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Save Our Children[edit]


I am translating into French your article about Save Our Children. It is an interesting work and I am happy to make it part of the French wikipedia (although I am only working on a subpage now). Unfortunatly, some paragraphes need citations and I am not sure that the articulation of all the ideas is always well-done... I wanted to tell you that because I think Anita Bryant's campaign is one of the most important moments of LGBT history in the US. And perhaps someone here has material which could improve the actual page...

Sorry for my English, I read it better than I write it.

Konstantinos (from the French Wikipedia)

Phyll Opoku-Gyimah[edit]

Could use some fleshing out. There's a couple of sources in the "External links", and more available on-line. All the best: Rich Farmbrough21:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC).

Help with Simple English Wikipedia[edit]

Could some people help expand the following articles on the Simple English Wikipedia?

You don't have to get it perfect, just expand it to the point where it is no longer a stub. Five or ten minutes per article should be enough. (talk)

It shouldn't take 5-10 minutes per article. SimpleWP focuses on written articles that can be easily readable to people who speak English as a second language, those who have disabilities and are working to enhance their writing and speaking skills, and people learning English. Furthermore, the articles should read at an eighth grade level per their guidelines. Taking just 5-10 minutes won't cut it, the articles would then be tagged as too "complex" for readers interested in LGBT articles on their Wikipedia. Best, .jonatalk 15:53, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Jameson Currier[edit]

Hello again... here's an abandoned draft about writer whose subject matter seems to fall under the interests of this project. I added a couple of sources, but it needs some work before being accepted, so any help in improving it will be appreciated. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:02, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

He's been a nominee for the Gaylactic Spectrum Award and the Lambda Literary Award, so he certainly qualifies for a Wikipedia article in principle. I'll see what I can do to help out with sourcing issues, but since he's American and the only really comprehensive database access I have is to Canadian newspapers, I can't necessarily promise a ton. Bearcat (talk) 02:24, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Update: I was able to improve the sourcing sufficiently that I've moved the page into articlespace at Jameson Currier. Bearcat (talk) 23:53, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, ((U|Bearcat}}. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:39, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Sexophobia article[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Sexophobia. A WP:Permalink for the discussion is here. Flyer22 (talk) 15:37, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Bruce Jenner[edit]

Given recent rumors and media attention, this article could use some extra eyes. Currently nothing of the rumors has been added to the article per WP:IDENTITY, but it's sure to be edited more frequently because of the publicity. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 01:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

This interview should provide needed RS: "Bruce Jenner to discuss transition in Diane Sawyer interview" TechBear | Talk | Contributions 05:57, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Help with Tiq Milan article[edit]

Hi there, I recently created a Wiki article for Tiq Milan, a trans activist and writer. The article got proposed for deletion and I believe it's because trans folks are underrepresented and not understood as what their contributions notable. Can you please review the article and assist? I really don't want it to be deleted. Thank you! Srdemuro (talk) 04:06, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

What you've failed to do is to reference the article to reliable sources (i.e. media coverage about him); nearly all of the references in the entire article are to primary sources. A person does not, for example, get over our inclusion rules on the basis of his own self-penned biography on the website of an organization he's directly involved with, or by being the bylined author of the article that you're citing as support — he gets over it by being the subject of coverage in sources that are independent of him. But out of the 54 references you've cited, I can count the acceptable sources (the ones that count a whit toward making him notable enough for an encyclopedia article) on the fingers of one hand. Bearcat (talk) 01:41, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Laura Lam[edit]

Lam is a YA author who's works so far heave an intersex protagonist. The article is listed at AfD. Her article would benefit form attention, and in particular needs research to meet WP:AUTHOR and/or WP:GNG. All the best: Rich Farmbrough15:34, 4 February 2015 (UTC).

Should this article be renamed?[edit]

I am thinking of renaming Homophobia in the Black British community to Homophobia in the Black British and Ethnic minority community to include other groups as there is a info on homophobia amongst British Muslims. Dwanyewest (talk) 05:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the article should be renamed. I've left a note on the talk page of Homophobia in the Black British community (with a wikilink to this discussion) as I think the conversation would probably be more appropriate there.
Thanks for bringing this up. – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 11:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't see why the article should be renamed. Right now, it is about black people in Britain. A black person being Muslim or adhering to some other religion does not mean that the article's title should reflect that. And, per WP:Article title, the title should not have "ethnic" capitalized. Maybe "Black" should also not be capitalized. I will note all of this on the talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 17:53, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I struck part of my post above because I misread the proposal and an aspect of the article. Flyer22 (talk) 17:57, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Or, judging by this, maybe I did not misinterpret what was being proposed. Flyer22 (talk) 18:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


I was just editing this article about a son of Zeus in Greek mythology, and I noticed the banner of this project on the talk page. I'm puzzled, because I don't see what connection Rhadamanthus has with LGBT studies. If there is some connection, then perhaps it should be mentioned in the article? I would certainly be interested.

Does anyone know why that banner is there? -GTBacchus(talk) 23:34, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure how much stock to put in this, and it's not actually covered in either article at present, but this source, by author Andrew Calimach, certainly makes the claim that there are some stories within the corpus of Rhadamanthus mythology in which he was at least briefly a same-sex lover of Talos. So the project tag was likely added on that basis without anybody actually adding any content to the article about it, or it got added to the article and then excised by somebody else — I haven't investigated the edit history carefully enough to rule that out, and I'm not knowledgeable enough about Greek mythology to evaluate the credibility of the claim. Bearcat (talk) 00:06, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:Disruptive editing going on at the Sissy article[edit]

There is WP:Disruptive editing by Paul78kao (talk · contribs) going on at the Sissy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. Flyer22 (talk) 02:11, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Potential disruptive editing at Looking (and potentially other pages).[edit]

A relatively new editor has being going through some articles (Murray Bartlett, Looking) and removing statements about the individual or content being "gay", because they claim it makes things "more equal" since "you wouldn't say he was openly heterosexual" or "you wouldn't say a show is about three straight friends" and shows and people shouldn't be labeled because of sexuality. I've attempted to engage with the editor on the Talk:Looking page to explain that the information is relevant to its coverage and content and removing it violates WP:LEAD and MOS:INTRO. It looks like they gave up with Murray Bartlett, since that issue was back in November and hasn't been changed, but the editor has reverted the changes on Looking a few times. (Note: Not all of the editor's changes in service of that opinion have been unacceptable.) Any assistance reaching out to them, or helping to handle the situation if it becomes an edit war would be appreciated.Luminum (talk) 04:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I think we should add importance scale[edit]

Now, Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Assessment doesn't have importance scale. In my opinion, we need a importance scale on LGBT project.

Status Template Meaning of Status
Top {{Top-Class}} This article is of the utmost importance to this project, as it forms the basis of all information. The article is about one of the core legal topics. Adds articles to Category:Top-importance LGBT articles
High {{High-Class}} This article is fairly important to this project, as it covers a general area of knowledge. The article is about the most well-known or historically significant aspects of the LGBT. Adds articles to Category:High-importance LGBT articles.
Mid {{Mid-Class}} This article is relatively important to this project, as it fills in some more specific knowledge of certain areas. The article is about a topic within the legal field that may or may not be commonly known outside the profession. Adds articles to Category:Mid-importance LGBT articles.
Low {{Low-Class}} This article is of little importance to this project, but it covers a highly specific area of knowledge or an obscure piece of trivia. The article is about a topic that is highly specialised within the field of legal studies and is not generally common knowledge to lay people. Adds articles to Category:Low-importance LGBT articles.
None None This article has yet to be rated. Adds articles to Category:Unknown-importance LGBT articles.

In this scaling, every (former) core topics will be ranked in top-class. --CDjanegirl (talk) 08:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

What's with all the references to the legal profession? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:56, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
MSGJ, I think CDjanegirl may have hastily copied that table from WikiProject Law. Face-smile.svgTom Morris (talk) 11:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not altogether sure, for the record, that we have nearly enough active participants here to actually implement and maintain this, or to actually do much of anything with it. Bearcat (talk) 23:20, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone actually use a scale like this when deciding what entries to work on? I doubt it. I think scales exist for people who love to categorize. Impact on WP close to nil. Just sayin. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 02:44, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Queer heterosexuality article[edit]

Eyes from this WikiProject are needed at the Queer heterosexuality (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. Flyer22 (talk) 01:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Revisions to 'Trans bashing'[edit]

I am a student working on the article 'Trans bashing' and I have some revisions that I would like to make to the page. I would like to change the name of the page to 'Transgender violence' and greatly expand it to include policies and attitudes globally, religious views on transgenderism, and differences in attitudes within various communities. Please let me know if any other users have feedback. BSchilling (talk) 06:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@BSchilling: Honestly that sounds like a good idea (might suggest calling it "Violence against transgender people" though so it's not confused with violent transgender people). Note that Violence against transgendered people does redirect to Violence against LGBT people currently. Might need to establish the notability of violence against transgender people, but that should be fairly easy by linking some solid reliable sources that talk about it as a social issue. Another article to consider looking at is List of unlawfully killed transgender people. I think first start a discussion about moving the page on Talk:Trans bashing and see if anyone replies. If there's no objection, move the page. If there is objection, start an WP:RM. You can start expanding on the article while the discussion occurs if it's non-contentious stuff. I'll be happy to help out and clean up formatting and such if you need it (but it looks like you've been here for a bit, which is awesome). EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 06:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
The Trans bashing article was likely named Trans bashing for the same reason that the Gay bashing article was titled Gay bashing -- because of WP:Common name and because many people take the term violence to mean physical violence, without any thought to other aspects of violence. In other words, in these contexts, the term bashing is broader to many people. After all, look at the definitions that usually show up when you Google "Violence definition," or simply Google "Violence." So I'm not sure about renaming the article. If you do, make sure that everything you include in it is actually a violence topic or significantly related to violence. Flyer22 (talk) 07:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
In fact, I think that the vast majority of people restrict the term violence to physical violence; that's certainly been my experience throughout life, including when reading reliable sources. When someone says, "He became violent.", for example, people don't usually interpret that to mean emotional/psychological violence. Flyer22 (talk) 20:24, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Discussion regarding the WP:Overlinking guideline[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking#Relax duplicate linking rule. A WP:Permalink for the discussion is here. You might also want to check out the Comments please on avoidable links and Nested links sections lower on that talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 21:20, 26 February 2015 (UTC)