crew seats ("Crew accommodations" possibly) for the flight attendants. - Ahunt (talk) 12:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification! WhisperToMe (talk) 07:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Glad that was helpful! - Ahunt (talk) 01:39, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Another query... from: File:China_Airlines_Flight_140_EN.svg. A person making a Chinese translation wants to know what "bustle" means in an aviation context. Thanks! WhisperToMe (talk) 08:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370[edit]

Trying to clean up & solve a couple issues before a good article nomination. There's a lengthy description of these issues on its talk page, but I need feedback from other editors. Thanks. AHeneen (talk) 01:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Destination lists and Wikidata[edit]

Are there any plans to migrate airline destination lists to Wikidata? I think such a task would be very beneficial (it means fewer updates are needed for articles, and sourcing can be done at Wikidata) WhisperToMe (talk) 10:43, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Removed a bunch of unsourced speculation from Samoan Clipper. Can someone please give it a look?[edit]

I've removed the old explanation for this accident, because it was largely unsourced speculation which was not in the official report. I'd appreciate it if someone else could give it a look. Thanks. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 19:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)