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Requested move of Kosher tax (antisemitic canard)[edit]

Requested move of Kosher tax (antisemitic canard), discussion. IZAK (talk) 08:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Shaddai[edit]

moved from Talk:Judaism. Thanks Debresser, I'm an idiot

This article is a messy amalgam of three different concepts. I've proposed splitting it and making the page a disambiguation at Talk:Shaddai. Please contribute to the discussion. --Dweller (talk) 10:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

For posts like this we have WT:JUDAISM. Debresser (talk) 10:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Best sources[edit]

For information that is widely available, such as that there are two berachos before Kriyas Shema, which types of sources are best to use?

  • The earliest possible - in this case, the Mishna in Berachos
  • A later, widely accepted halachic text - the Mishnah Berurah
  • A modern informational guide - Chabad.org
  • A scholarly encyclopedia - Encyclopedia Judaica

Which types are the most preferable? (feel free to mention any I forgot to list) -- Ypnypn (talk) 17:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

For simple statements of fact, I prefer using a traditional source relevant to current practice (i.e. Mishnah Berurah in this case) and, in the spirit of WP:PRIMARY and WP:NPOV, a "neutral" secular source alongside it (e.g. the Jewish Encyclopedia), to support at least the general concept. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Mishna and Mishnah Berurah, it's important to note that in the spirit of Wikipedia:NON ENGLISH, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones whenever available. -- -- -- 04:15, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I'd use a Hebrew-English Siddur. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
That would require determining the beginning- and end-points of each bracha, etc., which could fall short of a strict interpretation of WP:OS. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:04, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

If possible, regardless of the language issues, it's always better to cite a secondary source that describes something about a primary source, rather than the primary source itself. It's not always possible, but surely this must be a case where it is...? I'd go for the third or fourth options, otherwise the siddur itself, like StevenJ81 suggests. The Mishnah Berurah (and even more so the Mishnah!) isn't a great choice because in many cases some or all strands of orthodoxy don't follow its rulings. --Dweller (talk) 16:50, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

@Dweller: On the other hand, at least the Shulchan Aruch etc are secondary or tertiary sources, unlike the Siddur itself. -- Ypnypn (talk) 13:21, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I think the best sources for such articles are English language books. This is why on kashrut I used the widely respected book by B. Forst rather than just the Shulchan Aruch for referencing the list of determinants of kashrut. For the structure of tefillah, there are a number of books in English that can be used, e.g. Elie Munk's "World of Prayer" or similar works. JFW | T@lk 13:26, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Hillel the Elder[edit]

Something weird going on in footnotes 4 and 5. Seems like someone's trying to prove that Hillel said things before the Koran did, but it's poorly explained, in the wrong place, fairly baffling and, it would seem, unnecessary. --Dweller (talk) 13:56, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems like some editor has fixed this. I also made a minor edit there, the article looks better now. Yambaram (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

High Council of B'nei Noah[edit]

Is this organisation actually notable enough for an article of its own? Dougweller (talk) 15:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite confident that it is notable enough. I just made a few improvements to the article now. Regards Yambaram (talk) 12:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Ethnicity[edit]

An IP, asserting the Jews are not an ethnicity (despite me pointing him here), is making deletions based on this assertion, as here.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Epeefleche. I've reverted the IP and added the page to my watchlist. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:02, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:06, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/jicny[edit]

Dear editors: Here's an old Afc submission that will soon be deleted as a stale draft unless someone decides that it's a notable topic and fixes it up to the point that it can be added to the encyclopedia. Any takers? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for this post. I decided to take care of this, and just worked on the article and copied it to my name space, where I'll improve it until it meets Wikipedia's standards. It can accessed here: User:Yambaram/Jewish International Connection of New York. Regards Yambaram (talk) 22:12, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Yambaram. It's great that you have decided to improve this draft. Please, next time though, move the existing page to your user area rather than make a second copy. I've tagged the article for a history merge, and the two should be back together shortly. Then you can work on it at your leisure. Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 22:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Alright I see, thanks! Once I finish working on it, do you know if I have to submit it at Afc, or can I just upload it/create it as a new article? Yambaram (talk) 23:01, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
You can do either. As an experienced editor, you don't have to use Afc; you can just move it to the new title. I sometimes still submit an article if I am closely connected to the subject, just to make sure that it will pass notability, but it's totally optional. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:01, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Question -- (about "Members" list)[edit]

I saw the ["Members"] list at Portal:Judaism/Information and I was going to ask for some advice -- about how to "decide" whether to add my name to that list.

However, when I went to the "Talk:" page there (Portal_talk:Judaism/Information), it was empty, and it seemed to be sorta recommending this page instead.

Any advice? Thank you. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 00:59, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I think we should just delete that list, it hasn't been touched since 2009, and I'm not sure there's value in having a members list for the portal separate from the members list of the WikiProject.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:13, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I did a lot of work redesigning the portal over the past couple of years, and never noticed that page. -- Ypnypn (talk) 01:40, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
What do you think should be done with these pages then? Yambaram (talk) 22:18, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I just nominated it for deletion.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 22:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Before it's deleted, maybe we should move the names from that list to Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Members. Yambaram (talk) 23:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

A Contract with God Featured Article Candidate[edit]

I've put the article for Will Eisner's 1978 graphic novel A Contract with God up as a Featured Article Candidate. Everyone is encouraged to participate in the review at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/A Contract with God/archive1. Thanks, Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

al-Quds Day bias[edit]

I was wondering if Wikiproject Judiasm could review the article on Quds Day for bias. The article describes Qud's day as a protest to "express solidarity with the Palestinian people and oppose Zionism", while giving no criticism over the holiday's links to terrorist organizations and militant antisemitism. Monochrome Monitor (talk) 01:57, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Categories for renaming and moving[edit]

Please see:

Thank you, IZAK (talk) 05:18, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Also relevant, see the following:
Thanks.GreyShark (dibra) 17:01, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Assisted help request[edit]

CorinneSD has requested help via the {{help}} template at User talk:CorinneSD#Merkabah mysticism regarding a Hebrew translation, more specifically the spelling, at Merkabah mysticism. Would someone more knowledgeable of the subject matter here be able to help them out? Thank you, Mkdwtalk 19:33, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 06/04[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Handwashing in Jewish Law. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 08/04[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jewish poetry from Al-Andalus. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:58, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Holocaust cat changes[edit]

Here is a discussion w/regard to changing the cats for Jewish people killed in the Holocaust.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Romemu[edit]

Dear editors: Here's an old Afc submission that will soon be deleted as a stale draft unless someone takes an interest in it. Is this a notable topic, and should the page be saved and improved? —Anne Delong (talk) 02:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study[edit]

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