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WikiProject icon This page is within the scope of the Wikipedia Help Project, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's help documentation for readers and contributors. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. To browse help related resources see the help menu or help directory. Or ask for help on your talk page and a volunteer will visit you there.
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Template talk:Game guide[edit]

The template renaming request has been relisted. Please join in to improve consensus. --George Ho (talk) 21:47, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:Bibleverse[edit]

Template:Bibleverse needs to be edited by and admin. The source code links to http://bibref.hebtools.com. That website is no longer active. User:Atethnekos edited Template:Bibleverse/sandbox which links to http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/bibleversefinder.php

{ { Bibleverse|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v–c:v|SOURCE } } John 1:1 Joel 4:2 1 Maccabees 2:1-5 are not working.
{ { Bibleverse/sandbox|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v–c:v|SOURCE } } John 1:1 Joel 4:2 1 Maccabees 2:1-5 are working.
The source code of Template:Bibleverse needs to be changed in its entirety to:the source code found here
Can someone take care of this? Kind regards, --@Efrat (talk) 06:54, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Never mind It's been fixed. --@Efrat (talk) 07:43, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

The Closing discussions page[edit]

Hi. I put a question up on the Wikipedia talk:Closing discussions Talk page. Doesn't appear to be too active over there. Wonder if a couple of folks interested in the whole Wikipedia Help project might look over there and suggest a next step.

Here is the specific discussion: Wikipedia_talk:Closing_discussions#Requesting_a_close.

Thanks much. Cheers. N2e (talk) 15:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Since this page is not much monitored nor very active, I went on to ask my question at the Wikipedia Teahouse on 27 November 2013. It was quickly and helpfully answered by Fuhghettaboutit on 28 November 2013, and the discussion may be found here.
Yes check.svg Done So in early February 2014, I have updated the "Closing discussions" page to make it explicit on where such requests may be made. Feel free to improve or copyedit what I added to that Help page. Cheers. N2e (talk) 14:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

JavaScript edit requests[edit]

See template talk:JavaScript where a new edit request template has been proposed -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 06:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Editor review#Mark Historical?[edit]

Note there is a discussion at the talk page on whether to mark it historical, it hasn't received attention for months. KonveyorBelt 16:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

MediaWiki Help instead of Help:Contents/Browse on the Main Page[edit]

Getting a link to MediaWiki Help instead of Help:Contents/Browse on the Main Page. I really rely on the Help:Contents/Browse functionality, how do we get it back? Djembayz (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I think this is one for the techies to look at - I've posted at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 124#Sidebar "Help" link broken. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Now fixed. the wub "?!" 23:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikipedia Help Project at Wikimania 2014[edit]

Project Leaflet WikiProject Medicine back and front v1.png

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to:

Project leaflets
Adikhajuria (talk) 17:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Help MOS[edit]

Greetings! I'm glad to see this project. If done well, and I believe it will be, not many projects will have such a great positive impact on the overall quality/consistency of Wikipedia articles. I'm considering signing up.

One of the first things that should be done---before any changes are made to help pages---is a "manual of style". It would standardize things like exactly how to represent variables, the characteristics of tables, and so forth. It's a big area and it alone could take half a year or so to complete; but I think it's critical to do it first.

Is this already being done? I didn't see anything like it on your main page. It could be that I just didn't look deep enough.

On a different topic, is there a "project manager" here? I.e., someone doing high-level planning and coordinating the activities of the worker bees? Mandruss (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the project Mandruss! As seen at Help:Help the help system is a bit of a mess. This has happened simply because of the way Wikipedia is - that is anyone can create pages, plus pages are divided up by name spaces. We have Policies, Guidelines, Help and advice pages "Essay" in different name spaces (thousands of pages). We take care of "how to" and some "general info page" - not policies, guidelines or the manual of style. Our project has its own MOS at Wikipedia:Help Project/Guidelines but its a project guide not a real MOS. May be a good idea to expand the page to tell all more on how best to present help info to our readers....however most people who come to this project are generally aware of the main MOS and use that as a format/style guide. We also have to remember project members and non-project members have their own ideas on how to present the help info. For example Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia has the same basic info that can bee seen at Wikipedia tutorial and Newcomers training and The Wikipedia Adventure all in different formats/styles. The most pressing thing is consolidation of current pages that regurgitate the same info in the same format that can be found at Help:Contents/Browse/Site map and Help:Contents/Directory. We don't really have a project manager ..a few take care of things like this project pages and news...but we all do what we like where we feel things need fixing or expanding. Jump in be bold - got more questions just ask. -- Moxy (talk) 22:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia[edit]

I have completed making a parent article on how and where people can help Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. User:Fuhghettaboutit has done a great job in helping with copyeditng and correcting some fine points (Thank you User:Fuhghettaboutit). Would love to get a third or even better yet a fourth set of eyes to go over the page. Would also be a good idea to mention this page in the next set of news letters. There is also a proposal to have the article linked on the left side of all pages ...see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#‎Add "Contributing to Wikipedia" to main left hand side info links-- Moxy (talk) 23:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:Co-op[edit]

Hi folks. I wanted to make a note that an Individual Engagement Grant proposal, Reimagining Wikipedia Mentorship was approved, and our team is through the first month of our grant. Our space will be called the Co-op, and I've posted some news detailing our first month's progress. Please check it out, as we intend for our planned mentorship space to complement and expand on collaborative efforts between editors that has already been established here. I, JethroBT drop me a line 19:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Article Assessment Within Help Project[edit]

Is there a link to how to assess Help Project articles? Also, since many of the help topics only require brief explanation, are we ruling out length as a major criterion for a certain assessment, assuming all other aspects are good to go? Upjav (talk) 03:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Answered my own question; put here for future reference in case anyone else has the same question - Wikipedia:Help_Project/Assessment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upjav (talkcontribs) 03:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

Wow, WP's help/Wikipedia pages really are a complex barren of confusing advice. If there are any users here, I was wondering how we actually assess these pages? I mean, what does 'C-class' or 'B-class' mean in terms of a help pages? I think perhaps if that was clarified there might be easier to target editing to help improve this situation. Some of my own thoughts (this is more like a wishlist):

  1. Clear division between instructions for admins, technical details, and instructions for users
  2. Minimising links to irrelevant policies and use of unique fonts/formatting devices
  3. Minimising duplication between help pages
  4. Presenting instructions in a clear way without an excessive number of pseudo-steps
  5. Using language that isn't legalistic and can easily be understood

These certainly aren't measurable, but by stating a few I hope to start a discussion with other users about what things are? If there was a way to get from C to B or whatever, and that clearly reflected how to make this system easier to understand, I'm sure there would be at least some interested users. --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

See post abovbe -- Moxy (talk) 20:00, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Two office hours about the Bugzilla-to-Phabricator migration[edit]

Next week Qgil-WMF will host two office hours to answer your questions about the Bugzilla to Phabricator migration:

These will be on #wikimedia-office connect. Information about how to join is available at m:IRC office hours. The plan is to start the migration on Friday 21 November at 00:30 UTC. More information will be posted at mw:Phabricator/versus_Bugzilla. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

We have Help:Category and Help:Categories. The latter ("Categories") is a small stub that describes itself as a "quick how-to guide". If that's the case it should be renamed -- in my opinion it's confusing to editors to have two help articles that appear to be about the same topic. Should they be merged? I'm asking here before formally proposing the merge as I haven't worked much in this area before. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

My view is that, while Help:categories is poorly named, it is actually a cool idea to have a beginners version of Help:Category. One solution would be to have it renamed to Help:Categories for beginners, or something like that, with a redirect on the old page. --Mrjulesd (talk) 22:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

News letter for 2014[edit]

ping User:The wub

So I think its time for news letter ....been some time and we have a few new participates to the project.

What should we mention in the news letter??

Was thinking we need to mention Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia (A main page) has been completely overhauled - including Wikimedia Foundation brochure (also just updated) and videos (one even has Jimbo in it). What have others been upto that we should mention??? --Moxy (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2014 (UTC)