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Suggestion for the 10th point on Caveat lector[edit]

I think we should address that some users have been topic banned or restricted from editing a number of pages, thus they cannot raise their edit counts like most of the other users. OccultZone (Talk) 03:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Good point. Wouldn't it be useful to find a way to add Banned and Restricted categories to the User Groups column? SteveMcCluskey (talk) 03:00, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Not sure, unless there were any hidden categories from start. Are there? OccultZone (Talk) 03:10, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that topic bans and restrictions always reduce peoples edit count. Someone who gets restricted from editing in a particular area and instead uses huggle or AWB may have an increase in edit count. More seriously at present the only things we list are user rights which are positives. If we were to turn this into a list of users with restrictions then it would become in part a name and shame list, at best we would then expect some of them to opt out, at worst it would get this list deleted. ϢereSpielChequers 22:34, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
@WereSpielChequers: I don't think it will be wise to tag people with "TB"(topic banned) label. But yes, we can address this issue like I've noted above. You cannot use huggle or even AWB on those subjects where you've been topic banned. Those who are topic banned, they most probably quit wikipedia(or I know at least a few who did) or they sock all the way to indef block. There are some who still remain with the hope that they will be unbanned from the topic someday, while some people don't bother so much. OccultZone (Talk) 00:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
The two most prominent examples that I can think of, prominent that is because they are very high on this list, are a Wikipedian who is banned from automated editing and a Wikipedian who was banned from certain areas within Wikipedia Talk but welcome to do their valuable work with AWB. The effect on their editing is significant, especially in the former case, but goes in opposite directions. One has been greatly slowed down in his editing, the other was speeded up. ϢereSpielChequers 08:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Taking a completely different tack on this, I don't see why this proposed 10th point is either necessary or appropriate. The list's intro says quite clearly: There are many reasons why a total number of edits usually does not indicate quality of work, quality of an editor, or significance of contributions. If users are topic banned or restricted, then their edits have had quality issues. The fact that they might have a higher total if they'd been able to make additional problematic edits is irrelevant, and does not belong on this page. (The same would therefore apply to SteveMcCluskey's idea.) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Inactive users are noted by not being linked. 117Avenue (talk) 02:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: You haven't wrote anything concerning the 10th point. Your different tack is either so inappropriate or invisible that it is lacking sense. If there are "many reasons", then why even 9 points have been indicated? Agreed with the comment above that inactive users are already de-linked. You are not topic banned only for the quality issues, but also because of the long series of edit wars. Many times edit warring has to do nothing with the quality of editing. OccultZone (Talk) 04:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone, I did write about the 10th point. I said that that these theoretical additional edits that problematic editors weren't allowed to make were irrelevant here, since the points in this section are about quality and/or significance. Therefore, your proposed 10th point was not appropriate for this list. As for why nine points have been indicated, I'm guessing that this is how many were considered germane, and the last time I looked, nine qualifies for "many". (Why you think edit wars say nothing about the quality of editing is baffling to me: it's disruptive to Wikipedia, and therefore an indication of quality problems.) BlueMoonset (talk) 05:21, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: But you are not getting the point. I can provide a example, if someone changes the line on this page "Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat;" to "Israeli defeat; Palestinian Arab victory;" and one editor reverts this change twice under 24 hours, he/she will receive a block for breaking the 1rr sanctioned rule. Edit warring is far different than disruptive editing. Topic ban can be sanctioned for long term disruptive editing, but also for edit warring. The sentence you have pointed to,(in green) it doesn't mention any sanction or topic ban. OccultZone (Talk) 05:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone, I have gotten the point, thank you. It's clear you want this addition; I strongly believe it is unnecessary and doesn't belong on the page. We will have to agree to disagree, and I'm hereby on record as opposing your proposal. The caveat lector section is just there to give some examples as to why the total number of edits may not truly reflect a person's total contribution to Wikipedia, and adding every minor category would be counterproductive. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that it's relevant enough to add. The others are like "these numbers may not be accurate" or "these numbers may not reflect quality". This is more like "these numbers are accurate, but they might have been different, if the person hadn't gotten into trouble". If we add that, we would need to think about adding things like "these numbers are accurate, but they might have been different, if the person hadn't gotten a job/died/had their computer break/gone in vacation/moved someplace with a slow internet connection/etc". The fact that people have different opportunities just doesn't seem to be relevant to understanding the list of numbers themselves. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:43, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
@WhatamIdoing:, you seem to be forgetting that whether this page or any other "Wikipedia:" page, they are not concerned with anything that happens outside wikipedia. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 11:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @WereSpielChequers: Replying to your above comment. I agree, we've got members who have been banned from using any thing that resembles automated or even semi-automated tool. Topic ban or sanctions are just not limited with the content but also from these technical forms. OccultZone (Talk) 08:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

No update[edit]

Resolved: migrated to labs

No update for three weeks. Anyone know what's wrong? Tigerboy1966  05:54, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I've also noticed that, but I have no idea what's going on. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 12:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
See User talk:MZMcBride#BernsteinBot. Jenks24 (talk) 12:39, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Also Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 128#Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits not updating. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:08, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
We lost this report as a result of the toolserver migration to labs. I will file a bot request. ϢereSpielChequers 22:47, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi WereSpielChequers, your request just got archived with no answers [1] - I would guess it was a bit too undefined without a specific list of what useful toolserver functions did not get migrated. Maybe this, and any other found, should be requested again but as a specific requirements? KylieTastic (talk) 09:28, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Also it might help the request if this link [2] was included for reference. KylieTastic (talk) 12:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I have re-request a bot take just this task over. linky KylieTastic (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Due to popular demand MZMcBride has migrated this report to labs. ϢereSpielChequers 23:07, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Great, thumbs up! — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Was the edit count supposed to go down? 117Avenue (talk) 04:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I've just updated the record, as I do every two months, and some of the numbers are still going down. 117Avenue (talk) 04:52, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi 117Avenue If you mean the figures between your "July 31, 2014" and "September 3, 2014" updates I think this would be because of the bots WereSpielChequers removed after the 31st July see here - Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 08:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh I thought July 31 was stable. Thanks. 117Avenue (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
When bots become inactive they eventually have their bot flag removed. So this list relies on people (usually me) updating the list of unregistered bots, and this report then excludes registered bots and unregistered bots that are on the list of unregistered bots. We can't simply exclude accounts with bot in the title because some people have bot in their name. During the hiatus earlier this year when the list was not being produced the crats did a purge of inactive bots so there were a whole bunch of them to remove after the list started running again. Of course that won't effect anyone's edit count, but it will have effected some people's position in the list. There was also a big drop in some people's edit counts listed here, for me it now agrees with what I get from preferences so either both are wrong or both right but at least they are now consistent. ϢereSpielChequers 11:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Counts on user page[edit]

Users can display some counts on their user page:

154,000+ This user has made more than 154,000 contributions to Wikipedia.
Ellipse sign 105.svg This user is ranked 105 on the list of Wikipedians by number of edits.

What is not displayed is the number of articles created, only the ranking. I would like that to be displayed, but I don't know where to ask. Any advice? Anyone able to make a display?--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

@Dthomsen8: See Wikipedia:Userboxes/Wikipedia/Personal statistics for several userboxes that would display the number of articles created. GoingBatty (talk) 14:59, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Count question[edit]

There are multiple ways of counting edits, per WP:EC. I'm curious to know which method this page uses. The count that appears on [{WP:POPUPS]] for my username is 26,783. The count on the labs edit count tool is 26,370 + 703 deleted edits for a total of 27,973. The count number used on this page (26,290 on 6/25/14, plus about 550 edits since then) seems closer to the popups number but I can't tell if it's identical. If there's a concise way to characterize how these counts are done, per the variations listed on WP:EC, it would be good to add that information at the top of this page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

The latest update has made the page much easier to understand, as the new figures exactly match those shown by WP:POPUPS. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
It's made my count drop relative to adminstats: previously, this report showed a figure about 350 greater than Template:Adminstats/Redrose64 (Edits+Deleted); now it shows a figure 907 less than adminstats. I've lost about 1250 edits. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:49, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm glad it's finally been fixed. Counts here had been off for over two and a half years: they were slightly inflated (160, then about 3%) starting around the beginning of February 2012, and significantly more inflated after the database rebuild in mid-August of the same year (over 400), where it stayed until today. For the first time since August 2012, the number in the latest list here matches the number given by Preferences for me, which in turn is only 68 below the User Analysis (wmflabs supercount tool) result (which includes 46 deleted edits). This is pretty close for a 30K+ edit total. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
It now agrees with my edit count in preferences. How the move to labs has reduced the number of alternative realities is beyond my ken, perhaps someone from CERN can explain. But for me at least preferences and labs are now in the same dimension. I think we can conclude however that adminstats is in a parallel universe. ϢereSpielChequers 10:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

position in list, or why some people are about to jump dozens of places[edit]

During the July interregnum when this list was not being updated, by coincidence there was a big purge and dozens of inactive bots, some inactive for several years, were deflagged. Therefore they have started appearing on this list and some people will have slipped dozens of places. Redrose John of Reading and I have started adding them to the deflagged bot list, but people, especially those in positions 3,000 - 10,000 are going to see some oddities in their position until the cleanup is completed. ϢereSpielChequers 08:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@WereSpielChequers: I have? Did I promise something last week, possibly whilst intoxicated? I told you that beer tasted funny. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I've obviously failed to sober up yet from the Sunday before last. Can't understand how I got you two confused. ϢereSpielChequers 10:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Can a list be created of only active users?[edit]

Since there are users on this list who have not edited for a number of years, a second, associated, list with a nearly-same title, except for one word, "active", Wikipedia:List of active Wikipedians by number of edits, could be created, which would contain only those editors whose user name is linked. No one should feel slighted or excluded since this, original, list would still exist, while anyone taking a Wikibreak would automatically become part of the new list upon making an edit. Each list would have a link to the other list and the same [Placeholder] opt-outs would apply to both lists. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

There are many active users that prefer not to create a userpage. Simply south ...... sitting on fans for just 8 years 10:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I suspect Roman Spinner is referring to the distinction the list makes between the linked names (indicating active users) and the unlinked names (indicating inactive users). The links can be red or blue. If so, the simplest answer would seem to be for the bot that creates this list to add another numeric column, skipping inactive users in the count. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:12, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
There used to be Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits. 117Avenue (talk) 03:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Agreed with 117Avenue, if you want to recognize the active wikipedians, just open some discussion about Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 03:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
The reactivation of Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits would, indeed, be welcome as providing a count approached from another perspective, but it would not achieve the same purpose as my original proposal. A glance at the recent edits list in its final update, "Period: 2013-09-01 — 2013-09-30 (UTC)", indicates that it is focused to such a dedicated degree upon the recent (i.e. 30-day) count of edits that it sidelines the total count. In other words, the "Total Edits" column would only include those editors who were among the top 5000 editors in making edits within the past 30 days. Longtime editors who may have a high total edit count, but have been otherwise preoccupied for the past month or two months or six months and only had time to make one or two edits per day, thus remaining active, but having a low recent edit count, would drop off the list altogether, while very recent editors, who have just started, would occupy the entire bottom of the list with such statistics as Total Edits: 95, Recent Edits: 95. As can be confirmed by clicking on the descending order sorting arrow within the final, September 2013, incarnation of the list's "Total Edits", brand-new editors who only started editing and whose total count is the same as their count within the past 30 days, occupy over a thousand places at the bottom of the list. There is, of course, nothing wrong with such a count and, furthermore, it encourages new editors by giving them a list which provides an accounting of their starting efforts. However, in returning to the original proposal, the Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits, while welcome, would not be able to rank, in its most recent form, solely active editors in order of the totality of their edits. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 08:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Oppose. Serves no encyclopedic purpose beyond a new and improved pissing contest, with less contestants. Wikipedia is an endeavor to create encyclopedia. Next thing and one starts demanding List of LGBT editors by number of edits or, better, as the recent fad goes, List of female wikipedians by number of edits. -No.Altenmann >t 15:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
This is merely a discussion — there is no need to cast votes — or aspersions. The "Oppose" is presumably against the creation of Wikipedia:List of active Wikipedians by number of edits, against the reactivation of Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits and against the continuation of Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. One need only to consult the archives of these discussions for discovery of the few determined Wikipedians who have been militating against such lists for a good number of years. This list, however, has survived because it is an internal matter, supported by consensus, and not part of the main encyclopedic body. The proposed List of active Wikipedians by number of edits would not be a separate endeavor such as the redlinks sarcastically put forth in the above posting, but simply a split-off from the already-existing Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. Let us attend to this process in good faith. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
re:"this is merely a discussion" - so very nice of you. Impying me being not part of a discussion, right? A smart way to get consensus. And how is that my suggestions are not spin-offs. Per User:Wavelength, we may have sortable columns by sex/gender, number of userboxen and so on. Yes, this list survived. But you may be surprised to learn how many various wikifun activities didn't after "a good number of years". Consensus may change, so why don't we keep my opinion noted, even if not accepted, OK? -No.Altenmann >t 03:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
No one has come out in favor of a one-sided discussion, since the only exchange of views worth having is one with opposing sides. However, the use of intemperate terminology and inappropriate sarcasm, tends to diminish the influence of your words. Unlike your derisive proposals for lists, my suggestion for Wikipedia:List of active Wikipedians by number of edits is a very modest one, which does not even need to result in the creation of a separate list. As User:Mike Christie pointed out above, "the simplest answer would seem to be for the bot that creates this list to add another numeric column, skipping inactive users in the count". —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 12:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Have you opened a discussion about Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits yet? That seems to be most reasonable. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 12:46, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I have not, as yet, but I do agree with the list's introductory "Note: This is a non-essential, "nice to have" page". As I indicated above, I would welcome its reactivation, although it would not fulfill the function for which I opened this discussion — that of listing all active Wikipedians by the total number of their edits. If such a discussion is opened, I will support the proposal but, for the time being, should concentrate on my original initiative. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 16:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
The present list can have a sortable column for "Date and time of most recent edit".
Wavelength (talk) 19:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
It could, but it would increase the size of the page - and that is a problem, especially for editors whose IT set up puts this page at the limit of what they can open. It also wouldn't give you Wikipedia:List of active Wikipedians by number of edits, but Wikipedia:List of high edit count Wikipedians by recency of their latest edit. To create Wikipedia:List of active Wikipedians by number of edits you need to filter out inactive Wikipedians. ϢereSpielChequers 08:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)