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There needs to be some recognition here that the balance can swing too far the other way. There is absolutely no point identifying POV pushing and agenda accounts, if articles then go too far the other way (effectively pushing the opposite point of view, and ascribing the wrong weight to different POVs). As someone said about the civil POV page in Raul's userspace, the view that civil POV-pushing is a danger to Wikipedia can be mis-used to suppress disagreement. What happens is that a particular editor who is identified has having a POV is either called out for incivility, or if they are civil, are accused of civil POV pushing. The only solution, in my view, is to identify the most authoritative sources and build on them, or if there is no clear authority on a subject, to say that matters are unclear. Carcharoth (talk) 14:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)