Wikipedia talk:Deletion process

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Deleting links to userboxes[edit]

Having just closed an MfD for several userboxes, I was wondering whether there's a way of getting a bot to delete their transclusions? I can't seem to find any instructions on this, and the boxes have a lot of transclusions - would take hours to sort it myself. Number 57 16:32, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Well as a user I would be unhappy about a bot delinking them of my page. It is OK if the bot does something useful, such as renaming, but I think it would be preferable to let a redlink remain so that the affected user can take care of the situation. Perhaps they want to use a different box or delete, or recreate the text on their own page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:57, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Number 57 08:16, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

XFDs for category redirects[edit]

When a category redirect is proposed for deletion, should the discussion be held at RFD or CFD? I'm not sure, so I've made a proposal at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 113#Deletion of category redirects. Your participation would be appreciated. Nyttend (talk) 21:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Soft deletion[edit]

What exactly is soft deletion? And when would you use it? It is very poorly explained here. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 14:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

If someone nominates an article for AfD and after several relists the discussion receives no discussion or very little discussion, the closing admin can close the debate as "soft delete" and delete the article. But afterwards, if anyone wants the article restored for any reason whatsoever, the article will be restored (same as pretending like the article was never nominated for AfD but was instead deleted under PROD). Formerly (like several years ago), admins were advised to close discussions with little participation as "no consensus," but it didn't make a whole lot of sense given that if they had nominated it under PROD, the article would have been deleted already. So the change in policy was made. -- King of ♠ 05:35, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Question about WP:NACD[edit]

In Wikipedia:Deletion process#Non-administrators closing discussions (NACD), there is a sentence Decisions are subject to review and may be reopened by any administrator. which is, as far as I can see, often ignored: I usually see involved non-administrators who disagree with the close reverting (though, they're often right) and sometimes even edit-warring to keep it open. (Wikipedia:Non-admin closure has the same commonly-ignored instruction: Inappropriate early closures may either be reverted by an administrator ("Decisions are subject to review and may be reopened by any administrator", from Wikipedia:Deletion process#Non-administrators closing discussions) or could result in a successful request to redo the process at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Inappropriate early closures thus waste everyone's time.) Now, if my observations are true (and please, tell me if they are or not) - that most of the time, this rule is not known or ignored - should it be enforced or removed? It seems to me that, if guidelines follow community consensus and practice, that it should be the latter. Ansh666 18:29, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@Ansh666: You might consider checking out these closure reviews of RFCs that have been brought up. Cunard (talk · contribs) has been maintaining it since 2013. It's not a long list, but there are cases when a non-admin close is contested and subsequently reviewed by an administrator; some have been endorsed and others reverted or the RfC reopened. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
@I JethroBT: My concern is more about deletion discussions (and AfD in particular), which is where I see most of this behavior. Part of the problem, I feel, is that people at AfD are often new(er) content creators and don't know the ins and outs of policy as well as RfC participants. Ansh666 21:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
  • The premise here doesn't make sense to me.  What evidence is there that the sentence is ignored?  I don't see the relation between the sentence and the issue of involved editors (both admin and non-admin) re-opening RfC and AfD.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:20, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
    • The sentence often ignored states that non-admins should not re-open a deletion NAC, which does happen. Ansh666 03:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Perhaps you are thinking of the Template used in closing the discussion, that says that the page should not be edited thereafter.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:23, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
        • I am most definitely not. Ansh666 03:58, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
          • In the sentence, "Decisions are subject to review and may be reopened by any administrator.", I see the word "administrator", but nothing about non-admins.  Unscintillating (talk) 22:59, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The implication would be that non-admins are not allowed to reopen discussions. Why mention administrators specifically if anyone can do it? (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GamesRadar, which is the latest example and the one which prompted this question.) Ansh666 01:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I think this might require an RfC on this matter so we can get a clear consensus on this matter. I'm going to start one now. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Should non-admins reopen deletion discussions after an NAC?[edit]

Should non-admins reopen deletion discussions if it is closed by another non-admin per WP:NACD? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

  • The problem in the example, and I could give others, is that a participant is re-opening the discussion.  This is not a problem of whether or not the editor is an admin, as an admin has been known to re-open an RfC whose close they didn't like.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes, that is another issue, but I'm pretty sure I've seen uninvolved non-admins do it before too. It's hard for me to find examples, because I've participated in a lot of deletion discussions and read through even more without leaving a trace of involvement. Ansh666 03:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • As a description of best practice, implying that users should seek admin review rather than simply reverting closes they dislike is fine. I oppose making any stronger statement in either direction, however, because these cases are always going to need to be judged on their individual merits. --erachima talk 11:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • You mean at an AfD? No. That's what deletion review is for. Discuss it on the closer's talk page, alert a friendly admin, or take it to the due process. Re-opening a closed discussion is disruptive. It leads to edit wars where people repeatedly open and close the discussion, and then newcomers get pissed off when their comments get removed in the crossfire. I've seen it happen, and it's too much drama. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • As per WP:TPG (WP:TPO) neither admins nor non-admins should revert a close, as doing so changes the meaning.  Unscintillating (talk) 22:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)