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GA review[edit]

The Sword of Shannara, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N2e (talkcontribs) 20:25, 3 February 2014‎ (UTC)

Organize a Light Novel task force?[edit]

Hi. I'm wondering if its possible to organize yet another task force or a WikiProject to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to light novels, as I did with WP:GHIBLI. The task force will be a descendant of WP:ANIME and WP:NOVEL and WP:JAPAN. I've started it in my sandbox. Thoughts or objections? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

As a follow-up, I've already started the project here. If anyone wants to help with the project, please do so. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:38, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Novel and other keyword articles[edit]

Hours ago one anonymous visitor remarked at length concerning 'novel' and 'romance'; novel as content genre and as form genre; etc (my crude summary). See Talk:Novel#Inconsistency in use of term "genre".

I replied at length but in general regarding terms such as 'children's writer' and many others as well as 'novel' that appear routinely, and commonly linked, in the lead sections and infoboxes of writer and book articles. In closing, I asked:

"For instance, should this page [ novel ] include a section, or a lead observation, or nothing at all that describes or explains how EN.Wikipedia --especially its WikiProject WP:NOVELS, i suppose in this case-- uses the terms novel and novelist in descriptions and labels?
"Let me extend these remarks to WP:CATegories, the subcats of Category:Novels in this case. If articles are cat under {Novels} in a broad sense, should this page somehow feature that broad sense?"

--P64 (talk) 18:19, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't fully understand the original criticism, but Is the root problem here a confusion between the term romance as defined, say by Walter Scott, or more recently by Margaret Anne Doody,[1] and a recent genre fiction usage for a "love story" (see lede: Romance, as defined here, should not be confused with the genre fiction love romance or romance novel. Other European languages do not distinguish between romance and novel: "a novel is le roman, der Roman, il romanzo."[2]). See also my comments on the Novel Talk page, re the problem with this article.Rwood128 (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps we aren't really discussing two distinct types of romance and that the only real difference between say Wuthering Heights and a genre fiction romance is that WH is better written and has better developed characters.

Also maybe the Wuthering Heights type of romance needs to be better defined as a sub-genre of the novel, from which the different kinds of genre fiction romance have subsequently evolved --and not just the love romance. At the moment romance, as defined by Scott and Doody, may be treated in the Novel article too much as a parallel genre and this has led to the confusion voiced recently? I'd suggest that while a romance is always also a novel, a novel isn't always a romance. Rwood128 (talk) 21:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ "The True Story of the Novel", The True Story of the Novel. New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press, 1996, rept. 1997)
  2. ^ Doody (1996), p. 15.

WikiProject X is live![edit]

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Category definition[edit]

The instructions for Category:Child characters in literature (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) state "As with real children, the term refers to characters who are understood to be biologically and/or chronologically under age 21 during the course of a film in which they are depicted." The age of 20 is far beyond the age of childhood for science and numerous religions. The sourced info in our article child states "is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty" and the sourced info in the puberty article gives the ages of 10-11 for girls and 11-12 for boys. I propose that we change the wording in the instructions to give the age of 12 as the cutoff for this category. Now if we want to use 13 or even 14 to error on the side of caution that would be okay but IMO this cat should not be in articles where the young characters are older than 14. Any and all input on this will be appreciated. When a consensus is reached we should add the new instructions to the cat page and to any appropriate MOS's. I am cross posting this at the books project as well. If there is a better place to centralize this discussion let me know and I will move it there. MarnetteD|Talk 20:15, 26 January 2015 (UTC)