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Change to Template:Uw-autobiography[edit]

I'm wondering if Template:Uw-autobiography needs a bit of revision. A lot of times I see new users create an article about themselves, totally oblivious to WP:NOTWEBHOST. The current warning mentions not creating an article about themselves, but makes no mention of userpages, where they can write (a little bit) about themselves. If we put some mention of userpages in the message, it could turn a common newbie blunder into an opportunity to retain and educate a new user. Comments/thoughts? --Drm310 (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that this may lead users to use their use page as a social networking page or personal webhost, when the user page is specifically for information about your your Wikimedia-related activities and personal information that impacts your editing (conflicts of interest, languages known, geographic location, topics of interest, etc). While there is an allowance for a very limited disclosure of unrelated personal information, a user that just tried posting their CV as a new Wikipedia page is not likely to exercise proper restraint on a user page. --Ahecht (TALK
) 19:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
They do need to be cautioned that user pages may still be deleted under WP:CSD#U5. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, trust me, I know how userpages can be abused! My CSD log is full of U5 entries and I've left tons of notices about it, to the point of creating a preformatted message because I needed it so often. Yet, I can't help but wonder how many of those individuals did not have malicious intent, felt dejected and quit, never to return. Some could have redeemed themselves and become positive contributors with further guidance, including the rules about proper userpage usage. --Drm310 (talk) 20:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Missing space between sentences for Template:Uw-editsummary[edit]

The template Template:Uw-editsummary is not putting a space between sentences when an article name parameter is provided. For example, {{uw-editsummary|Article}} produces "...does not have an edit summary.Please be sure..." (with no space before "Please"). The same thing happens regardless of whether or not additional text is provided, as in {{uw-editsummary|Article|Additional text}}, which produces "... does not have an edit summary.Additional text ..." (with no space before "Additional text"). I just tried to fix it, but my attempt seemed to fail, so I self-reverted it. I also see that someone else appears to have recently tried to fix the same problem, but the problem persists. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

John of Reading seems to have just fixed the problem, with this edit. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
@BarrelProof: It's a feature of parser functions that leading and trailing spaces are stripped - that is, {{#if: x | y | z }} is exactly the same as {{#if:x|y|z}}. So if you need a trailing space, you either need to hide it with something like <nowiki /> or encode it, as John of Reading did using &#32; --Redrose64 (talk) 22:28, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Shortcut templates[edit]


I would like to propose new shortcut templates for {{uw-unsourced}}...

{{uw-u}} {{uw-u1}} {{uw-u2}} {{uw-u3}} {{uw-u4}}

This is in line with similar shortcuts for the {{uw-vandalism}} series, starting with {{uw-v}}. Let me know what you think. Thanks. 2602:304:59B8:7839:8041:A51E:829A:728E (talk) 03:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't use the uw-v shortcut (since I just copy and paste from a notepad I keep open whenever editing), but uw-unsourced is probably the second most common warning template I use (after uw-vandalism), so I could see others benefitting it. Seconded, and thanks to 2602: for the suggestion. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Sounds fine. There is an {{uw-upload}} series but it's used far less. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
In the particular case you've mentioned, we can use {{uw-up}}, {{uw-up1}}, {{uw-up2}}, {{uw-up3}}, and {{uw-up4}}.
P.S. I forgot the im templates in both series. 2602:304:59B8:7839:F5C3:BC10:3995:7951 (talk) 17:22, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! in uw-vandalism1[edit]

I think "Thanks!" should be changed to a simple "Thank-you." Thanks! seems so phony and annoying. It's like walking into a store and some clerk halfway across the store who doesn't know you from Adam gives you a loud, phony and enthusiastic "Hi!'... not because she's actually happy to see you, but because her boss instructed her to greet everyone setting foot in the store with a loud, phony and enthusiastic "Hi!'. I don't want anyone thinking someone at Wikipedia has a dorky boss telling them to append their message with a loud, phony and enthusiastic "Thanks!" A simple and graceful "thank-you" will do. Thanks! – JBarta (talk) 15:25, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I think "Thanks much!" actually would be an even better replacement, honestly. "Thanks" by itself does sound a bit phony. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 03:12, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
"Thanks much" is a regionalism. "Thank you" is more universal. --Ahecht (TALK
) 18:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks much is a regionalism? Since when? o_O I'm not saying that it's not, but this is the first that I have heard of this. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 19:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
One quick google turned up [1] and [2], and while it probably isn't limited to Indiana and Pennsylvania, it is certainly limited to North America. --Ahecht (TALK
) 19:50, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Well, I do live in North America, but I am not in any of those areas that you mentioned. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 20:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
As a British person, I had never heard "thanks much" until I saw this thread. As to the matter at hand: the words "thank you" are used in level two templates and this is probably an intentional graduation. However I agree that "thanks" is too informal. It doesn't add any desirable qualities to the message and can come across as patronising or forced. I would make a bold edit to that effect were I confident enough that I wouldn't screw up the template code. BethNaught (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
It's not so much the "Thanks" as it is the exclamation point... "Thanks!". Even simply trimming it to a plain ordinary unenthusiastic "Thanks." would be an improvement. – JBarta (talk) 21:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I could be happy with "Thanks." or to a slightly greater degree "Thank-you." Just not "Thanks!" or "OMG! Thanks so much! Really! OMG!"


Is Wikidata now fully deployed on the English Wikipedia? If it is, then we should delete {{uw-wikidata-notyet}} or at least mark it as obsolete and remove it from {{Single_notice_links}}. —Psychonaut (talk) 08:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)