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One of the important concepts that should be emphasized, which the Smithsonian does a great job, is changing the framing of our history from "European conquest" to "European invasion". The small pox epidemic was a critical component of Spaniard colonization. "Conquest" mistakenly suggests the colonization took place purely due to military strategy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.35.158 (talk) 23:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Mesoamerica students[edit]

In this semester I will be teaching a course in Mesoamerican culture and History at the University of Copenhagen and I am going to combine this with having my students improving some selected articles as part of their assignments. I am thinking of working on Mesoamerica, Zapotec civilization, Mixtec civilization, Mesoamerican religion and Mesoamerican calendars and possibly Aztec. So please be kind and helpful to my students who will probably have some beginners problems finding the right formatting and writing styles. If any problems or disputes should arise as a result of this I will be more than ready to help out.·Maunus·ƛ· 10:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey Maunus, fantastic, sounds good (& congrats on the position, btw!) Sure, we'll do all we can to help 'em out, articles on zapotec & mixtec would particularly benefit, but any of them would be great. With the prior examples of Hoopes' KU student exercises before us, it should not be a prob at all. Maybe if you set up a subpg somewhere & list out the usernames once you're starting, we can help look out for them. Feel free to use this talkpg as a common/coordination ground if you want, up to you of course. Look forward to it, saludos! --cjllw ʘ TALK 03:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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Takalik Abaj FA nom[edit]

Hi all. Takalik Abaj is currently at WP:FAC and is in danger of being mothballed due to lack of interest. I'd therefore like to invite any comments at the review page. My thanks to those who have already contributed, Simon Burchell (talk) 23:34, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Takalik Abaj has just been promoted. My thanks to everyone who came by to the review page. :) Simon Burchell (talk) 09:59, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Mokaya culture[edit]

Hello. I found a page, User:Swargin, which contains information about the Mokaya culture, a supposed culture which developed in mesoamerica before the Olmec civilization. Is it true information or false? Should it be moved to the mainspace if it's true? JuanJose (talk) 14:38, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi JuanJose. I've answered your query that you left on my talkpage. At a glance (and brief search) it looks genuine. I would be uncomfortable about lifting something out of userspace without the user's permission. User:Swargin only made one contribution and that page was it, all in one go, so it could even be copied word for word from a copyrighted source. The user does have their email active, so the best option would be to drop them an email and see if they reply (but don't hold your breath). Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I am creating an article for Mokaya as it is clearly missing.·Maunus·ƛ· 16:27, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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Mesoamerica articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release[edit]

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Cultures and Archaeological Sites[edit]

For the last couple of years I have been working on a personal research project, identifying cultures and archaeological sites for the entire continent, have over 800 articles, and my aim is to translate all, to offer the same information in both languages. That is not the case today. Also I have found many sites are not available in Wikipedia at all; some only in English and others in Spanish.

I would be happy to participate on the project and help on any way I can, also, could use some help in digesting the information and make it fit for Wikipedia. I am somewhat new here, and getting help could expedite uploading the information I have.

Can use some help in segregating the articles, between regions, cultures, location, religions, languages, etc.

Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer - any help with WikiProject Mesoamerica is always welcome, just remember to cite your sources. If you have any specific queries, please contact me at my talk page. I am active on both English and Spanish wikipedias, but you're much more likely to get a rapid reply on my English talkpage. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 21:05, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Aztec articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release[edit]

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I'm sorry this note was delayed; the note higher up was delivered as intended. Thanks again, — Carl (CBM · talk) 17:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing[edit]

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New source[edit]

Biblioteca Digital Mexicana is born.

El Comandante (talk) 15:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice! Simon Burchell (talk) 16:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

New mayanist source : PARI n°2[edit]

Hi,

The number 2 of the PARI Journal has been published.

El Comandante (talk) 22:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Copán lords getting drunk! Excellent stuff! Simon Burchell (talk) 22:13, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

2 new sources on animals in prehispanic America[edit]

Hi,

  1. site of the Templo Mayor museum : Simbolismo de los animales prehispánicos ;
  2. blog ArKeopatías : Los animales en el mundo prehispánico. Una perspectiva desde la Semiótica de la Cultura.

El Comandante (talk) 20:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Maya stelae FA nom[edit]

Hi, I've just posted Maya stelae at WP:FAC and would welcome any comments on the review page. Thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 00:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject Indigenous peoples of the Americas[edit]

I'm proposing the development of a new Wikiproject for indigenous peoples of all of the Americas, from ancient times to present at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Indigenous peoples of the Americas. This would tackle indigenous articles in the scope of the Americas and coordinate areas not looked at by WP:MESO and WP:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. For instance this Wikiproject would be a place to organize and develop articles about indigenous peoples of Mesoamerica in the last five centuries and today. Please commment on the proposal page if you have any interest in this project. Thanks, -Uyvsdi (talk) 02:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Updating the article watchlist[edit]

Does anyone know how to update the Mesoamerica article list so the changes appear on the project watchlist? CJ is not around so much these days and always used to do this. New Mesoamerica articles are no longer showing up on the watchlists, even though they have been tagged with the project banner. Simon Burchell (talk) 11:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyvios[edit]

Gumr51 (talk · contribs) has contributed several articles about interesting Mesoamerican sites and topics over the past few months. Unfortunately in all of the cases I have thus far reviewed he has done so by translating diretly from thirdhand, copyrighted websites (to which he luckily refers as sources for the statements so that they are easily identifiable). I have had to remove most of the material at the articles El Cerrito (archaeological site), Las Flores (archaeological site), Ometepe and I have only just started looking through his contributions. It is a real shame - since many of these topics are obviously notable and would make great articles if someone took the time to actually write them instead of just copying it into google translate directly from the source website. I am going to need help looking through his numerous contributions and if someone has time to salvage some of the articles he has created instead of just removing the copyvio's that would be excellent - I don't have that time myself. This topic came to my attention because apparently Gumr51 had similar problems at the Spanish wiki but decided to leave and join us instead of helping the administrators over there clean up his mess - luckily an ES-wiki admin notified me that the same problems seemed to be occurring here, I checked it and he was right. ·Maunus·ƛ· 02:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

"American Indians"[edit]

See Talk:Native Americans in the United States where it is to be renamed to a term that uses "American Indian" without any mention of the United States. As "American Indian" has been used to describe aboriginal peoples of the Americas in the past, this might be of interest to you. 65.93.15.213 (talk) 05:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Neutral opinion requested[edit]

I would like a neutral opinion from editors knowledgable about Mesoamerica. I'm in an edit dispute at Salvia hispanica (also known as "chia") over the addition of content relating to the plant's use in Mesoamerica. Would anyone interested please chime in at Talk:Salvia hispanica? Thank you, First Light (talk) 05:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Ceramics of indigenous peoples of the Americas[edit]

Would anyone here care to provide a brief overview of Mesoamerican pottery/ceramics for Ceramics of indigenous peoples of the Americas? The section definitely needs a re-write and it would be great to have someone specifically knowledgeable about Mesoamerican cultures to write it. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Portal:History[edit]

Is up for FPOC. This is one of the highest (if not the highest) visibility portal on Wikipedia, I recommend commenting on it! Cheers, ResMar 23:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month[edit]

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Mesoamerica will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in within Mesoamerican history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 20:36, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Spanish conquest of Guatemala FA nom[edit]

Hi all. I've just posted Spanish conquest of Guatemala as a Featured Article Candidate and invite any comments on its review page. Thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 23:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Mesoamerica Portal[edit]

Hi all. I think it's about time we set up a Mesoamerica Portal - I'll likely be trying a few things out in userspace over the next few days, but any comments or suggestions would be welcome. Simon Burchell (talk) 10:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, I dived straight in and created Portal:Mesoamerica. Still needs a lot of work, and some more selected pictures would be good - my mind's gone blank and I tend to be biased towards archaeology; I'm sure there's more stuff we could use than yet another pyramid, or artefact. Simon Burchell (talk) 18:40, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Olmec colossal heads FA nom[edit]

Hi all. I've just posted Olmec colossal heads as a Featured Article Candidate and invite any comments on its review page. Thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 20:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Ancient Civilizations Textbook[edit]

Hello all! I’m working with the Saylor foundation to create a series of original, crowd-sourced textbooks that will be openly licensed and freely available on the web and within Saylor’s free, self-paced courses at Saylor.org. We are using Wikibooks as a platform to host this project and hope to garner the interest of existing members of the Wikibooks and Wikipedia community, as well as bring in new members! We thought that some of your members may be interested in contributing to our book Saylor.org's Ancient Civilizations of the World. (talk)--Thomas Simpson (talk) 15:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

La Ciudad Blanca[edit]

I request that WikiProject Mesoamerica editors monitor the article La Ciudad Blanca for appropriate content. Although this is about a semi-legendary place in eastern Honduras, east of the traditional boundary of Mesoamerica and part of the Isthmo-Colombian Area, folklore and scientific interpretations have frequently identified Ciudad Blanca as being Mesoamerican in character. The article cites Toltec and Aztec mythology, including stories of Quetzalcoatl and makes comparisons between recent data and that from Copán and Caracol. Chris Fisher, the archaeologist for a current project researching Ciudad Blanca, is a Mesoamericanist. Hoopes (talk) 19:15, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Horrible Histories[edit]

Hi. We're having a discussion on the fate of Horrible Histories TV show at: Horrible Histories (2009 TV series)#Moving on. As a relevant Wikiproject, we would greatly appreciate it if you would voice your opinion on the talk page, or to have a crack at editing and improving it. Thankyou for your time. :)--Coin945 (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed rename of Moctezuma II to Montezuma II[edit]

Please participate in the discussion at the talkpage: Talk:Moctezuma_II#Requested_moveUser:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:18, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

"America"[edit]

The usage of "America" is up for discussion, see talk:America -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:01, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Americas[edit]

FYI, there's a proposal to create a western hemisphere coordinating project above NA/SA/etc. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Americas -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

FAR notification[edit]

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Mayan caves in the Yucatan ( seeking additional information for this article)[edit]

Hello ! I have a question about Maya archeology . In the mid- 90s . I watched an interesting TV show . In it a group of people studied karst system in the Yucatan . At the deepest and furthest from the surface of the cave they found a small, stuffy stones input ( such as having the right kind of masonry ) , allegedly leading to the lower world (or sanctuary) Maya. This entry allegedly walled Mayan priests to keep out strangers in a holy place (like Spanish ) when they invaded their land. Log in to open did not. In this TV show is over. For information about entering I have never found . If you know , please tell me : what was this cave , and where in fact this is the input? Thank you in advance. text in Russian - http://www.mezoamerica.ru/forum1/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2131 . Vyacheslav84 (talk) 11:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Spanish conquest of Petén FA nom[edit]

Hi all. I've just posted Spanish conquest of Petén as a Featured Article Candidate and invite any comments on its review page. Thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

2 fringe articles need attention[edit]

Hunbatz Men real name Cesar Mena Toto. According to the article he started studying to become a Mayan shaman when he was one, links Mayan and English, "says ancient Maya thought suggested their ancestors came from space." although Atlantis and Lemuria come in somewhere as well. There's more just as loony. And related to this, Daykeeper. Dougweller (talk) 20:51, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

The article seems just to be summarising his opinions, or promoting his books, looks like drivel from beginning to end. Simon Burchell (talk) 21:01, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Other fringe stuff[edit]

Since I brought Humnbatz Men up (I still find no critical material other than 2 brief one line mentions of his activities, and John Hoopes knows of none and is busy) new editor ‎Manuel chuenquitze (talk · contribs) has turned up, also editing logged out as 165.234.104.5 (talk · contribs) and has been pushing Men and adding other fringe material to various 2012 and Mayan related articles. As well as some other weird stuff, why add Ometeotl to Chosen people? Eyes would be useful. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 06:34, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I've taken Hunbatz Men to AfD... Simon Burchell (talk) 09:52, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Removing Jacobs from WikiProject Mesoamerica Citations[edit]

WP:MESO/CITEJ lists five self-published articles about Mesoamerican/Paleoamerican topics on jqjacobs.net by James Q. Jacobs, an adjunct professor with a BA in Anthropology who teaches introductory computer classes at Mesa Community College and Central Arizona College. He coauthored two microbiology articles on hallucinogenic mushrooms in reputable peer-reviewed journals (here and here). I've found no other independently published works. A minor dispute arose in Maya calendar, as I tried removing a citation to one of his self-published works based on the rules of WP:USERGENERATED and WP:SPS. Excerpt from [[WP:USERGENERATED]:

“Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable. ... Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications.”

Another editor disputed removing the citation because (1) Jacobs' article is included in WP:MESO/CITEJ, and (2) other reliable sources have cited his articles (1 2 3 books from academic authors or publishers are given as examples).

The articles themselves are well-written, and I'm not disputing their content. However, Wikipedia's guidelines seem opposed to treating self-published sources like this as reliable sources, unless evidence emerges that Jacobs is a established expert, independently published in the field. Some 60 or 70 other Wikipedia articles also cite jqjacobs.net. I'm proposing to remove the five articles from WP:MESO/CITEJ. From what I can tell, no citation has been deleted from the Mesoamerica Citations in its eight year history, and the main editor abandoned the lists in 2010. I figured I'd ask here rather than WP:BEBOLD. Thoughts?

Agyle (talk) 13:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and made the change, with an edit summary pointing back here if anyone questions or contests the removal. Agyle (talk) 04:35, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 04/03[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Maritime Trade Among the Ancient Maya. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merger of 4th century in Guatemala category[edit]

Please see Categories for discussion where the 4th century in Guatemala category is being proposed for merging into a parent category. Any discussion welcome, Simon Burchell (talk) 11:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014[edit]

You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in the Americas may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! --Another Believer (Talk) 20:50, 5 June 2014 (UTC)