Wikipedia:MediaWiki messages

Please reorder 'Khmer' under the langauges dropdown/interwiki

I'm not sure if this is the best talk page to address this, but I think its close enough. The interwiki link for the Khmer/Cambodian wiki is currently set under P. Previously, last year, it was under K. I had thought it disappeared from the Language interwiki menu. I would like to know who reodered it and what for? I believe it should be reordered back among the Ks. Just as Vietnamese is set among the V even though it is prefixed with a word that starts with a T (tieng viet). And Bahasa Melayu, Bahasa Indonesia are set under M and I respectively. Formally, the Khmer language is called "pheasa khmer" (ភាសាខ្មែរ) with the first word translating to language (and there's an even more formal term; khemara pheasa, ខេមរភាសា which would be more 'encyclopedic'). But in normal speech, Cambodians refer to it simply as Khmer (ខ្មែរ). --Dara (talk) 05:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Anyone one listening? :( I really would like for this to be changed and I'm sure many other Khmer readers would. We can assume most Khmer readers will naturally look under K first not P for "Khmer". --Dara (talk) 06:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm a little late, but are you sure this is something that can be changed in the MediaWiki namespace? As far as I know, the ordering of interwikis depends only on the order the interwikis appear in the page. Ucucha (talk) 21:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

You're correct, the ordering of the links in the language box depends on the order of the interlanguage links in the wikitext. And it seems that the ordering is hardcoded into pywikipedia (unlike AWB, which reads the order from Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/IW), so the only way to change it for the majority of interwiki bots is to have the pywikipedia devs change it.

I don't see any sign that this is at all recent, though. The list at m:Interwiki sorting order seems to have had Khmer with the P's since December 2005, and pywikipedia seems to have had it that way since March 2006. Anomie⚔ 03:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

You got new messages

How about adding class="plainlinks" at the span tag and <br><small>Please think to check <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MyTalk&action=history">the history</a> for other messages.</small> to the end of the template. It would be very useful for anyone. The user may not know that there is another message if they do not look at the history. It happened to me that I don't get a reply since another person started another conversation before the user could reply. ~~Ebe123~~ (+) talk
Contribs 22:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Whilst this has happened to me, I don't think this is the answer. One of the strengths of the current notice is its simplicity. Most of the time, at least, you only have one new message. So most people would click on the first option anyway, and can check the history after if they are unsure. Few people, I think, would go for the "history" option straight from the notice. Saying "You have [n] new messages" would be better but that is a pipe dream, I think. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 12:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Looks like we're looking at MediaWiki:Youhavenewmessages? Very stable part of the interface, and with good reason. Like Grandiose mentioned, I don't anticipate many people would habitually click directly into the talk page's history. This might be a good idea for a user script, though. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Davidgothberg/newmessageshistory.js. :) Amalthea 21:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Heh, case in point! – Luna Santin (talk) 22:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Add temp password timeout info?

At MediaWiki talk:Passwordremindertext I've suggested appending "Unused temporary passwords automatically expire in 7 days." to the message text. Discuss there... --Lexein (talk) 08:21, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Mediawiki:Loginend & Mediawiki:Signupend

See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31293

Protocol (http or https) is now checked by PHP in Special:UserLogin. Mediawiki provide a different system message depending on the result :

	http	https
"login" form	Mediawiki:Loginend	Mediawiki:Loginend-https
"sign up" form	Mediawiki:Signupend	Mediawiki:Signupend-https

Dr Brains (talk) 21:28, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Jswarning

I am proposing new wording for this warning message at MediaWiki talk:Jswarning. PleaseStand ^(talk) 03:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

I couldn't actually find the page on Special:Allmessages, but since Autoreviewers are now called Autopatrolled, perhaps Special:Userrights should be updated to reflect this change? It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 18:37, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Group-autoreviewer-member has been set to "autopatrolled" for the default "en" language since June 2010, and similarly for MediaWiki:Group-autoreviewer. MediaWiki:Grouppage-autoreviewer wasn't changed until June 2011, probably since the default Project:Autoreviewers has redirected to the right place since June 2010. Are you using a non-standard language? Or else where are you seeing it's not on Special:Userrights? Anomie⚔ 19:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I completely forgot, I'm using en-GB. Which is the right page to alter in that case? It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 19:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Update: I've just tested, and this is also the case for the simple (Simple English) interface language. It might also be relevant to this that there is going to be a Canadian English interface released soon. It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 19:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Update 2: it also says "autoreviewer" for small languages which do not have their own translation yet (I've tried chr, dv, iu). It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 21:04, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

All that is to be expected. The translations for other languages are usually not updated, which is a much wider issue than just this instance. Anomie⚔ 21:55, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I see; but can we fix it (at least on this occasion)? It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 16:18, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Sure, just append "/en-gb" (or whichever other language code) to the default message name, for example MediaWiki:Group-autoreviewer-member/en-gb. Just remember that changes to the base version won't be automatically tracked in any matter, and most people won't even think to check. Anomie⚔ 22:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've changed en-gb and simple, but is there some sort of default or en-default or something language which is used to display not-yet-translated messages in e.g. Inuit and Church Slavonic? It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 13:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Not really. If a message exists in MediaWiki's message files for the language, that message will be used. IIRC if somehow the message doesn't exist in the appropriate message file then the "en" message will be used, but translatewiki is usually very effective. Anomie⚔ 23:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Logically, I cannot see how en can be the default since en says "autopatrolled" whereas iu doesn't:

en

en-gb

simple

iu

Also note that en has a block of text with instructions which does not appear in any other language interface (for me, at least) and hence which I didn't see when using en-gb.

It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 10:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. MediaWiki has most if not all of its default messages translated into all the supported languages. So if your language is set to "fr", you get the French version of the default message (unless the French version of the message has been locally customized, of course). The fallback to an "en" version would only happen if MediaWiki didn't have the message translated for "fr" at all, which is unlikely to happen with any common language. And for that matter, it seems to fall back to the default "en" message rather than the locally-customized "en" message anyway. So there really is no way to customize a message for all languages besides editing the MediaWiki-namespace page for each language. Anomie⚔ 17:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see. In that case that's about it; thanks for the help! It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 19:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Fancycaptcha-createaccount

I've been bold and reverted it back to the last version. There's been many more users complaining that they have been blocked for using their firm's name and no-one told them it wouldn't be OK. It's not fair to let users create names only to make one or two edits and then get blocked and presented with a {{uw-spamublock}}. The last one I read said he was not coming back - he didn't feel welcome, this surely is not the impression we should be giving out, although we cannot allow promotional user names, we need to tell the user before he creates one.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Just seen yet another blocked user - this one says Anyone can create a spurious name which I have not. I feel somewhat bullied here. I rest my case...  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request at MediaWiki talk:Clearyourcache

I think the system message about clearing ones browser cache to see changes made to .js pages could do with a rewrite for clarification. fredgandt 15:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposal at MediaWiki talk:Ipbreason-dropdown#Reinstate speedy deletion template removal reason

I have initiated a discussion about adding a reason to the drop down block reason list at the link in the section header. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 02:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

New edit counter?

See MediaWiki_talk:Sp-contributions-footer#New edit counter?. Any ideas for a replacement of X!/redsox93's inactive edit counter? Froztbyte (talk) 02:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed change to the file description page

I've proposed a minor change to MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here, on MediaWiki talk:Sharedupload-desc-here#Unlinking of Commons-logo.svg, and consensus in needed for the change. Basically, I would like see the left Commons logo on the file description page link either the file on Commons, or nothing. I've calculated that this would save me about 100 misclicks every year ;) seriously, I've clicked on that logo way too many times. jonkerz ♠talk 14:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Remembermypassword

^ FYI. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)