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WP:VG/GL#Non-English games[edit]

Archives of this discussion can be found at /VGGL and /VGGL2

WP:VG/GL mediation[edit]

Revision of last section[edit]

Currently the MOS has this for Using_Japanese_characters_on_the_English_Wikipedia:

Since the conversion of the English Wikipedia to to the use of the UTF-8 character encoding, most characters used around the world can be directly used in Wikipedia articles. Since these characters are supported by the UTF-8 standard they are no longer converted to character references, with the exception of a few characters reserved for usage in HTML, such as the ampersand.

Fonts for Japanese are standard for most modern operating systems. Nonetheless, some users may not have the fonts needed to display kanji and kana; therefore Japanese fonts should normally be accompanied by Latin transliterations (rōmaji).

IMO the underlined part about character references is getting to be ancient history, so I don't see much need to explain that anymore. Also, in the second paragraph, the problem now is less that that readers can't see Japanese characters and more that they don't know what they mean or how to pronounce them. So I'd like to propose a rewrite as follows.

Since the conversion of the English Wikipedia to UTF-8 character encoding, most characters used around the world can be used directly in Wikipedia articles. That includes Japanese.

Fonts for Japanese are standard for most modern operating systems. Nonetheless, some users may not have the fonts needed to display kanji and kana, and many users will not know how to pronounce them. Therefore Japanese characters should normally be accompanied by Latin transliterations (rōmaji).

I considered adding that there should be an English translation in the vicinity, for the meaning. But I left that out as being too obvious. Appreciate any comments. --Margin1522 (talk) 04:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

In the absence of objections, I went ahead and made this change. --Margin1522 (talk) 06:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Linking to Japanese Wikipedia section is outdated[edit]

The Linking to Japanese Wikipedia section is outdated. It explains the old system of linking between Wikipedias with a list of links at the bottom of the source page. Now that is all handled by the new WikiData interlanguage system. I think this section needs to be updated to explain how to use the new system. We should also be linking to a different help page, the one at Help:Interlanguage links. Which itself is outdated. Is anyone familiar with using the new system? I have used it a couple of times after creating a page by translating an article from the Japanese Wikipedia. Perhaps we could explain it from that viewpoint. --Margin1522 (talk) 07:34, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the only important part of the entire section is the inline part. None of the interlinking stuff is even that relevant to the project any more, as it's all handled by Wikidata. How about this?
Linking to Japanese Wikipedia
Articles should be linked to their corresponding Japanese Wikipedia articles through Wikidata, which is displayed in the 'languages' bar to the left of the article. There is generally no need to use inline links to the equivalent Japanese Wikipedia article for any words in an article. If a word is important enough to warrant a link, it will have an article here, in which case a standard link is sufficient. --Prosperosity (talk) 08:04, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
That looks fine to me. It would be nice to be able to link to a clear, simple explanation of how to use the Wikidata system to add languages to the languages bar. But I guess it doesn't exist yet. The article I mentioned is way too complicated for this page. I would support replacing the current section with what you have there. --Margin1522 (talk) 08:37, 24 September 2014 (UTC)