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Italian Albums Chart[edit]

In the few days, i re-examined the criteria of the two Italian albums charts: FIMI and Musica e Dischi. I discovered that at least until the early 2009, Musica e Dischi covered more point of sales than FIMI.

I think that at least until early/mid 2009 we would include it in the table of the reliable charts (for the albums).

I don't know for the singles, i know that's used by MTV Italy and includes physical and digital singles, but physical singles sales are very poor and FIMI covers more digital stores than Musica e Dischi. Maybe before 2008 could be used because FIMI considered the Physical Chart the main singles chart and Musica e Dischi from 2006 used also the download in its single chart. At the moment, i haven't got sufficient material for to affirm what of the both singles charts covers more point of sales before 2008. SJ (talk) 1:56, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that we should do a new source page like for Japan. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(record_charts)/sourcing_guide/Japan

SJ (talk) 0:15, 09 September 2010 (UTC)

Here we go again.[edit]

I thought this was talked out nearly 2 years ago at RFC Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Record charts/Archive 11#Request for comment: Use of succession boxes here. While no formal consensus was reached, editors want succession boxes for We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together. At least, as a result of that discussion, not one article for a song that reached number one on any of the three charts that this one has used succession boxes since Grenade (song) in early 2011 and as their general use has become somewhat obsolete through implicit consensus, so I don't know they want to start it up again on this one. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Procession or Precession??[edit]

Hi everyone! I have seen on several albums articles that the section for the number one charts table is either named "chart procession and succession" or "chart precession and succession"; is that normal? --Sofffie7 (talk) 19:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

As to whether they are good thing or not, there was an inconclusive RfC. As to spelling, "procession" is correct here; precession is something else. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 09:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
It's not a procession either. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:38, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Surely just the word "succession" would do, or another word for it? The song in the article succeeds the one before it and is succeeded by the one after it. –anemoneprojectors– 11:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't think either 'procession' or 'precession' are correct here. Neither means the one that came before. I agree that 'chart succession' is adequate on its own. --Michig (talk) 11:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Of course, they shouldn't even be added into newer articles until a consensus can be reached, but they are just succession boxes, so there is no need for any type of header title at all. Succession is for political office and the like. No one refers to the order in which albums reached number one on a particular chart as a succession in the real world. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


I see no need to add this to album (or song) articles. In this case, it's listing where an album peaked during the year after its actual peak. So if an album debuted at number one in December 2012 then falls to 3 in January 2013 and never goes higher than that again, we should list both positions. And if it's still on the chart in 2014, say at 99 and never higher, we should list that too? --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:30, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

The purpose of listing peaks in multiple years is to indicate multiple chart runs. It's useful for holiday albums and for albums that come back on the charts later (due to the artist's death or similar events). It should never be used to document multiple years of a single run.—Kww(talk) 19:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't believe that is the case here though. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Chart order[edit]

It says in the MOS that "charts should be arranged by country in alphabetical order" which makes perfect sense, but what about when the chart section also lists a number of genre charts such as the UK Rock Chart or Billboard's Alternative Songs chart in addition to the overall singles charts. Should it be listed as true alpha or by putting the primary country chart first? Obviously, one can get the same result by using the sort function in the second example, but I would think the main chart would be listed first for a specific country rather than being mixed in with a bunch of other subcharts. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:50, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I favour listing the main chart first, i.e. example 2. It is possible to manipulated the way these charts are sorted, so that even when forced to sort alphabetically, the main chart will be listed first (e.g. US Billboard Hot 100 can be sorted as USAAA). Adabow (talk) 19:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)