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Echo - selected open bugs and feature requests[edit]

Bugzilla list
quick links: Open Bugs and requests (all bugs)


Selected bugs, mentioned in current talkpages and current archive (4).
  1. bugzilla:52319 (ctrl/middle-click in flyout)
  2. bugzilla:48882 and bugzilla:50082 (Notifications received due to mentions in accidentally transcluded pages)
  3. bugzilla:53176 (Not getting notified for reverts if Preview or Show Changes is used)
  4. bugzilla:50829 (Echo notifications show [No page] instead of pagename if the page was deleted)
  5. #Problems (3) above. ("My notification count only goes down to 1, even after I look at all the revert notifications. This may only occur when I have more than one page of notifications." ... "'Only when' is probably correct. When there are less than 8 hits (red number), it resets to 0.")
  6. (Mobile editors are seeing, but can't use, the Thank links.) See archived thread.
  7. bugzilla:52510 (Echo and FlaggedRevs) - rejected Revisions part is patched. The approved Revisions code is abandoned in gerrit as it doesn't account for some important cases. Use the FlaggedRevs icon: FlaggedRevs-2.png ?
  8. bugzilla:54391 (Diff link in bundled message should show all diffs instead of just the last one)
  9. bugzilla:56739 (multiple signatures in a single save break Mention Notifications)
  10. bugzilla:56475 (The "You have new messages" link should go to a diff and/or subsection) Currently just a plain link to Usertalk. It Should link to either:
    • the first of unread messages
    • "changes since last viewed" (per old OBOD)
  11. bugzilla:56974 users without javascript are not getting a yellow banner, unless they turn on the "Display a floating alert when I have new talk page messages" gadget, which itself appears to be aesthetically broken (close icon overlapping with text. screenshot)
    Link to original discussion. That gadget doesn't work for me with JS disabled. Special:Gadgets says it uses JavaScript. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 00:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
  12. bugzilla:57152 (talkpage messages without a 4tilde signature, do not generate correct section links or summary) screenshot of the problem
Selected Feature requests
  1. bugzilla:52690 (Notification when user becomes auto-confirmed)
  2. bugzilla:49446 (Linking a username in an Edit-Summary should trigger a notification)
  3. bugzilla:43840 (Echo should support user subscriptions to feeds (for newsletters and publications such as The Wikipedia Signpost))
  4. bugzilla:53564 (IP addresses should link to Special:Contributions instead of userpage)
  5. bugzilla:44787 (Allow excluding pages from the Page Linked notifications)
  6. bugzilla:46692 (Dismissing/removing notifications - a way to remove items from the list) [1]
  7. (A new Notification that someone has emailed you using Special:EmailUser) [2] (A lot of people don't register with their primary email account, or don't check it frequently. Some have userpage notes warning against using email if the matter is urgent. It's more common than you might guess! Even specifically mentioned at mw:Flow Portal/Use cases#User talk namespace)
  8. (Use Different Icons for Talkpage messages and Mentions. (See list of current icons at mw:Echo/Feature requirements#Notification Categories). To give a better visual clue on the flyout (and archive) on what just happened. - Use an @ sign icon for Mentions?)
  9. (disable Page Linked notifications for Reverts. Eg. When someone rollsback a page-blanking vandal.) [3]
  10. At Special:Notifications, change the max-width (currently 600px) to something larger. 60em is suggested.
  11. A better solution for accidental reverts, that get self-reverted within moments. (/Archive_5#Revert_notification and #Revert reverts below.)
  12. bugzilla:56476 Granular icons, see Wikipedia_talk:Notifications/Archive_5#Granularity.


Other items[edit]

Inconsistencies between the links given in the Flyout and Special:Notifications and Email
  • Generally, many users are asking for consistency between what is linked in Flyout/Special/Email, and they prefer the additional links given in Special.
  • Additionally, the flyout is confusing, because the entire background is clickable, but there is no mousepointer-change or status-bar-hint for the destination. TMg explained it well here.
  • Related to bugzilla:47665 ( Echo notifications should have a larger clickable surface area) which has pertinent comments.
  • Update the Flyout/Special/Email documentation at mw:Echo/Feature requirements.
  • Also, there were a few complaints about the small size of the "View changes/View edit" and "[xx] [time] ago" text. Consider increasing it.


MediaWiki talk:Echo-blacklist
possibly someone should enact these 2 requests? or comment?
and more people should watchlist it.


What happens if someone turns off their Mention Notifications?


AfC bug



I'll nag Fabrice and the devs during the next few weeks, to look at this, and make bug tickets for things that don't already have one, and address the ones that do, and strike the ones that are fixed, and etc.

It's not complete, but I think it covers most of the important or multiple-requested items. Add or tweak items as needed, but try to keep it concise. I'm off into the last of sun now! and lunch... –Quiddity (talk) 23:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Bug: reporting a revert when it has been undone[edit]

I had a notification that someone reverted my edits but then they undid the revert.[4] Can this undoing of a revert be set to delete my notification? Is this already a bug tracked in Bugzilla? Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 11:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Biosthmors It's not currently possible, because Notifications get sent out via email as well as the site interface, and there's no way to retract an email. However there is a slight chance in the future, as bugzilla:69636 is requesting a "30 second undo window for Thanks" (so that we can dispense with the Confirmation-dialog), and once that is available in the Echo backend, it might be possible to apply the same thing to Reverts? (I'm not sure about that though. Have not confirmed with a developer). HTH, and sorry for the late reply. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 03:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Typos[edit]

Is there a magic button to click that produces the notification template? If not, could someone create one? I'm forever mistyping – {[U|Username}}, and variations on that theme. It's not only annoying; if we save the typo the ping doesn't work even if we go back to fix it. A button in the ref toolbar would be wonderful. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:52, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

That's probably easier to add to the CharInsert menus (the "Insert: – — ° ′ ″ ..." items under the edit window), and I've asked at MediaWiki_talk:Edittools#Individual_customization.3F. But if not, it is possible to add a button to the RefToolbar, but we'll have to find a javascript wrangler to do so. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 02:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
@Quiddity (WMF): Fwiw.... User:s can add there own toolbar of useful/repetitive "inserts" using the CharInsert gadget via one's common.js file. Once in place, there is no need to type anything - just highlight the target text and select the desired tags/templates from your customized menu of stuff.

For example; if you add the following to your common.js file....

/* CharInsert specific */
window.charinsertDontMove = false;
window.editToolsRecall = true;
window.charinsertCustom = { User: ' |  =  {\{+}}  [\[+|]]  —  Æ  æ  Œ  œ  <code><nowiki>+</nowiki></code>  {\{ping|+}}' };if(window.updateEditTools) window.updateEditTools();
... A new menu labeled "User" (highlighted for clarity above) containing your custom inserts will appear in the selectable menu of CharInsert (EditTools).

Note: as the core .js gadget currently stands (without a blank 'User' menu option), the cookie remembering the last time you used that menu gets "lost" upon the next edit session. Regardless, to resolve this we added the empty 'User:' menu label for all editors by default over on Wikisource in spite of the questions surely to come and, slowly but surely, people started asking "why is the User: section empty" --> "How can I customize the User: section" and viola; folks have been adding their own custom tools (User:) with little effort ever since.

Hope that made sense -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

@George Orwell III: Perfect, thank you!
@SlimVirgin: Would adding the links to the CharInsert menus, be sufficient? If so, copy this code to your common.js:
// Add custom Character Inserter entries, to the end of the first 2 groupings
window.charinsertCustom = { 
	"Insert": ' Mention: {\{u|+}}  {\{ping|+}}', 
	"Wiki markup": ' Mention: {\{u|+}}  {\{ping|+}}' 
};
and that will append the {{u}} and {{ping}} code to the indicated menus. (You can delete the 3rd or 4th line, if desired).
Note1: The "+" in those items, is where your cursor will appear after the text is inserted, or if you already have text highlighted when you click them then that text will be properly surrounded by the templates.
Note2: You can also remove or change the word "Mention:" - anything that is followed by a colon seems to get turned into a heading - Use_underscores_for_multi_word_headings: like so.
Note3: use a dot ( . ) for any spacing needed in such things as inline css class or id assignments. For example. -- the space needed between the words span and class in <span.class="plainlinks">+</span>
Note4: to include a single literal \ use four backslashes ( \\\\ ) (will appear as double-\ on menu display.) E.g. <math>\\\\scriptstyle{+}</math>.
Or, if you have that whole gadget disabled, we can figure out how to add a custom RefToolbar button... :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
George and Quiddity, thank you so much for this! I will try it out very soon and report back. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Just a note: The manner by which the gadget loads has been slightly changed, meaning the last line (if(window.updateEditTools) window.updateEditTools();) should no longer be needed. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 19:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I've removed it for clarity/simplicity. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
I added Note3 above so they aren't listed all over the place but signing here for "neatness" sake. -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Copy-cat addition of Note 4 (similar reasoning to above.) AuFCL (talk) 03:06, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── George Orwell III and Quiddity (WMF), I've just added this, and it works really well. Thank you! It will save a lot of fiddling around. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to developers and others who have made Notifications possible and keep it running smoothly[edit]

I have found myself on a work-related wikibreak the last few weeks. During my break the notifications feature has in one case made it possible for me to notice an AfD I'd contributed to had been put up for DRV and then relisted and in another case allowed me to see suggestions made by other editors with which I could assist. I'll confess that even when I'm on wikibreak I still check my watchlist most days, but because of this feature, I noticed important conversations which wouldn't otherwise be brought to my attention. My sincere appreciation to those who labor long for the benefit of users like myself. BusterD (talk) 00:49, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

@BusterD: I'll pass that along to the devs. Thanks. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 02:31, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Interference between protection and revert[edit]

I do not see it reported anywhere, so that it might be useful. I have just semiprotected an article (Catherine Deveny), apparently not at the best version, and then another user reverted to one of the previous versions. I did not have any edits to the article except for the protection but I still got an echo notification that my edit (which was the protection) was reverted. Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: I think this is related to Twinkle, which was used in the revert. I've asked at Wikipedia talk:Twinkle#Restore this version - possible glitch after doing some testing. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 03:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into it.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:00, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Notifications for pages I don't watch[edit]

I repeatedly get notifications for when a page is linked to that is no longer on my watchlist. How can I alter which pages it notifies me about? Rcsprinter123 (jive) @ 11:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

@Rcsprinter123: It's not controlled by watchlist; it's by which pages you created, and it's all-or-nothing (the setting is Preferences → Notifications → Notify me about these events → Page link). More specific selection of which pages can trigger a notification is, I believe, covered by bugzilla:44787. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:45, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: OK, and thanks for the quick reply. Rcsprinter123 (jive) @ 12:48, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Blocked users pinging[edit]

As part of management of disruptive users, administrators sometimes block users using the interface described at mw:Help:Blocking users. Normally, the blocked user is allowed to edit their talk page for discussion and requesting unblocking, but otherwise cannot interfere with editors elsewhere on the encyclopedia. The notification mechanism provides a "loophole" such that a blocked user can ping users who otherwise may wish to disengage with them. Is there, or can there be, a mechanism to disable the sending of notifications by a blocked user? NE Ent 10:36, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Removal of talk page access?--Ymblanter (talk) 17:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I think that's the easiest/clearest option, if someone is actually abusing the feature.
If the blocked-user was prevented from pinging anyone, it would interfere with the now-normal communication mechanism, eg if they were trying to reply to someone who was having a discussion with them on their talkpage. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
That's not the way it works. You post a message on someone's talkpage, you watchlist it. And sure, removing talk page access "solves" the problem but it interferes with the ability of other editors with better rapport with the blocked user engaging in a positive manner. NE Ent 21:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, that's not always the way it works, because not everyone follows the same best-practices (or even agrees on what universal best-practices are). E.g. all the people who have "Ping me if you reply" in their signatures, or the people who have long instructions at the top of their own usertalkpages explaining where they'd prefer that someone place any replies. (I won't single out any other examples, but my own volunteer account talkpage has had a description about my own habits, for many years). I know a few long-term highly-active-editors who don't use a watchlist at all, and rely upon their (incredible) memories to check their ongoing discussions/projects/tasks. Humans are notoriously inconsistent! (both collectively, and individually). So it goes. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
  • NE, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what you are asking for is another checkbox in the Special:Block interface that allows an admin to disable the blocked user's ability to use mentions while blocked. This shouldn't be overly complicated to complete from a technical standpoint if there is community support for such a feature. Do you have specific use cases to back-up a claim of a need for such a feature? — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 18:39, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility_and_attacking_messages_from_User:Prisonermonkeys NE Ent 21:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
  • That use case makes an interesting argument for per user blacklists (mentioned in bugzilla:47946 and maybe bugzilla:50628) and since bugzilla:47946 is closed as RESO-FIX, maybe Special:MyPage/Echo-blacklist will work. However, I don't see abuse of the feature in this case as no-one has officially asked this user not to ping them and the user haven't been going crazy just pinging people in order to annoy them (even if the recipient was annoyed as a result). The user seems to be using it appropriately as a way to gain another editor's attention in order to reply or make a comment to that user. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 00:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Notification didn't work for {{u}}[edit]

Someone recently used {{u}} with my user name and I didn't get any notification.[5] --Bob K31416 (talk) 15:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Bob K31416 : Hmm, I can't see anything problematic in there. Filed as phab:T78424. Thanks for the report.
(I'll send a test ping here, too. Did you get this one?) -- Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Quiddity (WMF), Your use of {{u|Bob K31416}} worked. I got the notification. So I rechecked my notifications list and the notification I thought I didn't receive was actually there. A possible way I went wrong was that there was another pending notification on my list, i.e. the number in the little red background square was "2". I'm not sure how this number works, but if it goes to "0" with a gray background when someone just views the list without going to all the new diffs, here's what might have happened. I might have checked the other notification first, and then when I got back to the list, the number was "0" so I thought I didn't have any more notifications to look at. -Bob K31416 (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
FWIW, I have seen this as well recently. Been pinged, no notification, only noticed because I was watching the associated talk page. Resolute 01:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Me too, just now with this. Is the colon after the template throwing it off? --NeilN talk to me 16:34, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
NeilN you didn't get your ping because of Phabricator:T76961 because -revi doesn't have a link directly to their user page in their signature. Revi, you might want to read the newly added collapsed warnings on WP:SIGLINK. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 17:12, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
@Bob K31416: The act of clicking the red counter resets it to zero and grey regardless of what you then do. It's always done that AFAIK. More subtly, you may have noticed that if it says e.g. "2" on red, when you click on it, the top two entries in the drop-down have a white background, the others are grey. If you exit and go back in, the top two have also become grey - as far as the notifications system is concerned, you've acted on them all. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Redrose64, I didn't notice the changing white and grey backgrounds in the notifications list before. I'll look for that next time. --Bob K31416 (talk) 15:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Update: I received 2 new notices, as indicated by the red counter, and went to my list. I saw the white background for the two messages, but it was very subtle and I wouldn't have noticed it if you hadn't mentioned it to me. Seems like this needs to be improved. --Bob K31416 (talk) 04:57, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I and others have complained for a while that we need to bring back the "Orange Bar of "Doom". I've seen many editors not notice Echo and fail to respond to conversations. But like everything else WMF implements, it's here to stay whether you like it or not. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:04, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
The OBOD isn't related to Mention Notifications, it only ever triggered for new edits on our own usertalkpage. There's a gadget ("Display a floating alert when I have new talk page messages") for anyone that wants the old design back. Are you proposing that the OBOD/Orange New message indicator should appear for more Notification types? --Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I've filed the background contrast issue as phab:T78594. Thanks. --Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Good writeup of phab:T78594. --Bob K31416 (talk) 03:59, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Umm, I read the link, but I do not wish to add userpage link. So I will just avoid pinging until the bug is fixed.  Revi 12:19, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
FYI, I too have been pinged without receiving a notification. Coincidently I have received a message on my talk page since my previous visit as well. However there only was a red 1, instead of the 2 it should have been. I have been well aware of the background difference and I had only one new notification. In my case the pinging user is blocked from editing. Might that have affected it? Another user that was pinged in that same conversation has stated not to have received the notification either. Tvx1 (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
@Tvx1: it would help us if you told us the location of the post that failed to notify you. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:51, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
It is here. Your ping worked fine by the way. Tvx1 (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Assuming that you refer to this post, I believe that when section headings are added at the same time, the notification fails. I don't know why that should be so. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:27, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
That's the post I'm referring to. But the user used another ping in a subsequent post and that one didn't work either. Tvx1 (talk) 22:42, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
The user pinged me again tonight and again I didn't receive any notification. Tvx1 (talk) 23:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
As before, a section heading was added in the same post. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:11, 19 December 2014 (UTC)