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Telangana[edit]

I recently requested an edit for {{WikiProject India}} to include the |telangana= parameters shown on WP:WikiProject Telangana. I posted at Template talk:WikiProject India and WT:WikiProject Telangana, but apparently lost the note I wrote for this page. Sorry to leave you guys out. Your thoughts are appreciated. —PC-XT+ 08:50, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Support. Articles (Places) from Telangana under Andhra Pradesh WP need to be re-categorized under Telangana WP.--Redtigerxyz Talk 18:32, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
It's done! We can start recategorizing, now. —PC-XT+ 21:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Narendra Modi (2002 Gujarat riots)[edit]

Please provide your expertise on the issue "Narendra Modi (2002 Gujarat riots)" in the Biography of Living Persons Noticeboard. In my opinion, the article on 2002 Gujarat riots seriously misrepresents the views a couple of US Congressmen as the views of National Human Rights Commission and the US State Department. If you need more details please ask. Uday Reddy (talk) 16:50, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

wikisource:The Indian Biographical Dictionary (1915)[edit]

This is a huge list of Indian biographies that possibly should have their own article on Wikipedia. The text is in public domain.--Skr15081997 (talk) 09:01, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't suppose they all are notable by default. Are they? Also, there might be mistaken identities and caution needs to be exercised. For example, their Bhagat Singh is different from what we have at Bhagat Singh or Bhagat Singh Thind. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:31, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dharmadhyaksha: This is a very old work so it needs to be examined carefully. I agree that all of the entries are not notable. But we can use this biographical dictionary to fill the voids on Wikipedia.--Skr15081997 (talk) 09:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot.--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
The selection criteria is bizarre - no H. H. Risley or James Tod, for example - and I'd be really concerned about incorrect information in the original etc. I also have the horrible feeling we could end up with an awful lot of articles about really rather non-notable minor civil servants, local heroes etc. Don't forget that GNG requires multiple reliable sources and more than just passing mentions. This dictionary seems to me to be more of a directory of officeholders and I suspect that a lot of it was plagiarised from the East India Company's India Lists. With care, it might be useful to substantiate career progression but not much more than that.
And, please, don't copy/paste even though it is public domain: the problems caused by doing that are immense if/when articles are expanded, as is apparent in many of our older articles that used the (crap) 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica. When WP was attempting rapidly to expand, copy/pasting was viewed as an acceptable means of forging ahead but it is now deprecated and we should not be encouraging it. - Sitush (talk) 05:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
By all means inclusion in this book is not a qualifier. It also has many Maharajas, listed with their father's name, how much pension they get and where they stayed then. I have only recreated the list on en.wiki so we can mess it with our comments. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:11, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

requesting help for 'help video clip'[edit]

Hi, I came across one video clip for ULS help for Telugu language wikipedia as shown below. The clip is usefull but it does not show how to access help page. We will apreciate if some one helps us with simmiller clip for Marathi language.

Thanks & Regards Mahitgar (talk) 15:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Click on the 'cc to change the subtitle language and learn how to type in Telugu on Telugu Wikimedia projects from this video

Category rename[edit]

The category Category:Leaders of All India Muslim League is being considered for renaming to Category:All India Muslim League members. The discussion is ongoing here. An editor expressed concern that regular participants of related topics might not be aware of it and hence this note here. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:30, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Sachin Tendulkar (4th) GA nom[edit]

Please note that Sachin Tendulkar had been nominated for GA (fourth time) and is currently under review. Due to the unavailability of the nominator, requesting anybody interested in getting it passed as a good article to respond in the review here. Otherwise, the reviewer will have to fail it within a week. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Katariya[edit]

Hi. I was wondering if a Wikiproject India team member could have a look at Katariya. An editor has repeated a change to the location of this town. Thanks. -- Whpq (talk) 17:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@Whpq: It looks fine. I have just reviewed and categorized the article as well as fixed the coordinates of the location. CutestPenguin {talkcontribs} 18:11, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
The thing that is odd is that the provided reference (see [1]) from the 2011 Indian census indicates that it is located in Ambedkar Nagar district and not Gazipur (actually should that be Gazipur District?). Is it an error in the Indian census info?-- Whpq (talk) 18:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
There is more than one place named Katariya, possibly also Kataria, so this needs to be disambiguated. This article should return to the original Ambedkar Nagar location, and be renamed to Katariya, Ambedkar Nagar. The current link to the district takes you to a town in Bangladesh. Imc (talk) 18:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Wow. Missed that it was in Bangladesh. I'll revert back,a nd tehn try to communicate with the editor although it appears that he/she has a very poor command of English. I've started a discussion at Talk:Katariya#Kataria in Gazipur -- Whpq (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Article on Khariboli, Hindustani, Hindi and Urdu languages[edit]

Hi, All these articles mentioned a wrong information that Khariboli originated out of Hindustani, while in reality Hindustani evolved from Khariboli(a dialect of Western Hindi). Can anyone help to get that information changed.

Ashok4himself (talk) 19:01, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you provide reliable source to whatever you say? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Request to remove/delete Category:Kosala and its sub-categories.[edit]

Kosala is actually an ancient land somewhere in Northern India. But the pages attached to those categories are not related to that ancient kingdom. Few people claims that there region was in Kosala and they keep adding categories like Category:People from Kosala, Category:Geography of Kosala, Category:Economy of Kosala etc. But all these articles, categorized under above mentioned Categories, are actually related to Present Day Odisha. So delete those categories and add respective Odisha related Categories to the articles. After all Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not Separatists' Documentation.--Shiti (talk) 06:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Haven't looked in depth but probably the category only needs to be renamed to Category:Dakshina Kosala which would be about the colony of the Kosala kingdom which is discussed in Dakshina Kosala Kingdom. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Agreed with you. But the People who born in 90s should not to be added in "Category:People from Kosala" nor "Category:People from Dakshina Kosala". Similarly modern architectures, industries etc, should be added in Odisha related categories. Well History-related articles can have "dakshina kosala" category.--Shiti (talk) 18:13, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Shiti. The name "Kosala" itself does not have any official documentation from the government of Odisha where the region is geographically based now. Plus, Wikipedia cannot have articles/categories just based on personal and political propaganda that are not notable. --Psubhashish (talk) 19:00, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Shiti. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_23#Category:Kosala created. --Redtigerxyz Talk 20:09, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Pundarikakshan Perumal Temple article temple coordinates seen to be wrong[edit]

The coordinates to the above temple seems to be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kishorehere (talkcontribs) 18:24, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

HDVSL[edit]

I would like to draw attention of Indian editors and admins towards the article HDVSL, I believe this article is truly useful but need to do a lot of work in order to expend and improve it. CutestPenguin {talkcontribs} 14:57, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses[edit]

Pleas add information about this country to this articles--Kaiyr (talk) 13:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit-warring at Kayastha[edit]

Admin-intervention would be welcome. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:50, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

They've already had a caste sanctions warning. Take it to WP:AN3 and mention that - they need to be topic banned. I'm off out, so cannot do it.
And since I'm typing, does any regular here read Gujarati? If so, would they be willing to discuss something with me via email? - Sitush (talk) 09:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Nayee Braham drafts - socks or meat?[edit]

Earlier this month User:Davidwr mentioned several draft articles[2]. Today I found a discussion at User talk:Sitush#User:Nayar Caste initiated by Anna Frodesiak which I followed up. Deleted that page as it was a copy of http://nayeebrahmins.hpage.com/ which I also found in other drafts and I suspecth might have something to do with these drafts. Earlier we had Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Brahmin nayee a page which was created as an article in March by User:Brahmin nayee. Still existing is User:NAYEE BRAHMINS/sandbox created in April by User:NAYEE BRAHMINS whose Draft:NAYEE BRAHMINS I've deleted today as also copyvio from the same site. We have User:Niyoginayeebramhana with Draft:Niyoginayeebrahmins. That was created last December. User:Nayar, Nayer caste created a page on the 21st this month which is now deleted as copyvio from the same site. We also have User:Vaidyanayeebrahmin which is another draft which I think has a bit of copyvio from [3] still. I hope some of this makes sense. This could be one editor but it is just as likely to be multiple editors who think they are creating articles. Dougweller (talk) 14:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Bhagat Singh[edit]

Can someone familiar with the language have a look at this? The article follows the source but another editor (who I assume is fluent in the language) says it means something else. I suppose the source could be wrong or contains a sloppy translation. --NeilN talk to me 16:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

The source clearly says that the translation is "long live the revolution" (page 94). On page 102, it says that they raised slogans of "inqalab zindabad" and "down with imperialism" (note the 'and') and that's probably where the confusion stems from. I'll correct it. --regentspark (comment) 17:01, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Does it say "and"? It doesn't in my version, p. 101. - Sitush (talk) 17:10, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Thank you. The link actually goes to page 101 where there's no "and", just a comma. --NeilN talk to me 17:12, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
p.94 [4] clearly translates it as long live the revolution. On page 101, the sentence says they shouted revolutionary slogans (note the plural) "inqalab zindabad", "down with imperialism".--regentspark (comment) 17:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Sheesh, my eyesight is failing! - Sitush (talk) 17:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Inqalab means revolution and Zinda in Zindabad means alive .--Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 02:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
As Vigyani says. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Same as Vigyani, Dharmadhyaksha. --AmritasyaPutra 11:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Swami Isa[edit]

Dear India experts: Here is another of those old abandoned AfC submissions that will soon be deleted as a stale draft unless someone decides to work on it. I have a poor understanding of this topic, so I am reporting it here. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

It seems to be having details, can we not make it to article space yet? Editors can continue there, no? (I honestly don't know the procedure/expectation here). --AmritasyaPutra 11:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Anne Delong, the notability of the subject godman is questionable. Most references are primary/official site. The third party refs are news reports where he is mentioning in passing as founder of Isa Viswa Prajnana Trust.--Redtigerxyz Talk 18:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Details are good, AmritasyaPutra, but before being moved to mainspace the article needs three things: (1) It must strictly factual, with no praise or words suggesting that Wikipedia endorses him. (2) It must be supported by some newspaper, magazine, book, etc. writings that are not created by him or from within his organization, to show that he is generally well known enough for an article. (3) Any controversial or extraordinary facts must be cited inline (other more ordinary facts should be too, but that can wait until after it's moved). Right now the article is far from following these guidelines; if it were moved to mainspace it would be deleted pretty quickly. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Dates of festivals[edit]

Hi All! I posted this at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) few days back but have no reply. I guess people over there aren't much into non-sense stuff like this. Face-wink.svg Hence reposting it here....
Various festivals, like the Category:Hindu festivals, Category:Islamic festivals and many others follow the calendars of their respective religions. Most calendars being lunar, there is no fixed date of Gregorian calendar to observe a given festival. Hence, the infobox of these articles includes few recent dates; e.g. see Eid al-Fitr where 2013-16 dates are seen. These dates would vanish after a few years and would be replaced with the then recent ones. Now my question is; is this historic data worth keeping somewhere or is it trivial enough to let go? If not in Wikipedia, is there any other project which would store this database; maybe Wikidata? Basically if and when expanded it would be a comparison of various calendars. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:37, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Good question DD. How about a List of Eid al-Fitr Dates? --regentspark (comment) 11:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Is that notable to stay? We do have List of dates for Easter. But that seems to be a notable topic since ages. Also, Eid was just an example. Would List of dates of Diwali, and other many festivals, be equally able to stay? Someone keen in Horology (is that the right subject?) would be able to state it. Will wait for some time and then drop a message at Wikipedia:WikiProject Time. User:Titodutta and User:Viswaprabha, as you are listed members of WP:TIMEPRO, can you help? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:19, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I think it is notable enough to stay. Since the dates of these festivals vary, a list tracking historical (and future) dates is encyclopedic - imo anyway. Let's see what other opinions show up. --regentspark (comment) 13:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I too am of the opinion that we must keep all such dates recorded, if possible, even from an earlier timebase. The advantages of keeping such dates are many. For eg: many a times, the date of birth of historic personalities are mentioned with reference to a local calendar or a special ('festival') day. Such biographies can be enriched with better time data with strong citations if there is a mechanism to cross-check the calendars. Even some other notable old events (eg. a disaster at Kumbh Mela) may be directly connected to a festival day. ViswaPrabhaവിശ്വപ്രഭtalk 13:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
      • No idea :( Wat's aboput someone who knows both Wikipedia and Islam? Omer123Hussain? --TitoDutta 21:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Tito, umm isn't this about keeping date list in Wikipedia in general? --AmritasyaPutra 04:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant in general.
Actually, for Islamic festivals the notability is still better. Because the gulf countries, which house the majority of the population and have the major religious sites, happen to see the moon on a different day than other countries. And then there is always an issue of when to celebrate the Eid. With Hindu festivals that doesn't happen; except for maybe few festivals like the Datta Jayanti. I had written about it on User:Redtigerxyz's talk page which is archived now at User_talk:Redtigerxyz/Archive_19#Datta_Jayanti. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Hindu Festivals like Islamic festivals depend on location and might differ for two cities and difference is quite noticeable for cities in different time zones. See [5]. Because India has the largest Hindu population, Indian dates are recorded in wikipedia. Then we have different conventions of Indian calendar in the North and the South [6]. I remember there is at least 1 festival Maharashtra and the South celebrated on a different Georgian calendar day than the North, however I don't remember the festival or the year. Redtigerxyz Talk 06:24, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

FYI. Methinks you can go ahead with this.--regentspark (comment) 15:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Afd[edit]

Hello friends, here again after quite sometime. Need some help here. I'm not sure if the subject meets GNG. And on the other hand the author has some serious WP:COI issues. Thanks, Jim Carter (from public cyber) 10:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Aripalam[edit]

Dear India experts: Is this old AfC submission about a real village? Should it be kept and improved instead of being deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Anne Delong, It is a real village with a pincode and a bank [7] IMO, needs to be retained as per WP:GEOLAND. Census of India, 1961: Kerala [8] mentions about a church there. The village is mentioned in other ref [9], as well known weaving centers.--Redtigerxyz Talk 14:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Redtigerxyz. I added the references and have moved the article to mainspace. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)