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Pertinence and encyclopedic nature: Non-Lead Photographs[edit]

Is it possible to get more clarification on what are the best/most appropriate images for photographs other than lead? For example, there's a mini edit war over on Petro Poroshenko's page over an image of him at a fairly important meeting in which you can only see his head. There appear to be quality issues as well, but it got me wondering - would a photograph of a person that doesn't show the person well be appropriate if it showed an event important to their life? Or does the policy cited in the Gloria Steinem example apply to the entire article, not just the lead? My instincts tell me that once you have a few good pictures of the biography subject, documenting events in that person's life may help the article if they do fit the other criteria for inclusion.

What kind of guideline should we be using when figuring out how many pictures to include in an article? It's clear that "You should always be watchful not to overwhelm an article with images by adding more just because you can," but is there an amount of picture-less text at which we should strive to be breaking up the text with images? I don't know if I am missing somewhere else these questions are answered, but I thought a little more explanation might make this section a bit more flushed out for those of us clueless as to what style is best. -Lciaccio (talk) 16:07, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Splitting sentences[edit]

Having just noticed edits to Forth Bridge and Tay Rail Bridge, both of which placed an image into the middle of a paragraph (in one case, in the middle of a sentence), I find that this page doesn't have any guidance against doing this. If the image has either |thumb or |frame, or any of the location options, it causes the paragraph to be terminated and a new paragraph started after the image, which interrupts the text flow, and that has accessibility issues. I've fixed the two pages, but I think that we need a guideline about this. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I've added a couple of sentences as an introduction for MOS:IMAGELOCATION, guiding editors not to attempt to place images inside paragraphs. The problem of having the alt text appearing inside a block of text potentially applies to screen readers, text-only browsers and anyone who has turned off images in their browser (perhaps on a low-bandwidth connection), so I've tried to summarise those cases concisely.
Feel free to amend, revert, or otherwise improve my effort. --RexxS (talk) 12:48, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Just confirming that this would be very confusing for screen reader users like myself, as it would completely and utterly break up the flow of the sentence or paragraph for us if an image was placed in the middle of it. Graham87 15:07, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

BLP Lead Image Guidelines?[edit]

Are there any guidelines about what images would be best to use in infoboxes or leads of BLPs? I typically see portrait photos, but when someone changes an image, I'd love to have a policy/guideline to point to. For example, I reverted this edit because the previous image was a well-lit, high quality, neutral POV, fairly recent portrait shot (which seems ideal to me) and the new image was good quality, but the subject occupied much less of the frame and was a little less neutral POV. Anyway, I think it would be useful to enumerate some "best practices" for lead images if it hasn't been done already. If it hasn't been done, I'll gladly start a new discussion about adding such. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Anyone? I'll take silence as an okay to add my own guidelines as a bold edit. Wanted to start discussion before that though. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I see no reason to expand on WP:LEADIMAGE. DrKiernan (talk) 07:32, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Image captions and full stops/periods[edit]

When should an image caption end in a full stop/period? I notice that today's FA does both, so I was wondering what the rule was? It Is Me Here t / c 10:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

If the caption forms a complete sentence, then it should end in a stop. If it's not a sentence, then it shouldn't. DrKiernan (talk) 11:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Forms a sentence = contains a verb? It Is Me Here t / c 11:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Not necessarily; "Northwest exposure showing construction of the Pentagon" contains a verb but isn't a sentence because the verb is nonfinite. DrKiernan (talk) 12:56, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@It Is Me Here: See MOS:CAPTION. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Punctuation in captions is covered in depth here: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Captions#Formatting_and_punctuation Sudopeople (talk) 18:13, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Use of famous people or paintings in ledes of weakly related subjects[edit]

Have noticed a couple of these recently - Laughter opens with a photo of the actress Goldie Hawn laughing, and Face has a picture of the Mona Lisa. Is this an unnecessary distraction to the reader, when other images are available and a picture of an anonymous woman laughing would put more focus on the laugh (which is the article subject) and less on the person doing it (which is irrelevant to the article)? It seems like this might fall under the "allows readers to quickly assess if they have arrived at the right page" of WP:LEADIMAGE, but I'm not sure. --McGeddon (talk) 09:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)