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LibraryThing[edit]

The link to LibraryThing doesn't seem to work. All I get is this empty search page. --91.67.132.42 (talk) 15:21, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Update Seattle Library link[edit]

Please check the following URLs to the Seattle Public Library replacing "MAGICNUMBER" with an ISBN number.

  • https://catalog.spl.org/ipac20/ipac.jsp?term=MAGICNUMBER&index=ISBNEX old
  • http://seattle.bibliocommons.com/search?custom_query=identifier%3A%289780809053971%29 new

I want to be sure that this replacement will work. Thank you in advance. – Allen4names 22:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I believe this is now fixed. --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. – Allen4names 07:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect statement[edit]

This article currently states: "The standard Amazon link shows up correctly only if an ISBN-10 number is used." I have not found this to be the case. For instance, the following ISBN pairs give the same result:

So do these:

I believe the statement is inaccurate and should be removed. It was added more than a year ago with this edit by an IP. As written it is certainly not accurate. There may be occasional ISBN-13s for which it is true, but the same could probably be said about all the sites which are searched from this page. Also, it may also be true that occasional ISBN-10s do not work, when the ISBN-13 will work. I think we should just delete it. --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Amazon have been working correctly with 13 digit numbers for some years. Rich Farmbrough, 12:16, 10 May 2012 (UTC).

Newbie: How to add another library system?[edit]

How does one add another big U.S. city library system to this search scheme? I'm Wikipedia-savvy and library-savvy, but I don't want to try editing something this special without more knowledge. I'm well-connected with the folks at our Allegheny County Library Association system here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA, and I'd like to see them in this list. We also have quite a few colleges and universities that might belong here. Lou Sander (talk) 12:28, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The University of Texas library catalog is http://catalog.lib.utexas.edu/[edit]

The University of Texas library catalog is: http://catalog.lib.utexas.edu/

The given link is to the main University of Texas site, not the library. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.133.143 (talk) 02:24, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Possible error/lack of functionality[edit]

Howdy. I'm using the ISBN parameter in a cite book template and the link that is produced goes this page with a message of "The given ISBN does not appear to be valid; check for errors copying from the original source." The ISBN I'm using can be seen here. I have verified that the ISBN I'm using matches the one in the book. The target page for the generated link for WorldCat lists the book. It is the 2nd entry. Seeing this makes me think that the ISBN is at least somewhat valid. Is getting the red error text on this page fixable?--Rockfang (talk) 19:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The correct ISNBs for this book appear to be
There is an increasing problem with folk just cutting off the "978" and hoping for a valid 10 digit ISBN. 10 times out of 11 it will be wrong. Rich Farmbrough, 12:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC).

Amazon busted?[edit]

Seems that the ISBN link to Amazon is giving a 404. For example, ISBN 9780824836344 provides this link to Amazon, which is a 404. --jpgordon::==( o ) 02:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Not seeing that problem. Something local for you, or transient?LeadSongDog come howl! 04:26, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Not transient;I noticed it a few days ago. Happens on all my browsers. Oh, interesting. It only happens if I'm logged in. --jpgordon::==( o ) 04:53, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Bad JS. No biscuit. --jpgordon::==( o ) 04:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The above link is indeed giving a 404. The correct link is http://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9780824836344 which is ok. --Nakohdo (talk) 12:19, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Consideration of xISBN[edit]

Has it ever been considered to use xISBN integration into special:booksources? xISBN is an OCLC service API which given a single ISBN returns a list of associated ISBNs, like all the editions of a specific title. How would one go about proposing such an integration? As a disclaimer I do work for OCLC. Maximiliankleinoclc (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it was already included in the Wikipedia:Book sources#Find other editions section, when you asked in May! I've now updated the link to the main OCLC page, based on Nakohdo's recent update to your comment above.
Let us know if anything else needs to be tweaked. (If the API gave more verbose/useful output, then I might suggest moving it further up the page, but the plaintext list of isbns is only potentially helpful, not obviously/clearly helpful. If you see what I mean.) HTH. —Quiddity (talk) 18:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I just tried the xISBN link and it returns only a list of ISBNs. The xISBN documentation says that it returns metadata plus a list of ISBNs. Does this mean that something needs to be changed in how the query is sent? LaMona (talk) 15:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

"Key national libraries"[edit]

At a workshop yesterday, it was pointed out to me that the seven (now six) entries here cover three national libraries and three union catalogues - COPAC (UK academic), Canada, and KVK (European). Any idea for a better section title? Andrew Gray (talk) 09:51, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Oxford University OLIS[edit]

I discovered on Monday that the OLIS link no longer resolves - it directs to the SOLO landing page for the new catalogue system. (Unfortunately, I was demonstrating it in a workshop at Oxford at the time! A hasty retreat...)

I've done a bit of testing and think this will work:

http://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?dscnt=0&srt=rank&ct=search&mode=Basic&dum=true&tb=t&indx=1&vl(1UIStartWith0)=contains&vl(freeText0)=MAGICNUMBER&fn=search

but it's pretty crude - it's a full-text search on the ISBN string, which of course will fail if the 13 is used to search for something with the 10 recorded, or vice versa. Anyone more familiar with Primo? Andrew Gray (talk) 08:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Auburn University link[edit]

The link for searching Auburn University's library catalog is broken. I have no idea how to fix it, but the current online catalog search page is here. Kierkkadon talk/contribs 14:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I think I fixed it - could you please try again? GoingBatty (talk) 18:08, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks. Kierkkadon talk/contribs 18:51, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved.ΛΧΣ21 21:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Book sourcesHelp:Book sources – Because it is a help page. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:16, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Oppose: This is not a help page. Per Wikipedia:Project namespace, the Wikipedia namespace consists of pages with information or discussion about Wikipedia. By itself, it provides information per Wikipedia:Project namespace, specifically listing links to book sources. This is also primarily used as the template for the search results for Special:BookSources. As stated, "If you arrived at this page by clicking an ISBN number link in a Wikipedia page, then the links below (those labeled "find this book") search for the specific book using that ISBN number." Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:16, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • It helps readers, therefore it should be in help namespace rather than project namespace. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:35, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
    It helps readers, but not using Wikipedia, which a help page is suppose to do. I do not see any advantage about moving it. Furthemore, I do not know how it will affect Special:BookSources, and if it will actually break with a redirect without testing it first. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
    For technical information, I checked both mw:Manual:ISBN and meta:Help:ISBN links and they seem to indicate that this currently has to remain in the project namespace for Special:BookSources to work properly. We can change the results page at MediaWiki:Booksources, but it automatically defaults to the project namespace. As long as the magic words and variables pass through the redirect to the help namespace without any error, it should work in theory. But again, I do not see any significant advantage of moving the page to the help namespace, especially if I do not know yet for certain if it will introduce bugs. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is not a help page, loosely defined as "a page of readable text which explains how something is done"; it's a list of links which have little use on the bare page - try clicking any one of the "Find this book" links and see what happens. At best, you'll be offered a search input form - at worst, something like a 404 Page Not Found or 500 Internal Server Error depending on the server software. These links only become useful when fed suitable input, which is what Special:BookSources does. Compare Template:GeoTemplate which is the skeleton for coordinates links - useless unless fed a latitude and longitude at the very least, which is what {{coord}} and its subtemplates do. Therefore, if this page doesn't belong at Wikipedia:Book sources, the only logical place is Template: space (that's assuming that Special:BookSources will carry on working if the page is moved). --Redrose64 (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Busted and broken links[edit]

Just randomly clicking on a dozen book source links and half are 404 or dead sites. And then for something useful like Amazon links we bury them at the bottom of the list. The Amazon reviews and descriptions and sometimes previews are completely free. Most of the library websites are not even 1% as useful (not like you going to fly to another country to check out the actual book). Not sure why we are so in favor of non-commercial sites that we just link to junk. For any given book, Amazon almost always has the book with a pageful of useful information (Author description, Bookcover, book description, statistics like number of pages, reviews, related books, etc.) For example, look at ISBN 1-85273-109-5 found earlier in the talk page. How many links provide any useful information for this book? Most libraries don't have this book so the links are completely useless. --MarsRover (talk) 03:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library banner[edit]

Hi! I'm trying to collect our library resources under a common banner. How would you feel about putting this template at the top of the page?


Best, Ocaasi t | c 18:20, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I see no one commented so I'm going to go ahead and be bold and add it. Comments welcome. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 18:59, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

RfC on new library search tool for Wikipedia[edit]

We have a new tool, Forward to Libraries, which helps readers find books at their local library related to the articles they are reading. There is an RfC at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Linking subjects to books at your local library (Forward to Libraries) to determine how this tool should be used on Wikipedia. Interested users may wish to comment there. 64.40.54.57 (talk) 01:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

New book source suggestion[edit]

I would like to suggest Lybrary.com as a new (e)book source. We have an ISBN search interface that looks like this http://www.lybrary.com/advanced_search_result.php?isbn= (accepts 10 or 13 digit ISBNs). Example http://www.lybrary.com/advanced_search_result.php?isbn=9780957641013

We are an independent ebook retailer and carry ebooks across the board from fiction to non-fiction with specialization in magic (as in sleight-of-hand, illusions), games, juggling and gambling.

Not done: I don't think that this would go down too well with other editors, because lybrary.com is a commercial site, and we don't usually link to commercial sites from articles. (See our guidelines on external links for the details.) We tolerate the Amazon link because they provide a limited amount of the full text of their books, which is very useful for verifying citations etc. And we have some links to price-comparison sites for people who are actually looking to buy the books. Anything more than that is probably too much, in my opinion. This is just my intuition, though - if you want a second opinion, I recommend starting a new discussion at the village pump. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Book source[edit]

Where a link to new book source is added for it to appear in the Special:BookSources? Where can I find a complete list of all sources? — Bill william comptonTalk 05:27, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Both questions: Right on the project page associated with this talkpage.
If you want to add something, then propose the link here, or make an edit-protected request if you think it will be non-objected to. Then an admin can add it to the project page. –Quiddity (talk) 05:40, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 August 2013[edit]

Can Macquarie University Library please be added to the list of Australian libraries. The URL for the catalogue is:

http://voyager.mq.edu.au/vwebv/search?searchArg1=MAGICNUMBER&argType1=all&searchCode1=ISBN&combine2=and&searchArg2=&argType2=any&searchCode2=GKEY&year=2011-2013&fromYear=&toYear=&location=all&type=all&language=all&content=all&media=all&carrier=all&recCount=50&searchType=2&page.search.search.button=Search 564dude (talk) 23:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Question: Is it necessary for the query string to be so long? I reckon that it can be cut right down to
http://voyager.mq.edu.au/vwebv/search?searchArg1=MAGICNUMBER&searchCode1=ISBN&searchType=2
without loss of functionality; example. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm happy for the shorter version of the URL to be used. 564dude (talk) 01:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Done --Redrose64 (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Australia[edit]

The list for Australia has an obscure order. Clearly the national services come first, and then the State Libraries; but after that, the order is pretty confused, but there is a small degree of geographical ordering. For the section above, I knew that Macquarie University Library was in Sydney so I found an existing entry for Sydney, and placed the new one adjacent to that, in alphabetic order. It seems to me that the list can be improved by carefully sorting all the entries. Other than the purely alphabetic (which will move the State Libraries down significantly), two suggestions occur to me:

  1. leave those down to State Library of Western Australia alone, sort the rest alphabetically
  2. divide them into eight groups - one for national services and ACT, six for the states, and one for NT; within each group, put the State Library first, the rest alphabetic

Opinions? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

That seems sensible to me. I'd also suggest deleting Wesley College, Melbourne and Geelong Public Library given that these are small libraries with a limited catchment (as far as I know, all university libraries in Australia are open to the public, and they can obtain external borrowing rights in many of them). Nick-D (talk) 10:02, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Some uni libraries will ask for a paid membership from the public to just wander in and look at the books, although I doubt that many would actually enforce that. I concur with Nick-D about the Wesley College library - I'm sure it's quite good for a K-12 school but probably not someone we want to encourage adults to walk into and have a look.
I note that Trove aggregates many Australian library catalogues, such as in this example. Do we really need to include some of the more minor local libraries if this is available? Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:17, 24 August 2013 (UTC).



Edit request on September 2, 2013[edit]

Could we change the link to Worldcat from http to https? Its secure server: https://www.worldcat.org/ works perfectly fine. Since now Wikipedia forces users to use HTTPS, I would suggest we change external links to use HTTPS protocol whenever possible. --Chmarkine (talk) 20:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I think a protocol-relative link would be better - //www.worldcat.org/. Wikipedia only forces https upon those who don't know how to switch back. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree!--Chmarkine (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
OK, Done --Redrose64 (talk) 21:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Google Books[edit]

Google books now needs a space between isbn: and the isbn or = instead of :. - - MrBill3 (talk) 22:06, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Please give an example of a non-working URL, and the Wikipedia page where you found it. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I am not having the problem now. I just rechecked all the ISBN links on the page I was working on Naturopathy and they now are all working fine. Thanks for the quick response. - - MrBill3 (talk) 23:53, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request: update to University of Sussex[edit]

The current University of Sussex link no longer works.

Currently:

Suggested replacement

Foxdown1 (talk) 12:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Fixed --Redrose64 (talk) 19:46, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 October 2013[edit]

Add the San Diego Public Library? (It's a different library system than San Diego County Library.) Search for an ISBN with

http://sddp.ent.sirsi.net/client/en_US/default/search/results?qu=&qu="MAGICNUMBER"

Flyingspuds (talk) 23:41, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

DoneMr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 04:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
I removed one of the two qu= because a query string consists of one or more parameters separated by ampersands; each parameter consists of a name=value pair, and each name should be unique within the query string. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:13, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Oops, that looks like a copy-paste error on my part... thanks for fixing it. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Adding St. Louis Public Library[edit]

Is it possible to add the St. Louis Public Library to the list of Missouri Libraries? This is different from the St. Louis County Library.

http://slpl.sdp.sirsi.net/client/en_US/catalog/results?qu=&qu="MAGICNUMBER"

Thank you.Ljoneill13 (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC) ljoneill13

@Ljoneill13:Yes check.svg Done, though not quite that way. LeadSongDog come howl! 17:06, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


Thanks LeadSongDog. It seems though that the link always resolves to the title Daniel Webster. I've tried a few ISBNs and they keep resulting in the Daniel Webster details page. But if I click on Search again (now from within the catalog) it does reexecute the search correctly. Any suggestions?

Thanks again for adding us!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljoneill13 (talkcontribs) 19:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I think that the URL is dynamic, and contains a session ID which changes from visit to visit. I'm pretty sure that it's the ent:$002f$002fSD_ILS$002f239$002fSD_ILS:239781 because trying the site's "Advanced Search" facility for ISBN 9780451523556 I get the URL http://slpl.sdp.sirsi.net/client/en_US/catalog/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fSD_ILS$002f337$002fSD_ILS:337185/one?qu=9780451523556 which apart from the ISBN, differs only in that respect. If this is an encoded session ID, we cannot include the library since there is no way that we can predetermine a valid session ID. What we need is a URL where the only variable is the ISBN - the remainder must remain static between visits. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:51, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about that.

I believe the url should be this. Sorry about the error earlier:

http://slpl.sdp.sirsi.net/client/catalog/search/results?qu="MAGICNUMBER"

Thanks!

Ljoneill13 (talk) 20:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)ljoneill13

OK, done --Redrose64 (talk) 20:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Special Wikipedia page[edit]

Shouldn't this belong more appropriately on a MediaWiki message considering it's located inside a special page? Most MediaWiki messages form part of the Special pages documentation and assorted text. I mean, there are elements of MediaWiki coding on this very Wikipedia page that makes me wary of changing it, and MediaWiki system messages are, well, system messages restricted to admins. TeleComNasSprVen (talkcontribs) 19:31, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

If it were in MediaWiki space it could only be edited by administrators, just like any fully-protected page. For a long time it was full-prot in the normal manner, but a reduction to semi-prot six weeks ago does not seem to have opened the door to bad edits; indeed, this edit is about the only actual fix that was necessary after a mistaken edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:18, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
It appears from mw:Manual:ISBN that it's not possible to place it outside project space. MediaWiki:Booksources could change it to another project space page but not another namespace. I don't know whether Wikipedia:Book sources could be coded to transclude a MediaWiki page instead of containing the book sources directly, but I don't see a good reason. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:39, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I should probably say a word here about why I reduced the protection to semi. This page requires quite a bit of maintenance, for example when any of the public libraries listed change the format of their URLs. Also, when answering a protected request above, I noticed some overlinking and some discrepencies in formatting in some of the entries, particularly for the US libraries inside the collapse boxes. I figured that as many of these things hadn't been fixed while the page was full-protected, perhaps semi-protection would allow for necessary maintenance to take place while still keeping out bad edits. For now, I think this approach has been borne out by the number of dead links that have been tagged; however, if we start to see an influx of bad edits then I'm not against reinstating full protection. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:38, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2014, adding “Deutsche Nationalbibliothek” in Wikipedia:Book Sources[edit]

Hello,

it would be kind to add the “Deutsche Nationalbibliothek” (German National Library) in Wikipedia:BookSources#Germany. The search string ( c&p from German Wikipedia) is:

https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?referrer=Wikipedia&method=enhancedSearch&index=num&term=MAGICNUMBER&operator=and

--Dosenfant (talk) 17:33, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: According to the page's protection level and your user rights, you should currently be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. I don't see any protection on the page. Are you asking for help for another reason (like being uncomfortable with template syntax) or did you accidentally use the wrong template or something else? — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 00:18, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
@Technical 13: the page is semi-protected, and has been for four months now. Dosenfant (talk · contribs) is not yet autoconfirmed, and so is unable to edit the page. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Ahh... The edit request was for Wikipedia:BookSources specifically. Since they specified that in the request template, that page is not protected, and redirect pages now render text, I didn't even consider the possibility that their request was misplaced Rose. I've fixed the template call, and if it is still here tomorrow, I'll take care of it. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 23:34, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Both Wikipedia:BookSources and Wikipedia:Book Sources are redirects to the true page, Wikipedia:Book sources. When an edit request is apparently for a redirect, the desired page is often the redirect's target. Newbies often don't appreciate the subtleties of case-sensitivity and spacing. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Not done: According to the page's protection level and your user rights, you should currently be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. I actually still don't understand exactly what you want changed Dosenfant, and I apologize for the misunderstanding and delay... That said, your account is now more than four days old and you have well over the ten minimum required edits to make this change yourself. Again, I apologize, and if you should still need assistance I would be happy to help you but will need a little more detail because I have no idea where you might want that added. Thanks for your interest in contributing to the English Wikipedia. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 02:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Added DNB. User LeadSongDog added the DNB entry to Wikipedia:BookSources#Germany on 21:09, 28 February 2014. At that time I havn't had the user rights to do this myself. I apologize that I didn't close this thread immediately. --Richard (talk) 09:12, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

HELP QUESTION - Where to make suggestion for Special:BookSources page?[edit]

I'e been mainly correcting commas and splitting overly-long paragraphs for a few years on Wikipedia, not doing any "real editing", but.. now I find I have a "real editing question.. Where would I make a suggestion (if feasible) to add a feature for the Special:BookSources ISBN page to automatically go to one of it's external links (Amazon, WorldCat, etc), based on a user-preference? Perhaps have an option for such "ISBN wikilinks" to show a pop-up option to go instead to the Special:BookSources page (or do so if control/alt-clicked if that's possible with JS), like is done with the "Add to book" option that is put activated by the Book Creator? Where does someone make such suggestions for the "infrastructure pages" of WP? Thanks, Jimw338 (talk) 20:12, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

If you look right at the bottom, under "See also", it shows four bullets. The second is "Wikipedia talk:Book sources - For questions and discussion about this page." so that's where the page itself is discussed.
However, new user preferences would require a change to the MediaWiki software, which is not something that we can do directly: you would need to file a feature request at Bugzilla. That's not really for the non-technical person though, and replies can take a long time to arrive. A good place to ask technical questions is WP:VPT where others usually answer within an hour or two, and can often advise on whether something can be done from our end or if it's a task to send to Bugzilla. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:35, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the gist of comments by Georgejdorner (the Non-functional section above) and Jimw338. I too have been a frequent Wikipedia consumer for several years and, more recently, a fledgling editor, and I have always found the Special:BookSources page confusing and not helpful. I inevitably jump over to Google Books to find info about a referenced volume. I certainly mean no offense to the folks who have developed Special:BookSources. For individuals who want a wealth of information and dozens of sources for a text, I see the value. However, that description likely applies to less than 5% (my guesstimate) of Wikipedia customers. The rest of us simply want to click once and discover basic information about a book. In some instances while editing I have dutifully included the ISBN magic link, but I also add a reference to the Google Books page, although I fear that other editors will disapprove of this practice. (No evidence of such at this time, just a hunch). - Mark D Worthen PsyD 07:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
@Markworthen: Special:BookSources is, for the most part, a list of external links. What happens when you click those links is outside our control. Are there any specific ones that are consistently giving trouble? If so, we can look at fixing or removing them. Are the descriptions on our page misleading - we can amend if we have details. Or is it that the page layout is not ideal? Suggestions to change it are welcome. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I suggest analyzing the page from a usability perspective. Mark D Worthen PsyD 17:14, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Specific suggestion:
  • Move "For assistance, see Help:ISBN" to the very first paragraph, so that it is the third sentence of that paragraph.
  • Move the "Online text" section up, so that it is above the world map.
  • Eliminate the heading, "Online text", and replace it with the following text (without a heading):
Quick Result: Find this book on Google Books or find this book on Amazon.com (or .ca, .cn, .de, .fr, .it, .jp, .uk).

Google Books and Amazon.com are particularly helpful if you want to verify citations in Wikipedia articles, because they usually enable you to search an online version of the book for specific words or phrases, or you can browse through the book (although for copyright reasons the entire book is usually not available).

Important: Google Books and Amazon.com provide valuable information about a book, but they might not give you the specifics you need. Consult the resources below for other ways to locate the info you need. You might want to start with the map below: Click on your region to jump to country-specific databases, search engines, and guides. Click on any "Find this book" link to discover information about the book for which you searched (when you entered its ISBN number in the search box above).

Keep everything else on the page the same. --Mark D Worthen PsyD 08:29, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I moved the thread to the appropriate page so that others may discuss it. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Corrected search url for Richland County Public Library[edit]

The search URL for the Richland County Public Library has changed.

Currently Wikipedia:Book_sources points to: http://myrcpl.ipac.sirsidynix.net/ipac20/ipac.jsp?menu=search&aspect=basic_search&index=ISBNEX&term=MAGICNUMBER

It has been changed again to: http://catalog.richlandlibrary.com/polaris/view.aspx?isbn=MAGICNUMBER

Please update the code to the following:

South Carolina

Jwilliek (talk) 14:42, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --Redrose64 (talk) 17:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Jwilliek (talk) 12:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Internet Book Database[edit]

Concerns regarding 'Internet Book Database' current functioning state and usefulness as a Wikipedia Book_source(MAGICNUMBER) link: It seems like this site is either no longer maintained or has very little current content. (7 days ago and just now, with similar results) I searched for various books by title and ISBN, obscure, mainstream, fiction, non-fiction, titles from Oprah's book club, etc, most queries returned a hit but provided useless data as results. Data provided usually included, but not always: popularity (stars), rank, series, a user review, and affiliate-links to various places to purchase the book. Data one would expect to find that is missing: title! (when searched by ISBN), author, publisher, year published, number of pages, media format, editors, subject matter. Even the items linked to from the "whats popular this week" widget are void of content.[1] Internet Book Database is not a bibliographic data provider (anymore, or perhaps never was?). As far as I can tell 'Internet Book Database' simply attempts to drive traffic to affiliate sites and is of no use to Wikipedia users as a link in the Special_Pages:Book_sources. Am I wrong? Did I catch them at a bad moment? Is there some site news I'm not aware of? I suggest removing it. Feel free to ignore or delete this if I'm missing something obvious / it's just not done that way. Msonni (talk) 06:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.ibookdb.net/book/306036. Retrieved 19 May 2014.  Missing or empty |title= (help)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2014 to change the safaribooksonline search url.[edit]

Please change

to

because... the first link results in a "Page not found" error on the Safari Books Online website when looking for an ISBN that is not in their library. Using the updated link with the query string parameter will result in a search results page, the intended destination of the link. For example try going to http://my.safaribooksonline.com/0394470362 vs. http://my.safaribooksonline.com/search?q=0394470362, since that book is not found, the new link would resolve to a search results page with zero results, which I think is more appropriate than a 404ish page. An example of a book that is in their library will work both ways: http://my.safaribooksonline.com/9782212134179 and http://my.safaribooksonline.com/search?q=9782212134179, although the first page goes directly to the book's page instead of showing the search results. Crisnoble (talk) 17:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Thanks!  NQ  talk 20:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Treatment of invalid ISBNs[edit]

This article contains a ref that has been assigned an invalid ISBN and is tagged as such in the citation template. Following the ISBN link in the article will take one here, where a scary red message is (in my opinion) likely to strongly discourage people from searching further by this method, however the "find this book" links for at least WorldCat and COPAC Union work perfectly well. Is it technically feasible to suppress the warning in these cases (where the ISBN has been explicitly tagged as "invalid but definitely as-printed"), perhaps by passing an additional argument to Special:BookSources? TuxLibNit (talk) 18:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

@TuxLibNit: You should probably ask at Help talk:Citation Style 1, as that is the page generally most watched by the editors familiar with Module:Citation/CS1, the Lua module that creates the error message. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 22:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
@Mr. Stradivarius: Thanks, but are you certain I'm in the wrong place? I'm talking about the error displayed on the Special:BookSources page under the "Go" button like this not the error displayed in the article as part of the {{cite book}} or whatever. Also, even if the error itself is generated in Module:Citation/CS1 this question is as much about the mechanics of how that module is plumbed into Special:BookSources. Does that aspect also belong elsewhere? — TuxLibNit (talk) 22:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
@TuxLibNit: Ah, sorry, I didn't read that carefully enough. The warning on Special:BookSources is generated by MediaWiki itself, and the algorithm that determines whether the ISBN is valid or not is also defined in the MediaWiki software, and is separate from the one used in Module:Citation/CS1. I'd suggest WP:VPT as a first port of call, which a few MediaWiki developers normally watch. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 22:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

correct Burnaby link[edit]

The "find this book" link for "Burnaby Public Library" should be like:

http://burnaby.bibliocommons.com/search?custom_query=identifier%3A(ISBN_NUMBER)&suppress=true&custom_edit=false

Where "ISBN_NUMBER" is replaced by the ISBN number. ;)

208.91.115.12 (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit request, 6.7.8 Estonia[edit]

6.7.8 Estonia

should be now

Find this book / http://www.ester.ee/search*est/i?SEARCH=MAGICNUMBER / on Ester, the catalogue of ELNET's / http://www.elnet.ee / libraries

Please remove Tallinn and Tartu lines.

Kaljukask (talk) 07:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2014[edit]

Estonia[edit]

Kaljukask (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 03:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

AbeBooks[edit]

Name is given as "Abebooks", but company name is actually mixed case: AbeBooks, and the link is presently to Advanced_Book_Exchange = old name.

Current ISBN link code for AbeBooks is not broken, but neither is it up to date. A better version might be http://www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/MAGICNUMER

Zac Thompson (talk) 09:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2015[edit]

Hi. I'm a librarian from the University of Alberta, in Canada. I've had a request to add our library to this list of links. The code to add in the "Colleges and Universities" section for Canada is:

Thanks.

Redlib (talk) 21:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 00:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Portugal links update[edit]

links to pordata.org aren't working and should point to http://porbase.bnportugal.pt/

Magpt (talk) 16:40, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I can't find any links to pordata.org in the article... Kharkiv07Talk 20:42, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add a Spanish-language Amazon site[edit]

In the section "Online text", the "Find this book on Amazon.com" entry, please add a link to a Spanish-language Amazon site within the parentheses.

I am currently fixing broken ISBNs. After a fix, I always verify through the "Book sources" page. Many ISBN errors relate to Spanish-language publications. Adding a link to a Spanish-language Amazon site would greatly assist my efforts.

Moreover, Spanish is so widely spoken that it deserves this link. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 04:16, 23 May 2015 (UTC)