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Technical reports and white papers[edit]

Which template should I use for technical reports and white papers? These are not necessarily published in journals or books, and are often released on their own. They are not web sites. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Try {{cite report}}. But some people want rid of that. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:20, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Or {{cite techreport}}. There is a difference in title styling between it and {{cite report}}; {{cite report}} does not style the title.
Trappist the monk (talk) 16:44, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks! Put me in the "keep it" column! Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:04, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Using French citation/reference templates in translated articles[edit]

I'm translating some material in the French wikipedia to an English wikipedia article. There are a fair number of footnote references, which should display fine and don't need translating, but the French language Citation template parameters aren't recognized in English. Is there some way to write the markup code to signal begin/end of French Citation reference parameters instead of having to translate each parameter? Thanks Dpendery (talk) 10:15, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean the template names (e.g. {{Ouvrage}}), the parameter names (e.g. |titre=) or the parameter values (e.g. Discours de la méthode)? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:05, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Both template names and parameter names. I would like to invoke the template name in French, as it appears in the French article, and have the parameter names recognized. Dpendery (talk) 11:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
If you copy and paste the Ouvrage template into an article without changing the parameters, the article will appear in Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters. I check that category nearly every day and have a script that translates foreign-language template parameters. I'll be happy to run that script on your article or articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
According to Google translate, |editore= is Italian for |publisher= not |editor=
Trappist the monk (talk) 15:58, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah, so it is, similar to the Spanish editorial. Curatore is editor in Italian. Fixed in the script. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, you're very kind, I'd like to try that. I've been saving the article with the French references within a {{^}} where they appear. Can you process from that? I'd be happy to try running your script myself if you explain how to do it (you could strip out the Portuguese and Swedish parts<g>).Dpendery (talk) 15:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Getting the script to work is tricky unless you have some basic programming skills. It uses a Wikipedia tool called AutoEd, which is not very well documented. I'll be happy to run the script for you; just post a note on my Talk page with a link to the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I will do that. I do have some programming skills (maybe 100K lines of code in 45 years) mostly FORTRAN, Pascal and C; never did get the hang of LISP... So it may be less trouble for you to tell me how to run it myself than get repeated requests to run it for me. Thanks again for your help.Dpendery (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Which template for Trademark application?[edit]

I'm citing the address that a Fraternity had at a given time based on a trademark application, which cite template should be used? It is reachable from the web, so cite web *could* be used, but there is probably something better.Naraht (talk) 16:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Which template for Memoranda?[edit]

What template should be used for Memoranda?Naraht (talk) 18:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I've used {{cite letter}} to cite all types of correspondence, be it open letters or memoranda that I've obtained for citations. Imzadi 1979  18:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Format is now ALL CAPS[edit]

Hi there - not sure if this is the right place to put in this request, but as of the past week or so, all of the "| format =" fields I have populated are all now ALL CAPS. I understand that the usage of the "| format = " field is for PDF and XLS, etc. But I also think it is a great place to add other possible formats, like audio interview, podcast, etc. I know this is not its original intention (the format field), but I think a little flexibility for this field would be responsive to the completeness and current existence of various types of resources online that are really great citations. I would like to suggest the ALL CAPS forced format be removed and leave it at whatever no format default it was before the last few weeks. Especially for other formats like PowerPoint, Google Docs, etc., which don't need to be ALL CAPS; if they were ALL CAPS I think they would be harder to read and would be jarring and a bit "scream-y." Please advise if this suggestion and request should be placed somewhere else (not on this page). Thanks so much! BrillLyle (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@BrillLyle: you should be using the |type= parameter for that usage. The |format= is only for the file format of an online file. Imzadi 1979  16:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
@Imzadi1979: This was brilliant! Thank you. Is there any way that |type= could be added to the 4 templates on the Cite toolbar? Thanks again! BrillLyle (talk) 18:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
@BrillLyle: You'll want to ask over at Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar. I don't deal with it, so I can't help you with your last question. Imzadi 1979  18:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
@Imzadi1979: Thank you! -- BrillLyle (talk) 19:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
@BrillLyle: This is in the Citation Style 1 templates, not RefToolbar. -- Gadget850 talk 22:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

issues that span dates[edit]

I'm sure there's an easy way to do this...

I'm trying to cite the CIM Magazine, which publishes bymonthly. The issue in question is "Dec '07/Jan '08". How do I cite this using the template? My attempts cause errors.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:05, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

|date=December 2007 – January 2008 should work.
"Title". December 2007 – January 2008. Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Is there something special about the characters? I've tried this syntax in the past and always get errors. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
It needs to be a spaced en-dash, typed as space, en-dash, space. Omitting the spaces or using a hyphen-minus will throw an error, as will using the {{spaced endash}} template or the &ndash; entity. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:03, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
OMG. Well, ok, that explains that! Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:15, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Book chapters[edit]

Is there not a citation template for a paper that is in an edited volume, like a conference proceedings. (I see there is a template for conferences per se, but it doesn't seem suitable for a book chapter). Please reply on my talk page. --Tibetologist (talk) 20:54, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Tibetologist: {{cite book}} works well for a chapter in an edited volume. Use |title= for the book or volume title, |chapter= for the paper or chapter title, and optionally |series= if the book is one in a series. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:24, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

cite standard[edit]

Is there already, or can someone who understands the details of template markup make, a citation template for technical standards, such as ISO, ASTM, British Standards, AASHTO, etc.? Something like:

{{cite standard
  | agency = 
  | standard = 
  | title = 
  | version = 
  | date = 
  | section = 
  | figure = 
  | url = 
  | format = 
  | accessdate =  

So that

{{cite standard
  | agency = British Standards Institution
  | standard = BS 1377-2:1990
  | title = Methods of test for soils for civil engineering purposes. Classification tests.
  | version = 
  | date = 1990
  | section = 4.3.2, Apparatus
  | figure = 
  | url =
  | format = 
  | accessdate = 2015-05-11

would produce something like:

British Standards Institution: BS 1377-2:1990, Methods of test for soils for civil engineering purposes. Classification tests. §4.3.2, Apparatus, 1990. Accessed 2015-05-11

I found a request for this in Archive 1, from 2006, but the answer then was "go make it yourself", and nobody ever did. I could figure out how to make this, given enough time, but I'd want to know that people were interested, and that it would be included in this page. Argyriou (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

You might use {{cite book}}:
{{cite book
  | author= British Standards Institution
  | id= BS 1377-2:1990
  | title = Methods of test for soils for civil engineering purposes. Classification tests.
  | version = 
  | date = 1990
  | section = §4.3.2, Apparatus
  | url =
  | format = 
  | accessdate = 2015-05-11
which renders this way:
British Standards Institution (1990). "§4.3.2, Apparatus". Methods of test for soils for civil engineering purposes. Classification tests. BS 1377-2:1990. Retrieved 2015-05-11. 

The only thing {{cite book}} doesn't handle from your example is |figure=.

Trappist the monk (talk) 21:36, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Use |at=figure 12 --Redrose64 (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Trappist (and Redrose), I haven't looked up the specific standards for citing standards, but it seems to me that the "cite book" puts things in a less-than-helpful order. On the other hand, aside from the |section= being somewhat out of place, the sources I've looked up seem to generally put things in the same order as {{cite book}}, so I should just use that. Argyriou (talk) 16:44, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
You can use |at= for the section:
British Standards Institution (1990). Methods of test for soils for civil engineering purposes. Classification tests. §4.3.2, Apparatus. BS 1377-2:1990. Retrieved 2015-05-11. 
See documentation. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2015 (UTC)