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TAFI Automated Checklist
Item This week Next week Week after
1. Weekly page created Yes Yes Yes
2. Article specified Yes Yes Yes
3. Picture/file chosen Yes Yes Yes
4. Caption written Yes Yes Yes
It is currently week 22 of 2015. Purge this page to refresh the checklist.

Choose the TAFI article for Week 21 of 2015[edit]

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35 153 250 205 14 172 199 62 226 211

Articles (week 21)

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications (week 21)

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@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 00:34, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, AmaryllisGardener, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 00:34, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments (week 21)

Results (week 21)[edit]

Results for week 21. North America1000 04:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Article Points Action
Venice International Film Festival 6 Retained in Holding area
History of pharmacy 5 Retained in Holding area
History of East Asia 11 Retained in Holding area
Human geography 4 Retained in Holding area
Fashion accessory 11 Retained in Holding area
Polar ice cap 18 Scheduled
Regalia 3 Archived
Sport 7 Retained in Holding area
Hoax 13 Retained in Holding area
Deep frying 18 Scheduled

New project proposals[edit]

  • Proposal – We presently have 308 entries in the Holding area, which equates to a backlog of over five years of articles under the present system of scheduling only one article per week (when not including entries that are archived). I propose that we boldly begin to schedule the top five articles per week starting this week, which would reduce the backlog to approximately 1.18 years (again, when not including entries that are archived). By creating a pool of weekly articles, it's also hopeful that having a variety to choose from will appeal to a greater amount of editors. North America1000 00:54, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support as per North America's suggestion of the top five articles for each week. Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 01:04, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support as nominator. North America1000 01:06, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per nom - Sounds a great idea :) –Davey2010Talk 01:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. I'm slightly concerned that five may be too many as it might divide attention between the articles, perhaps three would still allow more focus to be give to particular articles while letting the project work through the backlog faster. Just my two cents. Winner 42 Talk to me! 01:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Epic Genius (talk) 01:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I am also concerned that five would be too many at once – the main purpose of TAFI should be to actually improve these articles, not just to get through the list in the holding area. I would support trying multiple articles each week to see what happens, but I think 3 would be a better number - Evad37 [talk] 01:44, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi Evad37 and Winner 42: I had actually considered three, but this would equate to a two year backlog (not counting archived entries). While I agree that article improvement is what it's all about, I feel that five per week can still accomplish this. Reasons include that people will naturally gravitate to articles they like, which will hopefully result in more overall article improvements, and that reducing the backlog will keep the project flowing more smoothly. North America1000 02:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Given the size of Wikipedia compared to the number of featured and good articles, there is always going to be a backlog of articles needing improvement, whether enumerated in our holding area or not. Having a large list to schedule from isn't really a problem (WP:NODEADLINE), but I am willing to see how having extra articles each week goes. I guess I just remember when we had 10 articles per week and some didn't really get many more edits than adding and removing the TAFI banner. But like I said, I would be willing to give it a try and see how it goes. - Evad37 [talk] 02:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Addendum: Since voting under the three-choice system has already begun, the shift to five as per the above would have to begin next week, with instructions that people indicate their top five choices. Statistically, the present three choices system isn't functional for a five-per-week voting process. North America1000 03:11, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Another idea (in addition to the above) – I haven't quite worked out the details, but the idea would be to focus the weekly !voting around nominations, perhaps a subset of 10 or so. The holding area would just be for holding selected articles, which could then be scheduled – perhaps randomly, or in order, or some combination (eg. 1 or 2 from the top of the list, plus the rest for that week via random selection). That would help sustain activity in the nominations area, and the project can be streamlined by only voting/commenting on articles just once, at the nomination stage, rather than again to progress them from the holding area. - Evad37 [talk] 02:19, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Evad37: This type of thing could be quite functional. Under this scenario, I would be for scheduling ten articles weekly, all of which would be done randomly. After that, they would be archived. Coordinating the weekly vote on the nomination page instead of on this talk page would be rather easy to perform. I also like the notion of articles being voted upon once, rather than recurringly for those that are archived. North America1000 02:28, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • The above (ten per week) would also reduce the present backlog in the holding area to 6 months, and would shift the project's focus to the nominations page. More focus on the nom page would be beneficial to keep the project moving along, in my opinion. North America1000 02:37, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I think it would be better to start off with 5 per week, which was generally supported above, and then review it after six to eight weeks to see whether we should it should increase, decrease, or stay the same - Evad37 [talk] 02:43, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Pinging editors who commented above: @WordSeventeen, Davey2010, Winner 42, and Epicgenius: - Evad37 [talk] 09:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Support - Five. . Buster Seven Talk 09:57, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Another idea - maybe every month we do a talk page proposal of which articles to remove from the Holding Area due to the fact that either they are already developed enough, or others, like the other talk page proposal in the talk page archive. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:48, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Promoting TAFI[edit]

I think our project is definitely gaining momentum. Here are two ideas to help promote our WikiProject:

1) We haven't had an article with The Signpost in a long time. Maybe we can ask them to write about us again?

2) We can put tiny subst templates in our signatures that link to our project page, the current article for improvement, or a page that redirects to the current article for improvement. My bad; it turns out you can't put templates in your signature.

3) Should we work with other WikiProjects that deal with new editors and encourage new editors to participate in TAFI?

Let me know what you think! Bananasoldier (talk) 21:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I think that attempting to get new editors to learn about TAFI could positively benefit the project. It would help out users who want a more structured Wikipedia experience by allowing them to learn to work collaboratively with other editors. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:50, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

4) Also, we can work hard to earn more "collaborative DYKs" and link to TAFI on the DYK display (in parenthesis after the hook) like we did with the other DYKs we earned. I think that helped us gain attention because more people click on links on the front page in general (of course) and because editors probably wondered why the DYK hook had a little "T-A-F-I" link. Because the front page of Wikipedia is read by both editors and visitors (readers), we'll want to add on our project page instructions on how to edit Wikipedia/an explanation of what TAFI is from an outsider (newcomer) perspective. To accommodate for newcomers, we should also strive for a Teahouse standard of hospitality & helpfulness. --Bananasoldier (talk) 04:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Right now I think our main page is pretty close to meeting these goals of catering to newbies. However, Good Article and Featured Article are still jargon terms, and a reexplanation would be necessary for newbies. Also we'd have to emphasize the "being bold" and "that's right; you too can edit Wikipedia!" because we have to assume newcomers aren't aware of the fact that Wikipedia is built by a community of people. --Bananasoldier (talk) 04:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
These sound like good ideas, if someone is willing to do the hard work to make them work. We have tried these sort of things in the past; I think the main reason we've stopped or slowed down is the WP:NOTCOMPULSORY nature of any work on wikipedia. Ages ago we used to come up with social media messages that the WMF posted for us, to encourage their readers to edit the TAFI articles – but that was back when we were on the main page. - Evad37 [talk] 04:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
We could put a link to TAFI in the Main Page of the "...Recently improved content" div. Possibly, beside the "Nominate an article", put in "Improve an article" or some other good name. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 22:00, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 22 of 2015[edit]

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279 83 203 302 89 107 115 218 158 82

Articles

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 04:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, AmaryllisGardener, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 04:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments (week 22)

Results (week 22)[edit]

Article Points Action
Car wash 28 Scheduled
Food photography 20 (tie) Scheduled
Personality 20 (tie) Scheduled
Types of chocolate 37 Scheduled
Visual editor 26 Scheduled
Jumbotron 9 Retained in Holding area
Kebab 12 Retained in Holding area
Career 2 Archived
Sports equipment 12 Retained in Holding area
Greater Antilles 25 Scheduled

Next week[edit]

So, for next week, should we switch over to voting on nominated articles instead of holding area articles? If so, we should stop the archiving of nominations, adjust the instructions there accordingly, and nominate some more articles. - Evad37 [talk] 04:58, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe not at this time. The nominations page is quite sparse, with only six valid entries at this time (not including unapproved ones still on the list). It may be better to continue voting here for five a week based upon the holding area list. We're receiving nice input with the current system, but interest may wane if there are only six entries, and potentially even less, for people to choose from. North America1000 08:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 23 of 2015[edit]

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Articles

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications

  • Pinging

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 09:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, AmaryllisGardener, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 09:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments

  • I have updated {{TAFI vote five choices}} to state "Listings with 5 points or fewer are archived", which makes sense since we're now voting for five entries. This seems to be statistically sound, but I could be incorrect. North America1000 09:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Results (week 23)[edit]

Article Points Action
Buggy (automobile) 17 Scheduled
Jack-o'-lantern 5 Archived
Pepperoni 17 Scheduled
Bachelor of Social Science 1 Archived
Australian Aboriginal sacred sites 17 Scheduled
Chalk 13 Remains in holding area
Historic house 7 Remains in holding area
Firefighting 15 Remains in holding area
Paparazzi 22 Scheduled
Atmosphere 18 Scheduled

Update[edit]

@Evad37 and Northamerica1000: Have you updated the archive to show the changes to the way for schedule archival? This is pretty high priority too. (But highest priority of all is the improvement of aritcles) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 09:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:36, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, AmaryllisGardener, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:36, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Please just answer how to change how to change the schedule archival. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

  • The coding appears to have been last updated on 5 December 2014 (link.) Is this query about the new five-per-week (articles) format? North America1000 06:50, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
    • I had made an attempt. Please help me fix whatever attempts I did. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

TAFI 5 per week[edit]

@Northamerica1000: I was wondering how the TAFI 5 per week will work regarding scheduling. Will we host all five articles for the duration of one week, or will we host one article a day for each week day (Mon-Fri)? Thanks, --Bananasoldier (talk) 15:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I figured it would be all five at a time for the entire week, as in that they're all posted at once. This allows people time to get to articles that may interest them. North America1000 21:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • This weeks talk page notification is showing a bunch of empty links. --NickPenguin(contribs) 01:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Bit confused, I saw two pictures on {{TAFI weekly selections notice}}, so I guessed the multiple articles began, so I went to {{TAFI five weekly selections notice}} and confirmed the multiple selections and proceeded to use it for the message this week. However clearly there are 3 empty red links.... ///EuroCarGT 03:48, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
EuroCarGT Just a heads up that Week 22 will have six entries. All you have to do is modify the template before sending, adding in the coding for the sixth entry, then send as a substitution. Wait a day or so (in the event mailing delays occur), then revert back to the five entry format. North America1000 09:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, got it. Thanks for informing me. ///EuroCarGT 21:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 24 of 2015[edit]

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Articles

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications

Pinging

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 09:10, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, AmaryllisGardener, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 09:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Messaging – Users on the Notifications list have been messaged about this week's vote. North America1000 09:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments

  • Yes, the tally is done manually. It actually isn't that difficult, but takes a few minutes to perform. North America1000 10:25, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Results (week 24)[edit]

Article Points Action
Sport 22 Scheduled
Venice International Film Festival 8 Remains in holding area
Global cuisine 22 Scheduled
Ballet 8 Remains in holding area
Caramel 42 Scheduled
Nature reserve 12 Remains in holding area
Rural area 8 Remains in holding area
Arctic 31 Scheduled
Candy apple 20 Scheduled
Social change 8 Remains in holding area

North America1000 06:03, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Editing the Accomplishments Table[edit]

Qwertyxp2000 suggested that I update the accomplishments table, which I've just done (I've done it a few times before). I don't have the time to do it all the time. However, although editing the table looks intimidating, it's really just a matter of filling in blank fields. The current setup uses fairly descriptive field names and you can find the information in a few places:

  • Revision history: Your first stop, it's pretty easy to spot the beginning and end of the TAFI period.
    • Comparing these two revisions gives you the amount of edits and unique editors.
    • Go back to the revision history and tally up Reverts, IP and bot edits.
    • check the edits before the start and end of TAFI and you have the beginning and ending size information.
  • Old revisions of the article: You access them from the revision history by clicking on the date for the edit you are interested in. Open the edit before Theo's little bot adds the TAFI tag. Copy the number that forms the last part of the URL. This goes in the "oldid" field of the table. Then do the same for the last edit before a user removes the TAFI tag at the end of the week. This one goes in the "newid" field. You can also use the dyk tool to get the prose count. (More on that in a minute)
  • Article talk page: you can get the class of the article at the start and end of the week with some detective work on the talk page's revision history.

"olddate" and "newdate" are entered manually.

The link below the bottom of the table contains the exact details if you are lost. Wikipedia:Today's_articles_for_improvement/Accomplishments/row

Prose counts: The ones I did at the end of last year were done by copying the main body into MS word and manually stripping tables, titles, etc. however the Did you know word counter is much much better. It adds a link to your left hand toolbar that provides an instant character count. You have to install it by adding a line of code to a special page that is easily found by following a link on the DYKcheck page.

Making a week on the table breaks down naturally into three different stages: adding a new line with article and week; Adding edit numbers, ID numbers of old pages and prose/ size counts; and adding the class and date information. I think that it need not be onerous if multiple editors check it as part of their routine. Some parts can be added before the week has ended, as Ive done with the current articles. TBP25 (talk) 11:19, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@TBP25: Okay, and so copy all main body prose, all of the table contents, and all of the titles within the article? Then find out the amount of bytes? Is this how you would find out the amount of prose bytes? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Template only shows 1 big link[edit]

Hi guys! If you take a look at this template, it only shows "Deep frying" as a big link, and it's missing "Polar ice cap". How can we fix this to accommodate for multiple links? Thanks, --Bananasoldier (talk) 01:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. North America1000 10:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Deep frying to GA[edit]

Hi TAFI! Thanks to everyone who has participated in improving Deep frying so far. Winner 42 and I have been talking about the possibility of TAFI bringing Deep frying to GA status. We still have some work to do, such as summarizing deep fried dishes from around the world. I just wanted to say please feel free to jump in and help this goal become a reality! Face-smile.svg --Bananasoldier (talk) 04:03, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Why does no one use the WP:TAFIFC? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:38, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
By the way, I helped by giving hope for expansion of what foods could be fried. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for that, @Qwertyxp2000:! I've also gone ahead with your advice and added Deep frying to Further collab now that its week is over. --Bananasoldier (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


Choose the TAFI article for Week 25 of 2015[edit]

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Articles[edit]

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area.

Notifications[edit]

  • Pinging

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 06:38, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, AmaryllisGardener, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 06:38, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments[edit]

  • Hey! Double nominations! Why is there two of the same article?! Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Copy/paste typo occurred. This has been Fixed. North America1000 06:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)